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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13219 times:

Let me preface this by saying that this topic was inspired by the "Leisure Suit" thread.

Vinyl roof and white sidewall tires, will they make a comeback? Don't know, but I hope the polyester leisure suit and bell-bottom pants don't!

In the '50s, the fin or wing was a popular style. The '70s and '80s, vinyl roof and the white sidewall tires were popular. Today, I can't think of any car model that have these as standard features.

Was the vinyl roof only a decorative feature or did it have a function like to protect the roof? You know, like a plastic carpet runner or plastic sofa cover to prevent wear and tear on carpet and sofa respectively.


1977 Mustang II

http://mustangattitude.com/mustang/1977/1977_00007_01.jpg

1985 Caprice Classic




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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8226 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13196 times:

White sidewalls are a minor design trend and will probably return in time. The thin white wall design, not the wide one.

The padded roof might have a much harder time of it, unless they can add some super insulation for summer heat. But that insulation should already be inside the car in the headliner.

The trend that is probably out permanently are the tail fins from the late 50's. Google 1959 Cadillac for a good indication. While they won't return I can see "hints " returning at some point.

Heavy use of chrome is also something I see finding a hard time returning.

And, most importantly, square headlights on a Jeep Wrangler. They tried it once and were burned at the stake.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13196 times:

The 1985 Caprice is probably the best looking 'oldie' American car.


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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13161 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
Heavy use of chrome is also something I see finding a hard time returning.

I see those on front grill and bumpers of full-size pickup trucks. I'm not sure if it's factory installed or aftermarket.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13153 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
Was the vinyl roof only a decorative feature or did it have a function like to protect the roof? You know, like a plastic carpet runner or plastic sofa cover to prevent wear and tear on carpet and sofa respectively.

Decorative feature designed to emulate the look of a convertible top and they were doing this even back in the 1920s to mimic the movable tops that horse drawn carriages and buggies had. The style went away during the 30s and 40s and reappeared in the 1950s. Back then, canvas was used and it wasn't until the late 50s that vinyl started being used. My dad had a 1972 Malibu with a red vinyl roof that eventually started to crack and peel away after about 15 years of being in the elements.

While it has gone out of style in the last 25-30 years, it was offered on the Lincoln Continental as a factory option until the model went of out production in 2002. I've seen aftermarket vinyl tops applied to Lincoln Town cars, Cadillacs and even Chrysler 300s. Stretch limos and hearses still make use of vinyl roofs because it is a classic look on those vehicles, but also for practical reasons, as they cover up the welds in the roofs of such vehicles.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13136 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
The trend that is probably out permanently are the tail fins from the late 50's. Google 1959 Cadillac for a good indication. While they won't return I can see "hints " returning at some point.

Cadillac has slowly been putting hints of tailfins in their tail lights for a few years now. It is most noticeable in the CTS coupe and SRX, but you can kind of see it in the ATS.


User currently onlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13045 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
Heavy use of chrome is also something I see finding a hard time returning.

Have you seen the new line of GM trucks? The amount of chrome on the thing is incredible.



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11588 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13038 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
1977 Mustang II

Where is Cheryl Teigs?

I do not ever ever ever ever want to see a vinyl top ever again. My father thought it was a good idea to buy a Dodge Aspen. Our neighbors bought a Plymouth Volare. Green with white vinyl top. What were they thinking? I am scared for life!

Wood paneling I don't mind.



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7293 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13007 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
Was the vinyl roof only a decorative feature or did it have a function like to protect the roof?

It was often said that vinyil roofs were applied at the factory to hide damage done to the roof during production.

I hope the woodies and tail finns never return. I also hate the car bra but thats not a factory issue it's just something idiots do to ruin the looks of there car.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
Have you seen the new line of GM trucks?

WTF is the deal with the square wheel arches on GM trucks, you would have thought GM would have worked it out by now that wheels are round.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12989 times:

Happy Birthday Confuscious!   
12 years of craziness!



The last car to feature factory vinyl top and white wall tires was the 1996 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.
Also the Buick Roadmaster and Buick Century sedan.




I'd like to see a return of the loose cushion, button down leather or velour seating surface. The brand new Bentley is hinting at that but not to the extent it was done in the past. The last car to offer these plush seats was the 1994 Chrysler Lebaron Landau sedan.


1974 Imperial Lebaron sedan.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/Imperial1974seats_zps3aff1563.jpg




This is from a 1974 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.
 photo 1975-Cadillac-051.jpg




Ford needs to whip out the belt again for the trunk.
This 1977-1979 Ford Thunderbird had a unique landau and separated vinyl top.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/Thunderbird_straps.jpg




Considering that not every Mustang is a performance car, I didn't mind seeing a more dressed up, formal looking Mustang as an option. I do like the formal, K-caresque look of the 1983 Ford Mustang convertible.
For the classic ea of Mustangs, I prefer the Mercury Cougar XR-7 convertible.
 photo 1983-Ford-Mustang-Convertible-02-800.jpg

Here is a better image of the Ford Mustang II Ghia.
Ford really dressed up the Ghia edition and has the potential to be a ballsy performer with the available 5.0 liter V8.
Of course a few tweaks would be required to get it to go.

http://www.mustangii.net/images/ghia/silver_ghia.jpg

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
I do not ever ever ever ever want to see a vinyl top ever again.
Wood paneling I don't mind.

This 1974 Mercury Colony Park station wagon featured vinyl top AND wood paneling as well as concealed headlights.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/1974MercuryColonyPark.jpg




This 1970 Ford Torino Squire wagon featured vinyl top, wood paneling AND muscle!

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/1970FordTorinoSquireWagon.jpg

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
Decorative feature designed to emulate the look of a convertible top and they were doing this even back in the 1920s to mimic the movable tops that horse drawn carriages and buggies had.

A carriage top is a little bit different than a vinyl top.
Here is a carriage top on the Bill Blass Edition Lincoln Mark V for the 1977-1979 model year.
Notice the ridges in the top.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/MarkVAtDock.jpg


Same car with vinyl top, not carriage top.






Here is a carriage top offered for the 1980 Mustang.

 photo 1980-Mustang.jpg

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
1985 Caprice Classic

I found a better photo. This is how they looked from 1987-1990.
Although it was the same car from 1977-1990, there were a few minor cosmetic changes thought those years. My favorite being the final 4 years of this design.

 photo chevrolet-caprice-7_zps71ab1768.jpg

The more formal Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency Brougham that lasted until 1984.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/RegencyBroughamCover_zps152d0f7f.jpg

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
Have you seen the new line of GM trucks? The amount of chrome on the thing is incredible.

That's fake chrome, not real chrome.


I look forward to the day that the 'hybrid' hype is outdated.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6609 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12972 times:

Hybrids will be replaced by full electric.

As for the return of strange design feature, you'd have to limit yourself to the US market, as those would never work elsewhere (and probably not in the US either).



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User currently onlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12928 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
That's fake chrome, not real chrome.

Obviously, but the design is the same idea.



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2731 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12910 times:

T-tops and screaming chicken hood decals. Please dear god.... no more!!!!



User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6609 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12890 times:

If you can get a stiffer car with less weight then a T-top isn't a bad idea I would think, although my favorite light is right car doesn't employ one when the roof is removed, apparently the chassis is stiff enough :



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7293 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 days ago) and read 12869 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
If you can get a stiffer car with less weight then a T-top isn't a bad idea I would think, although my favorite light is right car doesn't employ one when the roof is removed, apparently the chassis is stiff enough :

But you have to buy the targa top version, you can't remove the roof from the standard Exige, I've always wondered why you couldn't especially with the Mk 1 version which was just a panel. I would love one, it's a bad arse car


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12848 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
That's fake chrome, not real chrome.

Chrome plated plastic, it's cheaper to manufacture and lighter as well.


Louvers, quite popular back then.

http://mustangattitude.com/mustang/1976/1976_00015_08.jpg

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
12 years of craziness!

A year older if I kept my original username...been lurking longer. I remember buying a 56k modem so I can download pictures faster.



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12832 times:

Here's a beautiful woody wagon; my personal favourite--the 1978 Chrysler LeBaron Town & Country wagon! (Still my dream car)



A recent YouTube video of a green one in mint condition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU7-RnthXmk


A TV commercial for that model:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LW6Ylfn0eQ


SmithAir747

[Edited 2013-08-28 09:04:32]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12810 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 11):
Obviously,

No it wasn't. Otherwise you wouldn't have said;

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
The amount of chrome on the thing is incredible.
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 15):
Louvers, quite popular back then.

Never understood the purpose of those. They also limit visibility.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 15):
I remember buying a 56k modem so I can download pictures faster.

Such as those images of the squirrel?

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 16):
Here's a beautiful woody wagon; my personal favourite--the 1978 Chrysler LeBaron Town & Country wagon! (Still my dream car)

Hang in there. You will have one very soon.  



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12778 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Never understood the purpose of those. They also limit visibility.

I think the idea of the louvers must have been to deflect some of the sunlight beating down on that large horizontal surface created by the shape of the window in the days before tinting.

Ugly as sin though.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12758 times:

Until the launch of the 2013 Lincoln MKZ, one outdated feature would've been push-button transmissions.

The 2010 Mustang brought back sequential blinking turn-signal tailights (a la '64-'71 T-Birds and '67-'73 Cougars)

Others that are gone (for now):

Turntable (yes, DeSoto offered such in the 50s)

8-track player (including ones w/Quadrasonic sound) - sorry 'Fly

Cassette (deck) player - died with the passing of the Crown Vic.

CB radio (factory option in the late 70s/early 80s)

Tubular/thermometer speedometers (Lincoln Continentals had from 1964-1977)

Horizontally-laid out speedometers (last seen on the 1996 Buick LeSabre)

R-12 Freon-based A/C

(?) 2WD/4WD tire hub switches on trucks (one had to go outside to engage/disengage 4WD)

With the passing of the 2013 Chevy Impala; front bench seats on cars (note: some trucks/SUVs still offer such)

Standard full-width, full-back front bench seats on cars (think older taxi cabs and/or police cars from the early 80s and back)

3-speed automatic transmissions (at least in the U.S. market)

4-speed manual transmissions (at least in the U.S. market)

Separate lap & shoulder seatbelts (including the much-hated motorized front shoulder belts)

Dashboard-mounted windshield wiper controls

Floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch (located underneath the emergency brake which was located at the far-left of the driver's side)

Hand-crank operated windows (currently only available on a handful of vehicles... usually bare-bones level pick-up trucks and/or small cars)



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User currently onlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12702 times:

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 18):
I think the idea of the louvers must have been to deflect some of the sunlight beating down on that large horizontal surface created by the shape of the window in the days before tinting.

Exactly - on a hatchback, you had a large, sloped, rear window and the louvers helped keep the car cooler.



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User currently onlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12690 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
No it wasn't. Otherwise you wouldn't have said;

Sure it is. It is merely the object of parlance--to most, chrome and chormesque are the same damn ugly thing.



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12664 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
4-speed manual transmissions (at least in the U.S. market)

Hand-crank operated windows (currently only available on a handful of vehicles... usually bare-bones level pick-up trucks and/or small cars)

I had a 1991 Honda Civic hatchback. Very basic; 4-speed manual transmission without power windows and steering, No AC and radio, and only driver side external rear view mirror.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
Separate lap & shoulder seatbelts (including the much-hated motorized front shoulder belts)

Drove a 1982 Toyota Cressida.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
2WD/4WD tire hub switches on trucks (one had to go outside to engage/disengage 4WD)

My brother's Geo Tracker had this feaure.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Such as those images of the squirrel?

Not exactly, other non-aviation pictures.



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
This 1974 Mercury Colony Park station wagon featured vinyl top AND wood paneling as well as concealed headlights.

I think this is my dream car. Not bothered about the vinyl top but the trifecta of wagon, wood and concealed headlights? Irresistible!



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User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12598 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
This 1970 Ford Torino Squire wagon featured vinyl top, wood paneling AND muscle!

And seemingly no headlights?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):




I've never liked partially-covered wheels. I really wouldn't want to see that returning. I know that some cars have it probably as an efficiency thing (eh Honda Insight) - but purely for styling, it's nasty.



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12701 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 24):
And seemingly no headlights?

They appear from behind some sliding panels in the grill. It's pretty awesome- similar to this I believe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shbQoke7JWI



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User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12703 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):

At the dealership I work at we had a 2003(?) Pontiac Vibe with hand cranked windows. I sure was shocked to see that!



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User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 754 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12758 times:

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 26):
At the dealership I work at we had a 2003(?) Pontiac Vibe with hand cranked windows. I sure was shocked to see that!

My 2005 Dodge Neon in high school had crank windows in the back.

My coworker also has a 2012 Jeep Patriot with crank windows throughout. They are still around believe it or not!


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12741 times:

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 18):
I think the idea of the louvers must have been to deflect some of the sunlight beating down on that large horizontal surface created by the shape of the window in the days before tinting.

That makes more sense.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 18):
Ugly as sin though.

Well, not the ugliest thing but I don't like them either. They looked OK on those Datsun 280Z cars of the 70s & 80s.



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 22):
Drove a 1982 Toyota Cressida.

Great cars!
My sister had one. Those drove like an American luxury car. Those had the loose cushion seats as well. One of my favorite stock car stereos was the AM/FM cassette deck that came with those cars. Blushed aluminum face with weighted, illuminated 7 band eq. and lefts & right LED output meters.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 23):
I think this is my dream car. Not bothered about the vinyl top but the trifecta of wagon, wood and concealed headlights? Irresistible!

Mercury Colony Parks had that design from 1969 - 1978.
Should be easy to find one on Ebay. Try to find one with the Checkerboard game that folds in the rear cargo area between the two fold down seats.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12716 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 22):
I had a 1991 Honda Civic hatchback. Very basic; 4-speed manual transmission without power windows and steering, No AC and radio, and only driver side external rear view mirror.

Those things absolutely could not be killed (aside from rust).


Superfly must know this one...one old school feature I remember (on Pontiac I think?) was the fresh air vent down by your feet. Just pull a lever and outside air would come in down low. Seemed to collect a lot of leaves though!


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 day ago) and read 12673 times:

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 26):
Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 27):

Forgive me but I'm not 100% sure whether both of you read the entire line of my previous post on the subject of hand-crank windows (reposted below, key point in bold) when you commented on such.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
Hand-crank operated windows (currently only available on a handful of vehicles... usually bare-bones level pick-up trucks and/or small cars)

With the exception of the RedTailDTW's co-worker's 2012 Jeep Patriot (most likely a bare-bones base model), all the other submitted vehicle examples were intended to be covered in my earlier statement; which implies that hand-crank windows are not completely out of the new car/vehicle scene yet.

Among new vehicles, the very basic model of the Ford Fiesta (S trim) has crank windows. Oddly, the base model Focus (S trim) from 2012 and up has crank front windows but power rear windows.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
This 1970 Ford Torino Squire wagon featured vinyl top, wood paneling AND muscle!

Minor point, that Torino wagon in your posted pic does not have a vinyl roof; although such was probably available as an option. Truth be told, most station wagons I saw, regardless of make, size & model, while growing up in the 70s & 80s did not have vinyl roofs. Until I saw an ad that showed a wagon w/a vinyl roof; I only thought that option was restricted to sedans & coupes (including hardtops & pillared hardtops).

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 25):
Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 24):
And seemingly no headlights?

They appear from behind some sliding panels in the grill. It's pretty awesome- similar to this I believe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shbQo...e7JWI

The proper term for those is either hidden or concealed headlights/lamps; Ford Motor Company used the latter adjective when describing the feature for their models.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 29):
one old school feature I remember (on Pontiac I think?) was the fresh air vent down by your feet. Just pull a lever and outside air would come in down low. Seemed to collect a lot of leaves though!

Those were called Floor Vents, which used to offered on all vehicles not equipped w/A-C. That feature ultimately died sometime in the 1990s due to nearly every new vehicle being equipped w/A-C as standard equipment. Add Floor Vents ot the above-list.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Mercury Colony Parks had that design from 1969 - 1978.
Should be easy to find one on Ebay. Try to find one with the Checkerboard game that folds in the rear cargo area between the two fold down seats.

The only time I saw one(s) (full-size Ford or Mercury) equipped w/the Checkerboard table was in ads. or brochures; but never in real life.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 22):
No AC and radio, and only driver side external rear view mirror.

I'm assuming that your driver's side mirror on that '91 Honda was of the manual type (requiring one to adjust it by reaching out the window to do so). Heck add cable-driven-adjustment mirrors to the list as well. Also add vehicles w/out A/C nor a radio(?) to the list.

