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2014 Olympic Boycott Proposal  
User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1748 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

A GOP Senator of South Carolina proposes that the United States boycotts the XXII Olympic Winter games being held in Sochi, Russia, if Russia grants asylum to Edward Snowden.

Quote:
"I love the Olympics, but I hate what the Russian government is doing throughout the world," Graham told NBC. "If they give asylum to a person who I believe has committed treason against the United States, that's taking it to a new level."

Ok, seriously... why would anyone want to boycott the Olympics? Didn't the world learn its lesson from 1980 and 1984? It is extremely childish to do so and all it accomplishes is stripping the privilege of highly trained athletes to become the pride of a nation to compete on the world stage and who have deserved the honor to wave their nations flag in the spirit of competition and fun.

I know a boycott will most likely won't happen, but the proposal to do so, by anyone for any reason, is just outlandish.




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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2469 times:
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Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
I know a boycott will most likely won't happen, but the proposal to do so, by anyone for any reason, is just outlandish.

Erm, we disagree with your assessment. Anything can happen.

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User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):

Of course anything can happen. But Speaker of the House Boehner and the USOC have already spoken against it.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

So will Obama do what Jimmy Carter did? What does Senator Grahmnesty expect to accomplish?


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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Even if those proposing the boycott don't actually want a boycott, and just want their bluster to be heard, that's a big diplomatic mistake. For all we know Russia has no interest in granting asylum to the 29-year-old hypocritical ignorant pissant, but at the same time doesn't want to summarily hand him over to us for fear of looking like the U.S.'s lackey on the world stage. I think the Obama administration is actually doing the right thing (I haven't said that once before and don't expect me to ever say it again) by playing this one quietly. Let Russia hand him over of their own accord; let Russia let the world see it happen that way.


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User currently offlinePvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1213 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Hah what a pathetic hypocrite, through the history United States has helped people who have committed treason or other crimes against countries like China, Russia/Soviet Union, Cuba etc without them boycotting Olympics held in the US. So why should US boycott Olympics in Russia either even if they give Snowden asylum (which won't happen as since death of Soviet Union Russia has been ruled by bunch of greedy thugs with no good principles whatsoever).


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13039 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

I believe the Winter Games in Sochi, Russia has a good chance of being a disaster. That might be a better reason for the USA team to not attend rather than as revenge for Russia's temporary asylum of Snowden. They may not have enough snow and cold weather to properly conduct some events. There has been obscene corruption involved with prep for them. There will not be enough facilities for tourists and I suspect that bribery will be necessary to get anything done.

User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Well... no different than Salt Lake City that way, eh?


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

For an athlete the Olympics are every 4 years, it could be held in the middle of a war they would go. This isn't the 80's anymore, have politicians even the power to prevent them to go ?

All I see is another politician making a bigger deal out of Snowden than necessary, only "enhancing his profile". If Obama was trying to "buy" him from Russia, the price just went up.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2242 times:
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Quoting Airstud (Reply 7):
Well... no different than Salt Lake City that way, eh?

Hell, I was going to say that but didn't want to be branded a USA hater.. but you said it for me!!!



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

It's ONE extreme senator proposing an outlanding idea that has no chance of becoming real. He's just getting his 15 seconds in for the year. The US is not proposing a boycott. I'm sure most read viewers on this site are aware of that.

this thread deserves a "move along folks, nothing to see here" response and it's only purpose is to fuel rabid responses from the anti US contingent on Anet.

Anyhoo, I believe it also had a bit more to do than the Snowden issue. The Syrian situation,, the deteriorating relations between the US and Russia among a few other things. But I loved it today when I was reading a tweet from a gay activist who basically said something to the effect of "darn, and i was hoping Graham was actually coming out in support of gay rights vis a vis Russia's position on gay rights" lol


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
Ok, seriously... why would anyone want to boycott the Olympics? Didn't the world learn its lesson from 1980 and 1984? It is extremely childish to do so and all it accomplishes is stripping the privilege of highly trained athletes to become the pride of a nation to compete on the world stage and who have deserved the honor to wave their nations flag in the spirit of competition and fun.

Haven't you got the memo, pretty much all of the people in congress are children who happen to look like old men .



