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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7712 posts, RR: 21
Posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

If there's any truth to this woman's side of the story, this judgement is beyond cruel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-raped-Dubai-jailed-16-months.html

A Norwegian woman who claims to have been raped has been sentenced to 16 months in jail for sex outside of marriage. It's not the first time we've heard of this, as mentioned in the article.

Is it really true that a rapist in the UAE can only be found guilty if he either confesses, or the crime is witnessed by four adult males?!  Wow!


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

"Under UAE law, rapists can only be convicted if either the perpetrator confesses or if four adult Muslim males witness the crime."

Wow



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17661 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 2):
"Under UAE law, rapists can only be convicted if either the perpetrator confesses or if four adult Muslim males witness the crime."

Who *wouldn't* want to vacation and move their business there?



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

No real surprise.
It has happened before, it will happen again

http://freethinker.co.uk/2013/05/13/...an-woman-after-she-was-gang-raped/


//Edit to remove sarcasm.


There is a real problem with the application of sharia law . There is also a real problem with trying to alter Sharia to deal with obvious discrepancies in the Quran's treatment of women

[Edited 2013-07-18 11:36:19]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7712 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 3):
No real surprise.
It has happened before, it will happen again

The real surprise for me here is the claim about how only a confession or four adult male witnesses can lead to conviction. If true then it's not just wrong, it's utterly insane. Can anyone in the know confirm whether that's actually correct?



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
only a confession or four adult male witnesses can lead to

It's not the only way. The perpetrator can confess.  



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
The real surprise for me here is the claim about how only a confession or four adult male witnesses can lead to conviction. If true then it's not just wrong, it's utterly insane. Can anyone in the know confirm whether that's actually correct?

For real. I mean think about it, three Muslim males saying a guy raped a girl is not even enough. 1000 non-Muslims could say the same thing and there wouldn't be enough proof. I think sometimes when a guy is accused of rape he's judged unfairly and it becomes a he-said-she-said but we'll believe her anyway, but that's for another thread. This is just absurd.

What do you think they were thinking when they came up with *4* Muslim males? I can see (though I disagree) with the male part or the Muslim part, but 4? WTF



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6358 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4387 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Who *wouldn't* want to vacation and move their business there?

Those that have a lot of money and forget that Dubai is not Las Vegas, plus too much Discovery Channel watching.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
The real surprise for me here is the claim about how only a confession or four adult male witnesses can lead to conviction. If true then it's not just wrong, it's utterly insane. Can anyone in the know confirm whether that's actually correct?

It´s actually correct. And I understand your outrage. But it´s nothing new. That´s the way it´s always been in those parts. Glitzy buildings, expensive hotels, insane indoors ski centers, and an airline that seems to be all mighty and all powerful aside, Dubai is still the UAE.

And as it been said. It has happened before, will happen again.

I wonder how the World Cup in Qatar will turn up with the huge amount of foreigners they are incapable right now of accommodating and with their equally archaic laws.

[Edited 2013-07-18 11:50:52]

User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6860 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

How cosmopolitan of them.

Yes, such a wonderfully advanced locale.

It's a shame Norway doesn't have an extradition treaty, but if I were a Norwegian official, I'd seriously question the jurisdiction of this.

If I had faith in the UN, I'd expect them to step in, but they won't. What a bassackwards place. Ah, more tolerance and reason from the followers of the most peaceful religion on earth.


User currently offlinePvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Just saw this in the news, UAE indeed seems to be a real rapists paradise, I wonder if Saudi Arabia and others in the region are just as insane?


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7712 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 6):
For real. I mean think about it, three Muslim males saying a guy raped a girl is not even enough. 1000 non-Muslims could say the same thing and there wouldn't be enough proof. I think sometimes when a guy is accused of rape he's judged unfairly and it becomes a he-said-she-said but we'll believe her anyway, but that's for another thread. This is just absurd.

And another thing - what a great way to get rid of an enemy. Four of you get together and say you saw him rape someone who is also in on it, et voila - off with his head!

Quoting casinterest (Reply 5):

Dude, I wrote that.



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User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

One wonders - if four adult muslim men are witnessing a rape, wouldn't they do something to stop it? And if a man can abduct a woman and rape her in solitude, then he can basically any woman that he wants!

