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2020 Olympics Host City to be Tokyo  
User currently onlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3746 posts, RR: 11
Posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Today the IOC will announce which of Tokyo, Istanbul or Madrid will host the 2020 Summer Olympics.

Any last minute guesses?

I'm thinking Tokyo myself.
Istanbul would have been a good choice but the IOC might have been hesitant a bit due to the constant possibility of regional turmoils.
Then again, Madrid did make a solid case, and while Tokyo was rumored to be favorite, could the latest news about the uncontrolled radiation leaks around Fukushima have triggered a last minute swing?

Here's an interesting BBC article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/23973059

Announcement today @ 20:00 UTC.

[Edited 2013-09-06 23:15:04]


Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26949 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

I would like to see Istanbul get it. They have the finances and will have everything that needs built for it.

User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2758 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

http://iberosphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Madrid-2020-Ciudad-Aspirante-logo.jpg

              

I guess you can tell who am I rooting for  

MIAspotter.



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User currently onlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

My guess is Tokyo. Madrid is not in the right economical situation, and Istanbul also wants to host the final games of the European Football Championship, together with the Olympics that may be a bit much.


Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6609 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

The arguments you mention don't matter one bit.

Who put the most money in the right persons' pockets is what matters.



New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently onlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 4):
Who put the most money in the right persons' pockets is what matters.

No. That matters also, but not exclusively.



Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 2):
I guess you can tell who am I rooting for

So no prizes for guessing correctly?   



Potestatem obscuri lateris nescitis
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

So we'll know in about an hours time. There's a live stream available on the IOC website: http://www.olympic.org/2020-host-city-election

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26949 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

I also think Istanbul has the best candidate logo too.



User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26949 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Announcement later live on link above.

[Edited 2013-09-07 12:07:49]

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

So a tie between Madrid and Istanbul at the first time of asking. Nothing certain yet of course, but it smells like a Tokyo win.

Edit: Oooh, Madrid eliminated, so it's between Instanbul and Tokyo now.

[Edited 2013-09-07 12:03:11]

User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Istanbul for the win !!! 


JESÚS, TE AMO !!
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 10):
Oooh, Madrid eliminated

Sad news.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 11):
Istanbul for the win !!! 

Yeah, let's hope so--I think it could be very interesting.



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26949 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

So the Winner is :::::


TOKYO !!!!


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

The safe bid it is then. A shame for Istanbul, but I'm sure Tokyo will stage some splendid games.

60 votes for Tokyo.
36 votes for Istanbul.

So a fair and clear result.

[Edited 2013-09-07 13:31:24]

User currently onlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

Those will be good Games.

Madrid and Istanbul would have been great host cities as well, but with Tokyo, you've just got the extra security that everything will work out well.



Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6609 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Let's hope it'll motivate the Japanese government to do more to stop the Fukushima disaster and clean up the mess !


New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

IOC went with the safe pick - not surprising after the uncertainty surrounding Sochi and Rio.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlinebritjap From Japan, joined Aug 2006, 280 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Tokyo 2020!!! FTW...

Already had some people booking space on my floor for summer 2020!! I'll look forward to it.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8958 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
IOC went with the safe pick - not surprising after the uncertainty surrounding Sochi and Rio.

And Istanbul during the U-20 World Cup this year.



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

やったぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁ!!!!!!!おめでとうございます、東京!!!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! TOKYO!!!!!!!        

As my long term plans keep me in Tokyo for a long time, I can't be any happier right now. This will be HUGE for Japan.

Japan is a country of transformation, and the last 20 years were devoid of any transformation. Hopefully the Olympics, coupled with Abenomics, transforms Japan into a world leader into the future.

Omedetougozaimasu. To all my ex-pat and local Anutters in Japan, we MUST have an olympic meet     

(Or all of us get together in Tokyo next week after I get back, and drink ourselves silly at an Izakaya!)



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently onlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5684 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):
transforms Japan into a world leader into the future

I would've thought it was there already. Is there any country on this planet that runs their transport systems like the Japanese? Congrats to Tokyo, btw, even though I won't be watching any of it.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12457 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Q: Got a stagnant economy, an aging population and four charred nuclear reactors in the hinterland brewing nuclear tea for the next forty years or so?

A: Host the Olympics and all will be better!



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Really happy Tokyo won. Such an incredible city, such an incredible country. Really, really happy for Japan.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
Q: Got a stagnant economy, an aging population and four charred nuclear reactors in the hinterland brewing nuclear tea for the next forty years or so?

A: Host the Olympics and all will be better!

In my opinion, people overlook Japan and count it out far too quickly.

Japan may have a "stagnant economy" and "aging population," but if there is any country that could innovate its way out of such problems, it's Japan. This is a country that went from feudal lords to industrial giant on a global scale virtually overnight, and then rebuilt itself literally from the rubble of war to become the world's second largest economy - again in essentially one generation.

