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TX Police: Hand Over Your Tampons! Keep Your Guns.  
User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Yes, once again Texas is the laughing stock of the nation, as TX police officers were ordered to confiscate Tampax tampons, Kotex Mini/Maxi pads, and other deadly "feminine hygiene" products during the highly-charged debate at the Texas Legislature surrounding controversial abortion restrictions designed to close down clinics and keep women from getting access to a legal procedure.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/...lery-While-Allowing-Concealed-Guns

"Women are being forced to throw out tampons and maxi pads to enter the Senate gallery, which has been confirmed by DPS. That's right: menstruating women are being denied entry to the Senate gallery unless they throw out their supplies.
[...]

However, people with concealed handgun licenses are allowed to bypass long lines to enter the Gallery through the expedited CHL entrance, and per DPS, if a person has a CHL, they can take their gun into the gallery."





*Yee-haw! Forget to include the link to the above.

[Edited 2013-07-12 16:24:43]

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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6735 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Latest is that they can now, er, "carry".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...s-confiscated-texas_n_3588177.html



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2055 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

What has my state come to? I might as well move back to Tennessee.


Go coogs! \n//
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Heard reports that some people may have brought urine and feces to throw.

Not classy.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Not classy.

Pretty much describes the whole situation. I guess the christian right is jumping up and down, as they edge closer at the chat to finally repeal the abomination (in their mind) that is Roe v Wade.

Edit: And for what it's worth:
DPS officers outside the Senate gallery and at each entrance to the Capitol told The Texas Tribune they had not seen or found jars containing feces or urine, and multiple officers throughout the Capitol said they had not heard of any jars being found until a reporter mentioned it. Several officers also said they had not heard anything on the DPS radio system about jars of any excrement.http://www.texastribune.org/2013/07/...question-dps-report-confiscations/

[Edited 2013-07-13 01:49:16]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2369 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 4):
Edit: And for what it's worth:

That's encouraging.


User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2365 times:

Where are the rest of the Texans commenting on this?

Just curious what their views on on this....I know there's at least one that's a big blowhard.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6656 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2339 times:

I lost an Opinel knife I used to carry everywhere (being a scout) when I went to visit the House of Commons in the UK (empty of MPs). In Texas they don't fear a crazy gun owner I guess, has there never been violence in there ? In France an anarchist threw a bomb on the national assemblymen in the 19th century.


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User currently offlinecgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Are women being required to hand over only those tampons in their handbags/purses or does it mean they have to hand over "all" tampons including tampons they may have "on" them?????   


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12559 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Thank goodness the people of Texas are so willing to support millions of unwanted children.


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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
Thank goodness the people of Texas are so willing to support millions of unwanted children.

You gotta have babies to raise to become dead soldiers. At least that's what George Carlin always said.  


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12559 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Kind of amazing where the "long arm of the law" finds itself these days, no? 


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User currently offlinedreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

People have their panties in such a wad over this... wow.

I haven't done a lot of research on this law, but as I understand it:

1) It bans abortions after 20 weeks. As said in another thread, I find this reasonable - If you can't make up your mind in 5 months, you've got other problems.

2) It requires abortion clinics to have admitting privileges at a local hospital - presumably in case of complications.

3) It requires abortions to be done in a place equipped for surgery, not just some back room.

All these seem reasonable to me. Why the hysteria?



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17504 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):

2) It requires abortion clinics to have admitting privileges at a local hospital - presumably in case of complications.

3) It requires abortions to be done in a place equipped for surgery, not just some back room.

This is just a back handed way of making them so expensive and regulated (regulation bad mkay! except this time!) that they're near impossible to offer. Honestly I can empathize with people who think abortion is murder, and there's really little way to find middle ground when you feel that way. I'd be less disappointed if they just came out and said, "we don't like abortion, we think it's murder, and we're going to try to limit as much as possible," but honesty is not a core value of the christian right.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8276 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Geez, can you see the ads for the 2014 election campaign? Lots of video in all probability, even if taken on iPhones.

This one could even hit the late night shows where the writers can have a field day.

Just as well that Perry decided not to run again as that was a major "Oooooops"!

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
Thank goodness the people of Texas are so willing to support millions of unwanted children.

We're talking about financial support here. But Texas has so much oil & gas that royalties can probably take care of that situation.

