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KTVU: Your #1 News Leader For Asiana 214 Coverage!  
User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9429 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

This will be sure to be making the rounds ... KTVU pranked and running with it ... royally messing up the "names" for the pilots of Asiana 214.

Enjoy.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/epi...-sum-ting-wong-and-wi-tu-lo_b97368


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2929 times:

Oh dear. I shouldn't laugh in these tragic circumstances, but it's hard not to when reading those 'names'. How stupid are they to not take a second to read those back to themselves before going to broadcast??!


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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9429 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2917 times:

It absolutely makes no sense to me.
I worked in local news production for several years (now I help run a network) ... and it's the same in every news room ... the number of people this made it past is insane.

It probably came in through the station's assignment desk ... so there's one person, then you have a show writer (2), then the show's producer (3) ... then the graphics person who typed in the names and made the graphic .. (4) .. the show's director usually checks all graphics and scripts to coordinate them before hitting air (5) ... then we can probably throw in the show's technical director who previewed the graphic before putting it up on the air and could have called a last second kill ..(6) ... the show's anchor for proof reading the script before going on air (7)...

Something like this *breaking news* *we have it first* is typically always big ... so you'll also have the executive producer of the show chime in ... that's (8).

This made it by at least 8 people .... holy crap.



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User currently onlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2706 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2906 times:

This saddens me actually, because when I lived in the Bay Area I felt the Channel 2 news was a cut above the others in terms of quality - and diversity. Channel 2 is based in Oakland, while the other major network affiliates (and smaller stations too) are out of San Fran; so the Ten O'Clock News would often feature stories of more diverse ethnic & socioeconomic interest than the other stations' half-hour yuppiegrams.

That something of this magnitude of ethnic insensitivity happened at Channel 2 is even worse than if it had happened at the other stations.

(And if it had happened at Channel 7, I wouldn't have been surprised at all. That news staff & station management couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.)



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9429 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2842 times:

"(And if it had happened at Channel 7, I wouldn't have been surprised at all. That news staff & station management couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.)"


That's funny. When this started popping up in newsfeeds, a lot of people were commenting ... "you sure this didnt happen at KGO..."



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):
holy crap

Any relation to Ho Lee Fuk?



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User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Something tells me Bart Simpson was behind this...

Either that or Moe Szyslak was the intern in question.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):
(And if it had happened at Channel 7, I wouldn't have been surprised at all. That news staff & station management couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.)

That's sad to hear. I grew up watching Van Amburg, Jerry Jensen, Pete Giddings (weather) and John O'Reilly (sports) on KGO 7. That whole team was one of the highest rated in the nation from the late 60s to the mid-80s.

Far better than Dave "old lady" McElhatton on KPIX!



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User currently offlinecactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2449 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

I'm still laughing at those names. Watched it on YouTube and sge seriously had such a straight face sound when reading them

Call me insensitive. I don't care. Lol



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User currently onlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
That's sad to hear. I grew up watching Van Amburg, Jerry Jensen, Pete Giddings (weather) and John O'Reilly (sports) on KGO 7. That whole team was one of the highest rated in the nation from the late 60s to the mid-80s.

I also grew up in SF and watched Channel 7 news in the evenings and KTVU Channel 2 news at 10 with Dennis Richmond. It's too bad that the news departments at these stations have gone downhill.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 8):
Call me insensitive.

We have a long-time Chinese restaurant here in Portland called ... Hung Far Low. Dates back to the 1920s.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20017 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):

Oh dear. I shouldn't laugh in these tragic circumstances, but it's hard not to when reading those 'names'. How stupid are they to not take a second to read those back to themselves before going to broadcast??!

SOME college-age intern didn't pick up on this?

This is basic juvenile humor. Calling it "sophomoric" as one poster did above is a bit charitable. This is more "middleschoolic." I'm shocked (not exaggerating) that nobody along the editorial chain caught this. I'm not suggesting it was intentional; this is the sort of event for which only the most stunning incompetence can be blamed.

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 8):
I'm still laughing at those names.

  

I called it "basic juvenile humor." Which is precisely why I'm cracking up, too!  


User currently offlinecactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2449 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):

Of course you would know that place.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
I'm shocked (not exaggerating) that nobody along the editorial chain caught this.

I'm not. Everybody likes to take potshots at Fox News, but the "sophisticated" CNN gets its geography infographic completely wrong almost on a regular basis.



User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

It most definitely is wrong and insensitive, and I've been at the receiving end of people making fun of my name.. but then I can't help but admire the genius behind this epic troll. 


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 12):
Of course you would know that place.

Shhh! One doesn't like to brag.  



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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 13):
the "sophisticated" CNN

:D

CNN is trash. Waste of time and space ... the international edition is somewhat better, though.

-a



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5880 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2354 times:

''Paul Cheung, president of the Asian American Journalists Association, said in a statement: 'Those names were not only wrong, but so grossly offensive that it’s hard for us at the Asian American Journalists Association to fathom how those names made it on the broadcast.''

