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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6084 posts, RR: 29
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4164 times:
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What is the oldest ship in regular commercial service? Passenger and freight?

I would think the St. Mary's Challenger would be one of the oldest ships, still making a living hauling cargo. She was launched in February of 1906 and has been working ever since. She was repowered in 1950, with Skinner Uniflow steam engines. The ship 551' x 51' with a draft of 31 feet. With a capacity of 10,250 tons.

 photo st_mary5-13-7wb_zpsdbd2cd7e.jpg

http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/fleet/stmaryschallenger.htm

I know there are a large number of museum ships that are as old or older, but not too many ships have been steaming for 107 years.


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User currently offlineScooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1201 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4084 times:
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Quoting falstaff (Thread starter):
but not too many ships have been steaming for 107 years.

As everybody understands, most of the old steamers are being well looked after,
meaning travelling under as ideal conditons as possible (not cutting through ice etc).

Here are two good candidates that I feel qualify, they both have published timetables:

Candidate #1
from Europe:
http://i41.tinypic.com/2chawrk.jpg

http://www.skibladner.no/engelsk/index.htm

Candidate #2
from Norh America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Segwun

I am happy to say that I have been travelling on both of them.

Scooter01



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6084 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4079 times:
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Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 1):
Candidate #2
from Norh America

That isn't all that far from Detroit. I will have to go up there one of these days and check that ship out.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5491 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

I'll have to throw our local lady in the ring, though according to Wiki she is the second oldest ship that sails regularly (which I think you are looking for something that is a regularly scheduled/in service ship):
Quote:
Star of India was built in 1863 at Ramsey in the Isle of Man as Euterpe, a full-rigged iron windjammer ship. After a full career sailing from Great Britain to India and New Zealand, she became a salmon hauler on the Alaska to California route. Retired in 1926, she was not restored until 1962–63 and is now a seaworthy museum ship home-ported at the Maritime Museum of San Diego in San Diego, California. She is the second oldest ship still sailing regularly and the oldest iron-hulled merchant ship still floating. The ship is both a California Historical Landmark and United States National Historic Landmark.

She does now sail almost every year, and is normally kept in "sailing condition".

The other one I will offer is the PS Waverley, the last seagoing passenger carrying paddle steamer in the world. Built in 1946 and now doing tourist service regularly on the Clyde in Scotland. There something hypnotic watching those giant arms driven and moving the paddles.


Tugg



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4014 times:

The oldest ship in NY harbor still operating would be the John Harvey built in 1931. It operates several charters during the summer season.

http://www.capecodfd.com/Pics%20Fireboats/FB%20FDNY%20Blessing%20%20Harvey%20%20Gov%20071611%20%20bw-3549.jpg



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User currently offlineKaphias From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Now they may not be as old as some of the other ships mentioned in this thread, but the Alaska State Ferries Malaspina

Matanuska

and Taku

each built in 1963 still serve in there original roles, carrying people, cars, and cargo around Alaska. They serve in some of the harshest weather conditions (I've ridden the Taku in 25-foot seas) with impressive reliability that surpasses nearly every other vessel in the fleet, all newer.



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User currently offlinedreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8824 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

I took a cruise on the Daphne in 1979 when she was with a tiny company called Costa. She was already old, built in the early 50s, but converted to a cruise ship in the 70s.

Here's how she looked as originally built



Here's what she looked like when I sailed on her. I have very fond memories of that cruise. A small ship, but a lot of character.



And she is still sailing today... This picture was taken just a few weeks ago in Crete.

http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=1264393



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 3):
Built in 1946 and now doing tourist service regularly on the Clyde in Scotland. There something hypnotic watching those giant arms driven and moving the paddles.

There are older ships on the Great Lakes.



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
There are older ships on the Great Lakes.

Well, I think Falstaff shows that with his contribution.

Note quite what he was asking about but there is a charter company that does lots of excursions on sailing ships around that old:

http://www.sailingshipadventures.com/index.cfm?event=ourFleet



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5491 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
There are older ships on the Great Lakes.

Oh yes, I very much realize that, there are many, many much older ship out there. It is the parsing that goes on, of what is what and what category does something fall into that makes for a fun discussion. The Waverley is considered the oldest seagoing PW steamship. There are older sailing ships, and non-steam powered ships, sea vs freshwater (the Great Lakes are freshwater but there are sea-ships that ply their waters), sail vs powered, steam vs whatever, paddle vs screw, lots of categories. And what is "regular"? Annually? Daily? Weekly?

And while I am fairly sure Falstaf is thinking a regularly scheduled (and probably weekly at least) ship of any type that carries paying passengers, to me the fun is talking about and presenting all the different ships that are older and doing the task well past their "prime". I have experienced both the ships I posted and thought they warranted being mentioned.

Tugg



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 3):
The other one I will offer is the PS Waverley, the last seagoing passenger carrying paddle steamer in the world.

eh

PS Skibladner is a paddle steamer operating on the lake of Mjøsa in Norway.

Skibladner is a sidewheel design, and her maiden voyage was on 2 August 1856, making her the world's oldest paddle steamer still in timetabled service


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner

Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 1):
Candidate #1
from Europe:


http://www.skibladner.no/engelsk/ind...x.htm


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5491 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3734 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 10):
PS Skibladner is a paddle steamer operating on the lake of Mjøsa in Norway.

