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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

So after 5 weeks of campaigning, we have arrived at election day.

By now the result in the House of Representatives is well known, but the Senate is going to be fascinating to watch tonight and over the coming week, as they try and muddle through those incredibly complex preference deals.

Wherever you are around the country, or indeed the world, I encourage you to use your vote wisely, and the best of luck for the coming 3 years!


Worked Hard, Flew Right
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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Thread starter):
So after 5 weeks of campaigning, we have arrived at election day.

So been looking forward to this day.

Hasn't this campaign just gone on and on to the point of being ridiculous.

And I heard a whisper already........

The shredders have been going over time in the PM's office !   



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Thread starter):
By now the result in the House of Representatives is well known,
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 1):
And I heard a whisper already

What!!!
The polls don't close for an hour on the east coast and 3 hours on the west. We know nothing, NOTHING, yet.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineVhqpa From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Some observations

- GRIFFITH (QLD) Kevin Rudd (ALP) at this stage is trailing ~600 votes behind Bill Glasson (LNP) with ~50% of vote counted.

- KENNEDY (QLD) Bob Katter (KAP) at this stage is trailing ~3500 votes behind Noeline Ikin (LNP) with ~34% of the vote counted.

- MELBOURNE (VIC) Adam Bandt (GRN) at this stage has a 7.58% primary vote swing to his favour with ~28% of the vote counted.



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User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

And it looks like Clive Palmer will be an MP....

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-pol...y-of-the-night-20130907-2tbtb.html



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

I am very surprised by how SMALL the swing has been in both NSW and QLD. The polls were predicting a much bigger wipeout in both W Sydney and Brisbane, with seats such as Bowen's and Swann's staying ALP.

But PUP?!? FML



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5986 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Was pleased to note that my "second home" in The Rock, NWS, has elected a former professional pilot and ATCO as their MP  

User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Rudd certainly did not look like someone whose party had just been totally thrashed at the polls while giving his concession speech....

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-pol...-election-2013-20130907-2tbzf.html



Essendon - Whatever it takes......
User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

What happened in Australia is becoming a major trend throughout the 'developed' countries/world, a shift to 'conservative' political beliefs. Generally this is mainly centered around lower taxes for the 'middle' class but often pushed by the rich and upper middle class, less regulation of business, environment and property use. From news reports I saw, the shift in Australia was over an unpopular 'carbon tax', higher taxes on mineral extraction and 'liberal' government spending.

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6585 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1832 times:

It could just be that it's time for an "alternance" as we call it in France, few countries keep the same party in power for years and years (well, few democratic and developed ones). It could also be that the president/PM was bad at their job, the fact that they ousted one PM to put another in her place is a good sign of that. It's a bit like sending Ford to the 1976 election after Nixon's resignation.


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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 8):

Quite simply, the uneducated masses from Western Sydney were swayed by three word slogans.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5986 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1823 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):

Yup, too many negative stories build up over the years and people get ousted. Same thing happened here in 2011, our 10-year centre-right coalition lost the election - but by such fine margins that the left-wing coalition (Social Democrats and Socialists) had to bite the bullet and invite the social liberals along in govenment, while courting up to the communists for the votes needed to obtain majority.


User currently offlinebmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

It seems the ALP party was more preoccupied with infighting...who was leading the party than what they SHOULD have been doing which is looking after the country...

And this is what happens...  



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User currently offlinebookishaviator From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 10):
Quite simply, the uneducated masses from Western Sydney were swayed by three word slogans.

Hardly. The Coalition gained (at least) 16 seats. Nationally, Labor experienced its lowest vote for quite some time. There was more to the loss than "Stop the Boats".



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 12):
It seems the ALP party was more preoccupied with infighting...who was leading the party than what they SHOULD have been doing which is looking after the country...

Yep, as soon as Labor began to promote any major policy implementation, or tell the story of it and Australia's economic success, the Coalition and media response was "but when will Kevin Rudd challenge Julia Gillard".