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-tweets-moment-realises-error.html

So Asians do find it grossly offensive for those calling on others to lighten up.


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1609 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):
It probably came in through the station's assignment desk ... so there's one person, then you have a show writer (2), then the show's producer (3) ... then the graphics person who typed in the names and made the graphic .. (4) .. the show's director usually checks all graphics and scripts to coordinate them before hitting air (5) ... then we can probably throw in the show's technical director who previewed the graphic before putting it up on the air and could have called a last second kill ..(6) ... the show's anchor for proof reading the script before going on air (7)...

stlgph - you forgot the PA who operates the prompter...

Marc


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5675 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
So Asians do find it grossly offensive for those calling on others to lighten up.

What's grossly offensive is the assumption that one person speaks for 3 billion others.



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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Is it true the newsreaders name was Sum Dum Ho?

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9429 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Asiana's now getting involved in the KTVU gaffe.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tion-with-offensive-broadcast.html

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 18):
stlgph - you forgot the PA who operates the prompter...

Marc

In a way possibly - maybe. Anymore the prompter is updated right from the news writing system at the desk of the producers/anchors/reporters/writers etc etc. The prompter person really doesnt get a preview and just scrolls as the anchor is reading.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5880 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 19):

hes speaking for AAJA, not for the 3 billion Asians or are they all Asian American journalists association members?


User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Well, Asiana is suing the TV station...
http://news.yahoo.com/asiana-sue-san...-station-over-names-043157361.html


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 23):
Well, Asiana is suing the TV station

Really bad idea. What will come out in the suit will be questioning what hurts Asiana's reputation the most. An inappropriate parody for which an apology was quickly given, or reports of less than stellar piloting and CRM procedures which have come to light. The latter will be heavily publicized and scrutinized through both the discovery phase and trial, if it gets that far.

Asiana is better off accepting the apology and moving on with their greater responsibilities.



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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 24):
Really bad idea.

When did suing became bad idea for any reason in this country. When A.Net published an op-ed about Korean Culture by an anonymous writer in the spirit of free journalism and open discussion, but named few American corporations along with Asiana, probably A.Net got cease and desist notice from one of the American corporations. They promptly removed the op-ed quoting a vague reason.

Asiana is not going win anything, at least they stopped from every outlet having a field day, in the process throw in NTSB to keep their press conferences in check.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 25):
When did suing became bad idea for any reason in this country.

When the outcome is surely going to make you look worse, when you're suing over an image problem. I thought I was rather clear on that.

What I believe will happen is that long before this even reaches discovery, other Asian airlines will take Asiana aside and have a word with them regarding how the revelations and public discussion will paint them all with the same bad brush.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 25):
When A.Net published an op-ed about Korean Culture by an anonymous writer in the spirit of free journalism

That's the thing, it was anonymous, and we don't even know if they had the author's permission to publish it in the first place.



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9429 posts, RR: 26
Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 25):
Asiana is not going win anything, at least they stopped from every outlet having a field day, in the process throw in NTSB to keep their press conferences in check.

Stop every outlet from having a field day? A little late for that. The names people will forever remember about the crash will be Captain Sum Ting Wong and his crew ... and that would still be the case even if the entire plane had wiped out.



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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 7
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

What a joke. Asiana should focus more on not killing their passengers and less on frivolous lawsuits.


You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6875 posts, RR: 34
Reply 29, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):
the number of people this made it past is insane.

I was thinking this too--thanks for providing the routing of how something flows through the news channel...always good to learn the process.

And moreover, I mean even for amateur observers, those aren't in ANY way even remotely Korean names! So it just doesn't pass the sniff test.

First time I saw that I thought it was an Onion News Network piece. LOL


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 26):
other Asian airlines will take Asiana aside and have a word with them regarding how the revelations and public discussion will paint them all with the same bad brush.

Not really, they may be even happier that Asiana is doing this, last year there was a "10 worst airlines" report published by Business Insider using JACDEC data. There were so many inconsistencies in that data and report. That report was skewed to look certain airlines look bad. Most of the Airlines on that list should have sued both. BTW one of the founders of BI is banned by SEC from trading.

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 28):
Asiana should focus more on not killing their passengers and less on frivolous lawsuits.

For a moment put aside the cultural issues with Korean flight crew aside and look at the accident data, Asiana can be portrayed as a safe airline. Last accident with lot of fatalities is in 1993. 66 fatalities twenty years back. It is all in how you present the data.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 31, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 30):
Most of the Airlines on that list should have sued both.

That they didn't should tell you something. You don't want to draw undue attention to dirty laundry.



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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 7
Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 30):
For a moment put aside the cultural issues with Korean flight crew aside and look at the accident data, Asiana can be portrayed as a safe airline. Last accident with lot of fatalities is in 1993. 66 fatalities twenty years back. It is all in how you present the data.