Another one to add (and I could kick myself for mentioning this one earlier)... Front Pivoting Vent Windows last offered on (IIRC) on the '93 Dodge Ram vans, pick-ups (full-size) & Ramcharger SUVs. and the '93 Jeep Grand Wagoneer.

Similarly, the power front mini-vent window that Ford Motor Company used to offer on its full-sizes (Ford/Mercury '73-'78, Lincolns '70(?) through '89). These would roll down first before the rest of the front windows.

Another one to add: 4-door (pillarless) hardtops. Such disappeared after the late 1970s.

I believe that Mercedes still makes a 2-door (pillarless) hardtop model that's not a convertible; but that's probably the only one (among new(er) vehicles) I'm currently aware of.

Subaru still offered a 4-door pillared hardtops on its previous generations of its Outback and Legacy models (including wagon variants). I'm not sure if anyone else still makes a 4-door pillared hardtop out there. The last domestic (US) 4-door pillared hardtop was the 1985 Cadillac Seville.

[Edited 2013-08-29 07:51:50]


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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 day ago) and read 12642 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
Those were called Floor Vents,

An eminently sensible name for them, to be sure.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
Another one to add (and I could kick myself for mentioning this one earlier)... Front Pivoting Vent Windows last offered on (IIRC) on the '93 Dodge Ram vans, pick-ups (full-size) & Ramcharger SUVs. and the '93 Jeep Grand Wagoneer.

I remember calling those the 'cigarette window'.

Which brings up another old school feature...how many cars come with permanently installed ashtrays any more?


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 day ago) and read 12640 times:

Have you seen a new Nissian Juke?

Those front headlight enclosures look like the company is trying to bring back the Plymouth tail fins - on the front of the car.


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 23 hours ago) and read 12630 times:

One thing I cannot stand is the 1/2 digital, 1/2 analog dash on the current Honda Civics.... Is UGLY! Did Honda not get the memo that the digital dash died in 1989? Only about 20 years late.

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 34, posted (1 year 21 hours ago) and read 12599 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 33):
One thing I cannot stand is the 1/2 digital, 1/2 analog dash on the current Honda Civics.... Is UGLY! Did Honda not get the memo that the digital dash died in 1989? Only about 20 years late.

Actually, many cars had digital dashes well into the mid-90s.

Not sure about the upcoming 2014 Corvette but its immediate predecessor model had a digital speedometer that was projected onto the lower part of the windshield.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 31):
Which brings up another old school feature...how many cars come with permanently installed ashtrays any more?

Or cigarette lighters for that matter. The originally standard lighter has been replaced with the same-sized Power Port.

Once upon a time, a luxury feature on a car was to have multiple cigarette lighters. Both my borther's '74 Marquis & my '85 Grand Marquis sedans had a total of four cigarette lighters: one attached to the dash (standard issue), one on the front passenger's door and one for each rear door; each had an acompanying ashtray.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 35, posted (1 year 19 hours ago) and read 12571 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Or cigarette lighters for that matter. The originally standard lighter has been replaced with the same-sized Power Port.

If you want the cigarette lighter and ashtray, you have to buy the "smoker's group" option if they offer it (Which seems to be offered on trucks and SUVs more than cars.). My 2003 Dodge Stratus doesn't have an ashtray yet has a cigarette lighter. My work vehicle is a 2005 Ford E-150 and it has an ashtray and a cigarette lighter in addition to a power port (Works perfect for me, as I have my satellite radio received plugged into one and use the other to charge things like my phone and my work handheld.).

Another feature that has disappeared is a cassette player in the factory stereo and the last car to offer them was the 2010 Lexus SC430. Most automakers started to quit offering them as standard equipment back around 2004-2005. I still remember when you actually had to flip the tape over on the early cassette decks in cars (much like you had to do with your home stereo, boombox or Walkman). I remember when the first CD players for cars came out and it took some time for them to trickle down into lower level cars. Even aftermarket ones were pricey for quite some time and I'm not the only one here that kept a portable CD player in their car plugged into the cigarette lighter and hooked up to the radio using a cassette adapter......


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 36, posted (1 year 18 hours ago) and read 12552 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 35):
If you want the cigarette lighter and ashtray, you have to buy the "smoker's group" option if they offer it (Which seems to be offered on trucks and SUVs more than cars.).

I'm well aware of such options on newer vehicles; but it used to be standard equipment for all vehicles... even stripped-down subcompacts w/out radios. The first car I remember that did not come with a cigarette lighter as standard equipment was my uncle's 1978 Mercury Zephyr 2-door sedan; his was a stripped-down, base model that only had the 200 cid inline-6, automatic transmission & AM radio for options.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 35):
Another feature that has disappeared is a cassette player in the factory stereo and the last car to offer them was the 2010 Lexus SC430

See my earlier post (reposted below)

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
Cassette (deck) player - died with the passing of the Crown Vic.

Although it was a fleet-only model since 2008; the Crown Vic. through the 2011 model year (2012 for export-only models assembled on Sept. 2011 just before the plant closed) still offered a cassette player. The last Mercury Grand Marquis (2010 model year) had a cassette player as well.

[Edited 2013-08-29 13:45:22]


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User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 3
Reply 37, posted (1 year 18 hours ago) and read 12551 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Or cigarette lighters for that matter. The originally standard lighter has been replaced with the same-sized Power Port.

I've had a fair few cars over the last few years, none of which has come with a lighter or an ashtray. I was therefore quite surprised when I found one in my new Peugeot 508. I'd assumed that the smoker pack would come as an option on cars these days - and I'd rather have the space to store my keys/phone etc instead.

It's a sign of how times have changed though - when the Peugeot 205 was launched the lighter and ashtray were almost the focal point of the central console...

[Edited 2013-08-29 13:50:22]


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User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 754 posts, RR: 3
Reply 38, posted (1 year 18 hours ago) and read 12551 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
Forgive me but I'm not 100% sure whether both of you read the entire line of my previous post on the subject of hand-crank windows (reposted below, key point in bold) when you commented on such.

I had read your prior comment but I was giving af773atmsp an example of newer cars that still come with crank-windows in certain packages.

Thanks for clarifying though  

- Mason



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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 18 hours ago) and read 12535 times:

What ever happened to the groovy 8 track players of the 70's that could endlessly play disco music. I remember my friends parents had one in their Pacer. We felt pretty cool groovin to Disco Inferno in that purple glass solarium!

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 40, posted (1 year 17 hours ago) and read 12513 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 39):
What ever happened to the groovy 8 track players of the 70's that could endlessly play disco music.

See my earlier post (reposted below):

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
8-track player (including ones w/Quadrasonic sound)

Sometime in the early 80s, the 8-track got bumped from the options list in favor of cassette players (which started being offered as an option in the mid-to-late 70s). Most home stereo systems dropped 8-track players (& recorders) around the same time as well.

In a nutshell:

1. The cassete, by and large, replaced the 8-track

2. The CD eventually replaced the cassette - most cars dropped their factory cassette players in the mid-2000s with the fore-mentioned Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis & Lexus SC430 being the last hold-outs offering such into 2010-2011.

3. MP3s & Ipods will eventually replace CD players.

Heck, many car-makers have recently started dropping their multi-CD players from their options list. A single-CD player can still be had though. Example: the 2011 Ford Flex offered a 6-CD player but the 2012 and newer models do not (but still offer a single-CD player).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
The last car to feature factory vinyl top and white wall tires was the 1996 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.
Also the Buick Roadmaster and Buick Century sedan.

Actually, when ordering my '97 Crown Vic. LX; had I not opted for the Handling & Performance Package (which included 16" black walls and styled aluminum wheels) it would've indeed come w/15" white walls.

Apparently, white walls did survive the 1998 makerover of the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis.

Grand Marquis LS models shown


My guess is that the white walls died off on these cars circa Y2K (remember that?).

The Lincoln Town Car last offered such in 1997.



[Edited 2013-08-29 15:57:53]


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User currently onlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2511 posts, RR: 7
Reply 41, posted (1 year 16 hours ago) and read 12491 times:

Ahhh - memories. My Dad's '69 Pontiac had a vinyl roof - he used to use Bravo floor wax to shine it up. Had the skinny-stripe whitewall tires too. I remember a lot of "pimpmobiles" as we called them back in the early to mid-70's all tricked out with wide whitewalls, hood ornaments, amber headlights, chrome front ends, curb feelers and more. Mostly Buick Electra 225's (deuce and a quarters as they were called), Cadillacs and Oldsmobile 98's.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
push-button transmissions.

My Grandfather had a '57 Desoto with the push-button tranny. Just last week when I was at the gas station a guy pulled in with one that was completely cherry! Had the push button trans - it was just beautiful - those big tail fins were cool. Hadn't see one i years.....


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8226 posts, RR: 8
Reply 42, posted (1 year 16 hours ago) and read 12475 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 10):
Hybrids will be replaced by full electric.

The issue with full electric is their limited range and re-charging when traveling on our Interstate system. I can get on a freeway about a mile from my house and go to Mt Pleasant MI to see my son with freeways or Interstate roads all the way. Same when my daughter and her family lived in Fort Collins.

How does full electric handle that? I charge up at home then start driving, averaging 65+ MPH for, say 8 hours. Maybe recharging stations in the parking lots at places like McDonalds? Or if I pull in for a good nights sleep on the way, how does the car get re-charged overnight. The unfortunate part of electric cars is that they are not effective for a family vacation without massive investments in re-charging infrastructure. How many stops would be required if I drove 8 hours at 70 on the Interstate? And how long would those re-charging stops take, compared to a petrol stop?

Electricity is a great idea for a city car, or maybe a 200 miles per day car. It has a very long time to go before it can handle the long drives we see a lot of times in this country. like 1,000 - 1.500 miles round trips for a family vacation.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 10):
As for the return of strange design feature, you'd have to limit yourself to the US market, as those would never work elsewhere (and probably not in the US either).

Remember the Citroen 2CV or DS. And then there is the H Van

I have to admit that the 2CV was neat - I understand that the front seats popped out for use at a picnic. The most interesting part:

Quote:

Citroën unveiled the 2CV—signifying two fiscal horsepower, initially only 12 hp (8.9 kW))—at the Paris Salon in 1948. The car became a bestseller, achieving the designer's aim of providing rural French people with a motorized alternative to the horse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën[


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 43, posted (1 year 15 hours ago) and read 12474 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
This 1977-1979 Ford Thunderbird had a unique landau and separated vinyl top.

Note the color-keyed wheels (matching the vinyl roof & trunk-mounted seatbelts). Definitely an item no longer offered.

How about color-keyed wheel covers that Mercedes used to offer into the 1980s.



Ford offered similar on its '75-'82 Granadas

1980 Granada (last of the 1st generation models)


1981 Granada (first of the Fox-bodied models)


BTW, Ken777; you may want to correct or re-enter your url link. The one you currently posted is giving me a Bad Title message.

[Edited 2013-08-29 16:36:23]


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User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 12 hours ago) and read 12432 times:

I'll mention something that has gotten quite popular with the automakers; manual mode with an automatic transmission (also called manu-matic, manual mode, or sport mode).

First time I saw that feature was on my 2001 Volkswagen Passat. Once in awhile I'll use it for fun. Not sure when it was first introduced, but it seems like a lot of car manufacturers now have it as standard.



It ain't no normal MD80 its a Super 80!
User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 11 hours ago) and read 12422 times:

Manual Choke

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/223/485815200_0ba2232452_b.jpg



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4458 posts, RR: 19
Reply 46, posted (1 year 11 hours ago) and read 12417 times:

Three words:


'Rich Corinthian Leather'



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7293 posts, RR: 5
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 hours ago) and read 12379 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
Also add vehicles w/out A/C nor a radio(?) to the list.

I can think of a couple of cars you can buy today which don't have either feature.

Morgan 3 Wheeler
Caterham 7

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 36):
Although it was a fleet-only model since 2008; the Crown Vic. through the 2011 model year (2012 for export-only models assembled on Sept. 2011 just before the plant closed) still offered a cassette player. The last Mercury Grand Marquis (2010 model year) had a cassette player as well.

Who in 2011 still owned a cassette tape? I haven't owned a cassette since the early 90's. I don't even remember the last time I saw one or a cassette player for the matter.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 hours ago) and read 12377 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 43):
How about color-keyed wheel covers that Mercedes used to offer into the 1980s.

That is my old Matchbox car.
They were blue.
I do like the color-keyed wheel covers on the SL-450 (380/560) roadsters from 1972-1989.
My favorite color for those is puke yellow.
The sedan looked best in M&M's blown.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 45):
Manual Choke

I used to have a 1980 Volkswagen Dasher diesel as well as a 1981 Volkswagen Rabbit diesel. They both had manual choke.
I had to pull my choke early in the morning before heading off to school.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 41):
Ahhh - memories. My Dad's '69 Pontiac had a vinyl roof - he used to use Bravo floor wax to shine it up. Had the skinny-stripe whitewall tires too. I remember a lot of "pimpmobiles" as we called them back in the early to mid-70's all tricked out with wide whitewalls, hood ornaments, amber headlights, chrome front ends, curb feelers and more. Mostly Buick Electra 225's (deuce and a quarters as they were called), Cadillacs and Oldsmobile 98's.

Great cars and great memories. I remember seeing those a lot.
I almost bought a 1969 Buick Electra 225 convertible from a crackhead back in 2003.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 40):
My guess is that the white walls died off on these cars circa Y2K (remember that?).

Oh yes. The world was supposed to end.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 hours ago) and read 12367 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 42):
The unfortunate part of electric cars is that they are not effective for a family vacation without massive investments in re-charging infrastructure

Might not make sense to invest so much for 2 weeks out of 52 per year? And how many families drive 1,000 miles during two weeks every year?

During my trip to California last month i saw a few Volt cars on the roads so maybe things are starting to change


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 50, posted (12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12314 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 49):
During my trip to California last month i saw a few Volt cars on the roads so maybe things are starting to change

I best most of those Volt drivers have a 2nd. car as well. Also California has a lot of environmentalist with disposable income. Not an accurate sample of the US overall.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12300 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 48):
I had to pull my choke early in the morning before heading off to school.

My lawn mower had one. I had to do it before mowing the lawn, but made sure the neighbors didn't see me.     



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 52, posted (12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12265 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 51):
made sure the neighbors didn't see me.

Umm, what kind of grass were you cutting?



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12254 times:

Were curb feelers ever popular?

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/4/408/4649/38519824020_large.jpg

Quoting Superfly (Reply 52):
Umm, what kind of grass were you cutting?

Regular grass. I didn't want them to see me playing around with my choke.



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 54, posted (12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12256 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 53):
Were curb feelers ever popular?

They were popular in Gary in the 70s & early 80s.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 53):
Regular grass. I didn't want them to see me playing around with my choke.

I'm sure someone has it on video.  



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 969 posts, RR: 10
Reply 55, posted (12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12195 times:

Here's a few I could think of...


Before fuel injection (and computers) took over, it was Carburetors:



From the 1960s to 1980s, Windshield wipers on many upscale models were hidden to reduce wind drag and noise:
http://tarheeltigers.org/THTWP/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chuck_Jording_1967_Bonneville1.jpg


To allow for three to sit in the bench seat up front, Column-shift automatic transmission, no console:


Some cars and trucks even had Column-shift manual transmission!


To see in the winter without breath freezing on the inside of the windows, Frost Shields were available:
http://media.winnipegfreepress.com/images/FrostShieldsNov301955.jpg



None of today's bulbous, lumpy, crowded dashboards... there were wide, Flat topped dashboards, and sweeping rectangular speedometers:



Metal bumpers that you weren't afraid of scratching on a concrete support column in a tight parking garage (after all it is a bumper):



Cars once extended aft of the rear wheels, and tail lights often spanned the width of the car:
(most newer cars do not even hear rear quarter panels... the plastic bumper wraps all way around to the rear wheels)
http://images.classiccars.com/classifieds/423284_15236985_1970_Chrysler_300%2Bhurst%2Bedition.jpg


Cars also extended forward of the front wheels, and some featured hidden lights:



Customizing Vans was cool:
http://hooniverse.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dodge-interior.png
http://www.omega-level.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Star-Wars-Themed-Van..jpg


And who could forget about Chrysler's infamous "Voice Alert" system in their 1980s cars:
(a door is a door, and not a jar)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpfUuRg1VE





LD4



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 56, posted (12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12167 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
Have you seen the new line of GM trucks? The amount of chrome on the thing is incredible.

