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Zimmerman NOT Guilty  
User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6634 times:

Verdict is in...Let the riots begin


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6603 times:

That's what I was saying   

Glad Im in Japan right now. I have to seriously comb through Japanese history to find out the last time someone rioted in this country...over anything that wasn't Narita Airport   



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4626 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6586 times:

They should have waited till Sunday Night to report the verdict....
Hopefully everyone remains civil.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

No real surprise given the lack of real evidence.

User currently onlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Quoting stratosphere (Thread starter):
Let the riots begin

Why riot when you can light up my Facebook feed with your opinion? In the past twenty minutes I've counted over thirty posts regarding the verdict.


User currently offlinesasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

Quoting stratosphere (Thread starter):
..Let the riots begin

I really hope not.... surely we are more civilized than that? Hopefully...


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

Really was 50/50 about the outcome. But I believe the lack of real evidence the only correct verdict would be not guilty. The system is made that we would rather have 10 guilty men out free than one innocent man in jail. There is no way anyone not emotionally charged could find him guilty. No way. The Justice system worked today.

Hopefully there will be safe, non-violent protest. Any violence will just make it worse.

Wonder what Zimmermnans plans are. I would head to Canada tomorrow morning if I am him.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

As I discussed here and elsewhere about this case, no one 'wins' in this case. A young, unarmed, black male is dead. Zimmerman will be a marked man for the rest of his life.

Zimmerman could still face, as with OJ Simpson, a civil liability lawsuit although I suspect Zimmerman has few assets worth getting, if he had any after his legal defense costs, if a money judgment against him to make it worthwhile to go for but for principle.

Like many, I hope there are no violent reactions from those supporting Martin. That would be the absolute worst with more killed and worse racist attitudes toward black males. I also hope those that supported Zimmerman don't take his acquittal as an endorsement of weak gun laws and of the 'stand your ground' laws in public streets.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 6):
Why riot when you can light up my Facebook feed with your opinion? In the past twenty minutes I've counted over thirty posts regarding the verdict.

That's what just happened. I made a post threatening to unfriend anyone who states something overly political....or politically stupid...about this whole thing. I have my own opinion, I made that opinion once, in one short sentence, not in a confronting manner...and left it at that.

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
Wonder what Zimmermnans plans are. I would head to Canada tomorrow morning if I am him.

Eh I'd tell him to come here. Since he's not guilty, he won't have this on his record, and Japanese people have a rather infamous reputation for not caring much.



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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

To be honest being this was a Florida jury I am sure they are well aware of the Casey Anthony verdict where the jurors had issues after the trial when they found her non guilty. I figured this was in the states favor they appointed a special prosecutor due to the fallout. I really thought he would get at the very least manslaughter.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

     

There was no case here.

It was simply a politically inspired prosecution.



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

Facebook and Twitter are rather amusing right now.


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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):

There was no case here.

It was simply a politically inspired prosecution.

Wrong, there was a good case to be had against Zimmerman, Prosecutors screwed the pooch on this one.



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User currently offlinedreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6343 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 14):
Wrong, there was a good case to be had against Zimmerman, Prosecutors screwed the pooch on this one.

They did as good as they could. There was simply no evidence to work with - which vindicates the original police recommendation not to prosecute. "GZ claims self defence. We find no significant evidence to suggest otherwise."



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

A politically manipulated case that luckily for GZ had 6 citizens ,that could see through the bullcrap. Listening to the news and the idiots on them still try to push the race issue. What a joke


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User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6322 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 14):
Wrong, there was a good case to be had against Zimmerman, Prosecutors screwed the pooch on this one.

Wrong (in part), there was no case against Zimmerman, guilty or not. The evidence was weak at best, the star witness for the prosecution was a flaming imbecile, and the prosecution tried making it a race issue, not a 'kill an unarmed person' issue. Right though the prosecution sure screwed a number of things up.

Unfortunately I am expecting to wake in the morning to news that riots did occur and while I find amusement in that, it only perpetuates the stereotypes that make us feel they will to begin with...

My $.03



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6322 times:

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 15):
They did as good as they could. There was simply no evidence to work with - which vindicates the original police recommendation not to prosecute. "GZ claims self defence. We find no significant evidence to suggest otherwise."

I agree, still doesn't change the fact that GZ put himself in the situation that night that ended so badly. I'm a gun owner, i'm pro gun and I still think how he put himself in that situation was wrong just saying...



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 17):
Unfortunately I am expecting to wake in the morning to news that riots did occur and while I find amusement in that, it only perpetuates the stereotypes that make us feel they will to begin with...

Oh please what riots? This isn't the 90s so can we please stop with this biased way of thinking? Who is exactly is gonna riot?



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6256 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 14):
Wrong, there was a good case to be had against Zimmerman, Prosecutors screwed the pooch on this one.

Actually the prosecutors did a pretty good job. There was no case. Correct verdict was reached.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 18):
I agree, still doesn't change the fact that GZ put himself in the situation that night that ended so badly. I'm a gun owner, i'm pro gun and I still think how he put himself in that situation was wrong just saying...

You just said there was a good case against Zimmerman but than say you agree that there was no evidence. I agree he put himself in a stupid situation. Doesn't mean he should go to jail for 10-30 years.

The system worked.

Facebook is interesting. Besides for one black classmate of mine my law school classmates have remained silent which is probably the right thing to do. The rest of them are going nuts. Which is somewhat expected from people who don't know the system that well.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6237 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
I believe the lack of real evidence the only correct verdict would be not guilty

Then why did it take a jury 16 hours of discussion/debates? They could have gone home last night after 20 or 30 minutes if things were so clear.

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
There is no way anyone not emotionally charged could find him guilty.

I'm not emotionally charged about the guy. I believe it is rational to consider him a wanna be cop who couldn't make the grade.

I believe he should have stayed in the car/truck, whatever. Especially as he know the cops were coming.

I believe that his cowboy attitude, puffed up by his gun, led him to follow/stalk a barely 17 year old kid and I believe race had something to do with that.

We know he shot & killed the kid. That makes him a killer, especially to African Americans who have been the subject to abuse and racism. "Not Guilty" means two things: First, he gets to walk out of the courtroom. Second, he gets his gun back with all unspent bullets.

As to his safety, simply no telling. There will be people out there who would have no hesitation getting into it with Zimmerman so that guy needs to stay in hiding from the public. Maybe some work-at-home job with the family kicking in money to keep him sheltered & fed.

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
I would head to Canada tomorrow morning if I am him.

I doubt that they would want either him or his gun.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
Like many, I hope there are no violent reactions from those supporting Martin.

I don't believe that there will be violent reactions - for the most part. Local ministers have been working hard to keep things calm.

There will be so reactions - just like in the OJ case.

