Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7768 times:
It has been revealed that several high ranking UK academics have started a committee in protest against Israeli actions, calling for discrimination against Jewish academics in the UK. As a result, several high ranking Jewish academics have been sacked, and more are in fear of their jobs.
Personally, whilst I disagree with many aspects of Israeli politics, I think it is disgraceful that this is happening to Jewish lecturers. An individual must never be held accountable for the actions of their country. Sure, put economic sanctions against the Israeli STATE, but to victimise individuals is quite frankly disgusting.
The irony is that many of these Jewish academics have spoken out in protest against Israeli politics. I think the world is going mad if a civilised country like the UK can let this happen
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7734 times:
Where did you hear this? Can you name those Universities cos my one could be one of them?
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7724 times:
I think Universities where professors have signed up to this include;
UMIST
University College London
Cambridge University
Imperial College
London School of Economics
There must be more, but I am not sure. I do know that King's College London has refused to have anything to do with this committee - although I guess individual lecturers would have little in their way if they really wanted to join.
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7721 times:
If this is true, then it's shocking! I never expect anything of this nature in our country.
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7717 times:
Ryan, please state the universities involved as a matter of urgency, i am at a university in the uk with a leading uk-based jewish history department that is linked to the ahrb james parkes centre for the promotion of jewish-none jewish relations.
I would be shocked if my university discrimated against jewish lecturers!
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7727 times:
Cambridge University????????????????
Cambridge has a number of scholars who fight anti-semeticism,one, professor richard evans was used as an expert witness in the David Irving liberal trial to prove irving was a holocaust denyer!
im shocked!
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
TWAmerican From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7716 times:
>>>>The irony is that many of these Jewish academics have spoken out in protest against Israeli politics. I think the world is going mad if a civilised country like the UK can let this happen <<<<<
I think sadly your right. Only the US has any bit of sanity left.
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7711 times:
I'm finding the link now (both BBC and Evening Standard)
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Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7707 times:
Here is a BBC link (although not the same one I found yesterday)
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7712 times:
According to the article it's only UMIST that is involved - but I am sure those other names were bandied about yesterday in the Evening Standard
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Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7706 times:
I can't believe this is happening. Discrimination like this is simply unacceptable, especially in a country such as the UK.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20850 posts, RR: 55 Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7702 times:
I´d be interested to know whether the boycott is on jewish or on israeli academics. I´ve only heard of the latter, so far.
And whatever one may think of the boycott itself, mixing those two up would make the difference between a political dispute and a racist/chauvinist campaign, so a little more precision in reporting this would be absolutely necessary.
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7694 times:
Whether they are Israeli or Jewish is incidental - individuals must never be held to blame for the actions of their nation. That is racism, pure and simple.
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7701 times:
UMIST as the cente of this discrimination, well im sure it nots offical univeristy policy....there was a problem after sept 11 with a muslim militant organisation trying to hand out leaflets to freshers in mancester but thankfully the NUS(national union of students) had them removed from university premises.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7689 times:
Most atrociously, the academic at the centre of the sackings, UMIST's Mona Baker states that the Israelis would have been able to keep their jobs if they 'left Israel for Britain and severed all ties with their homeland'.
Clearly this woman's brain has severed all ties with her mouth.....
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Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7691 times:
klaus..it is racism...
i would be equally appalled if a university sacked a palestinain just because another palestinain is a sucide bomber.
""any discrimination on grounds of race, religion or nationality is utterly unacceptable"." Margret Hodge, UK Higher Education Minister
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7674 times:
Klaus,
Are you condoning discrimination against Israeli's?
Because the way I see it, it doesn't matter if you're Israeli or Jewish, discrimination is discrimination!
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7678 times:
hmm the anti-israelis havent posted yet.i wonder why?
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7690 times:
Unfortunately, much of the world acedemia-including the U.S. is so ultra left-wing, that this isn't exactly surprising. Sadly, she sounds like one of these zealots who has a problem with Israel defending itself, but has no problem with the suicide attacks on Israeli citizens.
This is outrageous no matter who the person is, or what country they come from
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7685 times:
So it looks like this case is limited to the UMIST, or is it?
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7144 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7678 times:
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7671 times:
On top of this I distinctly recall reading in yesterday's evening standard about a committee set up by academics discriminating against israelis. I can't find the damn article now
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Pacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2698 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7677 times:
Calm down and read the article properly. No one has been sacked from their jobs !
Messrs Schlesinger and Gideon don't even work at UMIST by the sounds of it.
They have been removed from the editorial board of some academic journal the head of that journal just happens to teach at UMIST though how she has the authority to make such abitrary and racist decisions is beyond me.
This is aloooong way from the accusation made at the start of this thread however. A little attention to detail is required.
" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
25 Klaus: I´ve just read the linked articles and comments and I´ve got no doubt that Prof. Baker severely screwed up. Reducing or freezing some cooperations w
26 Krushny: Compare the first post of this thread, and even the title, with what really happened. So it looks like it was a racist and discriminating action of a
27 Ryanb741: Krushny - in the title I did not have enough space. The rest is self explanatory. I was also referring to another article in which a COMMITTEE of lead
28 TWAmerican: I'm glad this is getting the attention it deserves, what an absolutely horrific story. If anything of this remote magnitude happened in the states, th
29 Krushny: Ryanb741, retreating fast? Waiting for your link on the boycott committee. In any case, if a university takes no action against racism on the part of
30 Ryanb741: Krushny: Ryanb741, retreating fast? On the contrary my dear boy: http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-news-0033.html I draw particular reference to the ex
31 Go Canada!: Pacificjourney stated "Calm down and read the article properly. No one has been sacked from their jobs " WELL, "The education secretary, Estelle Morri
32 777236ER: this story is a big deal Bullshit. It's not a big deal. Believe it or not, there are more important things. Like the recent police violence in LA (?)
33 Go Canada!: 777, If the guardian was that bothered about stories to increase readership it wouldnt print half the stuff it already prints. The circulation for a l
34 SAS23: These are simply part of the overall cultural, economic, sporting and ultimately political boycotts that will be put in place to try to drag Israel in
35 TWAmerican: >>>>>>>>>Like the recent police violence in LA (?) it's an isolated incidence that has no bearing on the lives of most Britain's and doesn't show feel
36 David_itl: TWAmerican Care to back this statement: This is not isoalted, several British schools have de facto boycotts on Israel, and even more have across the
37 SAS23: Russell, don't you think that if Israel behaved in a more civilised manner then the rest of the world would treat it - and its citizens - in a similar
38 Ryanb741: I would like to make a point here. I am against Israel being on occupied territory in Palestine, and am against the hardline policies of Sharon (I am
39 Mish1234: ahhhh im not even gonna bother, its discusting to even think about it...
40 Racko: I can't imagine something like this can happen in a modern country like the UK. That's discrimination and the government should do something against i
41 Pacificjourney: No Go Canada they HAVEN'T been sacked from their jobs. Editorial committees for arcane journals are dime-a-dozen for academics. They may not even get
42 Alpha 1: And now, SAS23, in his never-ending hatred of everything Israeli, endorses Israeli's losing their jobs abroad SIMPLY BECUASE OF THE COUNTRY THEY'RE FR
43 Delta-flyer: don't you think that if Israel behaved in a more civilised manner then the rest of the world would treat it - and its citizens - in a similar fashion?
44 Alpha 1: Actually, SAS23, I do not think so. I see this as just another convenient reason for perpetuating anti Semetism. For centuries, there have always been
45 SAS23: Hmmm, so where did you guys stand on sanctions against apartheid South Africa, then?
46 ADG: Hands up who understands that there is a difference between being Israeli and being jewish? Isn't this a protest against Israel rather than an attack
47 Ryanb741: ADG - I agree, a protest against Israel itself is fine, but to victimise individuals is IMHO distasteful in the extreme. For example, the whole world
48 Go Canada!: SAS23-"but at the end of the day the greater good has to be considered." Oh so racism is ok then, providing its an arab dishing it out...... pacificjo
49 Alpha 1: Hmmm, so where did you guys stand on sanctions against apartheid South Africa, then? Sanctions against a country is one thing-but when individuals lik
50 Go Canada!: sanctions against south africa were correct. racism against an individual is unacceptable in any form.
51 SAS23: Go Canada! - glad to see that you agree that racism against an individual is wrong, and that therefore you felt that sanctions against South Africa we
52 TWAmerican: There will be no sanctions against Israel. The country is simply defending itself against terror. This is tangential however, the real horror are thes
53 ADG: ADG - I agree, a protest against Israel itself is fine, but to victimise individuals is IMHO distasteful in the extreme. For the most part I agree. Ho
54 Twaneedsnohelp: israelis shouldn't be hired in the first place?? hunh.. what was it again that I called you that got me banned?