That's fake chrome, not real chrome.
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 45):
Manual Choke
Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
Metal bumpers that you weren't afraid of scratching on a concrete support column in a tight parking garage (after all it is a bumper):

What was the last North American car built with real chrome bumpers (not plastic that looks like chrome)?

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):

From the 1960s to 1980s, Windshield wipers on many upscale models were hidden to reduce wind drag and noise:

That photo of the '67 Pontiac reminds me that factory-installed fender skirts are another thing no longer seen today.


User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 969 posts, RR: 10
Reply 57, posted (12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12154 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 56):
What was the last North American car built with real chrome bumpers (not plastic that looks like chrome)?

My best guess: 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis... by '91 the chrome bumper was almost concealed by plastic, with the restyle in '92, the metal bumper was totally concealed by plastic.

Aside from trucks, anything newer than this with a chrome bumper?

1991 Mercury Grand Marquis:

http://images.classiccars.com/classifieds/418837_15140713_1991_Mercury_Grand%2BMarquis.jpg





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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 58, posted (12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12151 times:
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Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
Was the vinyl roof only a decorative feature or did it have a function

It did help insulate against noise and heat.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
hearses still make use of vinyl roofs because it is a classic look on those vehicles, but also for practical reasons, as they cover up the welds in the roofs of such vehicles.

Maybe not so much anymore. Last year we bought one of the end-of-the-road Cadillac Devilles (pardon the pun) with coachwork by Eagle. No Vinyl top! No whitewall tires. Yea!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
I'd like to see a return of the loose cushion, button down leather or velour seating surface.



Yes. That biscuit pattern in leather was great. I really miss REAL cloth seats like Cadillac's brocade. Hate velour.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.

Some of the manufacturers made use of heavily padded vinyl roofs way back in the thirties. Buick, Packard, Cadillac and Lincoln all did.
Cadillac had offered the vinyl roof all along on the series 62's, De Ville, Fleetwoods, etc. In about 1964 they began to seperate the heavy padded vinyl roofs and only offered them on the Fleetwood Sixty Special Brougham series along with amenities such as picnic tables and foot rests, reading lights, etc.. The plain Fleetwood Sixty Specials did not have vinyl roofs.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency Brougham

Great cars! That body style was really nice even if a bit underpowered. That took some getting used to because back in the ambulance days we ran Olds Ninety-Eight Combinations with 455's in them doing about 375 horsepower. Considering what nice cars they were the old ones could really pound the earth if you put your foot in it.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 29):
the fresh air vent down by your feet. Just pull a lever and outside air would come in down low. Seemed to collect a lot of leaves though!

Ha. 'Po folks airy conditionin back in the fifties and sixties. I recall some of the GM products of the fifties had the scoops above the headlight lenses and a screen to keep out f/o's. Some popped-up just below the windsheild.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 31):
I remember calling those the 'cigarette window'.

Yes. The best were the Towncars of the 1970's IMO. I was doing a lot of smoking back then. 
Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
Carburetors:

Good riddance!



"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 969 posts, RR: 10
Reply 59, posted (12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12146 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Or cigarette lighters for that matter. The originally standard lighter has been replaced with the same-sized Power Port.

Which is now made of plastic (and would melt if a lighter from a different car was inserted). To avoid this, the "power ports" have a recessed center (positive) contact, which a flat coil-element cigarette lighter cannot make contact with. The problem is, some older 12 volt power plugs are also too wide to make contact to charge a phone, power a GPS etc.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Once upon a time, a luxury feature on a car was to have multiple cigarette lighters. Both my borther's '74 Marquis & my '85 Grand Marquis sedans had a total of four cigarette lighters: one attached to the dash (standard issue), one on the front passenger's door and one for each rear door; each had an acompanying ashtray.

With today's portable gadgets, this is now a bonus for kids to power games and mp3 players in the back seat... what goes around, comes around.  
Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Mercury Colony Parks had that design from 1969 - 1978.
Should be easy to find one on Ebay. Try to find one with the Checkerboard game that folds in the rear cargo area between the two fold down seats.

Apparently the Ford magnetic checkerboard "recreation table" for station wagon jump seats was a very rare option, and worth a fortune if it can be found today!






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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 60, posted (12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

A few other relics of the past:

Floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/classic-tech/103677d1278286428-silver-button-next-brake-pedal-70-mach-1-button.jpg


Steering wheel horn ring ('57 Cadillac)




Vent windows




Wraparound windshield ('58 Chevy)



[Edited 2013-08-30 18:13:54]

User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 61, posted (12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12121 times:

Concealed hidden headlamps was all the rage from the late 60's through the mid 70's.
they even made it down to the mid sized (for the times) Ford Torino line. Sure, some exotic cars may have them but the rank and file cars don't. The last car I remember with cool looking flip up headlights were the 1986 to 1993 Toyota Celicas. They were hot looking.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13086 posts, RR: 12
Reply 62, posted (12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12089 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 61):
The last car I remember with cool looking flip up headlights were the 1986 to 1993 Toyota Celicas. They were hot looking.

The Ford Probes until the end of production in about 1996 had hidden headlights.

Not a 'style' item is the practical end of 'fishing pole' metal radio antennas. Either wires embedded into the windshield, (GM Started doing that in the early 1970's I recall), in more recent years 'euro' black, swept back, roof mounted ones, or small pods mainly for satellite radio.

In part style are radios with dials, 2 knobs one for volume/on/off, with the inner one on the volume knob for tone range and a 2nd for tuning the radio. Now 'sound systems' in cars are so complex they are dangerous to use if driving.

Simple heat/defrosters controls. As with modern sound systems, and sometime part of it, too complicated to use while driving without killing yourself.

Metal hubcaps/wheel covers. Either they are made mostly of plastic or you have aluminum/alloy wheels.

Hood ornaments. Rocket ships, 'bulleyes', miniature statues, and so on, gone due to danger to pedestrians or just not a part of modern style. Now you maybe have a small badge or worse a car brand symbol like a oversized codpiece in the grill.

Easy to see though back windows. Now many cars have high, narrow back windows so cannot judge well how far behind you another car, object is there, especially when parking so you end up with 'bumper rash'.

Hand or foot mounted parking/emergency brake. Now some cars now use a electric parking brake system. Another thing to go wrong and worse, they cannot provide an 'emergency' function.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4458 posts, RR: 19
Reply 63, posted (12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12063 times:

How about bench seats, in the front.


The whole bench slid forward and back when you adjusted it.


Good times..



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 64, posted (12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12043 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
Before fuel injection (and computers) took over, it was Carburetors:

I like the sound of a 4 barrel carburetor secondaries opening up when you step on the gas.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
Windshield wipers on many upscale models were hidden to reduce wind drag and noise:

I have that on my car as well. It's also more stylish to have them hidden.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
To allow for three to sit in the bench seat up front, Column-shift automatic transmission, no console:

Much more comfortable too. I see no point in having a console on anything other than a sports car.
Those center consoles and gear shifters get in the way if the girlfriend wants to fondle me.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
Cars also extended forward of the front wheels, and some featured hidden lights:

Good choice of car for that photo.  
Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
And who could forget about Chrysler's infamous "Voice Alert" system in their 1980s cars:
(a door is a door, and not a jar) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpfU...Rg1VE

My 1987 Chrysler Lebaron convertible had hat feature. It was more sophisticated by 1987. It would say;
"Please close your driver's side door".
"Please close your passenger door".

One day the system went haywire and said; "Please close your rear passenger side door".  Wow!
This was a 2 door convertible.

I miss that car despite all the headache it gave me.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 56):
What was the last North American car built with real chrome bumpers (not plastic that looks like chrome)?

The 1996 Buick Park Avenue and LeSabre.
As long as you didn't get the sporty Ultra trim level.


Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 58):
Yes. That biscuit pattern in leather was great. I really miss REAL cloth seats like Cadillac's brocade.

Chrysler had the best!

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 58):
Great cars! That body style was really nice even if a bit underpowered.

A 455cu" will fit under that hood.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 59):
Apparently the Ford magnetic checkerboard "recreation table" for station wagon jump seats was a very rare option, and worth a fortune if it can be found today!

It was featured in the brochure for several years. It doesn't seem like it would be expensive at all.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 60):
Floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch

That's what I have but it has a fancy rubber cover on it.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 63):
The whole bench slid forward and back when you adjusted it.

The 50/50 split bench seat is a much better idea. It 'looks' like a bench but is two separate seats with their own power controls.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Once upon a time, a luxury feature on a car was to have multiple cigarette lighters. Both my borther's '74 Marquis & my '85 Grand Marquis sedans had a total of four cigarette lighters: one attached to the dash (standard issue), one on the front passenger's door and one for each rear door; each had an acompanying ashtray.

I my car has 4 lighters as well.
The brochure and on the fuse panel, it says 'cigar lighter'. Hence the target buyer was rich fat-cats that chomped on cigars and wore plaid suits. You know those kinda guys I'm talking about.
What's amazing is the size of the front ashtray. It's big enough to fit a cantaloupe.
It even lights up when you open it so you can see where to put your ashes while smoking your cigar. Luckily the previous owner was not a smoker.



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User currently onlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2511 posts, RR: 7
Reply 65, posted (12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11981 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 61):
Concealed hidden headlamps was all the rage from the late 60's through the mid 70's.
they even made it down to the mid sized (for the times) Ford Torino line. Sure, some exotic cars may have them but the rank and file cars don't. The last car I remember with cool looking flip up headlights were the 1986 to 1993 Toyota Celicas. They were hot looking.

I was always a fan of the hidden headlights - my 1985 Toyota Supra and my 1988 Honda Prelude both had them.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 66, posted (12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11949 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 65):
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 61):
Concealed hidden headlamps was all the rage from the late 60's through the mid 70's.
they even made it down to the mid sized (for the times) Ford Torino line. Sure, some exotic cars may have them but the rank and file cars don't. The last car I remember with cool looking flip up headlights were the 1986 to 1993 Toyota Celicas. They were hot looking.

I was always a fan of the hidden headlights - my 1985 Toyota Supra and my 1988 Honda Prelude both had them.

Keep in mind the difference between concealed headlights and pop-up headlights.
The concealed headlights like on the older Lincolns and Chryslers were stationary and didn't move. Only the doors.
Pop-up headlights that were most commonly on sports cars, the whole headlight it's self moved.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11874 times:

A glove compartment lock. I don't think any car has one anymore.

Separate keys for the ignition and locks. All cars seem to have one key for everything.

Just a basic old fashioned mechanical clock.

Seat belt interlock. This was a device in mid 70's cars that would not let you start the engine unless everyone in the front seat had their seat belts fastened.

See-no-evil speedometers. They only went up to 85 MPH.

Bumper jacks. Much easier to use than today's pantograph jacks, though not as safe.

Tire irons. To use with the above mentioned bumper jack, pry off the hubcap, and to loosen/tighten the lug nuts.

Full size spare tire. Some vehicles may still have them.

Three-on-a-tree. A three speed manual transmission where the shifter was mounted on the steering column. I used to drive a Ford van with one. It was fun to drive.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 68, posted (12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11856 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 42):

I have to admit that the 2CV was neat - I understand that the front seats popped out for use at a picnic. The most interesting part:

Quote:

Citroën unveiled the 2CV—signifying two fiscal horsepower, initially only 12 hp (8.9 kW))—at the Paris Salon in 1948. The car became a bestseller, achieving the designer's aim of providing rural French people with a motorized alternative to the horse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën[

There were quite a few attempts at cars in Europe aimed at farmers during this time, when farms over here transitioned from horses to tractors.. E.g. the first Landrover was build in the same year as a machine for light field work (including ploughing if the soil wasn´t too hard and it even had a power takeoff to power e.g. threshing machines), which also would allow the farmer to drive to the market in town with some produce (the Land Rover Series 1 was designed to do the abovementioned farm work, plus being a pickup where the farmer could load two sheep in the back).

With the 2CV the high profile came apparently from a spec which should allow thje farmer to wear a tophat for festive occasions.

Jan


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 69, posted (12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11839 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 66):
Keep in mind the difference between concealed headlights and pop-up headlights.
The concealed headlights like on the older Lincolns and Chryslers were stationary and didn't move. Only the doors.
Pop-up headlights that were most commonly on sports cars, the whole headlight it's self moved.

Don't forget the sixties Rivieras! Those lights flipped over. Also the Eldo's---'67 and '68?

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
A glove compartment lock. I don't think any car has one anymore.

Yeah. That was kind of odd although it did keep the kids out. Just about guaranteed the box would get torn-off in a theft.

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Three-on-a-tree. A three speed manual transmission where the shifter was mounted on the steering column. I used to drive a Ford van with one. It was fun to drive.

Learned to drive with one of those. Made it easy to do doughnuts!

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Tire irons

Came in real handy if you broke down in East Point as well.



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 70, posted (12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11827 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 69):
Don't forget the sixties Rivieras! Those lights flipped over. Also the Eldo's---'67 and '68?

Don't forget the Opel GT....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBl-5DuJet0



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 71, posted (12 months 3 days ago) and read 11818 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Full size spare tire. Some vehicles may still have them.

I think the up-market luxury cars still come with a full-size spare.

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Seat belt interlock. This was a device in mid 70's cars that would not let you start the engine unless everyone in the front seat had their seat belts fastened.

I think that was for the 1974 model year only. That year had all sorts of quirks in regards to seat belts.
When I was a kid, we had a 1974 AMC Hornet hatchback. The engine wouldn't start if you sat in the driver's seat. I remember my mother had to stand outside and reach in to start the ignition. Something was wrong with the seatbelt sensor.
I also had a 1974 Lincoln Mark IV. The buzzer and fasten seat belts light would go off buzzing depending on my position in the seat. Happened a lot when taking corners or going over bumps.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 69):
Don't forget the sixties Rivieras! Those lights flipped over. Also the Eldo's---'67 and '68?

Those were sweet!   

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 69):
Came in real handy if you broke down in East Point as well.

I assume you meant for self protection.  

In fact, my 1974 Lincoln Mark IV gave me another problem. The gear shifter on the steering column broke and went all the way to 6 o'clock. I ended up using the tire rod iron as a gear shifter for almost a year.
I ended up selling the car to a homeless lady in Golden Gate Park.




Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Three-on-a-tree. A three speed manual transmission where the shifter was mounted on the steering column. I used to drive a Ford van with one. It was fun to drive.

The only car I've been in like this was a 1947 Plymouth in Havana, Cuba.
It most likely had a Soviet Zil diesel engine. This was my ride back to the airport to catch the Cubana IL-62.
This was in 2001.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/PlymouthTaxi.jpg



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 72, posted (12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11803 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
I assume you meant for self protection.  

You know it!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
I ended up selling the car to a homeless lady in Golden Gate Park.

She might still have it.
Way back when I traded a lot. Would get tired of a car and get a different one all the time. Sometimes three in a year.
I traded a beautiful '67 Coupe de Ville in on a '70 Eldo. A couple of years later I was at a shopping center and spotted the car by a dent I had put in the back bumper. I stood by for a few minutes and a little bitty old lady shuffled up to get in the car. I told her the story and she said she LOVED the car, it NEVER gave her any trouble and she drove it to B-ham every weekend to visit her grandchildren. I bet she had it until the day she died. That car was superb.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
Those were sweet!   

Had a green '69 Riv. GS for a while. Maxed-out with options. That car was FAAAAAAAST!
The '70 Eldo I had was a Champagne Metallic color---very "plain-jane" looking. But look-out-----I left many a punk with a Chevelle 396 at a traffic light and freaked 'em out! Talk about hearing all four barrels------that thing was awesome! Just keep it in a straight-line!  



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User currently onlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2511 posts, RR: 7
Reply 73, posted (12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11799 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 69):
Don't forget the sixties Rivieras! Those lights flipped over. Also the Eldo's---'67 and '68?

So did the early Corvette Stingrays - starting in 1963. Those may have been the coolest hidden headlights ever.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 74, posted (12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11807 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 72):
You know it!

I'm sure today there would be lawsuits if cars still came with these.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 72):
She might still have it.
Way back when I traded a lot. Would get tired of a car and get a different one all the time. Sometimes three in a year.
I traded a beautiful '67 Coupe de Ville in on a '70 Eldo. A couple of years later I was at a shopping center and spotted the car by a dent I had put in the back bumper. I stood by for a few minutes and a little bitty old lady shuffled up to get in the car. I told her the story and she said she LOVED the car, it NEVER gave her any trouble and she drove it to B-ham every weekend to visit her grandchildren. I bet she had it until the day she died. That car was superb.