And, let's face it, Zimmerman is going to move somewhere that is relatively free of African Americans. Dishwasher, working from home, whatever. He needs to be out of sight and not recognized for the rest of his life.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
There was no case here.

There was a dead kid who confronted the man stalking/following him and ended up being shot.

Martin is dead and that will never change.

Zimmerman is a killer and that will never change.

And the jury did not deliver a verdict in a short enough time to establish that there was no case.

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 17):
the prosecution tried making it a race issue, not a 'kill an unarmed person' issue.

It was both a race issue and a "kill an unarmed kid" issue. Do you really believe that Zmmerman would have followed/stalked Martin if he had been white & wearing a Polo shirt & loafers?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 19):
Oh please what riots? This isn't the 90s so can we please stop with this biased way of thinking? Who is exactly is gonna riot?

Maybe this is 12 or so years ago, but one guy makes a threatening gesture at a cincinnati cop, who can't tell if he's reaching for a gun or whatever, who opens fire, and the entire city descends to hell for 15 days or so. (April riots in cincinnati, 2001)

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 17):
Wrong (in part), there was no case against Zimmerman, guilty or not. The evidence was weak at best, the star witness for the prosecution was a flaming imbecile, and the prosecution tried making it a race issue, not a 'kill an unarmed person' issue. Right though the prosecution sure screwed a number of things up.

This. Remember, he wasn't even arrested for 44 days!!!! And that was after so many people were crying and screaming.

This is what pisses me off about the south- people immediately think, since they were the propagators of Jim Crow, they're still racist states. Same happens with Texas and Arizona all the time.

Zimmerman, while having a "white-ish" name, isn't even white!!
I hear about mexicans shooting blacks all the time in Arizona, and vice versa. I've also heard of a Latino guy somewhere who shot a black guy who broke into his house. The Black guy died, and the Latino was not prosecuted.

I mean this was absolute grounds for media, the left-wing twitterverse, and the NAACP for them to unleash their absolute fury.

There's an extended version of my argument and I will no longer comment on my position.

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 13):
Facebook and Twitter are rather amusing right now.

Here in Japan, this isn't even trending. Not one Japanese friend posted about this.

Here is what's trending here:



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
Here in Japan, this isn't even trending. Not one Japanese friend posted about this.

Here is what's trending here:

Well, it is kind of an American story....

And photos like that one are why I love Japan. lol I saw a hilarious Japanese Domino's commercial earlier today featuring Hatsune Miku. So full of win.



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
Actually the prosecutors did a pretty good job. There was no case. Correct verdict was reached.

Oh you mean Queen Kong aka Martin's GF (or whatever she was) who didn't seem like she had one intelligent thought in her mind...ya THAT was a real winner  

Sarcasm aside, I must say that the defense mopped the floor with the prosecution, not because there was no case, but because of how it was argued. Now i'm not a lawyer or anything, I just feel like the prosecution shot themselves in the foot way too many times.

Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
You just said there was a good case against Zimmerman but than say you agree that there was no evidence. I agree he put himself in a stupid situation. Doesn't mean he should go to jail for 10-30 years.

I agree on the fact that there was a lack of evidence, but I still think there was a case there, even for manslaughter



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 15):
There was simply no evidence to work with - which vindicates the original police recommendation not to prosecute. "GZ claims self defence. We find no significant evidence to suggest otherwise."

And the unfortunate part about that is that the truth is never really known - we never got to hear Martin's side of the story.

Anyway, hopefully this case will persuade some people not to go looking for trouble, trying to play hero/vigilante.

-Mir



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User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6183 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 19):
Oh please what riots? This isn't the 90s so can we please stop with this biased way of thinking? Who is exactly is gonna riot?

Yeah, since the 1990s are so long ago and the first person on MSNBC commenting on this was his royal idiocy al sharpton (refuse to capitalize his name, sorry) who has a history of promoting blacks to find race issues with EVERYTHING down to the two cent higher price in minority areas of Detroit on produce at a locally run grocery store (look it up, he sued). I normally would think the same, no riots, no way. Except I lived in South Florida and it is a completely different world down there. I fully expect the implications of the verdict to make the news on a large scale.

Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
The system worked.

Right or wrong, that really is the way it needs to be viewed.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
It was both a race issue and a "kill an unarmed kid" issue. Do you really believe that Zmmerman would have followed/stalked Martin if he had been white & wearing a Polo shirt & loafers?

I think Zimmerman may be so zealous that he would have. Either way, since we will never know, it is a moot point and in your argument you are inherently perpetuating the issue of it being a race related issue. I know there are some 'good ole boys' who cant let the klan die, and some extremists on all sides, but furthering any issue on race bases sets race relations back. I do realize not everyone can see things the way I do but every time something like this hits the news and DF sharpton gets time on tv, it does not help close the racial divide.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 24):
I agree on the fact that there was a lack of evidence, but I still think there was a case there, even for manslaughter

Saying yourself that you arent a lawyer, you greatly need to explain this. A lack of evidence is a lack of evidence. The burden of proof is the same for murder as manslaughter. If the circumstances warrant a different conviction that is one thing but to say 'lack of evidence, no murder' then say 'lack of evidence, manslaughter' is absurd. It needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt no matter the charge, trespassing or aggravated murder.



