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TX Police: Hand Over Your Tampons! Keep Your Guns.  
User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2602 posts, RR: 7
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

Yes, once again Texas is the laughing stock of the nation, as TX police officers were ordered to confiscate Tampax tampons, Kotex Mini/Maxi pads, and other deadly "feminine hygiene" products during the highly-charged debate at the Texas Legislature surrounding controversial abortion restrictions designed to close down clinics and keep women from getting access to a legal procedure.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/...lery-While-Allowing-Concealed-Guns

"Women are being forced to throw out tampons and maxi pads to enter the Senate gallery, which has been confirmed by DPS. That's right: menstruating women are being denied entry to the Senate gallery unless they throw out their supplies.
[...]

However, people with concealed handgun licenses are allowed to bypass long lines to enter the Gallery through the expedited CHL entrance, and per DPS, if a person has a CHL, they can take their gun into the gallery."





*Yee-haw! Forget to include the link to the above.

[Edited 2013-07-12 16:24:43]

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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Latest is that they can now, er, "carry".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...s-confiscated-texas_n_3588177.html



wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

What has my state come to? I might as well move back to Tennessee.


A landing EVERYONE can walk away from, is a good landing.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Heard reports that some people may have brought urine and feces to throw.

Not classy.


User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Not classy.

Pretty much describes the whole situation. I guess the christian right is jumping up and down, as they edge closer at the chat to finally repeal the abomination (in their mind) that is Roe v Wade.

Edit: And for what it's worth:
DPS officers outside the Senate gallery and at each entrance to the Capitol told The Texas Tribune they had not seen or found jars containing feces or urine, and multiple officers throughout the Capitol said they had not heard of any jars being found until a reporter mentioned it. Several officers also said they had not heard anything on the DPS radio system about jars of any excrement.http://www.texastribune.org/2013/07/...question-dps-report-confiscations/

[Edited 2013-07-13 01:49:16]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 4):
Edit: And for what it's worth:

That's encouraging.


User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2602 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Where are the rest of the Texans commenting on this?

Just curious what their views on on this....I know there's at least one that's a big blowhard.


User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6959 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

I lost an Opinel knife I used to carry everywhere (being a scout) when I went to visit the House of Commons in the UK (empty of MPs). In Texas they don't fear a crazy gun owner I guess, has there never been violence in there ? In France an anarchist threw a bomb on the national assemblymen in the 19th century.


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User currently offlinecgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Are women being required to hand over only those tampons in their handbags/purses or does it mean they have to hand over "all" tampons including tampons they may have "on" them?????   


A330 man.
User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12970 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Thank goodness the people of Texas are so willing to support millions of unwanted children.


Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
Thank goodness the people of Texas are so willing to support millions of unwanted children.

You gotta have babies to raise to become dead soldiers. At least that's what George Carlin always said.  


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12970 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Kind of amazing where the "long arm of the law" finds itself these days, no? 


Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlinedreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

People have their panties in such a wad over this... wow.

I haven't done a lot of research on this law, but as I understand it:

1) It bans abortions after 20 weeks. As said in another thread, I find this reasonable - If you can't make up your mind in 5 months, you've got other problems.

2) It requires abortion clinics to have admitting privileges at a local hospital - presumably in case of complications.

3) It requires abortions to be done in a place equipped for surgery, not just some back room.

All these seem reasonable to me. Why the hysteria?



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17828 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):

2) It requires abortion clinics to have admitting privileges at a local hospital - presumably in case of complications.

3) It requires abortions to be done in a place equipped for surgery, not just some back room.

This is just a back handed way of making them so expensive and regulated (regulation bad mkay! except this time!) that they're near impossible to offer. Honestly I can empathize with people who think abortion is murder, and there's really little way to find middle ground when you feel that way. I'd be less disappointed if they just came out and said, "we don't like abortion, we think it's murder, and we're going to try to limit as much as possible," but honesty is not a core value of the christian right.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Geez, can you see the ads for the 2014 election campaign? Lots of video in all probability, even if taken on iPhones.

This one could even hit the late night shows where the writers can have a field day.

Just as well that Perry decided not to run again as that was a major "Oooooops"!

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
Thank goodness the people of Texas are so willing to support millions of unwanted children.