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
What does Senator Grahmnesty expect to accomplish?

He probably wants to distract from his abysmal record and draw attention away from the notion that he'll probably face a primary opponent. So instead of, you know, doing his job, the POS will grandstand pointlessly.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
A GOP Senator of South Carolina proposes that the United States boycotts the XXII Olympic Winter games being held in Sochi, Russia, if Russia grants asylum to Edward Snowden.

Until this story I'd forgotten that there were any 2014 Olympics in Sochi.

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
It is extremely childish to do so and all it accomplishes is stripping the privilege of highly trained athletes to become the pride of a nation

Pride of the nation? Shouldn't the nation be doing better things? It gives me absolutely no pride as an American that Michael Phelps can swim fast because the closest I've gotten to that feat was getting caught in a rain storm.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
So will Obama do what Jimmy Carter did?

Nobody should ever do what Jimmy Carter did.

Quoting Pvjin (Reply 5):

Hah what a pathetic hypocrite, through the history United States has helped people who have committed treason or other crimes against countries like China, Russia/Soviet Union, Cuba etc without them boycotting Olympics held in the US.

They're more than welcome to boycott if they want. I doubt anyone would miss the nine year old gymnasts, although then the giant Soviet she-monsters would have nothing nothing to do other than admire their schlongs.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7693 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2063 times:
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Boycotting one of the only events the world has in which we truly come together and try to put politics aside is a really shitty thing to do. It doesn't punish the host, it punishes everybody. Probably won't happen, but it's ridiculous even to suggest it, particularly over an issue like this.


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User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1415 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2010 times:

During the cold war, weren't there spies in each other's countries doing the same thing? And weren't there quite a few defectors from both sides? Strange to hear this from the senator who is old enough to remember the cold war era.

User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1994 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
Pride of the nation? Shouldn't the nation be doing better things? It gives me absolutely no pride as an American that Michael Phelps can swim fast because the closest I've gotten to that feat was getting caught in a rain storm.

That hits close to home for me because I used to be a competitive swimmer and me and my teammates looked up to those athletes...

Quoting blrsea (Reply 15):
Strange to hear this from the senator who is old enough to remember the cold war era.

Every senator is old enough to remember the Civil War era.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14):
Boycotting one of the only events the world has in which we truly come together and try to put politics aside is a really shitty thing to do. It doesn't punish the host, it punishes everybody. Probably won't happen, but it's ridiculous even to suggest it, particularly over an issue like this.

Agreed



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14):
Boycotting one of the only events the world has in which we truly come together and try to put politics aside is a really shitty thing to do.

Cuba should boycott the summer Olympics anyway, since we already have most of what would be their baseball team.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 16):
That hits close to home for me because I used to be a competitive swimmer and me and my teammates looked up to those athletes...

Then look up to him, but this "pride of a nation" thing is crap. It's a lazy line of thinking. The crime rate in Jamaica doesn't drop when Usain Bolt runs fast.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17348 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
if Russia grants asylum to Edward Snowden.

Screw Snowden. I'm for boycotting Russia because of its recent atrocious anti LGBT "legislation". This is a country that willingly would hurt its own orphans for political gain. Also, but on a smaller note, for the crap hole that is SVO 



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7830 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Screw Snowden. I'm for boycotting Russia because of its recent atrocious anti LGBT "legislation".

I thought that was what this thread was gonna be about. Guess I shouldn't be surprised that it is some GOP politician saying something stupid and overreacting



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Yes. Boycott the Olympics and we'll see how ignorant Sen. Graham R-SC is. How ridiculous.

I'm starting a campaign on Monday to lambast him for his stupidity and idiotic reactionism.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 19):
Guess I shouldn't be surprised that it is some GOP politician saying something stupid and overreacting
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 20):
Yes. Boycott the Olympics and we'll see how ignorant Sen. Graham R-SC is. How ridiculous.

President Jimmy Carter did the exact same thing in 1980.

Quoting slider (Reply 12):
He probably wants to distract from his abysmal record and draw attention away from the notion that he'll probably face a primary opponent. So instead of, you know, doing his job, the POS will grandstand pointlessly.