That's a great story. My story didn't end so well. When she gave me the $300 (my selling price) and I handed her the pink slip, she says; "Finally I have a place to pee!"
  
I was thinking my goodness, my poor car!   
It had seen better days. I bought it for $700 in 1995. It was the car I moved to San Francisco in.
The silver metallic had already faded in to a naval ship grey, the vinyl top was all tattered and the burgundy velour interior was already dusty & faded. Yet that car still ran like new as those 460s with straight exhaust and 4bbl carb were bulletproof and fast for a 5400 pound car.
I had it for a year & a half until I bought a 1977 Mark V. I was moving up.  

I'd love to have a 1970 Cadillac Coupe DeVille convertible. That is one beautiful work of art.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 72):
Had a green '69 Riv. GS for a while. Maxed-out with options. That car was FAAAAAAAST!
The '70 Eldo I had was a Champagne Metallic color---very "plain-jane" looking. But look-out-----I left many a punk with a Chevelle 396 at a traffic light and freaked 'em out! Talk about hearing all four barrels------that thing was awesome! Just keep it in a straight-line!

You've had some sweet cars!  
Any chance of getting another car from this era?



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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 75, posted (12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11745 times:

Cool topic; I'm sorry that my computer has been down foe a while.

A few notes (in no particular order but starting off with vinyl top appliques):
1. When I was at Ford Styling in the '60s, the marketing-types realized this would be a saleable option in mass production and a smart plant manager got an audience with the suits with the fact that "you know, it will actually cost less to produce the vehicle with a phoney convertible top than spend the welding/leading/surfacing/painting time to class-A surface the joints between the roof panel stamping, the upper quarter panels (and in some cases, the tulip panel)". Not only did they save money on the assembly line, but gouged the customer with a dollars added option. I'm entirely sure that it was the same at all the Detroit autos (actually, I'm not entirely sure it was a FoMoCo thing originally), but the rest is history....the bad-taste option thrived. Well, I guess it was fancy on a Town Car or a Brougham, but to order a fastback Chevelle or Torino with a vinyl top is like desecrating a bible.
2. Cigarette lighters (I remember all the companies calling them cigar lighters, but could be wrong). I can remember strippers not having them, but first became aware of "the" controversy when Malcolm Bricklin made a big deal about none of his cars being made available with a cigar lighter (an anti-tobacconist, he was) at any option price. Now, as has been mentioned before here, one usually must order the "smoker's package". Let's see, no cigar lighters but 8 cup holders that will fit a can of beer so conveniently.
3. Front vent windows. More a cost savings measure than anything else. True around the time of their demise, air conditioning was becoming more and more popular.
4. Power windows. Consumer expects it, but here again one can factor in a cost balance. The new lighter weight (and pretty cheap) tape drive operationals allow a near-flush as per costs ove hand-crank. As a matter of fact, the systems are lighter than crank drive (remember when specific class drag racers would always order power windows on their new cars because of the few pounds weight savings?).
5. Plastic chrome bumpers. Second surface chrome plating of plastic has been around seemingly forever. Hell, you can chrome plate a sheet of typing paper nowadays. Point is, that the process has been used on grilles, taillight bezels, tons of interior apps and so on. More recently, the process is so perfected that large, large areas of RIM (reaction injection molded, and similar plastics) can be Class A plated quite easily (although at a cost penalty). The only other drawback to say, a bumper end cap, is that the chrome will crack if the plastic flexes beyond a certain stress point during impact. Impact? Ain't that what bumpers are for?
6. T-tops and screaming chickens on PontiacTrans Am hoods? Hold on guys...my ex college roommate designed that chicken I'll have you know, and I built the first (and following 49) prototype T-top Trans Ams. Burt Reynolds was proud of us and you guys ain't?
7. The louvres on the "flat-back, fast-back" rear windows. Was it not Giugarro or another famous Italian designer that debuted that style on a Lamborghini Miura? Please help from the group here, I could be wrong and don't have the time to Google. But what I DO think I remember, when the screaming yellow zonker (Larry Shinoda's nickname at Ford Styling) came over from GM and did the original Boss 302, he designed those rear window louvres for the Mustang that made it into mass production, thereby really instituting a styling trend (for a while, anyway). I was on leave from Ford in the Army at the time so I may have some of this corn-voluted. All best...jack



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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 969 posts, RR: 10
Reply 76, posted (12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11723 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
A few notes (in no particular order but starting off with vinyl top appliques):
1. When I was at Ford Styling in the '60s, the marketing-types realized this would be a saleable option in mass production and a smart plant manager got an audience with the suits with the fact that "you know, it will actually cost less to produce the vehicle with a phoney convertible top than spend the welding/leading/surfacing/painting time to class-A surface the joints between the roof panel stamping, the upper quarter panels (and in some cases, the tulip panel)". Not only did they save money on the assembly line, but gouged the customer with a dollars added option. I'm entirely sure that it was the same at all the Detroit autos (actually, I'm not entirely sure it was a FoMoCo thing originally), but the rest is history....the bad-taste option thrived. Well, I guess it was fancy on a Town Car or a Brougham, but to order a fastback Chevelle or Torino with a vinyl top is like desecrating a bible.

 

How about Chrysler's "Mod Tops" for their high performance models for 1969 and 1970?

Yes, this was really a factory option in 1969 and 1970!

http://www.mooresmopars.com/modregistry.html

Also, take note of the concave rear window, which was common to the Dodge Dart and Plymouth Valiant in the 60s and 70s:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tE6HcEuGqwI/TYrk3s_n-6I/AAAAAAAAAGo/RN1xyxG-gf0/s1600/ModCuda2.jpg
http://andy440.com/modtop.jpg




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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 77, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11680 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
that car still ran like new as those 460s with straight exhaust and 4bbl carb were bulletproof and fast for a 5400 pound car.

In the mid 90's I bought a minty '68 Four door Continental. Black w/ a natural leather interior. Vinyl top delete. That was the first year Lincoln offered a 460 and it was an option. This car had it. It was a great car and I had a great time with it. Kept it about a year and the owner of a (then new) Lincoln dealership down towards Peachtree City flagged me down one day and held a gun to my head to sell it to him. I followed him to the dealership and he wrote the check for the (ridiculous) number I had in mind! It stayed in his showroom for a few years and then I lost track of it.
That car was very heavy and that engine really moved it-----at great cost. I believe it was the most (premium of course!) fuel-thirsty car I've ever owned. I wonder if I even got 8mpg!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
Any chance of getting another car from this era?

Well this outfit always has some interesting toys and they are always high quality. I have been looking at these:

http://www.orlandoclassiccars.com/showroom/details.php?v_id=1376
http://www.orlandoclassiccars.com/showroom/details.php?v_id=1401

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Oh, and this one with only 4k miles. It's everything I can do to keep from mashing that "Buy" button!
ww.orlawndoclassiccars.com/showroom/details.php?v_id=136

This one doesn't have the 460.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Linco...em3a84309c87&vxp=mtr#ht_976wt_1166



[Edited 2013-09-01 20:11:23]

[Edited 2013-09-01 20:16:03]

This one is a rocket. Been torturing me for days.


[Edited 2013-09-01 20:20:41]
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadil...20d74e379f&vxp=mtr#ht_55154wt_1166


[Edited 2013-09-01 20:22:22]

Been driving myself crazy over some of these. I need to buy my own parking deck just to keep them all!


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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 78, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11659 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
1970 Cadillac Coupe DeVille convertible

One of my favorite years for Cadillac.
Here's one with plenty of oprions. Just lacks cruise, twilight sentinental and auto dimming.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadil...tem2581d79c75&vxp=mtr#ht_603wt_709

This one has cruise:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadil...em2a30694b32&vxp=mtr#ht_500wt_1184

[Edited 2013-09-01 20:34:40]

Here's a nice Eldo. Full of options. Missing Eldorado lettering on trunk-deck indicates a re-p;aint. Not bad though and those letter are available. Great car.


[Edited 2013-09-01 20:44:47]


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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 79, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11644 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 76):
How about Chrysler's "Mod Tops" for their high performance models for 1969 and 1970?

I

I guess I don't remember that aghast. I was overseas in the service at the time, but surely some would still be around on my return. Just don't remember them. Good grief.

BTW, the concave rear backlight appeared on several non- MoPars; GM, Ford (even the ElCamino). Can't remember who started the design, though.

Previous comments were made about concealed w/s wipers. Does anybody remember when (I don't, without going through my old brochures) Pontiac advertised...."where are the headlights?... where are the taillights?... where are the windshield wipers?" The headlights were hideaways behind doors, of course, the taillights behind louvres and the wipers were under a lip at the rear of the hood. That w/s/w install proved immensely more popular than, say, the Corvette design under a door operated by articulation that had a tendency to freeze over in wintery climes, or just simply take time off when it decided not to work. Times that I care not to remember from Michigan winters (but times that were more kinder, more gentler than trying to override the electrics of Pantera pop-up headlamps). Arrghhh. kind regards...jack



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11636 times:

A few I forgot to mention earlier:

The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

Radiator caps. More and more cars now come with coolant system caps located somewhere besides the radiator. My current car has it in the coolant line and my previous car had it in the coolant bucket.

Turn signal indicator lights on top of the front quarter panels next to the hood. Many Chrysler built cars had them.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 81, posted (12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11632 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
The louvres on the "flat-back, fast-back" rear windows. Was it not Giugarro or another famous Italian designer that debuted that style on a Lamborghini Miura?

I think you're correct. If the rear window louvres didn't debut on the Miura, then they debuted on one of the Miura's early mid-engine italian exotic contemporaries. If I recall correctly, on the Miura the louvres didn't have glass directly beneath them as Mustangs did- they were there to smooth the airflow over the engine compartment.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 79):
BTW, the concave rear backlight appeared on several non- MoPars; GM, Ford (even the ElCamino). Can't remember who started the design, though.

The '67 Dodge Dart 2-door hardtop and 4-door sedan were the first cars I can recall with that feature (the first green car with the "Mod Top" option pictured up-thread is a '69 Dart- same body as the '67). The '67-'69 Plymouth Valiants and Dart 2-door sedans used a different, shorter roofline. Around 1970 or so the Dart and Valiant 2-door sedans were dropped in favor of the Plymouth Duster/Dodge Demon and all Valiant 4-door sedans adopted the Dart roofline with the convex rear window.



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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 969 posts, RR: 10
Reply 82, posted (12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11628 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

Best design ever! As you stated, no need to worry about which side to pull up to a gas pump. Also no unsightly fuel door and the nozzle scratches, spills and stains that go with it.


Another good riddance... bias-ply tires!


Most of us have seen power rear windows on older station wagons and trucks, but how about on a sedan?

http://m4.i.pbase.com/v3/26/12626/1/51238064.Mercs0501loDSCN0545.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toSiP4KRdQo




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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7293 posts, RR: 5
Reply 83, posted (12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11632 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
A glove compartment lock. I don't think any car has one anymore.

Still very common in European cars. My wifes Touran has a glove compartment lock, as did the Ford Flex I rented.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
I think the up-market luxury cars still come with a full-size spare.

You'd be lucky to get a space saver, now it's a can or gue and a pump.

Quoting bohica (Reply 67):

Separate keys for the ignition and locks. All cars seem to have one key for everything.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):

From the 1960s to 1980s, Windshield wipers on many upscale models were hidden to reduce wind drag and noise

They are still hidden on many cars today.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4458 posts, RR: 19
Reply 84, posted (12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11617 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 82):


Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

Best design ever! As you stated, no need to worry about which side to pull up to a gas pump. Also no unsightly fuel door and the nozzle scratches, spills and stains that go with it.

Agree with that, as an alternative I've never understood why some 'modern' cars do the worst thing possible and place the gas cap on the side opposite the driver.


Talk about dumb design, for positioning next to the fuel pump it couldn't be more awkward !



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 85, posted (12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11587 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
.the bad-taste option thrived.

Hey watch it.  
I am a fan.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
I guess it was fancy on a Town Car or a Brougham, but to order a fastback Chevelle or Torino with a vinyl top is like desecrating a bible.

I think they look great on muscle cars as well, especially the Montego MX Brougham and AMC Javelin.
The vinyl top did wonders for the Gran Torino, Cougar XR-7s and Thunderbirds.


What do you think about the Houndstooth Cougar for the 1970 model year?
There is a guy in San Francisco a few blocks away from my old place with this car. He took it out only on those 5 hot sunny days a year in San Francisco.

Looks like there was a matching coat with houndstooth pattern for ladies
If I had one of these, I would HAVE to get a matching jumpsuit with large butterfly collars.








Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
the companies calling them cigar lighters,

That is what mine's is called.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
Malcolm Bricklin made a big deal about none of his cars being made available with a cigar lighter (an anti-tobacconist, he was) at any option price.

We used it to light fireworks in our driveway on 4th of July if we ran out of matches.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 75):
6. T-tops and screaming chickens on PontiacTrans Am hoods? Hold on guys...my ex college roommate designed that chicken I'll have you know, and I built the first (and following 49) prototype T-top Trans Ams. Burt Reynolds was proud of us and you guys ain't?

Count me in as a fan. You're old roommate did a spectacular job with that job!
These little kids today that don't like it have no taste. Then again these Gen-Yers' grew up in an era of tacky hybrids, SUVs, crossovers and minivans.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 76):
How about Chrysler's "Mod Tops" for their high performance models for 1969 and 1970?

Wow, I learn something new.   
I like the idea but some of those look like kitchen wallpaper.
I like that it matches the interior seating.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 77):
In the mid 90's I bought a minty '68 Four door Continental. Black w/ a natural leather interior. Vinyl top delete.

Back then, the vinyl top was only for the Town Car option which came out for the 1969 model year. That was a rare option then that didn't become popular until the 1975 model year.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 77):
the owner of a (then new) Lincoln dealership down towards Peachtree City flagged me down one day and held a gun to my head to sell it to him.

WOW??!?!? That is crazy!

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 77):
That car was very heavy and that engine really moved it-----at great cost. I believe it was the most (premium of course!) fuel-thirsty car I've ever owned. I wonder if I even got 8mpg!

I plan to backdate my 460cu" to those specs of the 1968-1970 model years. By 1977, that engine was only 208HP with it's government mandated emission controls. Yet still only get's 9MPG in the city, 16 highway (I get about 10MPG because the way I drive)
Once it's backdated to original specs, it should be about 375HP NET.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 77):
Well this outfit always has some interesting toys and they are always high quality. I have been looking at these:

http://www.orlandoclassiccars.com/showroom/details.php?v_id=1376
http://www.orlandoclassiccars.com/showroom/details.php?v_id=1401

Nice!
You should go for it. Those look ready to be driven home.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 77):
This one doesn't have the 460.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Linco..._1166

I'd go for the convertible if getting a 1960s Continental.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 78):
One of my favorite years for Cadillac.

1976 is my favorite year for Cadillac overall. However I like the 1970 DeVille convertible.
It's the last full-sized, rear-drive, body-on-frame Cadillac convertible.
The Eldorado is front-drive.

Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

AMC was like this until the very end in 1988.

Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
Turn signal indicator lights on top of the front quarter panels next to the hood. Many Chrysler built cars had them.

Another cool feature from the past.
GM had those too.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 82):
Most of us have seen power rear windows on older station wagons and trucks, but how about on a sedan?

Those Mercury Breezeways are cool!

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 83):
You'd be lucky to get a space saver, now it's a can or gue and a pump.

WOW!
I've always had a full-sized spare tire.



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 86, posted (12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11574 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 84):
Quoting Skydrol (Reply 82):


Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

Best design ever! As you stated, no need to worry about which side to pull up to a gas pump. Also no unsightly fuel door and the nozzle scratches, spills and stains that go with it.

Agree with that, as an alternative I've never understood why some 'modern' cars do the worst thing possible and place the gas cap on the side opposite the driver.

The gas cap pretty much has to be on one side or the other rather than in the center behind the license plate because cars now have the fuel tank either underneath the back seat or just aft of the rear axle instead of underneath the trunk floor near the back bumper. As for having the gas cap on the passenger side of the vehicle, that allows the driver to get closer to the gas pump without danger of opening the car door against the pump protector barriers now common at gas stations. Owning a two-door car with the fuel filler on the passenger side after owing one with it on the driver's side will make you appreciate the wisdom of that design right away, although four-door cars enjoy the same benefit to a slightly lesser extent.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 87, posted (12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11557 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
Town Car option which came out for the 1969 model year

Surprise! My '68 had the Town Car option which was the all natural leather interior, some extra lighting and I don't recall what else. I remember how surprised I was when I saw that on the build-sheet because I thought (at that time) that the Town Car option did not show up until about 1973.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
That is crazy!