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
1) It bans abortions after 20 weeks. As said in another thread, I find this reasonable - If you can't make up your mind in 5 months, you've got other problems.

I'm close to being a supporter of the 20 week "red line", except that I believe that the state must then take financial responsibility as well as legal control of the baby. Induce labor and have the baby immediately given to the state for care& raising. If taxes need to be raised then do it.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
1) It bans abortions after 20 weeks. As said in another thread, I find this reasonable - If you can't make up your mind in 5 months, you've got other problems.

2) It requires abortion clinics to have admitting privileges at a local hospital - presumably in case of complications.

3) It requires abortions to be done in a place equipped for surgery, not just some back room.

#1 is in direct contravention of Roe V. Wade

#2 is bullhonkey. It's unnecessary. If a woman has a complication, an ambulance can take her to the hospital and she will be admitted. The physician need not have admitting privileges. It is nothing more than a bureaucratic hurdle to performing abortions. There is ZERO medical justification for such a rule.

#3 if the abortions are non-surgical, requiring that they be equipped for surgery makes no sense and is, again, simply a bureaucratic hurdle meant to ban abortions without actually banning abortions.

Again, if you want to ban abortion, ban abortion. Don't play these games. This is going to get smacked down by a court so fast it'll make Mr. Perry's empty little head spin.

I will also point out that in 2007 one of the bill's major supporters said that she would not back funding prenatal care for low-income women because their babies shouldn't be entitled to any government benefits because "they aren't born yet." This is the same supporter who claimed that ER "rape kits" were used to "clean out" a woman after a rape.

This is not about abortion. Whatever it is about, it's not about abortion. Personally, I think it's about a social agenda that keeps women barefoot and pregnant.

[Edited 2013-07-13 09:20:43]

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
This is not about abortion. Whatever it is about, it's not about abortion. Personally, I think it's about a social agenda that keeps women barefoot and pregnant.

It's best summed up by the fact that Texas will now go from having 42 abortion clinics covering the entire state to just 5.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ics/clinics-in-jeopardy.html?_r=2&


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17504 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 16):
It's best summed up by the fact that Texas will now go from having 42 abortion clinics covering the entire state to just 5.

At least they have plenty of education and preventative measures in place so that people don't need abortions in the first place... Ooooh wait those have been gutted too. Maybe Perry just really liked how it worked out in Romania?



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13114 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

As to seizing feminine hygiene products so they couldn't be used in a protest, I suspect all states, including Texas. have strict rules for their state houses that limit such protests and if throw something, one can be arrested.

I have visited the New Jersey State House a number of times over the last several years and they don't allow guns (or knives, tazers or personal mace devices) into it but for active Federal and in-state LEO's on duty. I suspect that has been the policy since at least 9/11 and suspect the same policy for most other state capital buildings and really most government building on the State and Federal level since then.

Almost 80 years ago, the infamous governor of Louisiana, Huey Long, was assassinated in the state capital building there by a disgruntled citizen. I certainly wouldn't want anyone with a gun into the capital and cause chaos and murder some politician they don't like from either side or are just a nutcase. Indeed Texas needs to focus on the potential danger from guns in the State House than some tampons.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 6):
Where are the rest of the Texans commenting on this?

Just curious what their views on on this....I know there's at least one that's a big blowhard.

My stay in Texas is only a few months, but I guess I'm technically a Texan. I saw no point to reply... this thread seemed suspiciously misleading like you're implying that the police are trying to keep women out by banning Tampons or that they worship guns or something. It was obviously a bone headed move to ban tampons and I doubt it's a part of a larger conspiracy to keep women out or something. We have a few issues here... guns, abortion, and stupid security, but it is sloppily mixed together IMO

But I had no idea of the intent of the thread so I didn't say anything and gave the benefit of the doubt, but you asked. Just seems like flamebait honestly, maybe that's why it hasn't got many replies. I don't think you'll find any Texan, right winger, police officer, etc defending this view so that may be another reason for the lack of discussion

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
This is not about abortion. Whatever it is about, it's not about abortion. Personally, I think it's about a social agenda that keeps women barefoot and pregnant.