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25 DeltaMD90 : He may have acted stupidly, but what he did was not against the law. Also, "you believing something" isn't proving anything. That's what it boiled do
26 cjg225 : Can't that be said of almost every homicide prosecution?
27 type-rated : To tell you the truth, I am just very glad this is over!
28 Post contains images LAXintl : Everything was fine until politicos got involved and wanted to make this some sort of civil rights case. You sound like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson
29 flymia : 1. I hate Pierce Morgan trying to search for that race quote from Zimmerman's brother. He in my mind is such an unprofessional idiot. Zimmerman's brot
30 flyguy89 : I wonder though if he would sue some of the media outlets like MSNBC for libel in editing the 911 call, or the other (can't remember which one) who r
31 dreadnought : No argument there. As I said in the other thread:
32 seb146 : That's too bad. A man with anger issues who brings a gun to a fist fight murders a pot head with tagging issues and the pot head is tried and convicte
33 DeltaMD90 : Um, this is the Zimmerman case, not some strange right wing horrorland case you've dreamed up yet again
34 DocLightning : I've always said that it is better for a guilty man to walk than for an innocent man to hang. I'm not happy about this "stand-your-ground" law and I'm
35 DeltaMD90 : I'm glad to hear that someone who is against this law has the tone you do. NOW is the time to discuss whether we need to keep SYG, modify it, or tras
36 Post contains images OA412 : You have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and prosecutors failed to do that. I'm really unhappy about the verdict, but the case was difficult
37 PHX787 : Has any rioting occurred? The only race evidence I saw during this whole time was the testimony by that one friend who was on the phone with Trayvon,
38 Post contains images Maverick623 : I heard one of the CNN idiots actually say that her "Spidey Sense" was telling her whatever she was saying. He does? So Zimmerman isn't a witness? Wh
39 PanHAM : Tell that to Debra Milke in AZ and Jens Soering in VA, they'll be pleased to hear that they have a chance to be free very soon.
40 Post contains links chrisair : Why yes! In (surprise surprise) Oakland. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...ash-windows-in-Oakland-4664343.php
41 CaliAtenza : my question is this, and i dont mean any offence, but what makes Trayvon so special? I know its really tragic and sad that a child and a son is dead..
42 roswell41 : Justice was done tonight and I'm glad these six women jurors realized that George Zimmerman was defending himself against a vicious attack by a troubl
43 flyguy89 : ...because it was? The police reached the same conclusion as the courts until Al Sharpton and President Obama got involved. Oh? Can you read minds? R
44 ImperialEagle : If this were not politically motivated then why did the mainstream media constantly show the public an old photo of Trayvon as a cute little 12 year
45 Post contains images KPDX : I never understood this either, but to me, the intentions were clear. And clearly, this guy wasn't the angel the media tried to portray him as. Here
46 futurepilot16 : As I said as well...there was a sense of racial profiling in this case. I don't think if TM was white he would have been followed, that's what I thin
47 Mir : Absolutely irrelevant. The type of person he is makes him no more or less deserving of getting shot. -Mir
48 Post contains links and images flyingturtle : This is true, and the system also has to stay that way. ...but, if had Zimmermann acted responsibly, neither he nor Martin would be dead now. He shou
49 fr8mech : Only the news type organzations on my FB have been talking. My FB friends (the ones that post political stuff) have been quiet. I think a case could
50 ltbewr : George Zimmerman was on trial here, not Trayvon Martin. The discussions in the media of Martin's life other than the moment that Zimmerman chose to fo
51 DocLightning : Yes he does. More than one arrest, IIRC, for domestic violence. Don't worry. Mr. Zimmerman is now a marked man. He is "free," but he will live out hi
52 AeroWesty : Quick, without using Google, who tortured and killed Matthew Shepard?
53 cjg225 : Irrelevant to the case, yes. Extremely relevant outside the court of law, however.
54 DocLightning : I forget their names, but I know they are both in prison for life. If they'd got off scott-free, then they'd be marked men.
55 flymia : The media made it different. Most young black males who are killed in violence are killed by other young black males. This was different. Trayvon was
56 ltbewr : The mother of one of Shepard's attackers was an alcoholic who died of exposure on a mid-winters night was let out of a car on a distant country road,
57 AeroWesty : Precisely. I only remember one was named Henderson because a friend was living in Henderson, NV at the time, and one had a name of Irish origin, but
58 rfields5421 : But he was not charged with that crime. The prosecution charged him with second degree murder - because they though they could prove that case (and m
59 Braniff747SP : Hopefully cable news channels will start covering things that actually matter now that this damn trial is over...
60 fr8mech : Disagree. Stand Your Ground laws provide an affirmative defense in the case of self defense. Just recall, that initially, Zimmermann was not to be ch
61 Post contains links Dreadnought : OK, let's look at that angle. A lot of people have their panties in a wad about Zimmerman getting out of his car. I.e. "getting involved", and while n
62 futurepilot16 : One of the more important questions here is, how does a man with a "resisting arrest" charge and a restraining order in his background, get a CCW per
63 DocLightning : I very much doubt it. #1) There are a lot more black people in this country than there are gay people. #2) The idea of profiling by appearance doesn'
64 Dreadnought : And if his mama hadn't gotten pregnant, he would never have been born, and thus would have never pursued Martin. Pointless point, and pure suppositio
65 DocLightning : Because men like him who beat women (for example) will not enter into a confrontation unless they have the monopoly on power. This is common criminal
66 dtw9 : Again, unless you were there (which you weren't), you have no idea what was going through his or Trayvons mind. You have allowed your emotions to tak
67 AeroWesty : Well, we'll see in another 10 years. I just IM'd the name "Yates" to 3 people and asked what the name was famous for without looking it up. One assoc
68 Post contains links Dreadnought : Where did you hear that he beat anyone? I've been looking into his 2005 altercation with his ex-GF, and it looks like a relationship gone wrong - bot
69 skywaymanaz : Some thoughts from reading through the thread: That bothered me from the word go. Zimmerman brought a lot of this trouble on himself. Somewhat but not
70 futurepilot16 : Are you serious? My statement lies in the fact that TM is now dead, after a man who was losing a fist fight decided to use deadly force. He would not
71 rfields5421 : If evidence of a crime is not immediately obvious - a delay in the arrest until a grand jury indictment is completely normal and understandable. Here
72 Dreadnought : Complete and utter speculation and worth as much as a full spittoon.
73 fr8mech : You absolutely know that? Is your middle name Kreskin? Did the prosecution ask that question? Had I been the prosecutor, I would have. Fighting fair
74 luckyone : And they so conveniently chose to ignore photographs of him displaying weaponry, lewd gestures, possible drug use, and other pictures that show him a
75 DocLightning : What was going on in the neighborhood has nothing to do with Mr. Zimmerman's history of a DUI, domestic violence, and resisting arrest. There is also
76 fr8mech : That argues more for the 'vigilante' or 'wanna-be cop' tag that folks have been hanging on Zimmerman since the beginning. To answer your question...y
77 AeroWesty : Women can almost immediately out a gay man. We don't talk to their breasts. That's been going on for eternity.