Yeah it was! I thought I was having a flat-tire or something with this stranger waving like mad for me to pull over. When we stopped he got out came over and started telling me about how he had to have my car for the showroom of his new dealership. I thought this guy is trippin and I need to get away but he eventually convinced me to follow him to the dealership. I've had a lot of people admire my cars but that was the only time I actually got flagged down!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 85):
Breezeways

The ultimate "smokers window"! Had a friend whose father had a Park Lane with a Breezeway. We would fill the car with smoke and then suddenly open all the windows. Poof! The smoke would dissapear.
Funny to look back on it now----I think at one time at least 50-60% of all adults in the US smoked. I did for about 38 years. I look back on it now and can hardly believe I did that.

About those gas doors behind the tag------some of them were too level or almost level. In particular some of the GM ones. If you tried to fill them too fast the fuel would run out on you. We had a 1970 Olds 98 Combination at the funeral home that was like that. An annoyance and a hazard.
The best one I had was on a '67 Imperial I had down in Florida. It had a huge chrome eagle in the center of the rear-deck, you just pulled it open and there was the fuel door. It was up high enough for the fill to have a good angle on it.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 88, posted (12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11529 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
Surprise! My '68 had the Town Car option

Sure it wasn't a 1969?
That is interesting.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
I thought (at that time) that the Town Car option did not show up until about 1973.

I thought it was 1975 until I started getting in to older cars within the last 20 years.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
Yeah it was! I thought I was having a flat-tire or something with this stranger waving like mad for me to pull over. When we stopped he got out came over and started telling me about how he had to have my car for the showroom of his new dealership. I thought this guy is trippin and I need to get away but he eventually convinced me to follow him to the dealership. I've had a lot of people admire my cars but that was the only time I actually got flagged down!

I flagged a guy down once in a 1977 Town Car back in 2003.
I was in my 1987 Chrysler Lebaron convertible. We were both on the freeway in Berkeley and the guy driving kinda looked like Santa Clause. What caught my attention even more is that his head was shining from direct sunlight. He had the factory moonroof.
He saw me looking at him and waving. I didn't have a pen & paper to write 'for sale?'.
Instead I pulled out a $20 bill and waved it at him. He started playing with his beard and then shook his head. I assumed he didn't want to sale. He then follows me for another 20 miles to Concord. So then I pulled off the highway and pulled in to a parking lot of a pet store. I get out the car and started complementing his car. He starts rambling on and on about how he's not in to dating younger guys.  Wow!
I had to tell him again that I was interested in his car. He turned red and was embarrassed. Long story short, it was his boyfriend's father's car who had just recently passed away. He was just driving it until he had enough to buy a brand new Toyota Prius. He said he thought my Lebaron was "cute" and wanted to know if I wanted to trade.
Of course I was all gung-ho about trading. We agreed to meet 1 week later at the same location with our pink slips.
I was excited and brought a case of 8track tapes with me. He was all excited and dressed up in leather.
He told me he was excited about driving in to the city in his new red convertible to gets some dudes.   

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
We would fill the car with smoke

The kids today call that "hot box".
I assume you all were smoking weed?

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
Had a friend whose father had a Park Lane with a Breezeway.

There is a guy right there in Atlanta that is selling a Park Lane convertible with the Colony Park decklid paneling on the side. Only about 12 made.
I am seriously considering this.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 87):
The best one I had was on a '67 Imperial

That is my favorite year for the Imperial Crown convertible.
It's also the last year for the Crown convertible and the last body-on-frame Chrysler.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 89, posted (12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11475 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 88):
I assume you all were smoking weed?

In those days we smoked anything that would burn.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 88):
Sure it wasn't a 1969?

1968. It was the only example of that body style I ever owned and it was seriously over-engineered. The power-steering pump was driven off of the drive-shaft via a flexible steel shaft!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 88):
Park Lane convertible with the Colony Park decklid paneling on the side. Only about 12 made.

What vintage? Sounds very interesting. Have you got someone in Atlanta to check it out for you?
I wish I could make-up my mind. I'm all over the map because I want everything I see! Sometimes I am tempted by some of the fifties cars, it's just that I am leery of repairing them and finding parts. Also if they have low mileage they tend to be super-expensive. Oh, and they tend to lack a/c. Can't go there anymore.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 88):
favorite year for the Imperial Crown convertible.

I've only owned one Imperial Lebaron and it was the '67. It was turquoise with a white vinyl roof and turquoise interior. It looked right at home when I was living in south Florida. It was a great car. Barely feel the tranny shifting and the a/c would freeze you out!

Funny story about your Chrysler Convertible. Life is never dull!



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User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 3
Reply 90, posted (12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11452 times:

Some absolutely great pictures and facts in this thread - keep them coming!

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 83):
You'd be lucky to get a space saver, now it's a can or gue and a pump.

Depends on the manufacturer here in the UK. My Peugeot 208 and 508 have both had full-size spares as standard.

See this link for an idea of different manufacturers' positions: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-new...ar-manufacturers-ditch-spare-tyres

For many people on many occasions the puncture repair kit is adequate.



Have you ever felt like you could float into the sky / like the laws of physics simply don't apply?
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 91, posted (12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11436 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 22):
Drove a 1982 Toyota Cressida.

We had 1981 tan Cressida sedan (which everyone thought was a Mercedes) and a 1985 gray Cressida wagon, the car that I learned to drive on. I actually liked the motorized belts. I thought they were unique because I've never been in a car besides a Cressida that had them.

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 90):
Depends on the manufacturer here in the UK. My Peugeot 208 and 508 have both had full-size spares as standard.

My Mazda3 has a semi-full sized spare. It's the same diameter, for the traction control, I'm sure, but it's definitely a narrower tire so it'll fit in the trunk.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 92, posted (12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11330 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
In those days we smoked anything that would burn.

Haha!

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
1968. It was the only example of that body style I ever owned and it was seriously over-engineered. The power-steering pump was driven off of the drive-shaft via a flexible steel shaft!

Did a 460cu" ever have this set up? Sure it wasn't a 462cu"?

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
What vintage? Sounds very interesting. Have you got someone in Atlanta to check it out for you?

1968. I know two guys in Atlanta I could ask but their knowledge isn't as good as yours. They are both A.net members too.
I'm still waiting for the seller to send me photos. He lives in the south suburbs near the airport.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
I wish I could make-up my mind. I'm all over the map because I want everything I see! Sometimes I am tempted by some of the fifties cars, it's just that I am leery of repairing them and finding parts. Also if they have low mileage they tend to be super-expensive. Oh, and they tend to lack a/c. Can't go there anymore.

Going back to the 1950s, you're best with a Cadillac, Lincoln Continental or Imperial if you want air conditioning.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
I've only owned one Imperial Lebaron and it was the '67. It was turquoise with a white vinyl roof and turquoise interior. It looked right at home when I was living in south Florida. It was a great car. Barely feel the tranny shifting and the a/c would freeze you out!

Sweet!
Chryslers were known to have silky smooth transmissions back then.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 89):
Funny story about your Chrysler Convertible. Life is never dull!

The was the 2nd car I sold and was sad to think about what it was about to go through.
The Mark IV became a urine infested homeless shelter and the Lebaron convertible became a car to chase dudes.  
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 91):
We had 1981 tan Cressida sedan (which everyone thought was a Mercedes) and a 1985 gray Cressida wagon, the car that I learned to drive on. I actually liked the motorized belts. I thought they were unique because I've never been in a car besides a Cressida that had them.

Those were the best Japanese cars ever made!

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 90):
For many people on many occasions the puncture repair kit is adequate.

I wouldn't trust those at all. Nothing beats a spare.



Although not a car style or feature but an integral part of automotive advertising - people.
The use of people in car advertising also is a thing of the past. Today's car ads use fake computer generated effects, fish eye lens, smoky lens effects or up on top of a giant rocky mountain all by it's self.
Before the 1970s, artist illustrations were used but that began to die off in the late 60s & early 70s.
Luckily in the 1970s throughout the 1980s and 1990s, actual people were used. Often times a setting was used with the target buyer and gave snapshot of the target buyers lifestyle.

Personally I'm not a fan of artist illustrations but here is a great example of one. This is a French ad for the AMC pacer.
The AMC/Renault relation started in the 1970s and AMC made a push to sell their small cars in Europe. I actually saw one in Athens, Greece back in 2006.
This ad was also used in Quebec, Canada.





Ford van ad from the late 1970s.
Guys who had large vans with shag carpet and bed in the back got all the hot babes.
No one has ever smoked weed in one of these....

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/000713s3.jpg


Large families drove station wagons.
This, this ad has a large family in the ad.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/LTDWagonAd.jpg

If you were a family on a budget that was active and needed a car with room but on a budget, this economical diesel powered Oldsmobile Cutlass wagon was the ideal vehicle.

Oldsmobile Diesel photo 1979oldscutlasscruiser-diesel.jpg


Cougars bought Cougars.




The Lincoln Versailles catered to upscale women that were in to leather whips and riding horses.


http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/Versailles_whip.jpg




Mobsters that needed trunk space to take bodies down to the docks bought the Lincoln Continental Mark V.
This car catered to porn stars as well.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/MarkVAtDock.jpg


On TV he drove a Ferrari 308GTS but in reality, a 1979 Lincoln Mark V Collector's Edition.  

[Edited 2013-09-03 02:29:19]


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User currently onlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2511 posts, RR: 7
Reply 93, posted (12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
Ford van ad from the late 1970s.
Guys who had large vans with shag carpet and bed in the back got all the hot babes.
No one has ever smoked weed in one of these....

No, of course not - who would ever think otherwise?  

Those are some great ads - they show the styles and general moods and attitudes of the times they were from. Thanks for sharing. Some I remember (the Cougar one in particular) and some were new to me.


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 94, posted (12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11249 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
Did a 460cu" ever have this set up? Sure it wasn't a 462cu"?

Oh, it was a 460cu. I never should have sold that car. Ever. That is one of just a handfull I should NEVER have sold. It was unique in many ways and very dependable. I knew people who had 462 equipped cars that were hanger queens. I have known a number of people over the years that had '69's and ALL of them were hanger queens and they all had the 460. Must have been because it was the last year for that body. At that time when the '70 Continentals debuted they blew-away the Lincoln fans. Just beautiful with that Cord looking hood. Ford had finally "got" the luxury car market. Scared Cadillac's mule and IMO they really didn't recover until the '93 Broughams hit the market.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
you're best with a Cadillac, Lincoln Continental or Imperial if you want air

Ah, yes, however I have been surprised to find it on a few Roadmasters/98's as well!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
became a car to chase dudes.  

O.k., not such a bad fate. The outhouse is pretty bad. At least the guys kept the backseat hot for you!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
Those were the best Japanese cars ever made!

I knew a guy that had an '87 Cressida and that car was excellent! I rode in it a number of times and was really impressed. That was the first Japanese car to get my attention. The first time I said I could drive one of those and be happy.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
the AMC pacer.

Like riding in a fishbowl. Too small a wheelbase for all that wrap-around glass.
Dramamine please.



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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 95, posted (12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11235 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 82):

Most of us have seen power rear windows on older station wagons and trucks, but how about on a sedan?

That cherry Montery photo with the reverse-slant power backlight sure brings back memories. And, if memory serves somewhat correct, I believe Mercury debuted this feature on their 1956 Turnpike Cruiser show car albeit without the reverse-slant styling. The Turnpike cruiser with this rear window made it to production in (1957? 1958?), although again not in a reverse-slant design. The reverse-slant design production debuted on the 1958 Continental and was the most visible styling difference between the Lincoln and Continental for those all-new model year 20 foot long beasts.

GM scheduled similar similar designs on their "fast back" Buick-Olds-Pontiac coupes (remember the model years with the three-piece fixed back windows?) but urban legend has it that complexity, cost, water sealing problems nixed it at the last minute, but the styling with the two windsplits coming down from the roof panel and the three-piece rear glass survived.

Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
Turn signal indicator lights on top of the front quarter panels next to the hood. Many Chrysler built cars had them

I think that feature was actually introduced by Caddy, although I can't remember what year. Nowadays, we commonly have supplemental turn signals in the outside rearview mirror (altho meant for following drivers).

Hey; I don't think this has been mentioned...swivel bucket seats. Ain't seen any of them lately. And...how about swing-away steering wheels? My Dad's T-Bids had that feature. kind regards...jack



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 96, posted (12 months 1 day ago) and read 11213 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 95):
Hey; I don't think this has been mentioned...swivel bucket seats. Ain't seen any of them lately.

My first '73 Monte Carlo had those. They were very comfortable, but the base for the swivel mechanism made them sit an inch or two higher than the regular bench seat... the difference between my head hitting the roof of the car on my first Monte Carlo and not doing so on my second '73 Monte Carlo with the bench seat. A swing and a miss on that feature for GM. Chrysler appeared to have done a much better job with the swivel seats in the late 50s/early 60s.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 97, posted (12 months 21 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 93):
Those are some great ads - they show the styles and general moods and attitudes of the times they were from. Thanks for sharing. Some I remember (the Cougar one in particular) and some were new to me.

Yes it was a happier time.
This is such a happy picture.  
Today, a minivan ad with kids spaced out in their own world with their face
buried in their ipads or video games just don't have the same effect.

 photo 1974Lincoln-Mercury-21_zps4981db75.jpg







This Mercury Montego MX Brougham appears to be marketed towards swingers.
At some point on this day, every one in this photo ended up naked
and in the swimming pool.

 photo 1974Lincoln-Mercury-16_zps9d10d176.jpg

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
Oh, it was a 460cu. I never should have sold that car. Ever.

I'm starting to feel the same way about the 1974 Mark IV I had.
In retrospect, it really didn't need much to bring that car back 100%. It only needed
a new paint job and vinyl top. The velour seats could have been cleaned.
As far as the gear shifter on the steering column, that could have been easily fixed.
As far as that pesky 'fasten seat belt' alarm, all I needed to do was remove the
buzzer and take out the light bulb for the 'fasten seat belt' indicator.
All are very easy fixes.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
At that time when the '70 Continentals debuted they blew-away the Lincoln fans. Just beautiful with that Cord looking hood.

That was a big year for Ford. That 1970 Continental was pretty much the same car up to 1979.
Just cosmetic changes to the front grille an taillights and instrument panel change in 1975
and again in 1978.
My favorite year of course being the 1977 model year.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
Scared Cadillac's mule and IMO they really didn't recover until the '93 Broughams hit the market.

Cadillac had shot it's self in the foot in the 1980s with it's gas-to-diesel conversions,
4/6/8 engine, V6s as a credit option for their large cars, the Chevrolet Cavalier-based Cimarron,
downsizing again and making most of their line front-wheel drive in 1985,
the HT4100 engine that would melt and the dealers giving customers a can of stop leak
didn't help their image either.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
Ah, yes, however I have been surprised to find it on a few Roadmasters/98's as well!

I'm sure the air conditioner was availible all the way down to the Chevrolet, Fords and Plymouths
but very few bought that option since it was a very expensive option to get. In fact, it was still an
option at extra cost in the Cadillac, Lincoln, Imperial, Mercedes and even Rolls Royce.
The only car to come standard with air conditioner was the AMC Ambassador and it was that
way well in to the 1960s. Of course most who bought the above mentioned brands bought
air conditioner anyway. I just think it's funny that AMC compared it's self to the more up-market brands.




Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
I knew a guy that had an '87 Cressida and that car was excellent! I rode in it a number of times and was really impressed. That was the first Japanese car to get my attention. The first time I said I could drive one of those and be happy.

My sister had a 1982 Cressida sedan. It rode like an Oldsmobile. It was a very nice car.

Quoting TSS (Reply 96):
They were very comfortable, but the base for the swivel mechanism made them sit an inch or two higher than the regular bench seat...

As neat as those swivel seats are, I'd rather have the 50/50 split-bench power seats.
They're much more plush. My favorite of this series being the
1976-77 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham.



Also gone is the use of aircraft in car ads.
Ford did this the most but so did a few others.





 photo Ford-1970-Thunderbird-Landau-ad-a-784x1024_zpsab020a9f.jpg


 photo 1978MercuryMarquis-04_zpsf627cfdc.jpg



 photo 1976OldsmobileFullSize-18-19_zps0940d732.jpg



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 98, posted (12 months 20 hours ago) and read 11139 times:
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Quoting cptkrell (Reply 95):
swivel bucket seats

Chrysler had them all the way back to when they had rectangular steering wheels. Oh, and the stupid rear-view mirror mounted in the middle of the dash.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 95):
(1957? 1958?