  How so? I mean these days I can should never underestimate the facetiousness of GOP politicians but like I said in the last thread, I've never met anyone that was against abortion just to restrict women and make them suffer. You said you knew of some of those people, I asked you to elaborate, and you didn't answer further  

Still love ya Doc  



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
Just seems like flamebait honestly

Congrats on your move....I hope it's going well for you.   

Honestly it *SHOULD* be flamebait to people....women are asked to give up their tampons and anything else those little hussies might throw, but people can keep their guns walking into a state legilature, in a highly-charged atmosphere. That's quite a concept there.

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
I haven't done a lot of research on this law

You should've stopped right there.



Here's an interesting take from Time Magazine (the comments are illustrative too -- about amendments offered and rejected by the anti-choice author and her connections to ALEC):

http://healthland.time.com/2013/07/0...gulation-of-outpatient-procedures/


Makes me wonder about regulations of facilities for oral surgery and dermatology. Hopefully the kind-hearted, gracious legislators of Texas will be willing to "do their research" and upgrade requirements for those too. You know, since they're worried about health and stuff.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 20):
Honestly it *SHOULD* be flamebait to people....women are asked to give up their tampons and anything else those little hussies might throw, but people can keep their guns walking into a state legilature, in a highly-charged atmosphere. That's quite a concept there.

Well I meant it's meant to get an angry response, not a good debate going. Maybe it was just me, but it didn't sound like a debate on guns vs tampons was trying to get started... it just sounded like a harsh jab against Texans right off the bat, as if any Texan would defend this measure but since they're Texans, they're just backwards and stupid.

I mean, maybe that wasn't the intent, but that's what it looked like to me.

And the part about inconveniencing menstruating women from seeing a abortion debate may be kinda humorous and ironic, but I highly doubt that was purposely planned out. Plus, who is to say the "GOP stopped women from coming in?" The guy or girl in charge of security or who made this dumb decision could be a pro-abortion democrat for all we know



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
How so? I mean these days I can should never underestimate the facetiousness of GOP politicians but like I said in the last thread, I've never met anyone that was against abortion just to restrict women and make them suffer.

They will not say that. However, Mr. Santorum came pretty close by talking about the "consequences" of "promiscuity." Just remember, his definition of "promiscuity" is "any sex for purposes other than reproduction, including any sex out of wedlock."

If this were about protecting the unborn, then the very same politicians supporting this "protection" wouldn't be denying those same unborn prenatal care because "they aren't born yet." They CERTAINLY wouldn't be opposing sex ed and freely-available birth control. And they wouldn't be opposing such programs as SCHIP and even VFC (Vaccines For Children).*

So clearly this isn't about the sanctity of life at all. So why could someone be motivated to ensure that women have no access to contraception, prenatal care, postnatal care, healthcare for their unwanted children, and no access to abortion? Oh, and maternity leave and protections against being fired for being pregnant?

Could it be because once a young woman has sex and gets pregnant, her education and employment opportunities suffer and she will be subordinate to and dependent on some man? Can you think of a different explanation? I can't for love or money.

Again, if it's about the sanctity of life, then they'd be behaving like the Catholic Church on the issue. I oppose the Church's take, but at least it's internally consistent. This is not.

*VFC is an especially stupid thing to oppose, and yet there are Teapublicans out to shut it down. Vaccines aren't 100% effective and if there is an outbreak of measles or pertussis or --heaven forbid-- polio, even the vaccinated will be at risk. You want every kid vaccinated even if you don't care about them, because you are protecting your own kids that way.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):

I completely see where you're going, and I more or less agree with all that you say, BUT, as much as I disagree with a lot that the GOP does, I can see how they justify and rationalize being against abortion but also against a lot of things for the born child without going into anti-woman territory. No doubt many think that women should stay in the kitchen but that doesn't mean they oppose abortion just because they are more traditional or whatever. Maybe it's because I grew up in a conservative area... literally 0% of those I've met that are against abortion are doing so to oppress women. And it's not like they're just lying to me to save face, these are people I know, they are being honest



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 23):
I completely see where you're going, and I more or less agree with all that you say, BUT, as much as I disagree with a lot that the GOP does, I can see how they justify and rationalize being against abortion but also against a lot of things for the born child without going into anti-woman territory.

OK, then by all means, rationalize it. I'm genuinely curious to see how this platform can be rationalized as "pro-life."