78 luckyone : Until the police come, and the offender is gone, and you still have damage to your home that keeps happening.
79 Maverick623 : False. The criminal charges were dropped, and the restraining order went both ways. Any evidence to back that up?
80 fr8mech : Then you go to your home and wait there. Regardless of what's happening, you don't get to make your own justice. I'm not saying Zimmerman did that he
81 DocLightning : Not enough to convict, but I am not a court. But two different women alleging abuse at different times is enough for me. I stand corrected. There is
82 Dreadnought : When I was a kid we called that "playing doctor". C'mon, Doc, 8-years old? Most guys that age still think girls have cooties. And if you are that int
83 Maverick623 : This. If you want to pull up Zimmerman's past to convict him, you do the same to Martin. If you want to criticize Zimmerman's actions, you do the sam
84 Post contains images futurepilot16 : Well...hells bells, I lost a few fights when I was a kid. Maybe since I have a firearm now I should go looking for the guys I lost to and provoke ano
85 type-rated : Better watch it, there ARE people out there who think exactly like this. I know you are just using this as an example in an argument but still.
86 luckyone : All I said was to address getting out of the car in the chance of better-identifying the person. I said nothing about him shooting the guy. And I wen
87 Post contains images fr8mech : I certainly hope that's tongue in cheek. Maybe you lost some of those fights because you didn't kick your opponents in the balls when you had a chanc
88 Maverick623 : No. A good reason to kill an "unarmed" person is that their otherwise illegal actions would likely result in someone getting seriously hurt or killed
89 futurepilot16 : Still not his place, sorry but you're not gonna find a good reason for him to have been following Martin, simple as that Same here, so why did he? I'
90 fr8mech : Because he erred in judgement? Actually, there are good reasons for Zimmerman to follow Martin and good reasons for him not to have followed Martin.
91 DeltaMD90 : I agree, more or less, with what you both are saying, but what would your verdict be? (I know neither of us were in the courtroom so I know there wil
92 Maverick623 : You can argue that what Zimmerman did was a bad idea, and you may not even be wrong. What you can't argue is that what he did was in any way illegal,
93 Post contains images rwy04lga : I've heard 12% of the population are black and 10% are gay. Not quite a LOT more. Maybe some of his opponents weren't born with balls.
94 dtw9 : , Really. So what you're implying is that, like you, George Zimmerman can read minds and has X-ray vision to notice that Trayvon Martin was unarmed. I
95 fr8mech : Like I said, based on what I've heard in the media...man slaughter. But, I haven't seen one second of the trial...except for a couple of snippets of
96 Post contains links DeltaMD90 : Looks like Zimmerman is moving to sue NBC for the edited 911 call. Truth be told, I didn't really follow this case too much, but seeing the 911 call (
97 flyingclrs727 : If someone breaks into your home, you're justified to use lethal force in many states including Texas and Arizona.
98 flyingclrs727 : He was charged with second degree murder, because that was the highest charge the prosecutor could file without going in front of a grand jury. I thi
99 flyguy89 : Not expressing an opinion about it either way, but having an additional charge thrown in at the last minute definitely increased their workload. Go f
100 DeltaMD90 : Wow. Just a question, the President's remark about Trayvon looking a son he never had or whatever, is it Kosher to comment on an on going trial like
101 727LOVER : KTVU in Oakland has just released the names of the jurors: Mary Whitepower Cindy Crossinyard Amy Killdarky Jessica Klan
102 Post contains links rfields5421 : It might possibly have been used as part of an appeal focused on not being able to get a fair jury. That would be a stretch and likely wouldn't work.
103 flymia : An affirmative defense they never used. So how was this a SYG case? As was the correct decision. The evidence was not there. And to think that someon
104 rfields5421 : If the grand jury refused to indict - do what prosecutors from New York to Texas to California do - present the case to a different grand jury. The o
105 Post contains links dtw9 : Or you can indict the person who really violated some ones civil rights http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/201...cutor-indicted-for-falsifying.html Ang
106 cmf : Speculation on your part. We don't know Martin confronted Zimmerman. All we have is the word from the person who want it to be like that. The same sp
107 Boeing717200 : So if a guy comes up, punches you in the face, gets on top of you and starts swinging you're just lay there and wait for the cops? You're not going t
108 Braniff747SP : I know. I'm just hoping that the next stupidity everyone cares about will be somewhat more palatable that this.
109 Aesma : I'll have only one comment, only in the US ! And not just the verdict, but also the show trial, the stand your ground law, the people going about with
110 ImperialEagle : No more so than O.J. was and nobody ever bothered to go after him. That POS is just languishing in jail for being a dumb-ass in general. Yes. Sad but
111 dtw9 : No speculations on my part Never said he didn't, which is why I said guilty of poor judgment on his part. Everything else was speculation, which is wh
112 Post contains links ATCtower : Only in the US? Lets see: -July 1989 - FRANCE - A French farmer shot and killed 14 people including members of his family in the village of Luxiol, n
113 DeltaMD90 : Sigh, I'm pro gun and even I think your post is completely dishonest. We have boatloads more gun violence, it doesn't even compare. No one is claimin
114 dragon-wings : So I am watching the news about this and I noticed that all the guests that are against this verdict are talking about how Trayvon was just going home
115 Ken777 : When a jury takes 16 hours there will be discussions & debates on the issues. Without any possible testimony from Mr. Martin the jury is left to
116 Mir : You just cited 42 deaths in the last 24 years. We see that many in the US in a week. Even after adjusting for the difference in population, you have
117 Boeing717200 : 1. 16 hours for a not guilty in a high profile case and you take that to mean something? 2. There is no evidence to indicate this was racially motiva
118 Post contains images flyguy89 : Of course there was no "proof", but the little evidence that did exist corroborated Zimmerman's testimony (i.e. his injuries and the eye witness who
119 dtw9 : Sorry to burst your bubble Ken but I guess you missed this part, Mark O'Mara, George Zimmerman's defense attorney, said that they will 'seek and we w
120 DeltaMD90 : I'd hope they'd deliberate for a while! This isn't a situation that should be taken likely! Even if I was deadset I would still talk it out quite a b
121 Maverick623 : You keep saying this. Do you have anything to back that up, other than "it's obvious"?
122 DeltaMD90 : You know, I never gave Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt, just assume that he might have treated Martin differently because he was black. But in the
123 seb146 : Did Zimmerman's anger issues ever come up in trial? I know Martin was on trial because he was a pot smoking tagger. I just wonder what was in Zimmerma
124 DeltaMD90 : Irrelevant No, you obviously listen to the media too much. Got proof this came up in the trial (the trial is what mattered?) If that would have helpe
125 ikramerica : The attempt to railroad Zimmerman began when the media published a picture of a smiling skinny 12 year old when at the time of Martin's death, he was
126 Aesma : That has never stopped a crazy person to do what they do. Sometimes even with police around, who end up injuring bystanders by firing ! Not having gu
127 CPH-R : For what it's worth, this is a "private" sovcit type grand jury, who likes to hand down presentments against people they don't like. It speaks volume