He will face a challenge from a Tea Party candidate. This is South Carolina so a Tea Party candidate can win easily there. Him and his male companion/assistant may be moving out of their upscale condo that they share in Washington DC at the end of next year.

Quoting blrsea (Reply 15):
Strange to hear this from the senator who is old enough to remember the cold war era.

Huh?
The Cold War just ended in 1991. Unless you're some young whippersnapper millennial, everyone remembers the Cold War Era.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Screw Snowden. I'm for boycotting Russia because of its recent atrocious anti LGBT "legislation".

That may be the real reason why Senator Lindsey Graham is calling for a boycott. He is rumored to be a closet homosexual. Of course he can't be open about representing a state in the Bible-belt.



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User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5364 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):

That may be the real reason why Senator Lindsey Graham is calling for a boycott. He is rumored to be a closet homosexual. Of course he can't be open about representing a state in the Bible-belt.

FWIW Fly, the rumors are about as widely regarded as the rumors of Strom's illegitimate bi-racial daughter. That is to say, everyone is pretty sure they're true but avoids talking about or publicly acknowledging it.

It's also worth noting that he's up for reelection in 2014 and will likely face a more conservative challenger in the primaries. I think Graham is trying to posture here. That, or that bitch Johnny Weir stopped returning his calls.

[Edited 2013-07-19 07:50:38]


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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Does this idiot realize that such an action will self-ban the USA from the next Olympics as well?


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17348 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

On the bright side, it sounds like a corrupt, expensive disaster in the making, even by Olympic standards.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/54048484/

http://www.economist.com/news/europe...r-rich-pickings-select-few-castles

"In many ways Sochi is an odd choice for the winter games. It has a subtropical climate and is one of the very few places in Russia where snow is scarce. The opening and closing ceremonies will be held close to the Black Sea on swampy ground, once infested by malarial mosquitoes. Temperatures there rarely fall below zero. The lower slopes of the Caucasus Mountains are not guaranteed snow, so the organisers have stored last winter’s."

"Allison Stewart, of the SAID Business School at Oxford, says that Olympics tend to have cost overruns of about 180% on average. For Sochi the overrun is now 500%. But Russia made clear that money was not an issue, says Ms Stewart. She also notes that relations between the government and construction companies appear closer in Sochi than in other games. Large construction projects often have a side-effect of corruption. But in Russia corruption is not a side-effect: it is a product almost as important as the sporting event itself."

There are so many reasons to boycott this--Snowden is not one of them.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19411 posts, RR: 58
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Screw Snowden. I'm for boycotting Russia because of its recent atrocious anti LGBT "legislation".

The IOC has already warned Russia that all athletes and spectators must be guaranteed safety regardless of sexual orientation.

If Russia gets stubborn, I wonder if the IOC will have the backbone to either cancel the games or to move them to a recent venue that already has the facilities built.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17348 posts, RR: 46
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 25):
If Russia gets stubborn, I wonder if the IOC will have the backbone to either cancel the games or to move them to a recent venue that already has the facilities built.

   Right after FIFA helps the poor in Brazil.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19411 posts, RR: 58
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 26):
Right after FIFA helps the poor in Brazil.

Well, a New Zealand speed skater has said that he will show up, he will not be in the closet, and he is going to be wearing a rainbow pin on his uniform. If he gets arrested, he's prepared for that.

If Russia starts arresting foreign visitors and athletes for being gay, it will be a PR nightmare for Russia.


User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 18
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):

Malarial mosquitoes? Your arguement is as good as my toilet paper just from that statement...

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 27):

To readers from the U.S. - we ate not arresting anybody for being gay. Start using other resources for your news sources...



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17348 posts, RR: 46
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 28):

Malarial mosquitoes? Your arguement is as good as my toilet paper just from that statement...

Your toilet paper must be prescient as there is plenty of evidence that there was rampant malaria in the area in the early 1900s.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 22):
FWIW Fly, the rumors are about as widely regarded as the rumors of Strom's illegitimate bi-racial daughter. That is to say, everyone is pretty sure they're true but avoids talking about or publicly acknowledging it.