We're talking about financial support here. But Texas has so much oil & gas that royalties can probably take care of that situation.

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
1) It bans abortions after 20 weeks. As said in another thread, I find this reasonable - If you can't make up your mind in 5 months, you've got other problems.

I'm close to being a supporter of the 20 week "red line", except that I believe that the state must then take financial responsibility as well as legal control of the baby. Induce labor and have the baby immediately given to the state for care& raising. If taxes need to be raised then do it.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
1) It bans abortions after 20 weeks. As said in another thread, I find this reasonable - If you can't make up your mind in 5 months, you've got other problems.

2) It requires abortion clinics to have admitting privileges at a local hospital - presumably in case of complications.

3) It requires abortions to be done in a place equipped for surgery, not just some back room.

#1 is in direct contravention of Roe V. Wade

#2 is bullhonkey. It's unnecessary. If a woman has a complication, an ambulance can take her to the hospital and she will be admitted. The physician need not have admitting privileges. It is nothing more than a bureaucratic hurdle to performing abortions. There is ZERO medical justification for such a rule.

#3 if the abortions are non-surgical, requiring that they be equipped for surgery makes no sense and is, again, simply a bureaucratic hurdle meant to ban abortions without actually banning abortions.

Again, if you want to ban abortion, ban abortion. Don't play these games. This is going to get smacked down by a court so fast it'll make Mr. Perry's empty little head spin.

I will also point out that in 2007 one of the bill's major supporters said that she would not back funding prenatal care for low-income women because their babies shouldn't be entitled to any government benefits because "they aren't born yet." This is the same supporter who claimed that ER "rape kits" were used to "clean out" a woman after a rape.

This is not about abortion. Whatever it is about, it's not about abortion. Personally, I think it's about a social agenda that keeps women barefoot and pregnant.

[Edited 2013-07-13 09:20:43]

User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
This is not about abortion. Whatever it is about, it's not about abortion. Personally, I think it's about a social agenda that keeps women barefoot and pregnant.

It's best summed up by the fact that Texas will now go from having 42 abortion clinics covering the entire state to just 5.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ics/clinics-in-jeopardy.html?_r=2&


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17828 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 16):
It's best summed up by the fact that Texas will now go from having 42 abortion clinics covering the entire state to just 5.

At least they have plenty of education and preventative measures in place so that people don't need abortions in the first place... Ooooh wait those have been gutted too. Maybe Perry just really liked how it worked out in Romania?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

As to seizing feminine hygiene products so they couldn't be used in a protest, I suspect all states, including Texas. have strict rules for their state houses that limit such protests and if throw something, one can be arrested.

I have visited the New Jersey State House a number of times over the last several years and they don't allow guns (or knives, tazers or personal mace devices) into it but for active Federal and in-state LEO's on duty. I suspect that has been the policy since at least 9/11 and suspect the same policy for most other state capital buildings and really most government building on the State and Federal level since then.

Almost 80 years ago, the infamous governor of Louisiana, Huey Long, was assassinated in the state capital building there by a disgruntled citizen. I certainly wouldn't want anyone with a gun into the capital and cause chaos and murder some politician they don't like from either side or are just a nutcase. Indeed Texas needs to focus on the potential danger from guns in the State House than some tampons.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 6):
Where are the rest of the Texans commenting on this?

Just curious what their views on on this....I know there's at least one that's a big blowhard.

My stay in Texas is only a few months, but I guess I'm technically a Texan. I saw no point to reply... this thread seemed suspiciously misleading like you're implying that the police are trying to keep women out by banning Tampons or that they worship guns or something. It was obviously a bone headed move to ban tampons and I doubt it's a part of a larger conspiracy to keep women out or something. We have a few issues here... guns, abortion, and stupid security, but it is sloppily mixed together IMO

But I had no idea of the intent of the thread so I didn't say anything and gave the benefit of the doubt, but you asked. Just seems like flamebait honestly, maybe that's why it hasn't got many replies. I don't think you'll find any Texan, right winger, police officer, etc defending this view so that may be another reason for the lack of discussion

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
This is not about abortion. Whatever it is about, it's not about abortion. Personally, I think it's about a social agenda that keeps women barefoot and pregnant.