128 JRenavitz : Just as inappropriate as when then President Nixon declared Charles Manson guilty in the middle of his trial nearly resulting in a mis-trial. Preside
129 cmf : No that is not known. We know that at some point Martin was on top and Zimmerman was injured. We don't know what lead up to that happening. Apart fro
130 flymia : Here you go with your nonsense again. You do know that this was never once stated in trial. Martin's past, his problems in school, with drugs, wantin
131 Dreadnought : Shhhh, he's on a roll...
132 dtw9 : What's that got to do with it. He was still assaulting GZ regardless of what may or may not have happened prior to it. Or maybe you believe in the mi
133 cmf : He may have been defending himself. You don't know. As the judge said, show where it says it is legal. If you have been driving behind someone and th
134 MD11Engineer : I think the biggest problem is that there exist selfappointed, armed neighbourhood "sheriffs" with a Wild west attitude and not police training at all
135 dtw9 : Neither do you Show me were it's not. The burden of proof is on you You don't know that. He had lost sight of him and wouldn't have known what direct
136 BN747 : This is the typical 'canned response' of racist minds that 'really could careless about the 262K blacks murdered..but it is thrown out there in a fee
137 seb146 : So, the jury members never knew about any of that before the trial? The jury members never heard MSM telling everyone how awful Martin was? Also, Zim
138 Post contains links cmf : Difference is that I'm not stating he assaulted Zimmerman nor the other way around. All I'm stating is that Zimmerman followed Martin, as we know fro
139 DeltaMD90 : Exactly, that's what it looks like to me. From what I know of the case, I agree with the verdict due to lack of evidence, but steps should be taken t
140 BN747 : You didn't hear it..but was spoken about a sincere concern (to blacks) immediately upon seating of the jury..and of course you're going to hear of it
141 DeltaMD90 : And how is that Zimmerman's fault? A bigger stink about it should have been made rather than a few quiet voices in the background Now, if you want to
142 flymia : That is the point. We don't know. If we don't know you can't convict. Florida law does not say I can go on Airliners.net. But it is not illegal. Flor
143 dtw9 : m Now that I'm done choking on my lunch from laughter lets get to your points. First off, you know nothing about me to make such a generalized assumpt
144 cmf : Correct. Nr does it mean the accused was innocent. Go back to the circumstances. It isn't as simple as that following someone is legal. Yet that is w
145 flymia : Agreed. He is not guilty. There is a reason why verdict forms are Guilty or Not Guilty. And not Guilty or Innocent. Either way in the eye of the law
146 cmf : To everyone who thought it was a clear cut case. The first juror to speak publicly said it was 3 for not guilty and 1 for second degree murder and 2 m
147 roswell41 : The jurors thought that at first glance. They eventually came around once they understood the evidence and discussed it. All 6 agreed Zimmerman was no
148 cmf : From your previous post. She said it was about stand your ground. Why she thought he wasn't guilty.
149 Ken777 : That's the killer's story - or I guess a blending of all the various stories he told. I take it to mean that the jury had a lot to discuss before let
150 Maverick623 : Right... because had Martin lived, his story would have been soooo much more believable. And yet you still offer up nothing to support your allegatio
151 ATCtower : Working great in Mexico isnt it? Only allow criminals who dont care about laws to have guns and it has a great outcome! Hell, there are 9 countries w
152 cmf : Did he? Or was he (initially) successful at defending himself?
153 Maverick623 : Irrelevant. Ken777 paints a picture where Trayvon was walking home eating Skittles, and was gunned down without any provocation.
154 cmf : It is clear Zimmerman provoked. Why ignored it? Other than not liking that armed people are held responsible for what happens when they push the ball
155 Post contains links flymia : And the outcome was pretty clear. The jurors after going over the evidence again like they are suppose to realized they had no choice but to acquit Z
156 cmf : First vote being 50% not guilty and 50% guilty of something and then needing 16 hours (?) to decide isn't clear cut. Obviously not.
157 seb146 : Because he was following someone he didn't know. Someone following you in the dark but you don't know if he has a gun or if he just happens to be goi
158 DeltaMD90 : Hm well I guess that's up to Zimmerman. I don't really care about Zimmerman getting money as much as I want NBC to pay for their BS Um, OK, that is p
159 cmf : I can say that based on his version of events he is responsible for starting the ball and then pushing it faster and faster. What is uncertain is if
160 DeltaMD90 : Because pushing the ball is not illegal. What law did GZ break (that you have proof for?) For all we know, GZ could have walked up calmly and politel
161 cmf : Per Zimmerman in the reenactment. * He doesn't like how Martin behaves and start follow him. * Martin gets away and Zimmerman drives after him and co
162 DeltaMD90 : Not illegal I've stated before that had Martin somehow killed Zimmerman, I think he'd be able to get off on self defense. That is why I think the sel
163 skywaymanaz : The state's position is those warning shots not only barely missed the husband but barely missed the children as well. I haven't seen the evidence on
164 JRenavitz : Until verdict was released most if not all of the media commentators were raving about the jury from the perspective that they were female with five
165 Mir : By that logic, if someone breaks into your house while you're there and you have to flee to the bedroom to get your gun, you cannot engage them unles
166 skywaymanaz : An intruder in your house is a powerful argument that lives are in danger and deadly force is allowed to protect life. I am a gun owner but I would n
167 windy95 : You continue to keep on with this argument. The jurors and the evidence do not agree with you. He did not push it faster and faster. The four missing
168 dtw2hyd : It was a weak argument until Juror spilled beans on AC360. I think for starters prosecutors should be appeal just like defendant. No double jeopardy
169 cmf : This will be fun. What evidence does not agree with me? Wasn't it Zimmerman who decided to follow Martin after he sam Martin walking out from between
170 windy95 : Better that 5 guilty people go free than to have one not guilty person locked up for life. The jury system is working just fine.
171 windy95 : If the Miami-Dade School Police and the Miami Dade police had done their job trayvon would of been in Jail for robbery and stealing the jewelery inst
172 Post contains links and images flymia : There is more to this story. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...ing-shot-did-she-stand-her-ground/ Such as violating her bail by going to that ho
173 cmf : Get real.
174 Post contains links Mir : In some states you are. I know Texas allows it, even while the suspect is fleeing. I would be surprised if Florida wasn't the same way. No, what pros
175 skywaymanaz : No! No! No! We've lost enough freedoms in this country already. That was put into the Constitution to prevent the gov't from endlessly retrying someo
176 dtw2hyd : George and Casey should marry. Both are not guilty, no worries, correct. They can split security costs. Just in case, she should keep duct tape and h
177 windy95 : You can ignore the facts all you want but the truth is that Trayvon was a dope smoking thief, thug and troublemaker. And it has know been proven that
178 asetiadi : Rule 1 in life : Never act and do something stupid that might get you killed or caught attention by law enforcement / neighborhood watch . You do this
179 flymia : If it is in your home or car, certainly Castle Doctrine. Agreed. It was an overcharge from the beginning and one which was fairly unethical if you as
180 Post contains links Dreadnought : http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-prot...-store-stop-freeway-072536291.html From interviews with one of the jurors, it looks like the jury agreed that Z