I think you are right. Those were the years the Cruisers were available. They were always maxed-out with kool options. We had a neighbor with one that had the first "memory-seat" I ever remember.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 95):
three-piece rear glass survived.

Grandma had a '57 Ninety-Eight with the three-piece rear window.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 97):
the 1974 Mark IV

Mom's best friend had a '73 she drove about ten years. It was triple-silver and seemed to never age.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 97):
air conditioner was availible all the way down to the Chevrolet, Fords and Plymouths

Yeah, but they didn't offer it until about '57 or '58.I think the first Ford I remember with air must have been a '57 Thunderchicken. I don't think you could even get it on a Lincoln much before '55 and Cadillac and Packard had offered it for years by then. I loved the way they used to deliver the air through the roof with aircraft-style eye-vents. The MKII's had pretty large swivel type vents on the ceiling and Chrysler had one very large rectangular vent on the package shelf guaranteed to blow-over the stiffest "bee-hive"! It BLASTED the air all the way to the front!



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 99, posted (12 months 13 hours ago) and read 11081 times:

Some other styles, features, equipment that bit the dust.
  • Opera Windows
  • CB Radio
  • 8 Track
  • AM only radio
  • Suspended, hang on air conditioners (after market)
  • Choice of colorful car interiors, the good old days of blue, red, and turquois are gone now, it's black, grey or tan, that's it!
  • Station wagons with rear tailgate window that lowers and especially the old window crank.
  • Woody or simulated wood panneling made famous by the Ford Country Squire wagon.
  • 4 Door Convertible
  • Air Cooled Engine
  • Side floor vents that let in outside air
  • Front door vent windows that open
  • T-Top
  • Checker hippo taxi cab
  • Car base/built meatwagons (ambulance) like the old Caddies.
  • Add on lanterns (all the rage in the early 70's)
  • Curb Feelers



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 100, posted (12 months 11 hours ago) and read 11064 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Suspended, hang on air conditioners (after market)

And good riddance to those hateful, inefficient, space-hogging, shin-banging monstrosities!

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Choice of colorful car interiors, the good old days of blue, red, and turquois are gone now, it's black, grey or tan, that's it!

At least we finally got black back as a choice. For the longest time it was grey or tan only.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Station wagons with rear tailgate window that lowers and especially the old window crank.

While those were cool from a technology standpoint, a well-designed simple one- or two-piece tailgate is more practical on a day-to-day basis.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Side floor vents that let in outside air

Unfortunately they also tended to let in a lot of outside leaves and detritus as well, the ones on Chrysler products being the worst in that respect. You can achieve much the same effect by selecting "Floor/Heater", "Outside Air (as opposed to "Recirculate"), and moving the temperature selector all the way over to the "Cold" side.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
T-Top

Undeniably cool looks at the expense of water leaks and stupendous interior heat on sunny days. I can live without them.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Add on lanterns (all the rage in the early 70's)

Do you mean like the carriage-style lanterns available from J.C.Whitney that could be wired up to work with the tail lights, or something else?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 101, posted (12 months 8 hours ago) and read 11044 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 98):
Mom's best friend had a '73 she drove about ten years. It was triple-silver and seemed to never age.

The guy I bought it from had a left it out in the sun too long. That SoCal heat & sun in the valleys are not friendly to vinyl tops over a long period.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Choice of colorful car interiors, the good old days of blue, red, and turquois are gone now, it's black, grey or tan, that's it!

As well as white and plaid.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Curb Feelers

That was strictly aftermarket.
Same for the bug deflectors, most commonly seen on Cadillacs in the 70s & 80s.

Quoting TSS (Reply 100):
At least we finally got black back as a choice. For the longest time it was grey or tan only.

That has always been a choice, hasn't it?
My interior is all black.

Quoting TSS (Reply 100):
Undeniably cool looks at the expense of water leaks and stupendous interior heat on sunny days. I can live without them.

Was there any interior shade with those?
The problem with T-tops is that people accidentally break them trans porting them to the trunk. Those rubber seals probably need to be replaced often.



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 102, posted (12 months 8 hours ago) and read 11028 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 101):
Quoting TSS (Reply 100):
At least we finally got black back as a choice. For the longest time it was grey or tan only.

That has always been a choice, hasn't it?

Like anything else, black interiors have gone in and out of style. They were very popular in the 60s and 70s, then rapidly dwindled in the 80s, became virtually extinct along with most other color choices in the late 90s and 00s, and seem to be making a resurgence in the 10s.

One mini-trend I'm happy to see go away is the center-mounted instrument cluster as found on the Toyota Echo/Yaris, Saturn Ion, and various Scion models. Advertising types tried to pass this ergonomic step backwards off as a way to make it easier for left- and right-hand drive versions of the cars to share dashboard parts, a lie made obvious by the fact that the main dash molding was still asymmetrical and the interior fuse box was still mounted off to one side of the interior.



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Reply 103, posted (12 months 8 hours ago) and read 11028 times:

What a fantastic thread.


'Wheel covers standard'


How can you beat that !



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User currently onlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2511 posts, RR: 7
Reply 104, posted (12 months 2 hours ago) and read 10983 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 97):
This Mercury Montego MX Brougham appears to be marketed towards swingers.
At some point on this day, every one in this photo ended up naked
and in the swimming pool.

Great tie-in to another of your recent threads - note that the gentleman in the ad is wearing a leisure suit!


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Reply 105, posted (12 months 2 hours ago) and read 10980 times:
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Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
hang on air conditioners

"Dealer Installed". Good riddance! I guess they were better than nothing. Dad used to call them "ball coolers" because they always seemed to blow right on your nuts.

Quoting TSS (Reply 102):
black interiors have gone in and out of style.

I never could understand why people would buy a convertible with a black top and interior. Kind of defeatist, especially in the days when a lot of them had no a/c.
Most stupid was a triple-black convertible in Tampa or Miami.

I can't make a link to it for some reason----scroll down and check-out the gorgeous black/salmon interior of this snappy '56 Imperial with the tiny Imperial Eagle logos-----EBay #141050340529



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 106, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10951 times:

A correction to one of my earlier-posts.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
I'm not sure if anyone else still makes a 4-door pillared hardtop out there. The last domestic (US) 4-door pillared hardtop was the 1985 Cadillac Seville.

While away on vacation, I saw a car that proved my earlier post to be incorrect; the first generation Oldsmobile Aurora (1995-1999)
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 47):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
Also add vehicles w/out A/C nor a radio(?) to the list.

I can think of a couple of cars you can buy today which don't have either feature.

Morgan 3 Wheeler
Caterham 7

Okay, but are those vehicles actually available in other markets; North American/European/Asian?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 47):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 36):
Although it was a fleet-only model since 2008; the Crown Vic. through the 2011 model year (2012 for export-only models assembled on Sept. 2011 just before the plant closed) still offered a cassette player. The last Mercury Grand Marquis (2010 model year) had a cassette player as well.

Who in 2011 still owned a cassette tape? I haven't owned a cassette since the early 90's. I don't even remember the last time I saw one or a cassette player for the matter.

I, for one, still have a bunch; mostly older ones but still. I haven't gone through the expense of getting CD versions of everything I have. Had my '97 Crown Vic offered a dual-media (cassette/CD) player as an option when I ordered the car; I would've opted for it and started getting CDs earlier. It didn't become an option in Ford's lineup until 1999.

As for why Ford still offered it on the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis 'til the very end; they had a surplus of them (the dual-medi cassette/CD type) laying around and decided not to let them go to waste.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
To allow for three to sit in the bench seat up front, Column-shift automatic transmission, no console:

Already mentioned; the 2013 Chevy Impala is the last car to offer 3-across front bench seating & column-mounted gearshift. Full-size pick-up trucks (usually the standard cab) and some full-size SUVs still offer such.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
sweeping rectangular speedometers:

Again, already mentioned. The last car to offer such was the 1996 Buick LeSabre.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 55):
tail lights often spanned the width of the car

Seen the back of a current Dodge Challenger lately?

http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/428856/2012-dodge-challenger-srt8-392-yellow-jacket-photo-428858-s-1280x782.jpg

...Or the 2011-current Cdoge Charger (in LED form):

http://image.automotive.com/f/auto-show/los-angeles/2012/2013-dodge-charger-daytona-debut/42011017+w968/2013-Dodge-Charger-Daytona-rear-end.jpg

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 59):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Once upon a time, a luxury feature on a car was to have multiple cigarette lighters. Both my borther's '74 Marquis & my '85 Grand Marquis sedans had a total of four cigarette lighters: one attached to the dash (standard issue), one on the front passenger's door and one for each rear door; each had an acompanying ashtray.

With today's portable gadgets, this is now a bonus for kids to power games and mp3 players in the back seat... what goes around, comes around.

Have manufacturers started offering such (multiple power ports) again?

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 60):
Floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch

I remember needing to carry a can of WD-40 in my first car (1969 Ford LTD sedan I had from 1982-1984) because the switch would get stuck every now and then.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 60):
Vent windows

Already mentioned.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 61):
Concealed hidden headlamps was all the rage from the late 60's through the mid 70's.

Such existed in the '80s and early '90s as well. The last Ford vehicle to have them was the '82 T-Bird (concealed single rectangular) and the '83 Continental Mark VI (concealed dual-round). Both resurrected Imperials (1981-1983 coupes , 1990-1993 sedans) offered concealed dual rectangular headlights as well.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 66):
The concealed headlights like on the older Lincolns and Chryslers were stationary and didn't move. Only the doors.

Chevy offered concealed headlights as an option for its '67 & '69 Caprices; not sure about the '68 Caprice.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
I think the up-market luxury cars still come with a full-size spare.

Police-departments mandate such for their packages; but most cars, even upper-end luxury cars may only offer it as either an option or by request. Most cars either offer a donut or a inflatable kit (bad idea IMHO) as standard equipment.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
Quoting bohica (Reply 67):
Seat belt interlock. This was a device in mid 70's cars that would not let you start the engine unless everyone in the front seat had their seat belts fastened.

I think that was for the 1974 model year only. That year had all sorts of quirks in regards to seat belts.

A '75 Sedan DeVille my brother briefly owned had similar. One of the previous owners installed a bypass switch using a bright orange plastic toy gun (from an AFX racing set). My father drove an '82 Chevette (from North Carolina) that had a similar device.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 74):
I'd love to have a 1970 Cadillac Coupe DeVille convertible. That is one beautiful work of art.

Get a white one w/bull-horns and one will think either Boss Hogg's in town or his car was stolen. 
Quoting bohica (Reply 80):
The gas cap behind the license plate. It didn't matter what side the pump was on.

I belive the that the '96 GM RWD B & C-bodies (Caprice/Impala SS/Roadmaster/Fleetwood) were the last cars equipped w/such

Quoting Superfly (Reply 97):
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 94):
At that time when the '70 Continentals debuted they blew-away the Lincoln fans. Just beautiful with that Cord looking hood.

That was a big year for Ford. That 1970 Continental was pretty much the same car up to 1979.
Just cosmetic changes to the front grille an taillights and instrument panel change in 1975
and again in 1978.

Actually, the '75s underwent a major restyle & sheetmetal change.

1970 Continental
http://automotivemileposts.com/lincoln/images/linc1970brownfrontsideview.jpg

1975 Continental


The 1974 Continental was the final year for the 2-door hardtop; the '75-'79 Continental coupes were of the pillared-hardtop variety.

http://automotivemileposts.com/lincoln/images/1974/linc1974coupe_edit2.jpg

Quoting Superfly (Reply 97):
Also gone is the use of aircraft in car ads.
Ford did this the most but so did a few others.

The brochure of the '72 Ford (full-size) I have shows a '72 LTD next to a UA 747-100 wearing the Friendship scheme.

Quoting TSS (Reply 100):
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Choice of colorful car interiors, the good old days of blue, red, and turquois are gone now, it's black, grey or tan, that's it!

At least we finally got black back as a choice. For the longest time it was grey or tan only.

Some cars still offer red seats as an option. Granted, it seems to be on a limited and rotational basis.

Quoting TSS (Reply 102):
Like anything else, black interiors have gone in and out of style.

Similar could be said for green. It was phased out in the early 80s but was revived during the mid-90s. My '97 Crown Vic. has a green interior; the final year Ford offered such.

Quoting TSS (Reply 100):
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Station wagons with rear tailgate window that lowers and especially the old window crank.

While those were cool from a technology standpoint, a well-designed simple one- or two-piece tailgate is more practical on a day-to-day basis.

What vehicles today still offer the 2-way (or Ford's 3-way) doorgate? Most if not all SUVs/CUVs offer only a hatch for the rear door. Ford's Excursion, when it existed, had a 2-piece swing-door (similar to those seen on vans) with a single flip-up rear window.

[Edited 2013-09-04 10:39:31]


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User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 3
Reply 107, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10916 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 47):
I can think of a couple of cars you can buy today which don't have either feature.

Morgan 3 Wheeler
Caterham 7

Add to that list the entry-level Dacias, which don't come with air conditioning or a car stereo. A little more mainstream than Morgan or Caterham too.



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User currently onlineKaphias From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10918 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 106):
What vehicles today still offer the 2-way (or Ford's 3-way) doorgate? Most if not all SUVs/CUVs offer only a hatch for the rear door. Ford's Excursion, when it existed, had a 2-piece swing-door (similar to those seen on vans) with a single flip-up rear window.

Mini Cooper Clubman comes to mind: http://image.automobilemag.com/f/reviews/editors_notebook/0909_2009_mini_cooper_s_clubman/26391787+w968/0909_13_z%2B2009_mini_cooper_s_clubman%2Brear_door_open.jpg



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 109, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10903 times:

Quoting Kaphias (Reply 108):
Mini Cooper Clubman comes to mind

No quite what I'm referring to. The Clubman's doors are similar to what's commonly found in full-size vans. Many older (I'm not sure about current) Chevy Suburban/GMC Yukon XL featured a similar 2-rear-door arrangement.

Here's the Excursion rear-doors with the single flip-up window.




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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 110, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10888 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 106):
Chevy offered concealed headlights as an option for its '67 & '69 Caprices; not sure about the '68 Caprice.

That is true but very few Chevy buyers bought that option. Chevy folks just aren't as sophisticated as us Ford guys.  
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 106):
Get a white one w/bull-horns and one will think either Boss Hogg's in town or his car was stolen.

I'd go for the gold exterior color and tan leather interior for those.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 106):
I belive the that the '96 GM RWD B & C-bodies (Caprice/Impala SS/Roadmaster/Fleetwood) were the last cars equipped w/such

That is correct!

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 106):

1975 Continental

That may very well be the 1975 Continental that Henry Ford Jr. gave to Richard & Patricia Nixon.
I sat in that car. My friend owned that very car until he passed away a few years ago. My car was parked next to it in his warehouse when I first moved to Thailand. It's now under the care of KevinL1011 - parked next to his 1970 Ford Torino GT.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 111, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10840 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 100):
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Choice of colorful car interiors, the good old days of blue, red, and turquois are gone now, it's black, grey or tan, that's it!

At least we finally got black back as a choice. For the longest time it was grey or tan only.

Why did the choice of colors for the interior trim fade away. One of my favorite combinations was white exterior or Silver/Gray with a blue interior.

Quoting TSS (Reply 100):
Suspended, hang on air conditioners (after market)

And good riddance to those hateful, inefficient, space-hogging, shin-banging monstrosities!

They were still OEO options on the 1966 Mustang! GM started integrating the factory A/C on their larger land yachts in the mid 1950's. As a kid I remember the splashy Black and White advertisements for Ford that showed wha's new for '65 and one of the new features was in the dash A/C. Rambler, and Mopar were behind the 8 ball on this and I don't belive they got with the A/C upgrade till the late 60's on many of their cars. Though they were inefficient and intrusive, it sure as hell beat sweating to death and in those days most car seats were vinyl!. They sold a lot of them in Florida.


Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Choice of colorful car interiors, the good old days of blue, red, and turquois are gone now, it's black, grey or tan, that's it!
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 99):
Add on lanterns (all the rage in the early 70's)

Do you mean like the carriage-style lanterns available from J.C.Whitney that could be wired up to work with the tail lights, or something else?


Yep, at least in the Baltimore and DC areas they were all the rage around 1972 to 1974 when I was in high school. We got hit with a hurricane back in 72, I believe it was Agnes and those lanterns got blown off the cars. Also "Gangsta White Wall disks" were in vogue. I remember in the auto department of Montgomery Wards they sold them and they were basically a dought sized version of the Frisbee, same material! Those coach lanterns reminded me of the wheels from the Adam's FAmily and Munster's TV series.