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 24):
OK, then by all means, rationalize it. I'm genuinely curious to see how this platform can be rationalized as "pro-life."

They are about personal responsibility. You get pregnant, you have the kid. You make bad choices and end up poor/can't get yourself out of poverty? That's your problem. Charity will take care of you. Who is to say the scientists are 100% correct on vaccines? We should not trust scientists

Etc etc. I do not agree with what I just said ^^ but they do have reasons and it fits together logically in their minds. It's not as simple as "we're just gonna be double standarded today" and again, while we disagree and see a double standard, that doesn't make it a double standard in their mind. By filling in the blanks in the way we think, we may think a theory makes sense in our minds (the GOP simply being anti-woman) but it's not what they are getting at.

Hm, I did a pretty bad job in explaining that. I'm not blessed in being able to take things out of my head and put it in text. I guess I could sum it up with they've got reasons and their own version of logic and it makes sense to them. They might think your views are a double standard in hypocritical in someway but you may not think so



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 25):
They are about personal responsibility. You get pregnant, you have the kid.

Bullhonkey.

You get raped, you have the kid. You get raped by your dad, you have the kid. You find out at your 20-week ultrasound that you have a fetus with anencephaly, you have the kid.

Sorry. Your argument falls through. This is nothing to do with personal responsibility. Personal responsibility does not mean that you have options taken away from you.

And how does mandating that a place that gives women pills to take must be an ambulatory surgical center help? I'll answer it because I'm a doctor: it doesn't.

How does mandating that the physician have local admitting privileges help? I'll answer again because I'm a doctor: it doesn't.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 25):
Etc etc. I do not agree with what I just said ^^ but they do have reasons and it fits together logically in their minds.

Then there is something deeply pathologically wrong with their minds. And I say that as a clinician, not just an opinion.

If you are about to push a man off a cliff and I yell at you to stop, you will kill him and then you go ahead and do it, claiming that God said that you have been righteous, would that be pathological? So when the entire American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, a group that knows more about this subject than any legislator in that chamber, tells them to stop this because they are going to harm their constituents and they do it anyway because God says that what they are doing is righteous, how is that different?


User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Only loosely related, but #ReplaceAWordInAMovieWithTampon has been trending on twitter all day.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25381 posts, RR: 49
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Texas is hardly the only state with such regulations, there are over a dozen states that limit abortions after 22-weeks.

The 20-week time frame is also quite generous compared to other states - for example some have 16 week bans and one even a 12-week ban.

Also it seems quite reasonable for that 12 states require an actual physician to be present to terminate a pregnancy.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):

I really don't know what to say, it's hard for me since I don't hold those beliefs, but people don't just hold views that contradict themselves. In their mind, they rectify it somehow, someway so it makes sense

Again, the views that you hold may be contradictory, illogical, etc to somebody else, that doesn't make it so. We're moving into moral relativism vs absolute territory, way too philosophical for me, but my point is that there exists a mindset that accepts what I have been saying and has nothing to do with oppressing women



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8276 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 25):
They are about personal responsibility. You get pregnant, you have the kid.

And if you are a minor when you get pregnant - raped? Are you going to allow that child and her family make their decisions in private discussions with their doctor? Or do you want the government in the room with them.

Those tampons are going to be in political ads in 2014 and maybe in 2016. They basically defined the Texas Politicians for the next few elections.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):
Texas is hardly the only state with such regulations

Doesn't make it right.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 29):
I really don't know what to say, it's hard for me since I don't hold those beliefs, but people don't just hold views that contradict themselves. In their mind, they rectify it somehow, someway so it makes sense

They do. They have a religious belief that they must harm others in the name of religion.

You see this played out with violence in Islam. In the USA where it's Christianity, violence is not acceptable (although sometimes they resort to it... see "gay conversion camps") so they use the legislative and legal processes. We saw it with Prop 8. We see it now in Russia (where it is violence). It is a repeated and deeply perverted pattern of human behavior.

There is no logical or consistent defense to these policies. These policies are about hurting people who aren't "like us good Christians." Nothing more, nothing less.

I will point out that Mr. Perry's sister apparently owns a string of ambulatory surgery centers. Could it be that Mr. Perry is hoping to profit from funneling abortions through his sister's enterprise? It would not shock me.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 27):
Only loosely related, but #ReplaceAWordInAMovieWithTampon has been trending on twitter all day.

