TechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4120 times:
I have said before I loved the game of baseball. From the time I was 7 till 15 years old I would watch baseball, play baseball and dream baseball. I absolutely loved the Kansas City Royals and the franchise/players were always loyal to the fans.
I can't remember where baseball took a wrong turn but it was somewhere around when Pete Rose went down for allegedly betting on Baseball. What is baseball doing right? Steroids are ramped and MLB has been absolutely silent on the fact it is ruining the game. These juiced up players are ruining records and it's to the point where we need records before 1980 and after 1980.
Salaries are through the roof, my uncle would take me to KC Royals games and we would enjoy the fact tickets were cheap, the play exciting and a soft drinks/beer/food was reasonable.
There was no excuse for what happened at the 2002 All-Star game. Calling the game early was a travesty; they act like these players are little leaguers who can't throw an extra inning or two. Fans were robbed of a great battle even the players admit this. The fan is being taken less and less into account to protect other interests. Other interests do not pay for tickets, other interests only look to line their pockets not further the game.
Baseball talks about another strike, I say go ahead Baseball do it. I actually would like the past-time to fail. A lesson needs to be learnt from a major sport that constantly takes its fans for granted. The game is tainted and run by a corporation of men only interested in a dollar. There is nothing wrong with making a dollar but the tradition of the game and a tradition of making it affordable to the common man must be upheld, or it will fail.
Baseball is on a collision course, it is an out of control money machine that will crash into the common fan. Eventually the common fan will rise up, yes rise up out of his seat and stop attending games. The end or a break down is coming and Baseball is only the beginning, other major sports are reaching critical mass as well including football.
Major sports are becoming unaffordable; we only have to look as far as Canada to see what happened to Hockey. The National Past-Time of the great nation of Canada became unaffordable and in essence was purchased by the USA. How many Canadian teams have moved away from small market Canada to the USA? Canadians were unable to pay the salaries of these players who demanded American dollars.
Corporations have bought many of the best seats in mass quantities. I have been to these new sports arenas and they resemble a convention of sorts to these corporations. The buy out all the box seats, have plaques of their company embossed in bronze on the seats or boxes. Big business is buying sports and hi-jacking our diversion, I want to go to games to get away from work but I am reminded how they own all the best seats.
Its ridicules folks, critical mass approaches, the average consumer is being priced out of professional sports.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4110 times:
I LOVE baseball, but baseball is truely testing the passion I have, and many other true diehards have for the game.
Starting with the All-Star Game. It was a joke. There is no writen rule that states AL players must play. True there is pressure on the managers to get everyone in, BUT they have to be intelligent enough to tell the media and the pitchers that at least a couple may be held out of the game incase the game does go into extra innings. Its sad, because the game was good, up until Satan ERRRRRRR Selig called it. Forgotten will be Torii Hunter's incredible catch to rob Barry Bonds of a jack, and Barry giving him props right afterwards, or even Barry making sure his next hit did clear the wall. I think I might have gone Soccer Fan if I was at the game.
Overall, baseball does have serious problems, BUT, NFL and NHL Salaries are on a meteoroic rise just like baseball. The NBA's salaries are as bad if not worse than baseball. Also, the NFL had a steroid problem, so now its baseballs turn to deal with it. Hell, in the NBA, brning blunts seems to be a hobby of about 85% of the players, so its not like baseball is alone.
Now, while I agree that the owners are indeed greedy, the players to me are WORSE. The players act like they should make all this money, because the owners are so rich. I hate to break it to the players, butthe owners made there millions and billions through business, or inheritance, or other ways...not playing a game. An owner is basically someone who wants a fantasy sports team, but has teh money to do it in real life. The players that play the game, feel they are OWED such massive amounts of money because the owners are rich. WRONG. The owners are not going to run a baseball team, and lose money so it is more affordable to the fans, while paying the players such large jack. Of course the fans take it in the ass because of this. Because the owners have all this money, does not mean they must give it up to A-Rod, Giambi, Piazza, Bonds, Grumpy Jr. ect. These people are playing a game, and its the fans that pay for them. I agree the owners are out to make all the money they can from there sports business venture, and that is where they need to reform as well. A Players union refusing salary caps, (and I propose individuale caps like in the NBA), steroid and other drug testing (this is just going to turn people away, especially if they have nothing to hide), owners not agreeing to increased revenue sharing, ect are all severe issues that need to be addressed.
I am a baseball diehard. I don't care about the NFL until the World Series is over. After the NBA had their strike in 98, I have not watched hardly any NBA games, because of the hate baseball got for their strike. I watch Hockey, but again, don't get into it until baseball is over. I can't wait until baseball starts up again the day after the season ends. There are few like me, and baseball is testing me and people like me more and more. Satan ERRRRRRRR Selig needs to go, and baseball needs to pull its collective head out of this collective ass, and think about the one thing that matters most.....The Fans.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4089 times:
PacificJourney. What you and many detractors forget, is that a major appeal about baseball is there is no time limit. You might think it is boring as shit, but the millions and millions of fans that go to the games obviously don't think so. The fact you can totally relax during a baseball game is something few sports can offer.
