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Assault Charges For Rolf Harris,indecent Images.  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26977 posts, RR: 57
Posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

I have to say Im very dissapointed about this. For many in the UK we grew up with him and his TV programs. Just didnt expect to see this but I guess you never really know anyone !

Assault charges for Rolf Harris

TV presenter Rolf Harris charged in UK with nine counts of indecent assault and four of making indecent images

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23880768

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3068 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
I have to say Im very dissapointed about this. For many in the UK we grew up with him and his TV programs. Just didnt expect to see this but I guess you never really know anyone !

  
However this ends up, it's really sad. A significant childhood memory stained forever.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
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Well, he did have that dodgy song about two little boys!   

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
However this ends up, it's really sad. A significant childhood memory stained forever.

I certainly don't disagree. While I was not surprised by many of those that have been charged as part of Operation Yewtree, this was one that actually shocked me. The "making indecent images" part seems to be very recent. Oh dear.



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

iirc, there was nothing dodgy about the song.

It was about friendship and commitment.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
Well, he did have that dodgy song about two little boys!  

LOL... he sang that on my QM2 trip last November. They actually raided his home whilst he was on the trip!! Little did we know.

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/QM21/file_zpsf57c696e.jpg
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Here is a video I took :



After the Jimmy Saville scandal and now this you just wonder which famous person is next !


User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
Well, he did have that dodgy song about two little boys!

Don't forget Jake the Peg, with his 'third leg'..........

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
but I guess you never really know anyone !

Not wrong.....



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2976 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
After the Jimmy Saville scandal and now this you just wonder which famous person is next !

The thing is, you could possibly expect of Saville. Rolf on the other hand, it's quite a shock.



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User currently offlineidealstandard From France, joined Apr 2009, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

My Mum's family were good friends with him and lived on the fisheries estate in Bray whilst my Mum and her sister were growing up (aged 12-16 and 14-18).

My Mum now lives in Portugal and is shocked by this news (spoke to her today). She never experienced any silly business nor did her sister, and can't believe it to be true.

Some people lead secret lives it seems.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

When they announced they were looking into an 80 odd year old Australian entertainer who lived in the UK it was fairløy obvious who they were talking about, so this should come as no surprise to anyone.

All I can say (which is something all kiwis know to be true ) is 'DIRTY AUSSIE'


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2934 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
so this should come as no surprise to anyone.

Of course it's been known they were looking at him for some time, but still a shock to see charges.



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Oh no, not him as well. I guess they're looking into all male "entertainers" of that age bracket, and sadly seem to be finding lots to investigate.


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13206 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2826 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
The thing is, you could possibly expect of Saville. Rolf on the other hand, it's quite a shock.

Sadly some of us are not surprised.
Harris was known as the 'Bombproof Aussie' in some circles, for years.
Like Savile, rumours had persisted, nothing ever concrete though.

I heard rumours about Savile nearly 20 years ago, I'm not in the media, I've always worked for BA.
But some friends who worked at the time, in the Ministry Of Defence, socialised with journalists, in those days when a drink culture still existed in many workplaces.

Then in 1996, Trainspotting author Irvine Welsh published a collection of short stories, one had a well known TV personality, with a similar dress sense to Savile, making the same sort of TV shows and lots about his charity work, who volunteered as a hospital porter. To get access to bodies for unspeakable purposes.
The same rumours I'd heard about Savile, all Welsh changed was the accent, a heavy West Country rather than a Yorkshire one.
He wasn't sued.

Louie Theroux in 2000, when he made that infamous TV film where he lived and travelled with Savile knew the rumours too.

When Savile died I was surprised that nothing came out, save for Richard Herring's tweet, the comedian quipping 'hope it's not a ploy to get access to the Mortuary!'
I wondered how many people got the joke.
Another comic, the extreme Jerry Sadowitz, was making jokes about Savile as a child abuser going back as far as 1987.
The obit in [i] The Guardian [i/] for Savile in 2011 made an oblique reference about how many found his Hospital Porter volunteering strange, odd.

Then of course, the following year, the dam broke.
(Never mind his 'jokey' references to young girls in his autobiography in 1973, that 'quip' on Have I Got News For You years later).

Stuart Hall, didn't see that one coming.
Nor Jimmy Tarbuck.
There are others, at least one superinjunction still in play (the other was for a time out for Rolf Harris), time will tell which will result in charges.
I don't intend to spread what are still gossip and rumours as far as these others are concerned.

All this is rather like the story of the Emperors New Clothes.
But the hiding in plain sight was covered in some ways, the social and sexual mores of the era from the 60's to 90's, the power 'celebs' had then, the reluctance to confront and convict evidence just from children.
This was not just about the famous and powerful either back then.

Harris got a standing ovation at a show he did in May, after the initial, less serious chargers.
Wonder what that crowd are thinking now?
This was seen as a comeback, when the police began looking into Harris last year, he checked in to the Priory, for months, even over Christmas and New Year, even being on suicide watch for a time.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

As far as one of Rolf Harris's two accusers is concerned, viewing this TV interview (on our TV this evening), the evidence seems a bit on the 'thin' side?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...oman-claims-rolf-harris-abused-her



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User currently onlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5696 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2695 times:
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Quoting NAV20 (Reply 12):
the evidence seems a bit on the 'thin' side?

She was 14 at the time .. where were her carers/chaperones... they must bear some responsibility.
Not absolving the alleged incident at all but who was looking out for this young girl?



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):
She was 14 at the time .. where were her carers/chaperones...

Agreed, stealthz. In any case, it's highly probable that she looked a lot older than she actually was.

As far as I can see, they had a dance or two. Harris had a bit of a 'grope,' 'breasts and thighs' (hands up anyone - anyone 'hetero,' anyway - on here who hasn't done that in their time?  ). She declined, and he desisted, and left her alone.