Sure, Japan may be aging (along with virtually every developed and developing country), but it has wealth on a scale only a handful of other countries on earth can possibly match. It's technological capability is the envy of the world - still a global leader - and will be the key to finding ways to substitute robotics and mechanization for human capital. Japan is already moving in that direction, and will likely then be able to sell or export that technology at a profit.

What an impressive place.


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

I think Tokyo is a bit of an unfair choice, seeing as how the 2018 Winter Games will be in Pyeongchang, South Korea. Shouldn't the Olympic games be held in a different part of the world each games?

I've never been to Tokyo, but I've heard horror stories of how congested the infrastructure is, and I am forced to wonder if that was really a good option. Honestly, I'd like to see a place like South Africa put in a bid for a games. I don't know what the infrastructure is like there, but according to what I'm reading on Wikipedia, there's never been an Olympic games of any type on that continent.

I know that Philadelphia is considering putting in a bid for the 2022/2024 games, and even though it's my hometown, I can tell you that we don't have the infrastructure!

Marc


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 25, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 21):
I would've thought it was there already. Is there any country on this planet that runs their transport systems like the Japanese? Congrats to Tokyo, btw, even though I won't be watching any of it.

Well the transportation system in Japan is unmatched in my opinion, but I'm talking about revitalizing the economy, getting people excited and motivated, and everything else.

Quoting commavia (Reply 23):
Japan may have a "stagnant economy" and "aging population," but if there is any country that could innovate its way out of such problems, it's Japan. This is a country that went from feudal lords to industrial giant on a global scale virtually overnight, and then rebuilt itself literally from the rubble of war to become the world's second largest economy - again in essentially one generation.

That's my argument for Japan. When I look at Japan, I see it as a country of transformation and adaptation. Japan adapted everything they now have and made it "Japanese." And it worked until someone somewhere during the bubble economy decided "ok, everything's fine. No more change. We're the best, no need for outsiders anymore." The economy burst, no one did anything and the dark ages of Japan followed....

Japan needs to let more immigrants in, improve the lives of women and the current young generations so they're encouraged to have kids, and in my opinion, that will help bring Japan's population and workforce back.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 24):
I know that Philadelphia is considering putting in a bid for the 2022/2024 games, and even though it's my hometown, I can tell you that we don't have the infrastructure!

I hope someone in the states submits a bid. I'd love Philly as an olympic city!

As for Phoenix, that won't happen. It's too damn hot in the summer for my favorite American city   



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 25):
I hope someone in the states submits a bid. I'd love Philly as an olympic city!

I'd like to see it too. Certainly we have ample facilities (Lincoln Financial Field, Citizens Bank Park, Wells Fargo Center, etc.), but I don't think there are enough hotels in the area to handle the influx of visitors. If the Philadelphia government can get its act together and boost our mass transit system, and find hotel rooms among other essentials, we would be a great city because we could host summer, or winter games (think Pocono Mountains). The only thing would be working with the professional/college teams in the area to schedule them for 2 and a half weeks on the road.

Marc


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25166 posts, RR: 48
Reply 27, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Shame. This would be Japan's 4th Olympics, and just on the back of Far-East also hosting the Winter games in 2018.

To me it would have been nice to see Turkey - a true cultural bridge between East and West as the host.
I also believe it would have sent a nice message of inclusion to the broader Near East region.

While I also personally love Madrid, in fairness, Spain has also had the opportunity to host before which as with Japan should have made Istanbul a better choice.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12457 posts, RR: 25
Reply 28, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 23):
Japan may have a "stagnant economy" and "aging population," but if there is any country that could innovate its way out of such problems, it's Japan.

Two years on they don't seem to be displaying such prowess in Fukushima. They seem to be deeply in denial, with government pointing fingers at industry and vice versa. I do wish Japan well, but it seems they are taking on an awful lot.



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 24):
I've never been to Tokyo, but I've heard horror stories of how congested the infrastructure is, and I am forced to wonder if that was really a good option. Honestly, I'd like to see a place like South Africa put in a bid for a games. I don't know what the infrastructure is like there, but according to what I'm reading on Wikipedia, there's never been an Olympic games of any type on that continent.

They'll probably build venues 100 miles away lol. Does Tokyo have a large stadium in Tokyo proper? I have no doubt they will be spectacular and technologically stunning, especially in 2020. Who knows what technological advances will occur then.

I would have liked to see Istanbul, but only due to the east/west thing. Plus Turkish history is fascinating and it's quite the emerging country. But Tokyo is fine, I do like their logo the best out of those. Madrid would have reminded me too much of Barcelona games. The Madrid one reminds me too much of the late 1960s NBC Peacock logo ("In Color")


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 25):
Well the transportation system in Japan is unmatched in my opinion, but I'm talking about revitalizing the economy, getting people excited and motivated, and everything else.

Its good that Tokyo is hosting the Olympics, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. Any boost to the economy will only be temporary- the Olympics alone is not enough to revitalized an economy, and if improperly managed can make things worse.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 31, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 27):
To me it would have been nice to see Turkey - a true cultural bridge between East and West as the host.