Yes, but the Waverley is the oldest seagoing paddle steamer and is in regular service. As I said, gotta love the parsing of what is what. Not taking anything away from the Skibladner, it is the oldest PS (in service). Period.

Tugg



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3729 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 11):
seagoing

What sea is that ?


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5491 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 12):
What sea is that ?

She sails the Firth of Clyde most regularly, which opens to the Irish Sea. However she also operates around Britain, down to Southampton.

Tugg



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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3668 times:
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Liemba .. going strong for exactly a century now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Liemba

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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2356 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Some Swiss paddle wheel steamers, all still in commercial service:


Going strong since 1904:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_%28Schiff%29

Since 1906:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiller_%28Schiff,_1906%29

and

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%BCmlisalp_%28Schiff%29

Since 1910:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Suisse_%28Schiff,_1910%29


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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8079 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

The SS Stockholm (famous for colliding with the Andrea Doria in 1956) is still going strong as the Athena, actually just changed her name to the Astoria. I went round Norway with her in 2011, very interesting to be aboard such a piece of history. I took an ice bucket from the Andrea Doria recovered from the Atlantic seabed in the early 2000s with me, reuniting the two items (ice bucket + Stockholm), they hadn't been in such close proximity since one foggy night more than fifty years earlier!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Athena



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

The steamship The RMS Segwun was built in 1887 and has been steaming around Lake Muskoka. Here is a link to the history and to the other ships in the fleet.

http://realmuskoka.com/muskoka-steamships/our-ships/



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7241 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3495 times:

In Wanganui the paddle steam PS Waimarie is still used for tourist trips up the Wanganui river, she has been paddling since 1899.



User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1790 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

How about the U.S.S.Constitution? She was built in 1797, and still sails sometimes. She's probably the oldest sailing ship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US..._2012_by_Castle_Island_cropped.jpg


source : Wikipedia.org

Don't miss her if you are ever in Boston. She looks brand new, even now. Impressive ol' gal.



[Edited 2013-07-13 11:28:33]


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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/PD_Diesbar.jpg/800px-PD_Diesbar.jpg

Diesbar, built 1884

Coal-fired paddle steamer which still has its original engine, which was already 43 years old when it got put into it (built 1841).

Passenger service on the river Elbe.


User currently offlinejohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

Most of the entries seem to be excursion/museum type ships. The one that Falstaff posted is a regular commercial ship in real regular commercial service.

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8824 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

Quoting johns624 (Reply 21):
Most of the entries seem to be excursion/museum type ships. The one that Falstaff posted is a regular commercial ship in real regular commercial service.

True. Personally I find still-operating ocean-going cruise ships/passenger liners more interesting.

Doing a little digging, I found out that the Daphne that I posted earlier is the oldest still operating cruise ship/ocean liner in the world, except for one. The only older ship still going is none other than the MS Athena, formerly known as the MS Stockholm, which gained imfamy by ramming the Andrea Doria in 1956 and sending her to the bottom.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Athena_%28ship%2C_1948%29_IMO_5383304%3B_in_Split%2C_2011-10-22_%282%29.jpg/800px-Athena_%28ship%2C_1948%29_IMO_5383304%3B_in_Split%2C_2011-10-22_%282%29.jpg

http://www.allatsea.co.za/oldestships.htm



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5491 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Quoting johns624 (Reply 21):
Most of the entries seem to be excursion/museum type ships. The one that Falstaff posted is a regular commercial ship in real regular commercial service.

How is an "excursion ship" that takes paying passengers on regularly scheduled trips not a "regular commercial ship"? I guess some may be seeking only ships that go out for several days/nights before making port?

I will also point out that it is very possible for many of the ships that are "museum ships" if they are kept "ship shape" to one day re-enter regular commercial service, there just has to be a way to do it profitably. As long as people pay for it and that supports the operation, it is doable and nostalgia sells especially when there is a unique history to go with the ship.

Tugg



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User currently offlinejohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 23):
How is an "excursion ship" that takes paying passengers on regularly scheduled trips not a "regular commercial ship"? I guess some may be seeking only ships that go out for several days/nights before making port?

The same way that paying for a ride in the Yankee Air Force's C47 around Detroit is not the same as a trip on a Delta 744 to Narita.


25 tugger : I understand the difference, what I am commenting on - and I really don't want to derail this enjoyable thread with a trek down the Absurdium Detailu
26 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : Steam sloop S/S Gerda built 1865 is probably one of the oldest ships still in service: Video clip (recorded/made by me) : http://www.youtube.com/watch
27 Flighty : The word "commercial" is central to this thread. A charity or enthusiast organization offering paid trips is by no means a commercial service. Part o
28 Post contains images KaiGywer : Did the SS Badger have anything to do with this thread?
29 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : There is also the 110 year old steam ship S/S Mariefred, built in 1903 and still doing schedules passenger traffic on the same route as when she was b
30 Post contains images slider : I don't know what the oldest is, but I'm guessing it's operated by Carnival Cruise Lines.
31 falstaff : That is a great ship, but being a navy ship she was never in commercial service. She very well may be the oldest commissioned navy ship in the world.
32 Dreadnought : Actually, HMS Victory (Nelson's Flagship at Trafalgar) holds that honor. But since she is kept in dry-dock, USS Constitution can claim to be the olde
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