Well that story was publicly acknowledged and is not longer a rumor. That is fact.
As far as Lindsay Graham being gay, people are starting to talk.
Even in South Carolina.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgQgWcJ_3Tg



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19411 posts, RR: 58
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 28):
To readers from the U.S. - we ate not arresting anybody for being gay. Start using other resources for your news sources...

Yes you are.


User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5364 posts, RR: 53
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):

Well that story was publicly acknowledged and is not longer a rumor. That is fact.
As far as Lindsay Graham being gay, people are starting to talk.
Even in South Carolina.

I meant when Strom was still alive and before it became substantiated. And yes, I know people are starting to talk. They've been talking for years. You forget I'm from there.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 28):
we ate not arresting anybody for being gay

Of course not. You're just arresting people for showing that they're gay.



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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 18
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 33):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):

Name one person.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 29):

And? Last I checked the year is 2013.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 34):
Name one person.

How about dozens?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...sted-at-gay-pride-rally-in-russia/



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1617 times:

I am concerned that this came from one the smarter and more level headed Republicans. He is probably looking at the primary next year, and wanting to make himself look strong against "America's enemies", but he is just making himself look like an idiot (which IMHO he isn't). It's starting to get depressing how far the GOP have been dragged to the right. All democracies need an effective opposition (and I say that as a Democrat) . If the likes of Graham can't get out of primary, then the GOP senate caucus will become as rabid as the House.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7830 posts, RR: 52
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1583 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
President Jimmy Carter did the exact same thing in 1980.

And I think that was silly too.

Quoting tu204 (Reply 28):
To readers from the U.S. - we ate not arresting anybody for being gay. Start using other resources for your news sources...

What are you guys doing then? (Non confrontational, legitimate question.) I've heard some pretty bad things but I think it's only right to let a Russian tell us from his prospective...



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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 18
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1589 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 35):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 37):

You will not be arrested for BEING gay. You can be as gay as you want to but gay pride parades are not accepted by the population and it is unlikely that any city authority will authorize them in the near future. That is very different from going to jail for BEING gay. Especially if you want to organize or attend an unauthorized rally.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7830 posts, RR: 52
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1580 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 38):
Especially if you want to organize or attend an unauthorized rally.

I can see rally authorization (you need protest permits or something like that in the US) but why can't you have a gay pride parade if you go through the normal channels? Because the "majority" doesn't support gay marriage? Sounds like the deep South in the US in the 1950s against blacks. It was majority rule that black people should be separate from white people in restaurants and the like.

Civil rights should not be majority rule. I know the US has different laws than Russia, but denying people from expressing their sexual orientation (in a reasonable way) sounds pretty bigoted, majority opinion or not. Or am I misunderstanding it?



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2576 posts, RR: 7
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 38):
You will not be arrested for BEING gay. You can be as gay as you want to but gay pride parades are not accepted by the population and it is unlikely that any city authority will authorize them in the near future. That is very different from going to jail for BEING gay. Especially if you want to organize or attend an unauthorized rally.

You're either willfully ignorant or a liar.
Take your choice.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2994 posts, RR: 8
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
It is extremely childish to do so and all it accomplishes is stripping the privilege of highly trained athletes to become the pride of a nation

Pride of the nation? Shouldn't the nation be doing better things? It gives me absolutely no pride as an American that Michael Phelps can swim fast because the closest I've gotten to that feat was getting caught in a rain storm.

So...let's do away with the Olympics? No more US representation? Let other, inferior nations compete while the US focuses on more important things...like abortion, Christmas, and finding the next short-lived scandal?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19411 posts, RR: 58
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 33):
Of course not. You're just arresting people for showing that they're gay.

Or for suggesting that a law that will remove children from gay parents (even biological) is wrong. Or for suggesting that any sort of basic civil rights for gays should exist. All of these things are "inciting hate" under Russian law.

Oh, and apparently publicly criticising Mr. Putin also gets you slapped with bogus charges for embezzlement or other such crimes commonly used by despot dictatorships.

I remember being a kid back in 1991 when the iron curtain fell and a jubilant crowd waved a new flag in front of the Kremlin. We had such high hopes.


User currently onlinejohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 22):
It's also worth noting that he's up for reelection in 2014 and will likely face a more conservative challenger in the primaries

More conservative? Now that's scary...