181 flymia : Terrible to see. As the article said most people were peaceful. I am sure the violent, theft people don't even care about the case. But still disturb
182 seb146 : The girlfriend already testified he wasn't sure where he was. He decided to lose the crazy guy by going between houses in the dark hoping he would no
183 rfields5421 : It was worse than that. The state could not prove that the young girl was murdered. Only that her body was treated with disrespect and disdain. The f
184 BN747 : No, nor do I need to, all I need to know is how to recognize O'Reilly/Limbaugh/Hannity 'we hate Sharpton/Jackson' drivel. You didn't come up with tha
185 cmf : I'm not ignoring the facts, nor am I presenting speculations as absolutes. All the above is completely irrelevant as to how Zimmerman followed Martin
186 BN747 : Correction in reply above: Do you really think that? In the State of Florida, a black killing a white guy in self-defense and wins..please cite such
187 Maverick623 : Because that's the way the laws are written. You and the woman you quoted can argue that it's broken, but there are others that argue it's not. So wh
188 cmf : Then make the arguments to support why armed people should not be responsible when their actions is the root casue leading up to people getting kille
189 Maverick623 : You can go back, and change any number of variables about that night, and you would get a different outcome. You choose to single out Zimmerman's ini
190 cmf : Zimmerman deciding to follow Martin is the beginning of the series of the events leading up to everything else. Without that event none of the follow
191 Maverick623 : It is not the beginning. It is the point at which you (due to your anti-Zimmerman bias) decided that we should judge things on. So Trayvon going to 7
192 Post contains links Dreadnought : Excellent article on Slate. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ium=sm&utm_campaign=button_toolbar I don't agree with everything he says in the
193 DTW2HYD : Mark Geragos told this case over with jury selection. Prosecutors were dumb enough to accept all white women jury. But everyone respected the system
194 DeltaMD90 : I think it's the same case as probably 95% of court cases in America... the jury isn't going to be exactly what both parties want I was not going dow
195 JRenavitz : There must have been an incredible amount of political pressure to go for a "murder" charge. Manslaughter, while more appropriate, doesn't have suffi
196 flyguy89 : Well, that's kind of the point. As Aristotle said, "The law is reason, free from passion."
197 futurepilot16 : What don't you agree with?
198 Post contains images cerecl : Coming from different countries, it boggles my mind whatever Zimmerman did was deemed not illegal. He is not a professional law-enforcement agent. He
199 Dreadnought : Nothing significant. Like "Zimmerman’s initial story, that he was trying to check the name of the street, was so laughable that his attorneys aband
200 flymia : Smart people get out of Jury Duty. Which might be part of the jury problem but I doubt someone would volunteer to spend 2-3 weeks of their life away
201 Maverick623 : Well, it would boggle your mind considering: You don't have the facts right. He was acquitted on murder and manslaughter charges. If law enforcement
202 Ken777 : Indicating what? That you're not going to believe a black kid? The issue I put up is if Zimmerman would have gone after a white preppie jumping the f
203 flyguy89 : This is the law we're talking about, proving a negative is not the defense's obligation, if you're going to make the accusation that Zimmerman's choi
204 Grisee08 : I understand.. It's just I can't believe idiots can still behave in this fashion.. GROWN human beings. I mean, as if Walmart was somehow responsible
205 seb146 : There are two sides to every story and the truth is somewhere in between. Unless the black guy is dead. He never would have told the truth anyway, ri
206 Maverick623 : You're the one who said that Zimmerman wasn't believable because he was a participant in the fight. Why should the other participant be any more (or
207 flymia : Are you serious? The one who was convicted and was automatically assumed a racist killer by the media was Zimmerman. For weeks Martin was a 12 year o
208 Post contains links Dreadnought : The drive to convict Zimmerman was entirely based on emotion and a very simplified view of the events. Unarmed black kid shot by Hispanic (no wait, t
209 BN747 : Now both of you turn your race filters up to full blast ... and place the name O.J. Simpson in front of statements and see if you can maintain curren
210 windy95 : Everything has to do about race to you. How about you change your filter? It seems to be clogged. Half the guys I work with do not even remember the
211 flymia : BN747. I am in Law School. I am the last person who will say OJ should have been convicted. I studied the case in my Analysis of Evidence Class. Taug
212 seb146 : I find it interesting that people who claim MSNBC and CNN are awful and even non-media sources are accusing me of watching only them and re-presenting
213 BN747 : You know better..especially after the personal things you've shared with me...and I'll just leave it at that out of respect for you. That's too bad,
214 Dreadnought : I don't think 'racist' means what you think it means. A racist is a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is inherently superior to others. W
215 seb146 : And, let me say again: Many people who support Zimmerman from the start and even today seem to believe that Zimmerman is the only one who had a right
216 Dreadnought : Stand your ground had nothing to do with this case. AFAIK it was never mentioned in court.
217 casinterest : It was part of the jury instructions. Doesn't have to be in court as the law itself is not on trial.
218 Dreadnought : OK, as a general set of rules. Stand your ground means you do not have a duty to turn and leave if you have the chance. Considering that Martin was o
219 BN747 : Speak for yourself...there's so much regarding this trial that did and never will come to light...perhaps on OJ's death bed then maybe..just maybe mo
220 flymia : I have some very faint memories of the trial coverage. Given the media world we live in now I can't even imagine what it would have been like if OJ h
221 DTW2HYD : Knowing his ability, GZ wouldn't have followed TM if he didn't have fire arm on person. First of all if his neighborhood watch or the Sanford PD any
222 Post contains links BN747 : The media then...and the media today - are two separate universes. The was no Martin Bashir, Pierce Morgan, Tamara Hall, Melissa Harris Perry .. no f
223 casinterest : But all we have is Zimmerman's word that this is what happened.
224 Maverick623 : Straw man. I have always said that there is a high probability that both were covered under "stand your ground". Again, there are situations where tw
225 Dreadnought : Pure supposition. He was only trying to get eyeballs on his subject to report to the cops - he had no intention of getting into an altercation with a
226 Post contains images Dreadnought : What, you think he did this to himself?
227 BN747 : W-E-A-K.... no one on Earth calls 7pm late at night. Even in Alaska in the dead of winter. "it was late at night"... translation - black person out o
228 DTW2HYD : Well, it appears Zimmerman was comforting lot of single mothers as part of neighborhood watch, Mark O'Mara being a masterful attorney cashed that. No
229 BN747 : True dat.
230 Post contains links and images Dreadnought : I agree, your argument is... OK, genius. What do you do after you've a a traumatic experience - the first chance you get? A car accident, a shooting,
231 BN747 : ohh.. I see, his head was smashed into the concrete, cut..but the blood did not gush out until he took a seat and put his head into hands, after he d
232 flymia : If it is as simple as you are saying why didn't the State get a blood splatter expert or some other type of forensic expert? Its the State Attorney's