Really is a 'non-issue,' IMO. The girl concerned seems to be getting bad advice, and to be 'gold-digging.' IMO she has no chance at ALL of winning an action. On the other hand, the whole case already amounts to an 'international incident' - it's probably attracting virtually-unlimited money from both sides of the political argument.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 14):
On the other hand, the whole case already amounts to an 'international incident'

Hardly an international incident when they are both Aussies.


User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 885 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

My thoughts, after strangely humming "Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport," were "no, not Rolf!!" as like many, I grew up with him on TV and thought he was great. It's a real shame if this is true.

I do wonder if any cold cases have been pinned on Savile though.



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User currently offlinebritannia25 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Like others have said, I am also truly shocked by this - Saville didn't surprise me in the slightest but I too, like many in the UK grew up watching Rolf Harris on the TV. It seems his private persona was very different to the public one. Having said that, not many of us know what these people are really like.

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2567 times:
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Quoting bennett123 (Reply 3):
iirc, there was nothing dodgy about the song.

It was about friendship and commitment.

Yes, I know, hence the   

Quoting melpax (Reply 5):
Don't forget Jake the Peg, with his 'third leg'..........

True. And not forgetting his digeridoo!

Yes, just sit on my lap for a while little girl. Can you tell what it is yet? Hoo, ha. Hoo, ha. Hoo, ha.



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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 14):
s far as I can see, they had a dance or two. Harris had a bit of a 'grope,' 'breasts and thighs' (hands up anyone - anyone 'hetero,' anyway - on here who hasn't done that in their time? &nbsp Wink. She declined, and he desisted, and left her alone.

My hand is up! I can quite firmly say that as an adult I have never attempted to molest a minor.

This Rolf situation is quite different to what I think, (hope) you were asking. This isn't a couple of hormone charged teenagers on the dance floor at a disco. This is an adult and a child. There is a far greater burden of responsibility on him to resist the urge if he happens to be a pedophile, because the potential psychological damage suffered by the child in this situation is far greater when an adult attempts to take advantage of a vulnerable victim.


User currently onlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8269 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

Quoting melpax (Reply 5):
Don't forget Jake the Peg, with his 'third leg'..........

That was the first thing that came to my mind. Here's a link for those who have never seen it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJleJbn9G6Y

The second thing was that this guy was a great artist - even his rapid painting using house paint & brushes was amazing. I can still remember his painting an aboriginal scene on a class room wall back in the late 70's or early 80's. Talked & joked with the kids as he painted - brilliant guy with this fault showing up.

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 19):
My hand is up! I can quite firmly say that as an adult I have never attempted to molest a minor.

But when you were a minor . . .

Well, we have all been through those years and it wasn't called molesting.  Wow!


User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Judge: Jury, have you reached your verdict?

Jury: Yes your honour, we have.

Judge: Mr Rolf Harris, can you guess what it is yet?


Like others have said, when the news got released, I had to do a double take. But in the interest of fairness. He hasn't been found guilty of any charges yet.

I did a 5K fun run with Jimmy Saville, and despite all the people their and various local politicians and charity workers, he chose to surround himself with girls not much older than 13/14.

I also thought it was strange that his coffin was encased in concrete, but knowing what we know now it makes sense.



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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
But when you were a minor . . .

Well, we have all been through those years and it wasn't called molesting.

But that's my point. That wasn't the case here. We cant make the excuse that he was just acting like a red blooded hetro and comparing his situation to that of 2 minors having a bit of a grope. It IS molestation in this case. The fact that he is a pedophile dictates that he should NOT act out on his fantasies. Once he does, he harms others, and breaks the law.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 22):
It IS molestation in this case.

With respect, kiwiinoz, it's only 'alleged molestation' at this stage. The girl in the TV interview I linked to in Post 12 didn't come over as entirely convincing to me? Claiming that the incident somehow 'ruined her life,' while admitting that there was no 'penetration' or anything; and also avowing that she's married with two kids, hardly evidence of any 'ruined life' on the face of it?

I think that the current 'rush' of such cases may well consist of a lot of people 'trying it on' following the Savile case - in the hope of making some quick money out of the odd 'celebrity.' But the court, if any of the cases get there, will start by asking why, if they did indeed suffer such dreadful psychological damage, they didn't take action much sooner?



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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 23):
With respect, kiwiinoz, it's only 'alleged molestation' at this stage.

OK, agree in the fact that the charge remains to be proven, but again, not really my point. My point was that this:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 14):
As far as I can see, they had a dance or two. Harris had a bit of a 'grope,' 'breasts and thighs' (hands up anyone - anyone 'hetero,' anyway - on here who hasn't done that in their time? ). She declined, and he desisted, and left her alone.

....is not excusable and you seem to excuse it. You have also made the assumption that something, (molestation) happened, but seem to write it off as understandable, "hetero" activity. It is most certainly not excusable, and also not comparable to the same type of interaction between 2 minors, or between 2 adults, neither legally or morally.


25 Post contains links and images allrite : Was just watching an episode of The Goodies where their Observer Book of Stars says of Rolf:
26 Post contains images NAV20 : Sorry if it came over like that, kiwiinoz; didn't mean it that way! But I'm probably influenced by the fact that, way back, I had a friend who had a
27 kiwiinoz : I didn't think that's how you meant it, hence why I said this: Actually it's not that unusual. It is very common amongst sexual assault victims that
28 Post contains links and images scbriml : While that may be a possibility for the alleged sexual assaults that took place a long time ago (not that that saved Stuart Hall http://www.theguardi
29 Post contains links RussianJet : Always disappointing to see people find him guilty before he's even gone to trial. The DM are reporting today that Buckingham Palace have given his po
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