How could I forget the novel but fugly Lincoln/Mercury inverted "Breezeway Windows?" I remember seeing a Life magazine add where the guy handed his wife's purse through the open Breezeway window. That was still the age of innocence.



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 112, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10800 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 106):
Chevy offered concealed headlights as an option for its '67 & '69 Caprices; not sure about the '68 Caprice.

They were available on '68 and '69 Caprices as a standalone option, but were not available on the '67 models. I've seen more than one '68 Impala SS equipped with concealed headlights but according to the sales brochure they were a Caprice-only option, so I can only assume they were added post-production by either a dealer or a vehicle owner.
http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/stati...%20Chevrolet%20Full%20Size-27.html

Quoting Superfly (Reply 110):
That is true but very few Chevy buyers bought that option. Chevy folks just aren't as sophisticated as us Ford guys.

I'll leave that argument to others, but perhaps the fact that Ford made concealed headlights standard on their top models while Chevrolet left them as a separate option accounts for the relative scarcity of concealed headlights on full-size Chevrolets.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 113, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10753 times:
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I really miss the Push-Button Automatic Transmission.
I never got to use Ford's as offered on some Mercurys and Edsels.
The Chrysler version is the one I know of and used on New Yorkers and Imperials. It was a great feature IMO and got the "stick" out of the way completely. The '64 Chryslers were the end of the line.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 114, posted (11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10713 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 111):
One of my favorite combinations was white exterior or Silver/Gray with a blue interior.

You've just described the driver's training cars at my high school.
Four 1989 Ford Tauruses, white with blue interior.
That seemed to be a common color combo for all local government vehicles in the 1990s. Also rental cars.
I also drove a Ford Aerostar delivery van with that color combination for work back in the late 1990s.

Quoting TSS (Reply 112):
Ford made concealed headlights standard on their top models while Chevrolet left them as a separate option accounts for the relative scarcity of concealed headlights on full-size Chevrolets.

Ford & Mercury had a different name for their full-sized cars that didn't have the concealed headlights.
The Ford Custom 500 / Ranch Wagon and Mercury Monterey had exposed headlights. Hardly no one bought those. Only police, taxis and other service vehicle departments bought those. I've actually seen a 1975-78 Ford Ranch Wagon on the taramac at SFO as recently as 2006.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 113):
I really miss the Push-Button Automatic Transmission.

Were those reliable?

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 113):
It was a great feature IMO and got the "stick" out of the way completely.

That left a lot of room for the turntable (record player) that was an option from 1956-1962 on all full-sized Chryslers.



Another thing of the past is the full-sized convertible.
GM was the last to offer full-sized convertibles in 1975.
The Eldorado convertible went 1 more year to 1976 but that's technically a personal luxury coupe.
The 1984-85 models were even smaller.





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/Superfly8track/1968MercuryParkLane.jpg



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/1970_Cadillac_Deville_convertible_rvr.jpg

[Edited 2013-09-05 10:55:31]


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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1674 posts, RR: 9
Reply 115, posted (11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10697 times:
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Different automatic transmission quadrants on the column or dash. I learned on a 63 Oldsmobile F85, and the letters on the quadrant were PNDLR. Most cars now have PRNDL, or something close to that.

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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 116, posted (11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10679 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 114):
Quoting TSS (Reply 112):
Ford made concealed headlights standard on their top models while Chevrolet left them as a separate option accounts for the relative scarcity of concealed headlights on full-size Chevrolets.

Ford & Mercury had a different name for their full-sized cars that didn't have the concealed headlights.

As did Chevrolet: Biscayne / Bel Air / Impala= Exposed headlights only; Caprice= Optional concealed headlights.

Quoting L1011 (Reply 115):
Different automatic transmission quadrants on the column or dash. I learned on a 63 Oldsmobile F85, and the letters on the quadrant were PNDLR. Most cars now have PRNDL, or something close to that.

The standardized shift quadrant and lever mechanism for automatic transmissions was a federal mandate that went into effect in 1965 or 1966 and is also why Chrysler Corporation stopped using the pushbutton gear selector in their vehicles.



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User currently offlineDucatiRacer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10678 times:
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Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 113):
I really miss the Push-Button Automatic Transmission.



You can find them today on Aston Martins. Also, I think the new Lincoln something-or-other (who can keep track of their stupid alphabet soup names these days) has something similar.

Someone earlier asked about whether there were any remaining four door four pillar hardtops on the market. The new BMW 6-Series Gran Coupe generally fits that description as it has frameless windows on all four doors, although technically the "C" pillar is mounted to the rear doors. The Merc CLS and Audi A7 may also, but I have not really paid enough attention to them to recall.

Concerning the comments above about the bother of having the fuel filler door on the passenger side of the vehicle, I second the sentiment about it being a valueable feature if you have long doors. I have a '13 BMW M6 coupe, and for a 2 door car it is very large, with loooong doors - not 70's coupe long, but pretty damned hard to open if parked next to any structure like a pump island.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 118, posted (11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10674 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 116):
Caprice= Optional concealed headlights.

I'm pretty sure you could get the exposed headlights with the LTD but very few delivered to the dealership that way.

Quoting DucatiRacer (Reply 117):
I think the new Lincoln something-or-other (who can keep track of their stupid alphabet soup names these days) has something similar.

I hope this alphabet soup fad dies off soon.



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User currently offlineDucatiRacer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10669 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 118):
I hope this alphabet soup fad dies off soon.


As do I. And for Lincoln, it is having the exaclty opposite effect if what they want is to distance themselves from their humble Ford origins. The only way I can think of to describe a new Lincoln is to refer to the car it is based on - like the Fusion or the Taurus or the Edge, etc.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 120, posted (11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10659 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 118):
Quoting TSS (Reply 116):
Caprice= Optional concealed headlights.

I'm pretty sure you could get the exposed headlights with the LTD but very few delivered to the dealership that way.

Possibly so, although I can't help but wonder why anyone would buy an LTD with a "concealed headlight delete" option rather than the, except for interior materials and a little less sound deadening, near-identical and less-expensive Galaxie 500 which didn't have concealed headlights to begin with... but I digress.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 121, posted (11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10651 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 114):
Were those reliable?

I have NEVER heard of anyone EVER having trouble (with the Chryslers). I think AMC also had it for a while and maybe even Packard.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 114):
room for the turntable

Can you imagine what the records sounded like with all the grit that got on them!?

Quoting TSS (Reply 116):
stopped using the pushbutton gear selector in their vehicles.

I never heard that. Not surprised. Government interference----again. They are forcing the manufacturers of Dishwashers to stop using water. I guess pretty soon they will blow sand.

Quoting DucatiRacer (Reply 117):
stupid alphabet soup names

I know it! The back of my car looks like some kind of alien code from Mars.

Hey 'Fly, I see your Park Lane and dream De Ville. If you get a Caddy of that vintage plan on adding some electric blowers for the radiator. Those (472) cars overheated very easily when sitting in traffic with high external temps.! Used to piss me off sitting in downtown Atlanta on a hot summers evening stuck in traffic with the a/c off because the engine would overheat with the a/c on!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 122, posted (11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10635 times:

Quoting L1011 (Reply 115):
Different automatic transmission quadrants on the column or dash. I learned on a 63 Oldsmobile F85, and the letters on the quadrant were PNDLR. Most cars now have PRNDL, or something close to that.

Yes I remember my dad's '57 Buick was PNDLR. He replaced it with a '62 Pontiac which was PRNDL.

Quoting TSS (Reply 116):
The standardized shift quadrant and lever mechanism for automatic transmissions was a federal mandate that went into effect in 1965 or 1966 and is also why Chrysler Corporation stopped using the pushbutton gear selector in their vehicles.

I've often wondered why reverse on manual transmissions is often in different locations. You'd think there would be regulations on that too.

Example:



User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 123, posted (11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 113):
I really miss the Push-Button Automatic Transmission.

Then get yourself a 2013 Lincoln MKZ; note what's on the left of the radio/heater controls.

http://www.mikecastruccialexandria.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2013-lincoln-mkz-interior.jpg

Quoting TSS (Reply 112):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 106):
Chevy offered concealed headlights as an option for its '67 & '69 Caprices; not sure about the '68 Caprice.

They were available on '68 and '69 Caprices as a standalone option, but were not available on the '67 models.

My bad, I could've sworn a pic that my brother sent me (I can't find it now) was of the '67 model. Maybe he sent me a pic. of a '68 Caprice.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 114):
Quoting TSS (Reply 112):
Ford made concealed headlights standard on their top models while Chevrolet left them as a separate option accounts for the relative scarcity of concealed headlights on full-size Chevrolets.

Ford & Mercury had a different name for their full-sized cars that didn't have the concealed headlights.
The Ford Custom 500 / Ranch Wagon and Mercury Monterey had exposed headlights. Hardly no one bought those. Only police, taxis and other service vehicle departments bought those. I've actually seen a 1975-78 Ford Ranch Wagon on the taramac at SFO as recently as 2006.

Additionally, the '68-'70 Galaxie 500s/Country Sedans (which saw more retail action) had the same basic front end (w/exposed headlights) as the lower level Custom 500/Ranch Wagon series.

Addtionally, the '75-'78 base LTDs (which replaced the Galaxie 500 in the line-up) and '75-'76 LTD Broughams also had exposed headlights.

Bottom line, at least for full-size Fords; only the top-line models (per your earlier statement) got the exclusive concealed headlights. '69-'70 LTD/LTD Brougham/XL/Country Squire and the '75-'78 LTD Landau/Country Squire got them; all other models didn't.

The '69-'74 Mercury Montereys and the Canadian-only '69-'75 (not a typo. on that final year)Meteors were the only full-size Mercs. not to have concealed headlights for those repective years. All '76-'78 full-size Mercury models offered concealed headlights standard.

Quoting L1011 (Reply 115):
Different automatic transmission quadrants on the column or dash. I learned on a 63 Oldsmobile F85, and the letters on the quadrant were PNDLR. Most cars now have PRNDL, or something close to that.

IIRC, the 1970 Pontiac Tempest my brother briefly had had the 2-speed Power-Glide transmission and was marked PRNDS.



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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 124, posted (11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10578 times:

1. "Invisible grey" or black interiors; Blame the bean counters on this. Less parts numbers, complexity, costs. How it survived so long, I just don't get it. Thankfully now there are emerging optional colors matching or analogous to the exteriors. Some in even nice combinations. 'Bout time. But, hey, as interior color feature, remember when the instrument panels were part of the cowl steel stamping and simply painted the body color? But then we got more chrome, then padding, then wood and so on.

2. Push button transmissions; My Silverado has a 6-speed push button trans (although the buttons are on the transmission stalk). It doesn't read P-R-N-D-L but P-R-N-D-M. When "M" is selected, I can choose 1,2,3,4,5 or 6th gear up or down by pushing the button on the stalk. A separate dial, not button though, controls 2WD, 2WD traction, 4WD or 4WD low.

I thought the Edsel push buttons in the center of the steering wheel was cool, but one had to be familiar with the button locations so as not to take the eyes off the road while in motion. Mistakenly pressing "R" instead of "1" at 30mph at WOT could have probably caused a situation. Hey, what do we call the popular paddle shifters if not push button transmissions (with different shaped buttons)?

Oh, and about a standard shift pattern on manual transmissions, remember that there a ton of tranny manufactures with probably several designs for whatever specific application. I would opine that it would not be feasible to engineer and package multiple linkages to satisfy a universal criteria for unique applications. If the numbers are worn off the shift knob, read the owner's manual or buy a new shift knob.

3. Air Conditioning vents over each occupants head; My Dad's 1956 Lincoln had these. Remember, the a/c units where massive at the time. Unavailable under hood space required the unit to be packaged under the back window in the trunk. Clear ovoid plexiglass tubes conveyed the refrigerated air from the unit up underneath the back window into other tubes under the headliner and to the adjustable (sort of like an airplane) pax compartment vents.

One could always tell if a '56 Premiere or Capri buyer sprung for the dollar-heavy a/c option by those plexi tubes or the neat-looking air scoops on the rear quarter panels.

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 125, posted (11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10574 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 120):
I can't help but wonder why anyone would buy an LTD with a "concealed headlight delete" option rather than the, except for interior materials and a little less sound deadening, near-identical and less-expensive Galaxie 500 which didn't have concealed headlights to begin with... but I digress.

Come to think of it, a friend of mine has 2 Ford LTDs. A 1978 LTD Landau fully loaded and a 1975 LTD Brougham coupe. His 1975 does have the exposed headlights. It's a bare-bones stripped down LTD with the only added option is the vinyl roof and the optional 400cu".
We up-grading it by adding a clock and 8track player from another LTD at the junk yard.
The 1978 Landau has everything but the kitchen sink. I love that car!

Quoting DucatiRacer (Reply 119):
The only way I can think of to describe a new Lincoln is to refer to the car it is based on - like the Fusion or the Taurus or the Edge, etc.

I hope they come out of the wilderness.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 121):
I have NEVER heard of anyone EVER having trouble (with the Chryslers).

Was that meant to be a joke?

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 121):
Can you imagine what the records sounded like with all the grit that got on them!?

Probably very good. No one would keep the records in the car. They would melt due to the heat.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 121):
Hey 'Fly, I see your Park Lane

That may be worth it!
That car with that option is SUPER rare!
Owned by a fmr. Eastern Airlines pilot so you know the car was handled with the best care.





Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 121):
If you get a Caddy of that vintage plan on adding some electric blowers for the radiator. Those (472) cars overheated very easily when sitting in traffic with high external temps.

Will keep that in mind.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 123):
Additionally, the '68-'70 Galaxie 500s/Country Sedans (which saw more retail action) had the same basic front end (w/exposed headlights) as the lower level Custom 500/Ranch Wagon series.

Yes the base full-sized Fords were more popular in the late 1960s, by the mid to late 70s, buyers went for the top line Ford LTD Landau.
The Ford LTD has the full-size of a Cadillac, but is priced like a down-sized Chevrolet....



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 126, posted (11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10538 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 125):
Was that meant to be a joke?

Ha Ha. No. I was just making a big response because I have never heard of any one having trouble with the Chrysler push-button tranny. I'll bet the AMC one with that Borg-Warner tranny was a POS.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 125):
Owned by a fmr. Eastern Airlines pilot

That's kool. The Atlanta chapter of the Silver Falcons brought me in as an honorary member about ten years ago. I wonder if I knew this guy?

I have made contact with Clifton. Please forward a message with an e-mail address for you.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 127, posted (11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 10531 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 125):
Yes the base full-sized Fords were more popular in the late 1960s, by the mid to late 70s, buyers went for the top line Ford LTD Landau.

The shift away from bare bones full-sizes in the retail market was due to the expanded choices of sizes & models. For the price of a stripped-down full-size, one could opt for a more moderately equipped mid-size or a fully-loaded compact (think: a fully-equipped 1975 Ford Granada vs. a bare-bones LTD).

As you know, this wasn't unique w/Ford; Chevy experienced similar with their bare-bones full-size Biscaynes (dropped after 1972) and BelAirs in favor of more equipped/loaded Malibus or Novas/Concours.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 125):
The Ford LTD has the full-size of a Cadillac, but is priced like a down-sized Chevrolet....

You sound like a 1977 advertisement. http://yvincent.chez.com/photo/ford/grandes/1977_ford_ltd_landau.JPG

Quoting Superfly (Reply 125):
Come to think of it, a friend of mine has 2 Ford LTDs. A 1978 LTD Landau fully loaded and a 1975 LTD Brougham coupe. His 1975 does have the exposed headlights. It's a bare-bones stripped down LTD with the only added option is the vinyl roof and the optional 400cu".

Actually, for '75 & '76; there were three LTD trim levels available:

The base LTD, which was equipped similar to what the '74 Galaxie 500 was (except its instrument panel had full-woodgrain treatment vs. the Galaxie's half-woodgrain/half-black camera applique panel); a lower-priced retail model/moderately equipped fleet model (police, taxi, etc.).

The LTD Brougham, which was equipped similar to what the '74 base LTD was; a slightly plusher but not too lavishly equipped model. Pin-stripes, different seat & door trims, vinyl roofs & LTD Brougham badging were the visually distinctive features. The base full-bench seats on the 4-door Broughams featured armrest(s) inside the seatback.