55 Ryanb741: I don't really agree that Jews shouldn't be hired on religious grounds (that is the same as racism is it not?) It should be a case of the best person
56 Ryanb741: Again, on a similar theme; I have several friends who are Jewish (one of whom is Israeli). Am I supposed to now abandon my friendship with them becaus
57 Alpha 1: Alpha 1 - those sanctions form part of the general sanctions against Israel, per my earlier post. Can't have it both ways, guy! ROTFL. Since when do s
58 Us330: If the UK really wanted to show its dismay regarding Sharon's policies, they, and the EU for that matter, could just cut all ties with Israel. By puni
59 Twaneedsnohelp: its not Britain per see, its this miserable mona baker from egypt. shes the one we should be pointing our outrage at. tnnh
60 Go Canada!: ADG:"but education should be without bias so I can't find a lot of sympathy for them sacking people I dont' think should be employed in the first plac
61 SAS23: We're talking about the global sanctions imposed against South Africa, Go Canada! - and those were put in place due to South Africa's racist apartheid
62 Go Canada!: sas23, they arent doing the same thing. You started a thread saying israel was introducing more laws when the fact is they wont be passed by the israe
63 Go Canada!: SAS23-"but at the end of the day the greater good has to be considered." Oh so racism is ok then, providing its an arab dishing it out? "We're talking
64 Twaneedsnohelp: I'll admit that law about Jewish only communities is absurd and racist. I will not apologise for it and I am shocked it got as much backing as it did.
65 SAS23: TNNH: I'll admit that law about Jewish only communities is absurd and racist. I will not apologise for it and I am shocked it got as much backing as i
66 Alpha 1: Personally, I think that anyone who makes their religion obvious has no place in the education system anyway! Sorry, but education should be without b
67 ADG: If anything, it makes Britain look almost as racist as Nazi Germany, or what some members of this site would like to believe, Israel. I think what yo
68 Twaneedsnohelp: I really don't understand Wouldn't exactly before the first time Neil. My post was a very simple one. One doesn't have to be a member of the judiciary
69 ADG: Just to bring everyone back down to earth if you read the article no Israeli teacher was sacked. The man in question was removed from the editorial bo
70 SAS23: TNNH - you obviously didn't understand my post. On the one hand, you say that "I'll admit that law about Jewish only communities is absurd and racist.
71 ADG: Just had this pointed out to me: http://www.state.gov/www/global/human_rights/1997_hrp_report/israel.html Israeli Arab groups allege that many employe
72 SAS23: It now looks like Prof Mona Baker will receive the sack herself: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/07/14/nisr14.xml&sSheet=/ne
73 Alpha 1: Not at all (if you had bothered to read past the ADG in my post), I would deny them work if they were obvious in their religion. Would you allow someo
74 SAS23: Alpha 1 - politics = religion and vv. You need to bone up on your history to learn how close church and state have been historically.
75 Alpha 1: Alpha 1 - politics = religion and vv. You need to bone up on your history to learn how close church and state have been historically. It still has NOT
76 Twaneedsnohelp: So which is it? I see this is a matter of miscommunication. By aplogise I mean "to make an excuse in jutification for". I will not do so. The law is a
77 Twaneedsnohelp: heres what I was looking for... this bill is unconsitutional in Israel. From Israel's Declaration of Independece: 'The State of Israel... Will foster
78 Pacificjourney: I think UMIST may be on shakey ground in firing her. The journal in question was hers, not the schools, so this is not an act where she represented th
79 Twaneedsnohelp: no pay equals no job equals no discrimination ! HA! Hardly. Where the hell did you get that from. Compeletely and utterly false. The university can fi
80 ADG: 'The State of Israel... Will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will ensure complete equality of social
81 Pacificjourney: Calm down TNNH / PANYNJ or whoever you are posing as today and take your schizo pills. It's called thinking with my head and not my balls, you know ra
82 Pacificjourney: A first ! TNNH has nothing to say. Maybe PANYNJ does ?
84 Twaneedsnohelp: As for the issue of multiple user names, a particular biased moderator set out on a vengeance to remove me from the board. After he deleted 1 name, I
85 Bravo45: In reply to a TWAMERICAN's earlier post. Supporting Israel is not "sanity" as many would agree. But actions of others have been blamed on individuals
86 Go Canada!: sas23..i hardly think that you, mr neil robertson are in a postion to comment.does the name celidih or lawyergal ring any bells?
87 ADG: I would have thought that if they had banned a person from the forums they meant to ban the person not the name. Seems sort of childish to appear with
89 Boeing4ever: oh it works babe. it works. Any reasons why it works??? You resort to childish behavior when you know you're defeated. How sad. B4e
90 Hepkat: Once again, nice try TNNH. You were banned all three times because each time you came back, you continued your pattern of personally attacking users.