Unfortunately, these countries follow the sharia, and the law is in sharia so not much can be done to the rape victim. It is followed by many Islamic countries unfortunately.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
If there's any truth to this woman's side of the story, this judgement is beyond cruel.

Jailing women for having sex outside of marriage is beyond cruel.

Jailing someone for reporting a rape? I would not hesitate to kill any judge, jury member, or police officer that attempted such a thing. It is simply indefensible, and incompatible with human rights.


And I am in no way blaming the victim, but this is why (in any city) you don't accept drinks from strangers, and why you should do basic research before visiting anywhere.

Quoting slider (Reply 8):

It's a shame Norway doesn't have an extradition treaty, but if I were a Norwegian official, I'd seriously question the jurisdiction of this.

There's no question of jurisdiction. She was in Dubai and under the jurisdiction of their laws.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7712 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 12):
And I am in no way blaming the victim, but this is why (in any city) you don't accept drinks from strangers, and why you should do basic research before visiting anywhere.

It's the sort of thing that guarantees no matter how many nice shopping centres they build, or how cheap their flights are, I will never set foot in that country, even in transit. You could be unlucky enough to be served a roll with poppy seeds on your flight and get some jail time that way too.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):
Dude, I wrote that

oops my bad



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3506 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4326 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):

If there's any truth to this woman's side of the story, this judgement is beyond cruel.

Surprising but i agree with you 100%.

Quoting slider (Reply 8):
What a bassackwards place. Ah, more tolerance and reason from the followers of the most peaceful religion on earth.

Here you go with your usual comments you do not give up. it's becoming so boring.
This is there law, has nothing to do with religion.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 12):
I would not hesitate to kill any judge, jury member, or police officer that attempted such a thing. It is simply indefensible, and incompatible with human rights.

Agree again, but please don't do it in the UAE prisons there are not fun and if you commit murder you might loose your head.

Quoting blrsea (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, these countries follow the sharia, and the law is in sharia so not much can be done to the rape victim. It is followed by many Islamic countries unfortunately.

True in part but i could not find anything in Islam where you can base such a law concerning rape.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7712 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 16):
Surprising but i agree with you 100%.

Doesn't surprise me at all.  



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 16):
This is there law, has nothing to do with religion.

So Sharia is based on what?

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 16):
True in part but i could not find anything in Islam where you can base such a law concerning rape.

Apparently a bunch of Sharia judges have found it .

Bunch of examples out there . People are sentenced to death for adultery when the accuse rape and can't prove it. In the minds of the sharia, the women had sexual intercourse and cannot prove rape, so they must be guilty of a crime, and remember, the husband can't commit rape in Sharia.


http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=6157



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

As much as I sympathize with her plight she partially brought that upon herself... the prison sentence part.
It must have been a horrible experience to be raped but she should have known she is in a country where her standing as a female is by default and by definition unequal to that of males. Just because there are Starbucks and Gucci in Dubai does not mean the laws are any less draconian.
She should have consulted her situation with the consulate/embassy before being silly and running to the first police station, because everyone since the Ancient Rome era knows that Ignorantia legis neminem excusat.

Quoting slider (Reply 8):
If I had faith in the UN, I'd expect them to step in, but they won't.

"We will be very angry with you and we will write you a letter telling you how angry we are..." http://youtu.be/UIPSvIz9NDs UN is good only for organizing yet another Durban Conference bitchfest.

Quoting blrsea (Reply 11):
It is followed by many Islamic countries unfortunately.

If only islamic... Wasn't there a judge in Germany not too long ago who took multiculturalism to another, even more bizarre level, who argued her(!!!) ruling in a civil case based on some twisted sharia principle because because parties involved were muslim?


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7712 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 21):
she partially brought that upon herself...

NO. If she got raped then absolutely NONE of this situation is her fault.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 21):
She should have consulted her situation with the consulate/embassy before being silly and running to the first police station, because everyone since the Ancient Rome era knows that Ignorantia legis neminem excusat.

Right, because when you've been the victim of a rape in a foreign land you're thinking just soooo perfectly.   



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 22):
NO. If she got raped then absolutely NONE of this situation is her fault.

I am sure a good Sharia judge and Cleric would argue that she should have not been out unaccompanied by a male relative, and thus she is even more deserving of punishment



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6358 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3952 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 13):
This story outrages me. It should outrage EVERYONE.