The LTD Landau, which was equipped similar to what the '74 LTD Brougham (w/identical seat & door panel trim) and then some served as the top-of-the-line model w/concealed (or hidden) headlights. In the '75 LTD brochure, Ford even went as far as advertising its Landau model as a slightly smaller, more affordable alternative to bigger & pricier luxury cars. Visual Landau items included the fore-mentioned concealed headlights, chrome-trimed that ran from the front fender blades to the rear fender blades, egg-grate pattern in the middle of the trunk/decklid (as opposed to color-keyed applique w/LTD lettering on other models) & LTD Landau fender badging. An optional Landau Luxury Group Package (that included 2-tone woodgrain appliques on the instrument panel & rear-wheel skirts and more plush seats) dressed the Landau up to resemble a poor-man's Continental/Town Car/Coupe.

In what seemed to be more of a bean-counter's move in retrospect; Ford consolidated the Brougham & Landau trims into one trim level... the Landau for 1977. The 'basic' Landau was essentially the same as the '76 LTD Brougham contentwise except for the concealed headlights, Landau badging & egg-grate decklid pattern. One had to get the Landau Luxury Group option in order to get many of the previously-standard Landau seats & interior trim. Gone for good were the chrome-trimmed fender blades.

The above reminds me of another item that's becoming obsolete... the flexibility to add individual options as opposed to just getting a bunch in a Preferred Equipment Package. Previously, one could get a base model of a car and load it to the gills whereas another could get the top-trim level model wo no options. An example of the latter was my '76 LTD Landau coupe I had from 1993 to 2010. For a Landau model, it was fairly stripped equipmentwise; it was the only Landau I saw that did not have either the tilt-steering wheel or cruise control. It did have a handful of select options; but this model was clearly either a factory order for someone wanting concealed headlights on a car w/little or no options or a price leader for the upper/top-trim level.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 128, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 101):

Was there any interior shade with those?
The problem with T-tops is that people accidentally break them trans porting them to the trunk. Those rubber seals probably need to be replaced often.
The above reminds me of another item that's becoming obsolete... the flexibility to add individual options as opposed to just getting a bunch in a Preferred Equipment Package. Previously, one could get a base model of a car and load it to the gills whereas another could get the top-trim level model wo no options. An example of the latter was my '76 LTD Landau coupe I had from 1993 to 2010. For a Landau model, it was fairly stripped equipmentwise; it was the only Landau I saw that did not have either the tilt-steering wheel or cruise control. It did have a handful of select options; but this model was clearly either a factory order for someone wanting concealed headlights on a car w/little or no options or a price leader for the upper/top-trim level.

Did your car come with factory A/C? By the mid 70's full sized American cars in the top tier, LTD Brougham, Caprice, 88/98, Deuce and a Quarter etc. pretty much came with A/C though still listed as an option.

Another feature/design which is now history was the odd shaped steering wheel. Chrysler Plymouth's fugly full sized post Forward look early 60's land yachts had in my opinion oversized out of round steering wheels. They looked like someone took a hammer and bashed the wheel. Was this just a design thing to be differenct?



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Reply 129, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10440 times:
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Quoting zippyjet (Reply 128):
Was this just a design thing to be differenct?

It was supposed to be easier to hold on to when on a lengthy trip. Once you got used to the rectangular shape it wasn't too bad, yet, it was strange when parking as sometimes you weren't looking at the wheel and would grab at air when reaching for it. Of course, Chrysler's power-steering in those days had no "feel" to it at all. The weight of a match on the steering wheel would just about cause it to move.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 128):
A/C though still listed as an option.

And it is crazy that a lot of full-size cars did not come with a standard automatic tranny way into the 1970's! Who ever wanted a Monte Carlo with three on the tree? Or Grand Prix? I could see a Hurst 4 speed on the console. I do recall a batch of special-order (from Capital Cadillac in Atlanta) 1970 Cadillacs that got shipped somewhere in South America with three on the tree! Now that was really crazy! I'll bet you could really smoke the tires on them!



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 130, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 129):
And it is crazy that a lot of full-size cars did not come with a standard automatic tranny way into the 1970's! Who ever wanted a Monte Carlo with three on the tree? Or Grand Prix? I could see a Hurst 4 speed on the console. I do recall a batch of special-order (from Capital Cadillac in Atlanta) 1970 Cadillacs that got shipped somewhere in South America with three on the tree! Now that was really crazy! I'll bet you could really smoke the tires on them!

And I remember reading my dad's 1969 Ford Country Squire manual. And they showed sketches of the standard three on the tree manual tranny. Of course that manual was for all the Full Sized Fords which basically ran from schlock to you got to go into hock. (Base dreck plebian Custom all the way up to the loaded LTD Brougham and XL's). I remember hitch hiking home from high school back in the day and a guy picked me up in his 1968 Impala 4 door which was as stripped as one could get it. Non power steering, no power brakes, no radio and yes, the standard three on the tree manual stick shift. This was 1972 and his '68 was in pristine condition. The car looked like it was brand new or just had been detailed. The term auto detailing was yet to be in our vernacular back in 1972! He took pride in his wheels. I should have asked why he went for a stripper Impala when for the same money or less he could have gotten a Chevelle or Nova with options for the same or less. But, I didn't think to ask. He was telling me how he ordered it and bought it stripped on purpose.

And a feature that went away with the station wagons, the roof luggage rack. Speaking of station wagons at least with Ford;
My dad and my aunt both bought Ford Country Squire wagons 1969 models new.
My Dad's Squire:
*Light Blue with blue inerior
*Auto Trans (P,N,D,R, 1 and 2)
*Power Brakes
*Clock
*Third row seats
*390 V-8
*AM Radio
*"Select Aire Conditioner"

My Aunt's CS.
*Dark pea Green
*Black Interior
*429 V8
*Power Locks, Power Windows
*AM FM Multiplex Stereo
*Luggage Rack
*Third Row Seats
and all the other options my dad bought including the A/C

My dad's car was your bread and butter moderate optioned vehicle, what you'd get in a rental car. Whereas my Aunt's was loaded but, the seats were exactly the same! The standard Vinyl Bench Seats. The seats in the Country Squires were akin to what you'd get in the basic LTD or Galaxy 500 package. You couldn't get the cushy pimped out living room seats in Ford wagons at least through model year 1972! Sorry to get off on a tangent but since we are talking about cars from the past. I'm almost sure Station wagons from the General, Mopar and American Motors did the same thing with their seats. AT least through the early 1970's. It took the auto makers several more years till they figured out to offer customers the chance to pimp up their station wagons with upgraded trim and interior frills as found on their coupe and sedan counterparts.

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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 131, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10353 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 130):
I should have asked why he went for a stripper Impala when for the same money or less he could have gotten a Chevelle or Nova with options for the same or less. But, I didn't think to ask. He was telling me how he ordered it and bought it stripped on purpose.

Let me channel my Dad for a second and repeat one of his favorite car-related sayings- "Less stuff means less stuff to break, wear out, or stop working". Some people want the size/room of a full-sized car but don't want all the extra add-ons that full-sized cars typically come with. My Dad continually bemoans the fact that you can't get cars any more in a bare-bones, manual-everything configuration like the '68 Impala you mentioned.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 130):
My dad's car was your bread and butter moderate optioned vehicle, what you'd get in a rental car. Whereas my Aunt's was loaded but, the seats were exactly the same! The standard Vinyl Bench Seats. The seats in the Country Squires were akin to what you'd get in the basic LTD or Galaxy 500 package. You couldn't get the cushy pimped out living room seats in Ford wagons at least through model year 1972! Sorry to get off on a tangent but since we are talking about cars from the past. I'm almost sure Station wagons from the General, Mopar and American Motors did the same thing with their seats. AT least through the early 1970's. It took the auto makers several more years till they figured out to offer customers the chance to pimp up their station wagons with upgraded trim and interior frills as found on their coupe and sedan counterparts.

Most people who bought wagons back then did so because they needed the extra room and load-carrying versatility a wagon offered, and an easy-to-wipe-spills-off-of, all-vinyl interior was seen as a practical choice, especially if the wagon owner had kids.

An all-vinyl interior was indeed standard on Ford wagons for 1969, but the photo on page 4 of Ford's 1969 Wagon Brochure of the optional reclining passenger seatback seems to indicate that cloth was available as well.
http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/stati...Ford_Wagons_Brochure/dirindex.html

In my opinion Buick had the best idea with their full-size wagons: You could get them from the factory with the front seat upholstered in cloth and the middle and rear seats (where the kids were most likely to be) upholstered in easy-care vinyl.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 132, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10321 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 126):
Ha Ha. No. I was just making a big response because I have never heard of any one having trouble with the Chrysler push-button tranny.

I've heard that Chrysler made the best transmissions back then. Certainly wasn't the case when the K-cars came around.

I wonder how those compare to a 1973 Ford LTD.
At 60 MPH, they ride quieter than an airborne glider.



Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 126):
That's kool. The Atlanta chapter of the Silver Falcons brought me in as an honorary member about ten years ago. I wonder if I knew this guy?

It's possible. He'll tell you all about it when you meet him.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 126):
I have made contact with Clifton.

Thanks.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 126):
Please forward a message with an e-mail address for you.

Done.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 127):
The shift away from bare bones full-sizes in the retail market was due to the expanded choices of sizes & models. For the price of a stripped-down full-size, one could opt for a more moderately equipped mid-size or a fully-loaded compact (think: a fully-equipped 1975 Ford Granada vs. a bare-bones LTD).

That is true. Wasn't the Mustang II Ghia priced really high as well?
How much did the Mustang II Ghia, Cobra and King Cobra cost in 1977 and 1978 compared to the downsized Thunderbird? The smaller Torino-based Thunderbird cost less than the previous Mark IV-based T-birds.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 127):
You sound like a 1977 advertisement.

I'm such a Ford diehard that these taglines are embedded in my psyche.  
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 127):
Ford even went as far as advertising its Landau model as a slightly smaller, more affordable alternative to bigger & pricier luxury cars.

...and a fine job they did. That Landau is an incredible car and fun to drive. It does feel more sporty and agile than the Continental Town Car it's shares a platform with. It's no wonder they were popular with the police and taxis (yes I know those were stripped down versions but the same car).

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 130):
It took the auto makers several more years till they figured out to offer customers the chance to pimp up their station wagons with upgraded trim and interior frills as found on their coupe and sedan counterparts.

Mercury had already started doing that with the 1969 Colony Park.



Quoting TSS (Reply 131):
Let me channel my Dad for a second and repeat one of his favorite car-related sayings- "Less stuff means less stuff to break, wear out, or stop working". Some people want the size/room of a full-sized car but don't want all the extra add-ons that full-sized cars typically come with. My Dad continually bemoans the fact that you can't get cars any more in a bare-bones, manual-everything configuration like the '68 Impala you mentioned.

I know people like that.

Quoting TSS (Reply 131):
In my opinion Buick had the best idea with their full-size wagons: You could get them from the factory with the front seat upholstered in cloth and the middle and rear seats (where the kids were most likely to be) upholstered in easy-care vinyl.

Buick had some nice wagons as well. The last of the boxy Estate Wagons (1987-1990) were really dressed up nice. Almost too nice for a vehicle that hauls around a lot of kids.



Something else you don't have today is the large binders of paint, carpet, upholstery and vinyl trim samples.
I remember going in to car dealerships and seeing these. It reminded me of what carpet stores would have on display as carpet samples. These go for a lot of money on Ebay today.













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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2531 posts, RR: 22
Reply 133, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10300 times:
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Quoting zippyjet (Reply 130):
1968 Impala

I knew someone with a '66 Biscayne like that. It did have a heater. That thing lasted nearly forever. Maybe it is still going.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 130):
the chance to pimp up their station wagons

Yes, as the 'Fly has mentioned there was the Colony Park (the '68 was pretty nice as well!) and the Buick Estate Wagon.
AND the Olds Vista-Cruiser. I had a friend whose mother shlepped us around in a 1970 fire engine red one that was maxed-out with options and really nice. AND really FAST with that Rocket V-8.

Quoting TSS (Reply 131):
means less stuff to break, wear out, or stop working

That also applied to a lot of appliances back in the days before "mother boards" f%#ked 'em up.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 132):
they ride quieter than an airborne glider.

Yeah, but at about 10MPG they didn't "glide" very far!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 132):
Buick had some nice wagons as well.

Don't forget the Olds. Custom Cruiser. Like a 98 Station Wagon. That was a very posh beast.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 134, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10287 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 133):
I knew someone with a '66 Biscayne like that. It did have a heater. That thing lasted nearly forever. Maybe it is still going.

I've noticed the stripped down models tend to go forever. Fewer parts to brake down or wear out. Most LTD Landau owners never bothered to get a new vinyl top with the original one faded or ripped. That eyesore probably influenced them to sell their cars sooner at a cheap price and the car ends up in the wrong hands. Often time to people that just wants to thrash the car more or ghettoize them with aftermarket parts. Then end up confiscated by the police and then off to the junkyard.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 133):
Don't forget the Olds. Custom Cruiser. Like a 98 Station Wagon. That was a very posh beast.

Oh I have many fond memories playing in the back of those with the Girl Scouts.  
Before your minds wander in to the gutter, this was back when I was a kid.
When I was a kid, my mother & sisters were involved with the Girl Scouts. A friend of the family and Church member had a 1974 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser. I was always tagging along and I was thrown in the way back seats with the Brownies.


Here is an ad for the 1974 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser. This is the only car ad were they show a guy slamming a beer keg in to the trunk.

 photo 1974Oldsmobile-31_zps937faa74.jpg



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Reply 135, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10275 times:
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I drove a Mitsubishi 4x4 that was new in 2006 and came with a tape player! I thought this was somewhat ridiculous for 2006.

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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 136, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10261 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 133):
Don't forget the Olds. Custom Cruiser. Like a 98 Station Wagon. That was a very posh beast.

I had one of those as my primary vehicle for 12 years, although mine was more like a very well equipped Delta 88 (not stripped at all, but not quite as posh as a 98 trim-wise) inside. The only time I don't miss it is when I stop to buy gas.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 134):
Here is an ad for the 1974 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser. This is the only car ad were they show a guy slamming a beer keg in to the trunk.

Those and other '71-'76 GM full-size wagons had the coolest tailgate ever! The upper, glass portion retracted into the roof and the lower, metal portion retracted into the floor just forward of the rear bumper. It was engineering overkill at it's finest, and I suspect it was inspired by the shuttle bay doors on the Starship Enterprise. The body service manuals on '71-'76 GM cars have page after page of instructions on how to adjust, diagnose, and repair those tailgates.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 137, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10263 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 135):
I drove a Mitsubishi 4x4 that was new in 2006 and came with a tape player! I thought this was somewhat ridiculous for 2006.

Keep in mind many auto manufactures had/has a glut of cassette decks and put them in as a base unit. It's better than nothing at all. People still have/had their cassette tapes and didn't bother transferring them to CDs or ipods/ipads or what ever the hell the kids listen to these days.
In fact, the 2013 Toyota Century which cost $130,000 still has a cassette deck along with CD player and AUX. input.
There are still blank cassette tapes on the market.
With a proper turntable & phono cartridge and good cassette deck, you can make some great recordings that playback great in the car. Even sounds better than the CD and certainly better than the compressed Mp3 audio.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 138, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10255 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 137):
the 2013 Toyota Century which cost $130,000 still has a cassette deck along with CD player and AUX. input.
There are still blank cassette tapes on the market.

THAT would be awesome, But - if you only have the single tape player in the vehicle, and it's not a cheap vehicle, it makes no sense to go with a single option that's not the standard these days. I myself love tapes, but in the car it's a no-brainer, particularly given the ease of burning audio discs, and the cheapness of CD blanks,



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 139, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10257 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 138):
THAT would be awesome

I still remember test driving one here in Bangkok almost 3 years ago. I loved that car but they are not cheap.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 138):
But - if you only have the single tape player in the vehicle, and it's not a cheap vehicle, it makes no sense to go with a single option

As a single drive, it's not the best idea but at least you can still use a cassette adapter to play your CDs/ipods & such.
In Japan, the Toyota Crown Comfort still comes with a cassette only drive. These are often used as taxis and student driver cars.
All the last generation Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis and Town Cars had the CD/cassette combo and possibly an AUX input. PHLBOS would have to verify that.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 138):
I myself love tapes, but in the car it's a no-brainer, particularly given the ease of burning audio discs, and the cheapness of CD blanks,

That's only if you're copying from another CD. Copying from LP, reel-to-reel or 8track isn't that simple. A lot of people still have their mix tapes that they haven't converted. Then of course there are books-on-tape that was popular in the 1990s.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
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