  How so? I mean these days I can should never underestimate the facetiousness of GOP politicians but like I said in the last thread, I've never met anyone that was against abortion just to restrict women and make them suffer. You said you knew of some of those people, I asked you to elaborate, and you didn't answer further  

Still love ya Doc  



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2602 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
Just seems like flamebait honestly

Congrats on your move....I hope it's going well for you.   

Honestly it *SHOULD* be flamebait to people....women are asked to give up their tampons and anything else those little hussies might throw, but people can keep their guns walking into a state legilature, in a highly-charged atmosphere. That's quite a concept there.

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
I haven't done a lot of research on this law

You should've stopped right there.



Here's an interesting take from Time Magazine (the comments are illustrative too -- about amendments offered and rejected by the anti-choice author and her connections to ALEC):

http://healthland.time.com/2013/07/0...gulation-of-outpatient-procedures/


Makes me wonder about regulations of facilities for oral surgery and dermatology. Hopefully the kind-hearted, gracious legislators of Texas will be willing to "do their research" and upgrade requirements for those too. You know, since they're worried about health and stuff.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 20):
Honestly it *SHOULD* be flamebait to people....women are asked to give up their tampons and anything else those little hussies might throw, but people can keep their guns walking into a state legilature, in a highly-charged atmosphere. That's quite a concept there.

Well I meant it's meant to get an angry response, not a good debate going. Maybe it was just me, but it didn't sound like a debate on guns vs tampons was trying to get started... it just sounded like a harsh jab against Texans right off the bat, as if any Texan would defend this measure but since they're Texans, they're just backwards and stupid.

I mean, maybe that wasn't the intent, but that's what it looked like to me.

And the part about inconveniencing menstruating women from seeing a abortion debate may be kinda humorous and ironic, but I highly doubt that was purposely planned out. Plus, who is to say the "GOP stopped women from coming in?" The guy or girl in charge of security or who made this dumb decision could be a pro-abortion democrat for all we know



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
How so? I mean these days I can should never underestimate the facetiousness of GOP politicians but like I said in the last thread, I've never met anyone that was against abortion just to restrict women and make them suffer.

They will not say that. However, Mr. Santorum came pretty close by talking about the "consequences" of "promiscuity." Just remember, his definition of "promiscuity" is "any sex for purposes other than reproduction, including any sex out of wedlock."

If this were about protecting the unborn, then the very same politicians supporting this "protection" wouldn't be denying those same unborn prenatal care because "they aren't born yet." They CERTAINLY wouldn't be opposing sex ed and freely-available birth control. And they wouldn't be opposing such programs as SCHIP and even VFC (Vaccines For Children).*

So clearly this isn't about the sanctity of life at all. So why could someone be motivated to ensure that women have no access to contraception, prenatal care, postnatal care, healthcare for their unwanted children, and no access to abortion? Oh, and maternity leave and protections against being fired for being pregnant?

Could it be because once a young woman has sex and gets pregnant, her education and employment opportunities suffer and she will be subordinate to and dependent on some man? Can you think of a different explanation? I can't for love or money.

Again, if it's about the sanctity of life, then they'd be behaving like the Catholic Church on the issue. I oppose the Church's take, but at least it's internally consistent. This is not.

*VFC is an especially stupid thing to oppose, and yet there are Teapublicans out to shut it down. Vaccines aren't 100% effective and if there is an outbreak of measles or pertussis or --heaven forbid-- polio, even the vaccinated will be at risk. You want every kid vaccinated even if you don't care about them, because you are protecting your own kids that way.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):

I completely see where you're going, and I more or less agree with all that you say, BUT, as much as I disagree with a lot that the GOP does, I can see how they justify and rationalize being against abortion but also against a lot of things for the born child without going into anti-woman territory. No doubt many think that women should stay in the kitchen but that doesn't mean they oppose abortion just because they are more traditional or whatever. Maybe it's because I grew up in a conservative area... literally 0% of those I've met that are against abortion are doing so to oppress women. And it's not like they're just lying to me to save face, these are people I know, they are being honest



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 23):
I completely see where you're going, and I more or less agree with all that you say, BUT, as much as I disagree with a lot that the GOP does, I can see how they justify and rationalize being against abortion but also against a lot of things for the born child without going into anti-woman territory.