91 Twaneedsnohelp: I'm glad you aired that for all to see. Governance under the sunshine. I'm confident your modes and methods will quickly be found out. How many of ADG
92 Hepkat: TNNH, you will not hold A.Net captive to your particular political views. Everyone is allowed to have their opinions, and to express these opinions as
93 ADG: How many of ADGs prasing suicide baby bombers As there are no posts with me praising suicide baby bombers i'd suggest none have been deleted. Addition
94 SAS23: Equally, I have never "denied the holocaust" - all I have done is question the numbers murdered. At the same time I questioned those numbers, I made i
95 Go Canada!: sas23, it doesnt matter and you are changing your tune to suit the situation. The fact is that you downplayed the holocaust and said that 6 million di
96 Wn700driver: how is it that you all keep getting all these usernames? I thought they were closed to new members for now...
97 Alpha 1: Equally, I have never "denied the holocaust" - all I have done is question the numbers murdered. Yes, so do the KKK, Aryan Nation, all Neo-Nazi groups
98 Boeing4ever: abolsutely and even saying that Israel was capitalizing off the holocaust. much different tune. How many faces you got lawyergal? woman, did you not p
99 Boeing4ever: How many faces you got lawyergal? woman, Disrespectful comments like that also get you bans TNNH. Never address someone as "woman" or "bitch". I would
100 Twaneedsnohelp: SAS and ADG are not the same users. I'm perfectly aware of that. ADG was being sarcastic when she reffered to the baby bomber as cute. Of course! Beca
101 Boeing4ever: Of course! Because in the context of all her other views, it would make perfect sense! The rest of her views are factual. You just chose to ignore the
102 Alpha 1: TNNH, you will not hold A.Net captive to your particular political views. Everyone is allowed to have their opinions, and to express these opinions as
103 SAS23: Russell, on this thread http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/879174/ you clearly insinuate that Hepkat and ADG are likely t
104 Go Canada!: SAS23, then that admits that you are celidih because it was celidih who sue 'lawergal'. It wasnt used a a way to cool down a debate, it was a way for
105 ADG: The fact is that you downplayed the holocaust and said that 6 million didnt die. If you question the numbers dead you deny the holocaust..you will be
107 Wn700driver: but I'll agree my gf is much smarter, richer, and better looking than me. Shes a WASP! (gasp) Good little Jewboy marries up! Except we're not married,
108 Twaneedsnohelp: Boeing4ever... And in case you can't get it through your thick, biased skull, You contribute more crap to this forum it only serves to prove how child
109 ADG: TNNH, LMAO, if you can't see the difference then the trouble coming your way is most likely well deserved. Paranoid abusive rantings don't come close
110 Boeing4ever: With your attitudes you are lucky someone would give you the time of day WN700Driver said that, not me. Keep in mind though that he makes a VERY good
111 Twaneedsnohelp: Paranoid abusive rantings paranoid abusive rantings? now its my turn for an "LMAO" And nothing B4e posted comes close to "sick bitch" now does it? yea
112 Boeing4ever: More immature personal attacks! Wrong, I simply state facts. You run around accusing users of having mental problems and calling them sick bitches. Yo
113 ADG: TNNH. I suggest you sit down and have a very serious think about your attitude. I've never supported the banning of a user here, nor have I ever sough
114 Go Canada!: oh look, sas23 has gone quite...imwonder why?
115 Go Canada!: adg, if you question the numbers you infer that the holocaust wasnt as bad as history proves, that is denying the numbers of the holocaust and moving
116 Go Canada!: Hmmmmmmmm SAS23 still hasnt responded..i wonder why??????
117 Bravo45: Hey! I don't think that anyone is denying the holocaust or trying to justify it. I think that under this condition, first of all everyone trying to ge
118 Wn700driver: I would suggest that if there is issues w/ the holocaust, that it should probably be in a thread of it's own (might make for some very interesting rea
119 Go Canada!: " think that under this condition, first of all everyone trying to get out of their skin and using abusive language should be stopped. I supposed to f
120 ADG: adg, if you question the numbers you infer that the holocaust wasnt as bad as history proves, that is denying the numbers of the holocaust and moving
121 SAS23: Go Canada! - I have been travelling and haven't been keeping up with the threads. However, I have now left warm, sunny Paris and returned back to grey
122 Hepkat: Actually, Russell signed a post by TWAmerican as tnnh. So yes, that's him. TWAmerican has been permanently banned, as his IP address is exactly the sa
123 Twaneedsnohelp: Wrong, I simply state facts. Yeah because you have medical evidence I am "paranoid" or that my head is "thicker" than anyone elses?? Cut the holier th
124 SAS23: Actually, Russell, if you look at the the posts there are numerous occasions when you use different handles at the same time. Yes, some of them have '
125 Bravo45: Wheres the abusive language..its not coming from me. Go Canada! If you had read the thread above your post you wouldnot have the need to say this. You
126 TWAneedsnohelp: After Twaneedshelp was deleted not for bad behaviour but simply because it was linked to me (obviously), I stopped signing TNNH on TWAmerican posts, b
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