I'm not talking about cultural issues, I'm merely looking at how (it appears) they managed to crash a perfectly good airplane in ideal weather conditions.



You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9429 posts, RR: 26
Reply 33, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 29):
First time I saw that I thought it was an Onion News Network piece. LOL

 

I have friends at our San Francisco bureau and some that work in other outlets in the bay area - none at KTVU, though ... my phone was BLOWING up about 3 minutes after it aired. I, too, myself thought it was a joke and went to their facebook page and saw it blowing up with comments and thought to myself ... "well, even people take The Onion seriously sometimes and this is just a casualty." In knowing the process and how many people it would take to get through it really took me 2-3 hours to finally be like "wow, this actually happened."



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User currently onlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1888 posts, RR: 10
Reply 34, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 25):
Asiana is not going win anything

The lawsuit is a bad idea, but not because of their chances of winning. They actually have a very good chance of winning a lawsuit against the station given the low burden of proof afforded in civil court in the US. Really, all Asiana has to do is convince the judge that the station's misinformation damaged Asiana's reputation even a little bit.

Quoting slider (Reply 29):
First time I saw that I thought it was an Onion News Network piece. LOL

I immediately thought the exact same thing when I read it!

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 32):
I'm not talking about cultural issues, I'm merely looking at how (it appears) they managed to crash a perfectly good airplane in ideal weather conditions.

If you recall your aviation accident history, there have been issues in the past with Korean culture (where you must always respect and avoid offending your seniors) and crashing perfectly good planes. Most notably Korean Air flights 801 and 8509.



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2595 posts, RR: 7
Reply 35, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

I know it's fun to jump on the anti-Fox bandwagon (and god knows, I *relish* doing it), but you'd be hard-pressed to discern that this is a Fox-affiliate by their advertising alone. I'm pretty sure that crap wouldn't go down in the Bay Area, if they advertised themselves like other cities do.

Actually, after snooping a bit, it looks like this station is owned by Cox Enterprises and not by Fox itself.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12766 posts, RR: 25
Reply 36, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 23):
Well, Asiana is suing the TV station...

Nope, that announcement only said they've "decided" to sue to the TV station. They will only be suing when papers are filed, and I doubt that will ever happen, because it'd be bloody stupid for them to make an issue out of this in the courts.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 24):
What will come out in the suit will be questioning what hurts Asiana's reputation the most.

Given the trial is anywhere in the Bay Area, the jury will know the context of the trial, which is that the actual Asiana pilots, Lee Kang-kook and Lee Jung-min flew a perfectly good aircraft onto the seawall at the end of the runway, whilst paying precious little attention to the airspeed indicators and many other visual queues on a CAVOK day.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 25):
Asiana is not going win anything, at least they stopped from every outlet having a field day, in the process throw in NTSB to keep their press conferences in check.

IMHO Asiana has stopped nothing. NTSB has not misspoke at any of their press conferences. The NTSB intern is sacked. The US Gov't side will close ranks. Asiana faces the huge risk that making a huge deal out of the pilot name issue will only keep the issues of the real pilots in the limelight. The spam will really hit the fan if the NTSB report hits shortly before any potential KTVU lawsuit hits the courtroom.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 37, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 23):
Well, Asiana is suing the TV station...

Priceless is the name of the spokesperson at Asiana:

Quote:
On Monday, Suh, the Asiana spokesman, played down earlier reports that the company threatened legal action against the federal agency as well. "We will never sue the NTSB," Suh said.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE96F05720130716?irpc=932



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9566 posts, RR: 31
Reply 38, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 16):
CNN is trash. Waste of time and space ... the international edition is somewhat better, though.

-a

Thos screen shots ARE from the international edition

Quoting N328KF (Reply 37):
Priceless is the name of the spokesperson at Asiana:

the full name is actually Wee Suh Yoo  

What I don't understand is, that a newscaster is actually so darn stupid to read those names into the camera. I mean., it took me a split second to realize that this was a hoax and I am noit a native speeker. How crappy is that generation not to realize the obvious?

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 30):
Last accident with lot of fatalities is in 1993. 66 fatalities twenty years back. It is all in how you present the data.

They had a 747400 F crash as well, which was likely caused by a Li Ion battery incended cargo fire. An airline is responsible to check the freight that is loaded on their aircraft and DGR has to be treated properly. They were just "lucky" that the shipment went on a freighter and not on a pax aircraft with 300 + passengers.

Finally, we are making fun of this aölthough three people perished. However, it could have been 300++ and it is in the human nature to act this way when a bad thing turned out lucky at least for the majority of people involved.

Asiana should think twice about suing the TV station, they should put their efforts to improvong cockpit resource management. It was quite a shock to realize that they have not learned from the mistakes their rival KE made in the 90s .



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9429 posts, RR: 26
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Asiana says now it will NOT sue KTVU over the gaffe.


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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Now that lawsuit off the table may I say what I wanted to say from get go. Those names are hilarious. The guy is a genius.

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