OK, then by all means, rationalize it. I'm genuinely curious to see how this platform can be rationalized as "pro-life."


25 DeltaMD90 : They are about personal responsibility. You get pregnant, you have the kid. You make bad choices and end up poor/can't get yourself out of poverty? T
26 DocLightning : Bullhonkey. You get raped, you have the kid. You get raped by your dad, you have the kid. You find out at your 20-week ultrasound that you have a fet
27 jpetekyxmd80 : Only loosely related, but #ReplaceAWordInAMovieWithTampon has been trending on twitter all day.
28 LAXintl : Texas is hardly the only state with such regulations, there are over a dozen states that limit abortions after 22-weeks. The 20-week time frame is als
29 DeltaMD90 : I really don't know what to say, it's hard for me since I don't hold those beliefs, but people don't just hold views that contradict themselves. In t
30 Ken777 : And if you are a minor when you get pregnant - raped? Are you going to allow that child and her family make their decisions in private discussions wi
31 Mir : Doesn't make it right. -Mir
32 DocLightning : They do. They have a religious belief that they must harm others in the name of religion. You see this played out with violence in Islam. In the USA
33 AeroWesty : After reading this thread, I thought it'd be #ReplaceAWordInAMovieWithParanoia
34 Post contains images OA412 : The hysteria, if you want to call it that, results from regulating abortions by making them as difficult to obtain as possible. Texas is going from 4
35 DocLightning : It's one of many problems. The overarching problem is the absolute scorn for others unlike them and the view that they are our personal saviors here
36 Post contains images CPH-R : Ugh. Looked up anencephaly on wikipedia and now I'm left wondering if there is enough brain bleach in the world to erase those images
37 DocLightning : Remember them. Not all babies are perfect. There is some life that is worse than death.
38 hOmSAr : Hmm, sounds like we have a case where politicians are trying to legislate medical care and basically take medical decisions out of the hands of docto
39 DocLightning : Very good point. Except unlike Obamacare, which doesn't legislate ANY clinical algorithms, this time it actually happened.
40 flyingclrs727 : If one has a concealed hand gun license, it is legal to carry in the Texas Capitol. There are 2 types of security lines at the capitol. One is for no
41 flyingclrs727 : Opponents of the legislation were threatening to throw used bloody tampons from the gallery.
42 Ken777 : When families discover they are pregnant they naturally assume that their baby will be fine. Unfortunately doctors see things that laymen & laywo
43 DeltaMD90 : That would be a lot of money for a very uncertain result. Once again, the Texas GOP isn't confiscating tampons, it is the police. Are you suggesting
44 Post contains images Revelation : Maybe they'll come up with a catch slogan such as 'Pull the string on the GOP"?
45 slider : Because the pro-aborts have no problem with Gosnell and his ilk. Their hypocrisy on "safety" and "women's health" is laughable at best, morally bankr
46 DeltaMD90 : Gross lol. I know you are just joking, but I'm legitimately curious why everyone keeps equating the TX Police to the TX GOP? I mean, I would not be s
47 bhill : Slider....99%??? Source please.
48 cmf : Good luck providing support for this outrageous claim.
49 DeltaMD90 : I'm pretty solidly anti-abortion (well, pro-life, semantics) but I have to contest these points. Everyone I've talked to was appalled by Gosnell. Som
50 Ken777 : I doubt it also, but would love to see them as I believe embarrassment is one simple means of getting change and that tampon program does need to be
51 CPH-R : You may recall the "Not intended to be a factual statement" meme. Slider is merely channeling Senator Jon Kyl, who claimed that over 90% of PP does is
52 Mir : Perhaps - of course there are very few people who are truly pro-abortion. The pro-choice people, on the other hand, have a big problem with what he w
53 DocLightning : This statement is factually incorrect. In fact, the majority of PP locations do not even perform abortions.
54 johnboy : Frankly, that's what was occurring and I didn't have enough room for typing all that out, FWIW. Will have to look at more replies, as I'm not able to
55 DeltaMD90 : Sigh... the embarrassment will be on those who made the billboards because for the ninth time, the GOP had nothing to do with the tampon decision. Ye
56 skywaymanaz : Don't give the TSA any ideas. They might ban tampons next.
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