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KTVU: Your #1 News Leader For Asiana 214 Coverage!  
User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9373 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

This will be sure to be making the rounds ... KTVU pranked and running with it ... royally messing up the "names" for the pilots of Asiana 214.

Enjoy.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/epi...-sum-ting-wong-and-wi-tu-lo_b97368


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2860 times:
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Oh dear. I shouldn't laugh in these tragic circumstances, but it's hard not to when reading those 'names'. How stupid are they to not take a second to read those back to themselves before going to broadcast??!


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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9373 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2848 times:

It absolutely makes no sense to me.
I worked in local news production for several years (now I help run a network) ... and it's the same in every news room ... the number of people this made it past is insane.

It probably came in through the station's assignment desk ... so there's one person, then you have a show writer (2), then the show's producer (3) ... then the graphics person who typed in the names and made the graphic .. (4) .. the show's director usually checks all graphics and scripts to coordinate them before hitting air (5) ... then we can probably throw in the show's technical director who previewed the graphic before putting it up on the air and could have called a last second kill ..(6) ... the show's anchor for proof reading the script before going on air (7)...

Something like this *breaking news* *we have it first* is typically always big ... so you'll also have the executive producer of the show chime in ... that's (8).

This made it by at least 8 people .... holy crap.



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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2670 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2837 times:

This saddens me actually, because when I lived in the Bay Area I felt the Channel 2 news was a cut above the others in terms of quality - and diversity. Channel 2 is based in Oakland, while the other major network affiliates (and smaller stations too) are out of San Fran; so the Ten O'Clock News would often feature stories of more diverse ethnic & socioeconomic interest than the other stations' half-hour yuppiegrams.

That something of this magnitude of ethnic insensitivity happened at Channel 2 is even worse than if it had happened at the other stations.

(And if it had happened at Channel 7, I wouldn't have been surprised at all. That news staff & station management couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.)



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9373 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

"(And if it had happened at Channel 7, I wouldn't have been surprised at all. That news staff & station management couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.)"


That's funny. When this started popping up in newsfeeds, a lot of people were commenting ... "you sure this didnt happen at KGO..."



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):
holy crap

Any relation to Ho Lee Fuk?



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User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Something tells me Bart Simpson was behind this...

Either that or Moe Szyslak was the intern in question.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):
(And if it had happened at Channel 7, I wouldn't have been surprised at all. That news staff & station management couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.)

That's sad to hear. I grew up watching Van Amburg, Jerry Jensen, Pete Giddings (weather) and John O'Reilly (sports) on KGO 7. That whole team was one of the highest rated in the nation from the late 60s to the mid-80s.

Far better than Dave "old lady" McElhatton on KPIX!



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User currently offlinecactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

I'm still laughing at those names. Watched it on YouTube and sge seriously had such a straight face sound when reading them

Call me insensitive. I don't care. Lol



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
That's sad to hear. I grew up watching Van Amburg, Jerry Jensen, Pete Giddings (weather) and John O'Reilly (sports) on KGO 7. That whole team was one of the highest rated in the nation from the late 60s to the mid-80s.

I also grew up in SF and watched Channel 7 news in the evenings and KTVU Channel 2 news at 10 with Dennis Richmond. It's too bad that the news departments at these stations have gone downhill.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 8):
Call me insensitive.

We have a long-time Chinese restaurant here in Portland called ... Hung Far Low. Dates back to the 1920s.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19725 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):

Oh dear. I shouldn't laugh in these tragic circumstances, but it's hard not to when reading those 'names'. How stupid are they to not take a second to read those back to themselves before going to broadcast??!

SOME college-age intern didn't pick up on this?

This is basic juvenile humor. Calling it "sophomoric" as one poster did above is a bit charitable. This is more "middleschoolic." I'm shocked (not exaggerating) that nobody along the editorial chain caught this. I'm not suggesting it was intentional; this is the sort of event for which only the most stunning incompetence can be blamed.

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 8):
I'm still laughing at those names.

  

I called it "basic juvenile humor." Which is precisely why I'm cracking up, too!  


User currently offlinecactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):

Of course you would know that place.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
I'm shocked (not exaggerating) that nobody along the editorial chain caught this.

I'm not. Everybody likes to take potshots at Fox News, but the "sophisticated" CNN gets its geography infographic completely wrong almost on a regular basis.



User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

It most definitely is wrong and insensitive, and I've been at the receiving end of people making fun of my name.. but then I can't help but admire the genius behind this epic troll. 