233 flyguy89 : Wow, really? The only thing that's weak is your apparent crucifixion of this juror as racist or biased because she described 7pm as late at night. Ge
234 BN747 : No can defend the state and the local cops on their ineptitude from minute. The more she opens her mouth..that's exactly what she appears to be. If t
235 flyguy89 : No, sorry, it's absolutely not possible, I've fired the PF-9 9mm pistol and you can ask anyone else who has and the recoil produces insufficient forc
236 DeltaMD90 : I'm telling ya, you are watching way too much FOX news. I never thought I'd be saying that to you. Can we at least agree that the media on both sides
237 PPVRA : If his head was banged against the ground then I would expect the wound to be the lowest part of his head, since it's touching the ground. In other w
238 cerecl : Am I missing something or the concept of law and order fundamentally different in the US? He was told by the 911 operator clearly not to follow Marti
239 DeltaMD90 : To get the police to come. Don't get me wrong, I think GZ erred in his judgement, but as others have said, dispatches are there to relay info to emer
240 cerecl : I understand that, but I think the statement I quoted and responded to was hyperbolic. Clearly, there are people who just happen to walk in the same
241 DeltaMD90 : I agree with this angle, or more specifically, gun laws/training and self defense laws. I think that addresses the issue much better. Because I can g
242 Ken777 : In pure theory. But then look at all of the laws & regulations passed in the South that obstructs people of color from voting. Actually states li
243 Dreadnought : There isn't a single person here who thinks that Zimmerman did nothing wrong. He got overzealous and found himself in a situation he could not handle
244 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : But that didn't happen... GZ's gun recoiled into his face after he punched himself in the nose I think confrontation and trying so desperately to be
245 seb146 : All of that is being fixed by right-wing legislatures making laws harder and harder for minorities to register to vote. What is the ethnic and gender
246 Maverick623 : Gravity is not the only force (it's not even the strongest force) that acts up a fluid, especially a water-based fluid. Surface tension and capillary
247 skywaymanaz : Extremely hypothetical here but what if Trayvon Martin had killed George Zimmerman with the "sidewalk" weapon defense attorney brought to closing? I'
248 ltbewr : I think one big factor in the attention and reactions to the verdict in this case is that Florida allows live camera coverage of trials and court hear
249 windy95 : Bingo. Should of went home when he had the time and chance if he thought someone was following. And then how Martin came back and assaulted Zimmerman
250 Post contains links casinterest : No , but it takes ttwo to tango And assaults like this oen don't escalate without both sides contributing. But by all means, you love the guy so much
251 windy95 : And if Trayvon had kept heading home I doubt it would of happened. Four minutes between the last time GZ saw him and when the altercation is believed
252 PPVRA : It takes one to initiate an act of aggression and assaults like this can start from misunderstandings when there is doubt about another person's inte
253 casinterest : I agree with this, but others on this thread are trying to make it a good vs bad thing, and I don't think it was. I think it was two idiots, and one
254 MD11Engineer : Did anybody ever think that Martin might have considered Zimmerman a potential criminal as well? If somebody was following me, especially in darkness,
255 Post contains links BN747 : No.. one guy i really bad.. Witness Says George Zimmerman Sexually Molested Her When They Were Kids Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/georg..
256 PPVRA : That's what I think. But TM was wrong when he thought that GZ was a physical threat to him, and TM's decision to take matters into his own hands by p
257 BN747 : You really have no clue how teens think about being followed by adult do you? I have a question, have you ever been stalked as an adult? If you haven
258 PPVRA : I can tell you that if I was being followed by an adult as a teenager, I would have been scared shitless. I would not have confronted that person but
259 seb146 : It sounds like you are part of the "Only Zimmerman had the right of stand your ground" crowd. Why did Trayvon not have a "stand your ground" right wh
260 Maverick623 : LOL WUT. I mean, yeah, one death is too many, but c'mon. Sounds about right. Remember, he called the non-emergency line. Same dispatchers, but he was
261 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I think due to your view on things, you subconsciously perceive your side's actions as not as bad and the other side's actions as much worse. This is
262 Ken777 : WHy? Because he didn't lead his stalker to his home? The biggest mistake Martin made was not calling 911 and reporting the stalker. Of course not - h
263 PPVRA : That leaves the door open to TM attacking GZ, because he was following him. It's a twist that is realistic and that other evidence collected seems to
264 BN747 : Uhh.. the abuse went on til Zimmerman was nearly 20. And yes, how noble of you 'hope he pays for it... he has already gotten away with it. She knows
265 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Sorry I missed that part, but I completely agree. I don't think it makes GZ "guilty," but I think the laws are very flawed and can lead to situations
266 Maverick623 : Alleged abuse. Oh, really, you know her? The only deranged person here is you. You have made up more than one story about how Zimmerman is a murderer
267 BN747 : She towers above Zimmerman by sheer fact she is NOT a worldwide Proven Liar. But attack her if you must..says quite a lot about you. No, I simply pro
268 seb146 : Both sides acted badly. No question. However, when one man has a gun and the other with a bag of tea and candy, who starts off with the upper hand? T
269 PPVRA : A fair fight only matters in sports. When it comes to saving your life, you should go for every advantage you can get.
270 BN747 : Both wrong, MEN do not pick fights with boys. Period. Which really makes the Child Molesting Zimmerman the worst of the worse, his life experience wa
271 DTW2HYD : He lied under oath during his bail hearing about his finances (a PayPal account). Later authorities picked up this from a coded jail conversation bet
272 seb146 : Yes. But, on a dark night, GZ didn't know who it was in the hoodie carrying a bag. If it was someone from the neighborhood or a criminal or just who.
273 cerecl : I am not a legal scholar, but something along the lines of "it is illegal for anyone but law enforcement agencies and licenced private investigators
274 DeltaMD90 : I think someone with a gun can be a victim even if the other guy has a gun... but yeah, I think a lot of pro-GZ guys are speaking about stuff that is
275 Pellegrine : This whole situation has really hurt me, because I think about the children of my friends whom I would be privileged to watch grow into adults. And I
276 Boeing717200 : Stand your ground wasn't the defense. Self defense was and Martin was not a child. If he had killed Zimmerman he'd have been tried as an adult. Somet
277 Maverick623 : Trayvon Martin wasn't a child. He was 17, with enough strength to take down a 27 year old. George Zimmerman didn't "just shoot a child", he shot a gr
278 Boeing717200 : Had he not hopped the fence, he probably wouldn't have crossed Zimmermans path. He came out between two buildings at the end of the street Zimmerman
279 windy95 : Where in this case was it proven that anyone had a racial or color bias? Can you point to the part of any law that makes it legal to kill children? S
280 flymia : Court of law. The law is what counts. Does not matter if you agree with it or not. The law is the law people. Want to change it. Go Vote, write letter
281 Dreadnought : Yeah right So you would feel justified in turning around and assaulting him? Here's the big, unanswered question to the Al Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons