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 38):
You will not be arrested for BEING gay. You can be as gay as you want to but gay pride parades are not accepted by the population and it is unlikely that any city authority will authorize them in the near future. That is very different from going to jail for BEING gay. Especially if you want to organize or attend an unauthorized rally.

I never said that they would be arrested for being gay, remember? But you've confirmed my point that being proud to be gay and showing it in Russia is a crime.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 39):
Sounds like the deep South in the US in the 1950s against blacks. It was majority rule that black people should be separate from white people in restaurants and the like.

Well it's a little different here. People in the deep South hated blacks because they perceived Africans as being an inferior race...whereas the Russians have a problem with gays because the Russian Orthodox Church says so.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 42):
Oh, and apparently publicly criticising Mr. Putin also gets you slapped with bogus charges for embezzlement or other such crimes commonly used by despot dictatorships.

Ah yes, I read about that last night. An excellent example of preventive repression if I've ever seen one.

Even so, I still don't believe in boycotting the Olympics. The Games are above political strife, and every nation should take part no matter where it's held. But it does call into question the exact criteria that the IOC based their vote on...



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7830 posts, RR: 52
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 44):
Well it's a little different here. People in the deep South hated blacks because they perceived Africans as being an inferior race...whereas the Russians have a problem with gays because the Russian Orthodox Church says so.

Religion had a lot to do with it. Look at the KKK, many people forget it's a Christian organization (at least it was IIRC.) The mixing of races or something in the Bible, and how Cain was marked (black) by a curse from God or something, IDK



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 41):
So...let's do away with the Olympics?

I could live without it. So could most of the cities that spend money hosting them I suspect, but that's not the point.

The point is that some American doing well at a sport does not reflect on the country or myself as an American. It reflects on one person or a team who actually did something. And don't think for a second that those same people wouldn't compete with something besides "USA" on their chests, which is exactly what many do even if it's hardly noticed by most people. Do we all get together to watch luge competitions when it doesn't give people an excuse to do their stupid "USA" chant?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 32):
I meant when Strom was still alive and before it became substantiated. And yes, I know people are starting to talk. They've been talking for years. You forget I'm from there.

Oh I know you're from there. Did that story come out just before he died or just after?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 36):
It's starting to get depressing how far the GOP have been dragged to the right.

The Democrats have their fair-share of left-wing extremist but does that reflect the entire party?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 36):
If the likes of Graham can't get out of primary, then the GOP senate caucus will become as rabid as the House.

Interesting times ahead. The GOP is expected to win the Senate next year.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 41):
So...let's do away with the Olympics? No more US representation? Let other, inferior nations compete while the US focuses on more important things...like abortion, Christmas, and finding the next short-lived scandal?

Haha!
We still need the Olympics. I still like to watch women's beach volleyball and women's swimming. Yes I know this is the winter Olympic, not the summer Olympics which has those sports.
The Olympics have been held in more controversial countries before. Nazi Germany is one example.

Quoting johns624 (Reply 43):
More conservative? Now that's scary...

Lindsey Graham is a moderate representing a conservative state.



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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 18
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 44):

You can be proud to be gay. Why do you have to show it off in a parade I do not understand however. Especially when doing so antagonizes a large part of the population. Also take into account what happened at the unauthorized "parades" in Moscow. The Police are there, they turn a blind eye and only start apprehending people when the gay protesters start getting attacked and beaten by the radical Christians/Jews/Muslims. (talk about putting your religious differences aside, eh?)

Quoting johnboy (Reply 40):

Well, not sure about myself, but with that comment you have proven to me that you are definitely ignorant. And you don't get a choice.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 39):
I can see rally authorization (you need protest permits or something like that in the US) but why can't you have a gay pride parade if you go through the normal channels? Because the "majority" doesn't support gay marriage? Sounds like the deep South in the US in the 1950s against blacks. It was majority rule that black people should be separate from white people in restaurants and the like.

Civil rights should not be majority rule. I know the US has different laws than Russia, but denying people from expressing their sexual orientation (in a reasonable way) sounds pretty bigoted, majority opinion or not. Or am I misunderstanding it?