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 12):
Of course you would know that place.

Shhh! One doesn't like to brag.  



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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 13):
the "sophisticated" CNN

:D

CNN is trash. Waste of time and space ... the international edition is somewhat better, though.

-a



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

''Paul Cheung, president of the Asian American Journalists Association, said in a statement: 'Those names were not only wrong, but so grossly offensive that it’s hard for us at the Asian American Journalists Association to fathom how those names made it on the broadcast.''

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-tweets-moment-realises-error.html

So Asians do find it grossly offensive for those calling on others to lighten up.


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):
It probably came in through the station's assignment desk ... so there's one person, then you have a show writer (2), then the show's producer (3) ... then the graphics person who typed in the names and made the graphic .. (4) .. the show's director usually checks all graphics and scripts to coordinate them before hitting air (5) ... then we can probably throw in the show's technical director who previewed the graphic before putting it up on the air and could have called a last second kill ..(6) ... the show's anchor for proof reading the script before going on air (7)...

stlgph - you forgot the PA who operates the prompter...

Marc


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5648 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
So Asians do find it grossly offensive for those calling on others to lighten up.

What's grossly offensive is the assumption that one person speaks for 3 billion others.



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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Is it true the newsreaders name was Sum Dum Ho?

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9373 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Asiana's now getting involved in the KTVU gaffe.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tion-with-offensive-broadcast.html

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 18):
stlgph - you forgot the PA who operates the prompter...

Marc

In a way possibly - maybe. Anymore the prompter is updated right from the news writing system at the desk of the producers/anchors/reporters/writers etc etc. The prompter person really doesnt get a preview and just scrolls as the anchor is reading.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 19):

hes speaking for AAJA, not for the 3 billion Asians or are they all Asian American journalists association members?


User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Well, Asiana is suing the TV station...
http://news.yahoo.com/asiana-sue-san...-station-over-names-043157361.html


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 23):
Well, Asiana is suing the TV station

Really bad idea. What will come out in the suit will be questioning what hurts Asiana's reputation the most. An inappropriate parody for which an apology was quickly given, or reports of less than stellar piloting and CRM procedures which have come to light. The latter will be heavily publicized and scrutinized through both the discovery phase and trial, if it gets that far.

Asiana is better off accepting the apology and moving on with their greater responsibilities.



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25 DTW2HYD : When did suing became bad idea for any reason in this country. When A.Net published an op-ed about Korean Culture by an anonymous writer in the spiri
26 AeroWesty : When the outcome is surely going to make you look worse, when you're suing over an image problem. I thought I was rather clear on that. What I believ
27 stlgph : Stop every outlet from having a field day? A little late for that. The names people will forever remember about the crash will be Captain Sum Ting Wo
28 A346Dude : What a joke. Asiana should focus more on not killing their passengers and less on frivolous lawsuits.
29 slider : I was thinking this too--thanks for providing the routing of how something flows through the news channel...always good to learn the process. And mor
30 DTW2HYD : Not really, they may be even happier that Asiana is doing this, last year there was a "10 worst airlines" report published by Business Insider using
31 AeroWesty : That they didn't should tell you something. You don't want to draw undue attention to dirty laundry.
32 A346Dude : I'm not talking about cultural issues, I'm merely looking at how (it appears) they managed to crash a perfectly good airplane in ideal weather condit
33 Post contains images stlgph : I have friends at our San Francisco bureau and some that work in other outlets in the bay area - none at KTVU, though ... my phone was BLOWING up abo
34 WestJet747 : The lawsuit is a bad idea, but not because of their chances of winning. They actually have a very good chance of winning a lawsuit against the statio
35 johnboy : I know it's fun to jump on the anti-Fox bandwagon (and god knows, I *relish* doing it), but you'd be hard-pressed to discern that this is a Fox-affili
36 Revelation : Nope, that announcement only said they've "decided" to sue to the TV station. They will only be suing when papers are filed, and I doubt that will ev
37 Post contains links N328KF : Priceless is the name of the spokesperson at Asiana: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE96F05720130716?irpc=932
38 Post contains images PanHAM : Thos screen shots ARE from the international edition the full name is actually Wee Suh Yoo What I don't understand is, that a newscaster is actually
39 stlgph : Asiana says now it will NOT sue KTVU over the gaffe.
40 DTW2HYD : Now that lawsuit off the table may I say what I wanted to say from get go. Those names are hilarious. The guy is a genius.
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