After reading this thread, I thought it'd be #ReplaceAWordInAMovieWithParanoia



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5274 posts, RR: 24
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
All these seem reasonable to me. Why the hysteria?

The hysteria, if you want to call it that, results from regulating abortions by making them as difficult to obtain as possible. Texas is going from 40-something (I think) abortion clinics, to just 5.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I'd be less disappointed if they just came out and said, "we don't like abortion, we think it's murder, and we're going to try to limit as much as possible," but honesty is not a core value of the christian right.

That the problem with the Christian right, they're unwillingness to be honest. If they'd just come out and say that about abortion, or were simply honest about some of their other views, I'd actually be able to show them some respect.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
This is just a back handed way of making them so expensive and regulated (regulation bad mkay! except this time!) that they're near impossible to offer.

  



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 34):
That the problem with the Christian right, they're unwillingness to be honest.

It's one of many problems. The overarching problem is the absolute scorn for others unlike them and the view that they are our personal saviors here to help us heathen pigs.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
You get raped, you have the kid. You get raped by your dad, you have the kid. You find out at your 20-week ultrasound that you have a fetus with anencephaly, you have the kid.

Ugh. Looked up anencephaly on wikipedia and now I'm left wondering if there is enough brain bleach in the world to erase those images   


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 36):
Ugh. Looked up anencephaly on wikipedia and now I'm left wondering if there is enough brain bleach in the world to erase those images

Remember them. Not all babies are perfect. There is some life that is worse than death.


User currently offlinehOmSAr From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
And how does mandating that a place that gives women pills to take must be an ambulatory surgical center help? I'll answer it because I'm a doctor: it doesn't.

How does mandating that the physician have local admitting privileges help? I'll answer again because I'm a doctor: it doesn't.

Hmm, sounds like we have a case where politicians are trying to legislate medical care and basically take medical decisions out of the hands of doctors and patients.

Now...where have I heard that before?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Quoting hOmSAr (Reply 38):
Hmm, sounds like we have a case where politicians are trying to legislate medical care and basically take medical decisions out of the hands of doctors and patients.

Now...where have I heard that before?

Very good point. Except unlike Obamacare, which doesn't legislate ANY clinical algorithms, this time it actually happened.


User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 7):
I lost an Opinel knife I used to carry everywhere (being a scout) when I went to visit the House of Commons in the UK (empty of MPs). In Texas they don't fear a crazy gun owner I guess, has there never been violence in there ? In France an anarchist threw a bomb on the national assemblymen in the 19th century.

If one has a concealed hand gun license, it is legal to carry in the Texas Capitol. There are 2 types of security lines at the capitol. One is for non-CHL holders, and it is similar to a pre 9/11 airline security check point. The other is for CHL holders, and they don't normally check people going through that line for anything.


User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

Opponents of the legislation were threatening to throw used bloody tampons from the gallery.

User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8276 posts, RR: 8
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 36):
Looked up anencephaly on wikipedia and now I'm left wondering if there is enough brain bleach in the world to erase those images

When families discover they are pregnant they naturally assume that their baby will be fine. Unfortunately doctors see things that laymen & laywomen cannot conceive of happening, My wife spent 25 years treating special kids (out of 40 years of working as a PT) and knows there is a long list of medical conditions she treated that you really don't what to know about.

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 41):
Opponents of the legislation were threatening to throw used bloody tampons from the gallery.

That could probably get pretty rich. I believe that taking it to court would be a cleaner option.

It would be funny, though, if opponents of the bill put up some outdoor ads just outside the state warning women that Texas lawmen may confiscate their tampons and pads. Put it up at every road going into Texas and keep it up for the 2014 election.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 42):
It would be funny, though, if opponents of the bill put up some outdoor ads just outside the state warning women that Texas lawmen may confiscate their tampons and pads. Put it up at every road going into Texas and keep it up for the 2014 election.

That would be a lot of money for a very uncertain result. Once again, the Texas GOP isn't confiscating tampons, it is the police. Are you suggesting the TX police are an arm of the GOP?