But I don't see that as such a big problem as people put it to be. You can be openly gay, there are plenty of gay clubs in cities all over Russia (with the exception of the South, which is mainly Muslim), you can walk with your boyfriend holding hands on the street and so on and so on. I really don't see why these parades are such an important issue. Especially if the majority of the population gets outright pissed at them! Heck, plenty of gay people also think that these parades are counter productive (not only in Russia, but in western countries as well).

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 42):
I remember being a kid back in 1991 when the iron curtain fell and a jubilant crowd waved a new flag in front of the Kremlin. We had such high hopes.

I shudder when I think of the 90's and most Russians living in Russia probably will not tell you too many positive things about that awful decade.
We didn't have many "high hopes" when the current administration took office in 2000 and that incompetent fool (Yeltsin) left, but most of us are pleasantly surprised. Should you visit Russia, I don't suggest you mention how "good it was" in the 90's. People may think you are a lunatic.



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

This idea is absolutely stupid. I am actually sick of Lindsey Graham..as I think he runs his mouth a lot and I don't agree with him on a lot of things. The notion that granting asylum to a person who took actions that many americans actually agree with (I am not saying I do), is on the same level as invading a foreign country with your military, is deplorable. And part of the Olympic spirit is that Sports are supposed to transcend politics. I know that doesn't always happen.

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 48):
You can be proud to be gay.

But you just can't show it, or else it's "propaganda".

Quoting tu204 (Reply 48):
Why do you have to show it off in a parade I do not understand however. Especially when doing so antagonizes a large part of the population.

Why do sports teams have parades in their home city when they win the championship? I'm sure most of the population isn't happy that that team won the championship and not theirs.

Maybe Russians could take a page out of Westerner's books and just learn to ignore some things. I know many people that don't approve of homosexuality, so when it's that one day a year when the Toronto Pride Parade takes place, they just stay away from the street it takes place on. The police are on every corner to make sure nothing gets out-of-hand, people have a good time, and it's all over in about 2 hours.

Simple.

Quoting tu204 (Reply 48):
The Police are there, they turn a blind eye and only start apprehending people when the gay protesters start getting attacked and beaten by the radical Christians/Jews/Muslims. (talk about putting your religious differences aside, eh?)

Except gay people were being arrested. Why should the people being attacked be arrested? Kind of backwards, eh?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7830 posts, RR: 52
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 48):
You can be proud to be gay. Why do you have to show it off in a parade I do not understand however. Especially when doing so antagonizes a large part of the population.
Quoting tu204 (Reply 48):
I really don't see why these parades are such an important issue. Especially if the majority of the population gets outright pissed at them! Heck, plenty of gay people also think that these parades are counter productive (not only in Russia, but in western countries as well).

Doesn't really matter to me why they want to do it. If I was gay, I doubt I'd partake in them. And I don't really care who gets "upset" or not. At least over here (not familiar with Russian law) people have the right and freedom to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others. More or less, anyway, you and I can think of a hundred examples of the US and European governments going against that, no doubt. It's the general mindset I'm talking about, before the politicians get their dirty hands on it.

I don't see how Russians are harmed by seeing a bunch of pride parades besides getting butthurt (that's not the kind of harm I'm talking about.) I'm not talking about parades clogging up streets, disrupting traffic, etc. I mean if yall are gonna be so hostile to the idea of expression by a minority group, maybe your country is as bad as the stereotypes say. I tried to hear you out, but it just sounds like intolerance to me. The bottom line is if you want to have a, IDK, Russian football team parade, a Russian Orthodox parade, etc etc you can (right?) but if it's gay pride then you can't. I don't see how that's not a bigoted double standard



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2321 posts, RR: 13
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 15):
During the cold war, weren't there spies in each other's countries doing the same thing? And weren't there quite a few defectors from both sides? Strange to hear this from the senator who is old enough to remember the cold war era.

Spies, spies, spies, spies.

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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 18
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 50):
But you just can't show it, or else it's "propaganda".

Sure you can show it. You can't have parades or billboards depicting it though. I also think that the terminology of this law will be revisited very soon as there is no clear definition for "propaganda" in the law.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 50):
Why do sports teams have parades in their home city when they win the championship? I'm sure most of the population isn't happy that that team won the championship and not theirs.