You are right in being outraged. But I think that more outrageous is the publicity a place like this receives. With all the glitz and glamour, people forget that breaking certain "laws" or being involved in traumatic and tragic circumstances have much much dire consequences than in other places.

When I used to work with people with substance abuse problems I inevitably ended up once in a while with traces of said substances in my clothes, my hair, my shoes even my body.

At least twice a year I had to travel to conferences around the world. Once they sent me a a ticket for someplace but on the return I had to transit through Dubai. I said NO WAY, I´m not spending a good chunk of my life in a UAE jail because someone at the airport found a seed of pot stuck in the bottom of my shoe. They refused to change it, I did not go.

All these things need to get out. People need to stop patronizing and spending their money in these countries where they will send a rape victim to jail while at the same time let a drug addicted, child molester live there for years no problem.

I can do without the indoors ski track, or flying C on Emirates.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7712 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 21):
Once they sent me a a ticket for someplace but on the return I had to transit through Dubai. I said NO WAY, I´m not spending a good chunk of my life in a UAE jail because someone at the airport found a seed of pot stuck in the bottom of my shoe. They refused to change it, I did not go.

Good choice mate. I wouldn't go there for love nor money. If they don't like the look of your face on arrival they could 'decide' to 'find' probably any drug you can think of.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3928 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 19):
NO. If she got raped then absolutely NONE of this situation is her fault.

There is a difference between blaming someone and thinking they should have been more cautious. I think the whole "don't blame the victim" thing is a disservice. When girls go running at night and get raped, it's totally 0% their fault and they should be able to run at night. But it does no good to not warn against that. Same here, women should be able to go to the UAE and not get raped, but it a problem and we should warn females to be extra careful in the UAE even though they are not in the wrong

It's frustrating because we can't even have an honest debate or be able to warn girls. Whenever the rape subject comes up, I don't even bother offering advice like watch where you're drinks are, bring a friend, etc because people that do say that often get yelled at for "blaming the victim"

Again, I'm not even saying a tiny fraction of it was her fault



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7712 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 23):
There is a difference between blaming someone and thinking they should have been more cautious

There is - and that is the crucial point. There's no excuse for rape, but clearly taking precautions to avoid it as with any crime is desirable where practical. I just don't think that words like 'liable' or 'blame' apply in a crime like that though.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 23):
It's frustrating because we can't even have an honest debate or be able to warn girls. Whenever the rape subject comes up, I don't even bother offering advice like watch where you're drinks are, bring a friend, etc because people that do say that often get yelled at for "blaming the victim"

We absolutely can and indeed should have that debate, but please remember that the original comment from one poster that set me off on this particular tangent was "....she partially brought that upon herself". There is a big difference between educating about dangers and reducing risk, and suggesting some kind of fault on her part. Rest assured I would never be critical of raising awareness of risks and so on.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 23):
Again, I'm not even saying a tiny fraction of it was her fault

I do get your point, and I'm grateful for your clarification.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 21):
With all the glitz and glamour, people forget that breaking certain "laws" or being involved in traumatic and tragic circumstances have much much dire consequences than in other places.

Like I said before, the place is a wolf in sheep's clothing, and it doesn't surprise me that many people will go there believing the place to be totally fine.