And in addition, with all the issues I'm faced with, confiscating tampons isn't going to make or break who I vote for. I see it as a very stupid move but if there was a theoretical politician that I liked and he/she supported the tampon grabbin', I'd probably still vote for him/her. There are way too many issues (and much more important ones) than a single lapse in judgement. If I refused to vote for someone because of something dumb they did once, I wouldn't have anyone to vote for

So I doubt we'll see those billboards



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12559 posts, RR: 25
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days ago) and read 1663 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 43):
So I doubt we'll see those billboards

Maybe they'll come up with a catch slogan such as 'Pull the string on the GOP"?  



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 12):
Why the hysteria?

Because the pro-aborts have no problem with Gosnell and his ilk. Their hypocrisy on "safety" and "women's health" is laughable at best, morally bankrupt at the least. So having regulations that ensure the woman's safety is viewed as trying to ban abortion.

It's intellectually feeble.

But hey, keep it the way it is. 99.9% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion. So let them go for it. They can praise their patron saint Margaret Sanger, the racist and eugenicist, while we slaughter more of the next unwanted generation. Sounds harsh? Not as harsh as mutilating and sucking out a human being that can feel pain.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 44):
Maybe they'll come up with a catch slogan such as 'Pull the string on the GOP"?  

Gross lol. I know you are just joking, but I'm legitimately curious why everyone keeps equating the TX Police to the TX GOP? I mean, I would not be surprised to see the same thing happening in a theoretical world where the TX GOP was in charge of security at the TX Capital but that's besides the point

Even the thread title says "TX Police"



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User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Slider....99%??? Source please.


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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 45):
99.9% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion.

Good luck providing support for this outrageous claim.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 45):
Because the pro-aborts have no problem with Gosnell and his ilk.
Quoting slider (Reply 45):
But hey, keep it the way it is. 99.9% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion.

I'm pretty solidly anti-abortion (well, pro-life, semantics) but I have to contest these points. Everyone I've talked to was appalled by Gosnell. Some blamed it on not enough access to legit abortions and some were wary of what the right may end up doing in its wake, and honestly, I think that it kinda got swept under the rug due to defense mechanisms that are present in everyone. Doesn't make it right, but that hardly makes them pro-baby murder (baby even by most pro-choice people's definitions.)

And PP does a lot of good for people that has nothing to do with abortion. Abortion is the controversial aspect of it but it's hardly "99.9%" of it

Statements like those two do not further our cause, it just makes us look backward and malicious



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8276 posts, RR: 8
Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 43):
So I doubt we'll see those billboards

I doubt it also, but would love to see them as I believe embarrassment is one simple means of getting change and that tampon program does need to be changed.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

You may recall the "Not intended to be a factual statement" meme.

Slider is merely channeling Senator Jon Kyl, who claimed that over 90% of PP does is to do abortions. PP replied that providing contraception, STD and cancer testing and treatment accounts for 90% of what they do, and abortions are only about 3%.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 52, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 45):
Because the pro-aborts have no problem with Gosnell and his ilk.

Perhaps - of course there are very few people who are truly pro-abortion.

The pro-choice people, on the other hand, have a big problem with what he was doing, and we're now worried that people like him will be the only option for women in much of Texas because of the stupid rule that requires abortion clinics to maintain surgical standards even if surgical procedures are not performed there.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 53, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 45):
But hey, keep it the way it is. 99.9% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion

This statement is factually incorrect. In fact, the majority of PP locations do not even perform abortions.


User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 46):
Even the thread title says "TX Police"

Frankly, that's what was occurring and I didn't have enough room for typing all that out, FWIW.

Will have to look at more replies, as I'm not able to digest everything and reply (time-constraints).


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 55, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 50):
I doubt it also, but would love to see them as I believe embarrassment is one simple means of getting change and that tampon program does need to be changed.

Sigh... the embarrassment will be on those who made the billboards because for the ninth time, the GOP had nothing to do with the tampon decision.

Quoting johnboy (Reply 54):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 46):
Even the thread title says "TX Police"

Frankly, that's what was occurring and I didn't have enough room for typing all that out, FWIW.

Yes, I know, I meant the title said "TX Police" and not "TX GOP."

There are a hundred things to criticize the GOP about but this one is inaccurate and dishonest (not talking about you, johnboy, what you typed was correct)



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User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Don't give the TSA any ideas. They might ban tampons next.

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