Yes, I would say that is a bit different though. There you are celebrating an event, a victory of a sports team.
With gay pride parades you celebrate what? The fact that you are gay? I don't celebrate the fact that I am straight at all to be honest with you...especially not in public. Do you also celebrate your sexual preferences? I-like-black(white/latino/asian)-girls(/guys)-parade?
Another point about your sports team analogy is flawed: the parade to celebrate the victory of said sports team usually occurs in the home town of the sports team where the majority of the population would support its victory. Can you picture what would happen if the Boston Bruins had their 2011 Stanley Cup parade in Vancouver where the majority of the locals weren't too supporting of Boston for some reason?

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 51):

Hard to answer. All I can say is that the majority of Russians look on the whole "gay issue" either neutrally or negatively and I would not say that the Church has much to do with this perception. But what I do know for sure is that the more of these "attempted parades" occur, the worse the public views gays. Like for example passing a law like this in reaction to a few demonstrations by some gay activists that got out of hand.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 50):
Except gay people were being arrested. Why should the people being attacked be arrested? Kind of backwards, eh?

Nah, not really. A bunch of the "other side" was also thrown in the "party van" for disturbing the peace. Most are usually released the next day. My point there was that the police did not interfere against the gay activists even though they were breaking the law by staging an unsanctioned meeting until they clashed. And quite a few commentators viewed this actually as the police protecting the gay activists.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7830 posts, RR: 52
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 53):
But what I do know for sure is that the more of these "attempted parades" occur, the worse the public views gays. Like for example passing a law like this in reaction to a few demonstrations by some gay activists that got out of hand.

That's not the point though. If it's with their rights to do so and they are denied, that is wrong. When black Americans organized sit ins (which actually were illegal) and parades/protests in the south in the 1950s, much of the public had more negative view of black Americans. Just like I don't think someone's racism should determine what people can/can't do, I don' think people's homophobia should either.

I mean your country, not mine, but when people bash on Russia don't be surprised



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19411 posts, RR: 58
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1298 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 48):
I shudder when I think of the 90's and most Russians living in Russia probably will not tell you too many positive things about that awful decade.

We had hoped in the US that the USSR's successor would figure out a way to turn into a modern democracy. It failed to do so and is rapidly becoming an Orthodox theocracy.

Quoting tu204 (Reply 53):
Sure you can show it. You can't have parades or billboards depicting it though. I also think that the terminology of this law will be revisited very soon as there is no clear definition for "propaganda" in the law.

With good reason. It allows them to lock up anyone they like for any reason they like. All it takes is one rainbow pin.

Mark my words: a Uganda-style law is coming. Already there is talk of recriminalizing

Quoting tu204 (Reply 48):
You can be openly gay, there are plenty of gay clubs in cities all over Russia (with the exception of the South, which is mainly Muslim), you can walk with your boyfriend holding hands on the street and so on and so on.

Many gay bars in Moscow have been shut down, some of them violently. And you'd be an idiot to walk hand-in-hand with your boyfriend in most Russian cities.

Clearly you know nothing about affairs in your own country.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/russian-parliament-vote-anti-gay-bill In other words, if you in any way suggest that gays have a right to life itself, you can be locked up. And that, of course, is defined by the very professional and never corrupt Russian police. There are reports of people being arrested for holding hands, kissing, wearing rainbows, or suggesting that the law is wrong.

That is what is going on in your country. Time to learn.


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1068 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1280 times:
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Quoting tu204 (Reply 53):
With gay pride parades you celebrate what? The fact that you are gay? I don't celebrate the fact that I am straight at all to be honest with you...especially not in public. Do you also celebrate your sexual preferences? I-like-black(white/latino/asian)-girls(/guys)-parade?

Your straight privilege is showing. Ever kissed a girl in public? Ever hugged or held hands or walked down the street arm in arm? Then yes you have celebrated the fact that you are straight in public.

Straight people don't need a parade because they have freedom and privilege every day. It is totally normal to see a man and a woman kissing. Seeing two men kissing is taboo. That is the whole point of PRIDE, to normalize Queer relationships, and that Queer people really and truly exist. It is a celebration also, of being able and free to love who you love. Why straight people have a problem getting on board with that is beyond me.



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