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25 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I get what you are saying, sorry, a nerve of mine was hit When I read that same comment I perceived it differently so I think it all depends on one's
26 jpetekyxmd80 : Dubai is a perfect microcosm of the idiom 'lipstick on a pig'. Too bad (not really) this didn't happen to an American. I know what i'd do if I were in
27 Post contains links AyostoLeon : This is not only outrageous but also disgusting. To convict a person who reports an offence without any attempt to verify facts would be problematic e
28 DeltaMD90 : Well isn't it "innocent until proven guilty?" I guess that would make it harder to prove rapes but at the same time, our justice system requires it..
29 L410Turbolet : I don't see why you get so emotional about what I wrote earlier. There is big difference between emotionally jumping to conclusions and reading prope
30 AR385 : I suppose that is the basis of the common law system but it does not hold on the Napoleonic code based systems, which is what applies in most of the
31 AyostoLeon : @ DeltaMD90 - Well isn't it "guilty until proven innocent?" Not as far as the alleged victim of rape is concerned. The alleged rapist - the accused -
32 DeltaMD90 : My bad, I wrote it backwards. I meant "innocent until proven guilty" I was wondering where AyostoLeon was going with what he was saying, it sounded l
33 Post contains links AyostoLeon : @ DeltaMD90 Far from it , although there has been plenty of debate in the legal fraternity and among feminists who have suggested that the burden of p
34 DeltaMD90 : Ah I see. I'm not sure I'd want to shift the burden of proof although I think we may go about the recovery process a bit better. Often it is very mec
35 DocLightning : Yes it does. It even specifies the religion of the witnesses. They sure did, didn't they? Look, you can be reasonable about Islam but right now you'r
36 SOBHI51 : This is in the UAE nothing to do with me really, but i can only express myself here. Unfortunately. Also as you said i am trying to defend Islam as a
37 blueflyer : There are plenty of critics who argue that the standard of proof has been effectively reversed in colleges and universities because they are under so
38 DocLightning : They claim there is. So who is the authority? You or them? Fundamental problem with religion. The only "authority" seems stubbornly quiet.
39 Post contains images solnabo : She was an infidel christian that didn´t wear the coalsack and was tipsy after she and her girlfriends (with a male escort, wich is law in UAE) visit
40 SOBHI51 : Doc if you want to believe those people go ahead, but i am sure that there is no such laws in the Koran or hadith. Those laws are more tribal laws da
41 DocLightning : Not on my read, either (I've read Q'uran, not Hadith). But what you are saying is precisely the underpinning of why separation of church and state is
42 SOBHI51 : On a better news 3 British subjects caught with drugs on them (last July) and sentenced to 4 years in prison were released today by a special pardon d
43 Post contains images AY-MD11 : Lesson to learn here for others who plan to go to countries where laws like this exist. You cant change them laws so better to stay out from there. I
44 stealthz : That's better news, you can carry, likely use, possibly traffic and get pardoned.. yet you can be attacked and raped by a throwback to the stone age
45 qf002 : This is a horrible thing for a young woman to be experiencing, absolutely, but it could have easily been avoided. She wasn't in any way responsible fo
46 AyostoLeon : @ stealthz "It is high time the Middle East dragged itself out of the dark ages and joined the world." Which world would that be? The one that approve
47 stealthz : Take your thread hijacking to a new thread and I will be happy to debate what should be done about Illegal immigrants posing as refugees!!
48 stealthz : Those that are saying the women are at fault for reporting the crime are in many ways just as backward and living in a different world as the Dubai c
49 RussianJet : I think that's probably a bit harsh, as there is a big different between saying it's her fault and saying she might have prevented it, but I do think
50 Post contains images mandala499 : LOL! U know that's sometimes harder than it is. The glitz of Dubai is an attraction for women here seeking a better career... Before we were married,
51 DocLightning : I'm an American who doesn't believe in a lot of my country's actions. I vote accordingly. I'm also actively considering a different country.
52 Post contains images SOBHI51 : I said it is not, Mandala499 said the same, but you say it does, prove it. You do have that luxury to do that, age wise, at 63 i don't. Correct 100%
53 AR385 : She´s been sentenced to 16 months in jail for having extramarital sex, false testimony and alcohol consumption. Previously an Australian woman got 11
54 Mortyman : Your point ?
55 DocLightning : You cannot tell me that Sharia law has nothing to do with Islam. It simply is not true. It may not have anything to do with what YOU personally think
56 SOBHI51 : Wrong, Sharia laws are what some people few hundred years ago thought they inspired it from Islam mixed with the tribe laws that existed at the time.
57 Post contains links DocLightning : So you are telling me that Sharia and Islam have no connection. Whatsoever. It's just pure statistical coincidence that it only is seen in Muslim cou
58 Post contains images SOBHI51 : According to whom ???? Who sat there and wrote those laws? Again find me in Islam where it says that a woman who is raped should be jailed.