AC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
Baseball is one of the greatest sports ever (next to hockey). I have fond memories of sitting just a few rows above the Expos dugout at Olympic Stadium (back when even the roof still retracted), with a hot dog, bowl of poutine, and over-sized soda, not caring how long the game was and just enjoying the overall experience. relaxing, with moments of sheer excitement at every crack of the bat, foul balls heading my way, and balls outbound for home-run country. It really is a great game, and I'm always sure to spend the time to watch my favourite team in action every summer when I return home. Praying for a miracle so I will still get to do that for many years to come.
Dinker225 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1072 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4059 times:
Ahhhhhhhhh. But there is a time limit. Last nights All Star game was finished after the 11th inning with no winner. There explanation was that they had run out of pitchers and didn't want to injur the ones that they had. HAHAHA, thats a joke. I would demand a refund if the game was called off after 11 innings!!!!
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Hamfist From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 614 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4031 times:
I agree with a lot of what has been said here. I'm a life-long Braves fan, and my 1980's misery has long been erased. However, in the late 90's I actually found myself asking how much all these great season really mean when they come at the expense of teams with only 1/4 - 1/3 of the payroll.
Notdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4039 times:
People have a short memory. When the players went on strike the last time millions of fans claimed to never return to the ballpark. But over time they did. I am one who did stay away except for one time when I was given free tickets a few years back. I was totally turned off when I found it was $5.50 just to park the car now it's over $8.00. The TX Rangers stadium isn't too far away from me but you will not catch me inside there or watching them on TV. When I was younger I always went to the games or watched or listened to them every single day. But no more watching a bunch of overpaid babies just going through the motions of a game.
Soku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3992 times:
"The boys of summer play baseball. The men of summer play Lacrosse"
I believe you mean boys play *cough* soccer *cough*.
But seriously I used to like baseball but it's just TO FREAKING EXPENSIVE just to go to the game. The only decently priced seats are either standing or far enough that you need binoculars, and concession prices piss me off too gimme a break 4.50 for a hamburger good God. It will be a long time before I ever go to another baseball game. Oh by the way have you ever found a parking space for under 10 bucks??
Bernard Shakey From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 560 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3985 times:
I agree with almost everything said above.
If I'm paying some joker a ridiculous amount of money to pitch and win baseball games for me, I'm damn pissed if the manager of some other team puts an extra 50 pitches on his arm to win an exhibition game. No MVP, that is indeed a joke. Give it to Torii Hunter for that grab.
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Airlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3989 times:
I agree TechRep.. Baseball IS a joke..
When I was a little kid (I am 23 now) my dad used to always take me to the old Tiger Stadium to watch the Detroit Tigers play.. I loved baseball.. My favorite player was Lou Whitaker.. I remember once, my dad picked me up early from school to see the season opener, and another time when we saw the Tigers win the world series..
But what has happened since? Pete Rose and betting.. Strikes.. Bad attitudes, crummy teams.. The players no longer play for the sheer enjoyment of playing the game they love, they do it for the money.. There are VERY FEW players left, if any, that could get past that now.. It's really sad.. I think most of you (in the states and maybe Canada) know how much the Tigers suck... And what did they get to "motivate them"? a new mega-multi-million dollar stadium, to LOSE IN.. They haven't improved a bit.. I am sick and tired of the greedyness among the players.. I hear they're talking about striking AGAIN too!
I can only hope that they regain SOME sanity in the near future, as I don't like seeing my little 10 year old brother actually ADMIRING these ppl, and wanting to be "Just Like Them".. God.. It makes me sick..
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AC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3980 times:
Well I know a bunch of you here probably won't agree with my stance here but i say fight contraction and sign the petition to save a ahem certain team or at least to express your displeasure at the situation Selig's economics are brewing for MLB: http://www.savetheexpos.com/petition.asp
B747ca From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3980 times:
I was listening to the local sport radio (TEAM1050) and they had a sports business analyst on and he strongly believes that both the Expos and the Bluejays are the teams that are going to be contracted.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3942 times:
Airlinelover. If I was raised watching the Detroit Tigers, I would hate baseball too!
Shakey made a good statement with the fact that you don't want a teams best player getting hurt pitching in an exibition. That is why I feel some at least pitchers should be held back incase some think like Tuesday happened. The All-Star game is for the fans. You know, the fans that foot the bill for the mega-million contracts and such, and to havethe game called a tie is an atrocity. Its baseball not Soccer, or Hockey. No ties. Throw Scott Rolen out there to pitch or something. He will give up a quick 14 runs, then the game is over.
Ben88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3941 times:
If they get hurt in an exhibition game then so be it. I read somewhere that one of Ted Williams' best memories was hitting the game winning home run in the 14th inning of a summer exhibition game. How do you run out of players? I remember pitching in Little league for the WHOLE game and throwing as hard as I could. If you're tired or your arm hurts, you just keep throwing! Players are paid so much now that they are treated as porcelain dolls instead of athletes.