Of the 4 key policy issues outlined by TA in his acceptance speach:

1. dump the carbon tax - a stupid move from a merket based system to "picking winners" to attempt to reduce our footprint

2. better economic management - the costings show little commitment to budget change by the Coalition. The "budget black hole" was the big lie of the last 4 years.

3. stop the boats - good luck with that. Both sides have been awful on asylum seekers, but the Coalition has just kept digging down in to the indefensible and unacheivable

4. building more roads - at the same time as moving to a second rate broadband network. Great infrastructure priorities....

The last two elections have been Labor's to lose, and they finally managed it yesterday   At least my local (Labor) MP increased his majority.  

[Edited 2013-09-07 16:44:35]

User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 2):
The polls don't close for an hour on the east coast and 3 hours on the west. We know nothing, NOTHING, yet.

Gemuser, we don't need to wait for the polls to close to know what's going to happen. And as I thought, Abbott has done it, the new PM.

Congrats   

[Edited 2013-09-07 16:52:10]


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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

I have to admit to being surprised at the apparent humility of TA's speech, and the lack of the word "mandate". I suspect they already knew the Senate would be hostile and will nbeed to tread very carefully, given their trenchant opposition, especially since 2010.

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 10):
Quite simply, the uneducated masses from Western Sydney were swayed by three word slogans

That's been my view for the last 3 years, which is why I am really surprised by the results.

IMHO the significant result (for both sides) is not that the LNP won, but where they won. At this stage, LNP only gained Robertson in Western Sydney, although counting is continuing in others which are close. Similarly, with the exception of Petrie which is too close to call, ALP retained every electorate in Queensland.

This tells me two things (1) opinion polling was WAY out, and (2) people are more intelligent than News Limited thought they were.

I'm actually quite shocked: while the return of the Ruddbott will, rightly, be criticised for many reasons, in retrospect he did what he was brought in to do by sandbagging those two areas.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 17):
in retrospect he did what he was brought in to do by sandbagging those two areas.

But you cant be sure how it would of ended, if Gillard was still running the show ?

As unpopular as she was..... they said that about Kevin too !



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 14):
3. stop the boats - good luck with that. Both sides have been awful on asylum seekers, but the Coalition has just kept digging down in to the indefensible and unacheivable

4. building more roads - at the same time as moving to a second rate broadband network. Great infrastructure priorities....

I agree on both counts. The Coalition has dug themselves a massive hole with asylum seekers: I don't think that it is physically possible for them - or anyone else - to 'stop the boats', yet they've made it such a big part of their idenitity that they are bound to disappoint.

As for NBN... I am devastated. That was something which would truly 'build the infrastructure of the twenty first century' and improve our national productivity. But no, according to TA, 'twenty first century' infrastructure means ROADS!!! Maybe light rail or HSR would count as 'twenty first century', but roads???

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 14):
dump the carbon tax

The final makeup of the Senate is going to be fascinating



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 15):
Gemuser, we don't need to wait for the polls to close to know what's going to happen. And as I thought, Abott has done it, the new PM.

Yes we do! Until about 8:00pm its all speculation! Opinion polls are speculation.
I'll grant you by about 8:00 it wasn't speculation, the fastest poll declaration, by commentators, since 1972 AFAIR.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 20):
Yes we do! Until about 8:00pm its all speculation! Opinion polls are speculation.
I'll grant you by about 8:00 it wasn't speculation, the fastest poll declaration, by commentators, since 1972 AFAIR.

Come on now, It was a always going to be a Fait accompli

Quoting gemuser (Reply 20):
I'll grant you by about 8:00 it wasn't speculation, the fastest poll declaration, by commentators, since 1972 AFAIR.

On channel two, which I was watching, Stephen Smith called it at out at 3 mins into the start of the program !



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

So the Senate is even more f***** than in Abbott's worse nightmare. It is going to be a fascinating three years come July 1 next, I'll give you that much!