282 Post contains links Dreadnought : Oh yes, the irony. It turns out that Florida’s Stand Your Ground laws disproportionately favor black people. http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/bl..
283 Post contains images windy95 : Had read that earlier today. I wonder if big Al will cover this on MSNBC tonight
284 Post contains links windy95 : http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas...m-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html There goes your white on black theory. I wonder how many of those white woma
285 flymia : Interesting if the facts are true. I truly believe there are two major problems in the black community. One is the governments fault and that is a po
286 PPVRA : If you believe GZ was trying to pick a fight with TM, why would you expect GZ to try to diffuse the situation? Sounds like you may have doubts about
287 skywaymanaz : All the Zimmerman defenders are conservatives That's about as stupid as saying all the Zimmerman accusers are all liberal. Sounds like obvious hypocri
288 DTW2HYD : GZ knows he is coward, his friends and trainers testified in this regard. So, when would a coward pick a fight, when he is carrying concealed weapon.
289 Dreadnought : How do you "defuse the situation" when somebody is beating your head against the concrete? I thought the gun defused the situation pretty finally. Su
290 Post contains links and images windy95 : Reverend Lambastes Sharpton and Jackson as ‘Race Hustlers and Poverty Pimps,’ Calls Trayvon Martin a ‘Thug’ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/20
291 DTW2HYD : Being a coward he had the ultimate option, retreat. No one asked him to pretend like macho. Is there any training to discharge fire arm in a non-leth
292 PPVRA : That's a theory, but one also without sufficient evidence, leaving reasonable doubt. Having a firearm and knowledge about SYG laws does not mean you
293 Dreadnought : OK genius, how do you retreat when you are on your back with some guy wailing on you?
294 flymia : I don't agree with Barkley much but he is spot on here. Good to see some influential people in the black community speak out their own mind.
295 PPVRA : A simple google search should tell you otherwise. . .
296 Post contains links Dreadnought : A couple of days old, but anyway... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost Seriously? Looking at poll results to de
297 DTW2HYD : Retreat from the scene, don't confront.
298 casinterest : If you outweigh the guy by 40=50 pounds you push him off of you. I mean seriously, if Treyvon was wailing on him that hard, and had him under that mu
299 flymia : The Department if Justice. FBI Agents and US Attorneys want feedback on what to do with an investigation. What a freaking joke.
300 casinterest : Wow, asking the citizens their opinion and feedback is a joke? I should have expected such a retort from someone who sees all those working for us as
301 Dreadnought : I don't seem to recall them doing this for Fast & Furious or the IRS Scandal, which as far as I know the DOJ is STILL blocking all investigation
302 casinterest : This is about civil rights, NOT the right wing paranoia patrol . your whole statement shows how slanted you are about political partisanship. Total B
303 DTW2HYD : If he didn't follow and confront he won't be on the ground crying for help like a girl. BTW, most of the successful neighborhood watches in this coun
304 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : FWIT, for those that keep saying that Trayvon Martin is a just a child or equivalent, here's a more recent photo of him at the 7-Eleven earlier that n
305 Post contains links flymia : A Criminal Investigation. Yes it is a joke. They are not asking for tips. Are they asking for tips or suggestions. There is a huge difference between
306 PPVRA : This is not true as already discussed in this thread. It is perfectly conceivable that TM felt endangered by GZ following him and decided to attack h
307 Aeri28 : That's a big boy. Interesting perspective. I'm a big guy myself and at 6'3",, I am aware I can appear looming and intimidating. I have been used to p
308 DTW2HYD : By definition entrapment is "inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit". Even if we go the
309 Dreadnought : Tell me, in any court of law, if Person 1 provokes a fight (Yo mama jokes, bad looks, whatever), and Person 2 assaults him, which one is guilty of a
310 Maverick623 : No. Firearms are lethal weapons, period. There is no way to ensure a bullet can hit, but not kill, someone. Weight =/= strength. More made-up BS. I d
311 flymia : First thing you are taught. If you pull your firearm out you better be sure you are ready to kill that person. Not shoot them, not scare them but kil
312 Post contains links Dreadnought : Obama' s comments: http://news.yahoo.com/-obama--trayvo...years-ago%E2%80%99--180734663.html So basically he is doubling down on his comments from las
313 PPVRA : Provocation is not a defense.
314 2707200X : 100% of the pro-Martin is driven by emotion is as accurate a statement as saying 100% of the pro Zimmerman side are racist against black people. I as
315 Post contains images Boeing717200 : I thought he having a momment of clarity by admitting to being a pot smoking, thug of a teenager who got suspended from school a lot that flourished
316 Dreadnought : And You will see the same reaction with a white guy, if he is dressed up like a thug. I think you will also find that if the guy is decently dressed
317 Ken777 : So we are going to have a LOT more guns sold (the objective of the NRA) and a lot more gun fights - with the one surviving citing Self Defense, Stand
318 Dreadnought : I don't think so. I described this case earlier as a Perfect Storm scenario. Dumb decisions made by both parties, one of whom chose, fatally, to take
319 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Idk, for a lot of people, they are more scared of black people, even if it's subconsciously. I won't lie, I'm guilty of it myself, and I'm not proud
320 2707200X : This guy wares a sweatshirt with a drawn hood and he's a thug, this was the same reaction drawn by Giraldo Rivera some time ago. It was raining and d
321 Post contains links Dreadnought : Just my opinion, but I would say yes, he would have been much less likely to conform to the descriptions of burglars who had been plaguing the area.
322 2707200X : You didn't read the whole thing, you are parsing it and over reacting. Granted it is not the more conservative blogs, I don't give them much credibil
323 Dreadnought : You are correct - my apologies. I see your point now. I read too fast the first time. What does the castle law have to do with this case? None of the
324 2707200X : No problem. It is not clear if the castle law was applicable in this case but the defense avoided the policy but pundits from both sides debated if t
325 Dreadnought : You are thinking about Stand Your Ground, which is an offshoot of Castle Law. Castle Law (comes from the phrase "a man's home is his castle" allows t
326 Maverick623 : Which has always been the case (assuming that the threat justified the use of deadly force) under the self-defense doctrine; what was modified was: T
327 skywaymanaz : I believe the intent in crafting Stand Your Ground was the legal hair splitting involved in among other things carjacking scenarios. You are not allo
328 flymia : In Florida the castle law doctrine applies to a person not only inside a home but a business and inside a car I will say Pres Obama should have kept
329 Post contains links BN747 : I don't expect most here have the guts to admit that... very big of you to do so. Only the racist will argue that point to the death. You should cons
330 Dreadnought : I doubt it would have made a bit of difference had a white guy punched Zimmerman and then proceeded to ground and pound him. If you find that racist
331 BN747 : Do you see how some take the word of a verified liar as if it were gold and straight to the bank. If Zimmerman went to apprehend, detain or put his h
332 Post contains links iowaman : Due to length, here is part 2: Zimmerman NOT Guilty Part 2 (by iowaman Jul 20 2013 in Non Aviation) This thread will be archived.
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