59 AR385 : If you read the thread from the beginning, you may get if. If you´ve already done so, I can´t help you.
60 AyostoLeon : @DocLightning. Of course Sharia is linked to Islam, but that is different to claiming that decisions made by judges are the same as Sharia or consiste
61 RussianJet : Quite obviously, his point was that it's amazing anyone still goes there given the fact that this bullshit keeps happening.
62 DocLightning : Dictionary.com, Webster, Random House, etc. That is the very definition of Sharia. It says so in the Islam as proclaimed by the Powers That Be in the
63 SOBHI51 : With all due respect to them they are neither the Koran nor the prophet, this is just there interpretation based on very old laws some of them date b
64 tugger : To me though, the problem with this is that there was a need for the man to confess first. Whether anyone, any man, confesses, if she was raped, if s
65 AyostoLeon : You are mistaken. UAE law does not, I repeat not stipulate that a person who is raped must be punished. UAE federal law under the Penal Code, Article
66 Maverick623 : Which is the whole issue with using religious texts written over hundreds (if not thousands) of years, based on oral traditions that go back even fur
67 Post contains images AyostoLeon : @ Maverick "The legal system, however, does extend that presumption, and it is something we should be proud of. "What we don't do, or endorse, is the
68 Mortyman : The woman has now been Summoned to the state Prosecutor tomorrow. We'll will have to se how that turns out ...
69 Post contains images mandala499 : The same is cited by Tirmidhi. There's another case in Islamic jurisprudence, where Umar the Caliph had his son accused of raping a woman, and she br
70 RomeoBravo : That is absolutely disgusting.
71 Maverick623 : Perhaps we can have examples, even in the absence of a confession (or even a conviction), where the woman who claimed to have been raped was not puni
72 SOBHI51 : That is not what i said, please read back.
73 DocLightning : The idea that a woman reporting rape is guilty of sex outside of marriage until proven innocent is repugnant. And that seems to be the legal presumpt
74 AyostoLeon : The statement has been demonstrated to be false. It is not the law that there be four adult muslim males to prove rape. See the earlier response rega
75 DocLightning : I am not criticizing all of UAE law. I am criticizing religious law as applied to basic justice. Especially Sharia as defined by the UAE.
76 AyostoLeon : That's fair enough Doc and I appreciate it. But not everyone makes the same distnction as we have seen. A law may be fully compliant with Sharia yet
77 Post contains images mandala499 : What you should be criticizing is how law enforcement is abusing their position whilst using its own version (and therefore wrong) of the (official)
78 CPH-R : It's called arbitration. It happens fairly often, even in others religious communities. And both parties have to agree to the arbitration being based
79 Hywel : Great. So if a man rapes a girl with 3 of his friends watching, and he denies it, it's ok. But if 4 of his friends watch it and later confess, he's f
80 AyostoLeon : People keep making this claim but it has no basis in fact. Just because something is published in the media it does not make it true, especially if t
81 Post contains links oly720man : Breaking news is that the woman in question has been pardoned and is now free to leave http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23404042 Good news
82 MadameConcorde : Shame on the Sheikhs. Such ugly laws they have. One can "do as the Romans do while in Rome" I agree but for a country that says they are ahead of the
83 AyostoLeon : Indeed it is although she will wear the emotional scars for years to come. The sad thing is that though she has been pardoned, the conviction still s
84 alberchico : They let her go because this was about to turn into a full blown international incident that would have damaged relations between the 2 countries. If
85 PanHAM : yes, there are cases like that. High ranking members of ruling families have been accused in Switzerland for instance and IIRC it was not only from i
86 Post contains links Mortyman : The rapist also got pardoned ... In Norwegian: http://www.dagbladet.no/2013/07/22/n...rte_deborah_dalelv/dubai/28312996/ Anyway, the Emir himself pard
87 RussianJet : Great, there's the icing on the cake we've all been waiting for.
88 Post contains links Mortyman : According to the Norwegian Foreign minister, the woman in question is allowed to leave Dubai, but also to stay there if she wants. She will not and is
89 solarflyer22 : As a frequent traveller to UAE and a big fan, I can say there are two things you really want to avoid. One is Islamic law and the other is any perceiv
90 DTW2HYD : That is because they care about multi billion dollar contracts. In this case social media pressure led to release, otherwise Norway would have done a
91 Mortyman : and a very active, but diplomatic and personally involved Norwegian Foreign minister and Foreign affairs Department. In a worse case scenario, Norway
92 DeltaMD90 : I'm glad she has been "pardoned" but she should have never been charged in the first place. I kind of wish this got dragged out and made a huge inter
93 Post contains links SFBdude : Ok lets try this again. This link provides more information about the subject of rape and also includes other links discussing it. http://www.islamicb
94 casinterest : There will be a next time. The pardon was passed down by the ruler. It did nothing to change the rules and laws that the Sharia judges used to pass j
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