There are 76 seats in the Senate. You therefore need 39 for a majority.

LNP = 33

Assuming that ALP and Greens decide to block legislation, then LNP need - by my count - to pick up the support of 6 of the following:

PUP (2, QLD and TAS)
Xenophon (1, SA)
DLP (1, VIC)
Family First (1, SA)
Motoring Enthusiasts (1, VIC)
Australian Sports Party (1, WA)
Liberal Democrats (1, NSW)

I'm assuming that PUP, FFP, Xenophon, and DLP probably won't be an issue (so long as LNP throw them a bone occasionally). Also I imagine that Motoring Enthusiasts would be relatively pro-LNP, so legislation should be able to get through, but it will be bizarre nonetheless!



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User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Tony Abbott's acceptance speech was gatecrashed by an photobomber......

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-pol...dodge-security-20130908-2tdfv.html

Which reminds me of this, The major parties put together short videos for the Big Brother housemates a couple of weeks back. 'I'm the guy with the not bad looking daughters.......'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmyoRNL0hrQ



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 21):
On channel two, which I was watching, Stephen Smith called it at out at 3 mins into the start of the program !

Yes he did BUT it was still speculation/opinion and that's what he said it was. By 8:00 it was pretty much fact.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 22):
DLP (1, VIC)

No DLP in VIC. 2 Libs, 2 ALP, 1 Greens, 1 AMEP. The DLP was excluded on the 27th distribution. There are only 7 independents in the Senate, not 8 as you listed above.

But I agree it should be interesting and quite bizarre.

Gemuser



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25 RyanairGuru : But he was already there from the 2010 election, remember that Senators have 6 year terms.
26 SpaceshipDC10 : This reminds me the situation in Germany in 2005. Schröder (center-left) had to call early elections since he had lost support in most states, and a
27 gemuser : I beg your pardon, I only looked at the list of NEW Senators! Me too, especially as it is/was due to come down my street in Q1 2014! More especially
28 mariner : I thought the Rudd concession speech was dreadful - (twenty two minutes, twice as long as Abbot's victory speech - and with all the usual Rudd waffle,
29 AyostoLeon : Rather than force a costly bye election on the taxpayers, if the Labor Party believe that Rudd is likely to be a damaging and destabilising influence
30 mariner : I can't imagine that happening. He still has some powerful backers in the party - although possibly not as many as he had last Friday night - and I'm
31 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Tuche And I was a bit harsh on building new roads. Roads have a place, and we do need infrastructure investment, especially in critical areas such as
32 allrite : Unfortunately, it appears that the Labor Party have already learned little from the election blaming it mostly on disunity. Yes, disunity was likely
33 AyostoLeon : If Rudd and Swan were to resign their seats it is quite likely that a bye election would result in the seats being won by the LNP. But why should the
34 allrite : He's probably happy to bide his time until an appropriate ambassadorial role comes up.
35 TheCommodore : I'm sure he would take up the offer, like they all do, however, he'd rather be running the UN !!
36 solarflyer22 : As an outside American observer, I have to say your politics sound a bit complicated. It sounds like there are a huge number of competing groups that
37 Post contains images AyostoLeon : There's a thought. I hear that there is a vacancy in Syria. He could call the factions together and waffle them into inertia, er a peaceful settlemen
38 allrite : In the scheme of things they are small issues that have been made huge by a previous government trying to distract voters, shock jocks and an ex-Aust
39 Post contains links TheCommodore : Take a look at the treaty between both countries. It called ANZUS Australia, New Zealand, United States, Treaty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZUS B
40 Kent350787 : Absolutely agreed. Pity Bernardi and whatshername-wells are in the senate - a troika of ideologues there we'd all be better off without
41 SpaceshipDC10 : Of course roads have a place but as you say, only considering them for a country's infrastructure need is very short sighted. There was a time when p
42 TheCommodore : We still have power, and in some areas, telephone lines above ground, every time the wind blows hard enough, the lights go out ! And the cost to prod
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