All things being equal, Istanbul would have been the best choice, but with the instability both in Turkey and the region, I can see why the IOC shied away from it.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

I guessed Istanbul, but glad it was Tokyo.

This MAY get me to go to Japan finally... I wish it were the winter Olympics, though.

2020 is a long ways away, but maybe I can learn very basic Japanese by then... lol



Restoring Penn State's transportation heritage...
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 33, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 29):
They'll probably build venues 100 miles away lol. Does Tokyo have a large stadium in Tokyo proper?

There's the Olympic Stadium smack dab in the center of Tokyo. It'll have to be upgraded over the coming years, but it's more or less guaranteed to finished well ahead of 2020, as it'll host games when Japan is hosting the 2019 Rugby World Cup!

And IIRC all but 3 of the proposed venues are within 8 km of the Olympic Village (which I assume is centered on the Olympic Stadium).


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 34, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 28):
Two years on they don't seem to be displaying such prowess in Fukushima. They seem to be deeply in denial, with government pointing fingers at industry and vice versa. I do wish Japan well, but it seems they are taking on an awful lot.

Well, it is TEPCO's fault and the government told TEPCO to shove it and will take over the cleanup from there.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 29):
They'll probably build venues 100 miles away lol. Does Tokyo have a large stadium in Tokyo proper? I have no doubt they will be spectacular and technologically stunning, especially in 2020. Who knows what technological advances will occur then.

There's a few. The Budokan will most certainly be used again.
Yoyogi National Gymnasium will also be used.
Meiji Jingu Stadium and Tokyo Dome are also guaranteed to be used as well.

Tama region will be used for cycling

Tamagawa, Edogawa, or Sumidagawa for river sports

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 32):
This MAY get me to go to Japan finally... I wish it were the winter Olympics, though.

When you're here, I'll show u around  
Quoting cjg225 (Reply 32):
2020 is a long ways away, but maybe I can learn very basic Japanese by then... lol

I learned it adequately enough in 2 years.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 33):
And IIRC all but 3 of the proposed venues are within 8 km of the Olympic Village (which I assume is centered on the Olympic Stadium).

I think 90% is within the Yamanote loop, which also has a gazillion subway lines enclosed within.



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

This'll be really interesting in another way. Japan is in a LOT better shape than Brazil. I have a bad feeling about the Rio games in terms of crime and stuff like that. Lots of pressure may be on Japan if Brazil can't get their act together.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 34):
I learned it adequately enough in 2 years.

Allegedly, my family has a gift for languages. I just can't bring myself to really learn another. Italian is my strongest second language, and I never practice (no need to...). I actually took Japanese one summer, though.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 34):
When you're here, I'll show u around

Thanks.  



Restoring Penn State's transportation heritage...
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 36, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 35):
Japan is in a LOT better shape than Brazil

Well I personally think this is the perfect opportunity to completely 100% bring Japanese transportation technology and other technologies to the forefront.

Some Ideas that Tokyo needs to do before 2020:

1) 24 hr trains and subways (to be tested later this year on one line)

2) Better taxi service (lower fares, longer distances, better cars

3) Improve NRT to be able to handle more airplanes (one more runway, improved taxiways, remodel T1)

4) Improve the connections between HND and the mainland (no more late night int'l flights, faster and more modern Monorail cars, maybe extend the line northwards a bit)

5) improved safety at stations: wider platforms, platform screen/edge doors, efforts to prevent suicides, more station amenities (they already kick ass, i'm saying kick MORE ass)

6) That Hokuriku Shinkansen should be completed by 2017; maybe follow up with the proposed idea of sending the line from Omiya to Shinjuku (Underground)

7) even faster Tokaido shinkansen (use the E6 technology on Nozomi services, 300km/h, try to get to Osaka in 2 hours instead of 2.5 hours

8) revamp the freeways. If possible, make them a bit wider, and more accessible to tourists who will drive.

9) revitalize Shinjuku. More hotels, do away with the seedy bars, and open up some really good restaurants.

10) create a 'new urban development' this could be the Olympic village: Hi-rises, huge train station, observation tower, landmark, plaza, restaurants, shops, something attractive



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5452 posts, RR: 5
Reply 37, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 33):
2019 Rugby World Cup!

IMHO, that was much more significant news. I was ECSTATIC when Japan won the RWC host bid. It will be great for the game of Union. It will spread awareness of the game into new markets, which will in turn hopefully encourage a more competitive landscape other than the old 10 (6 Nations + TriNations + Argentina). Hopefully it will also substantially increase playing and spectating rates outside of those 10 markets.

Olympics though? I'm nowhere near as happy, it should have gone to Istanbul.



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2758 posts, RR: 25
Reply 38, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Oh well, Madrid got the kick for the 4th time.

Congratulations to Tokyo tho, I am pretty sure they will put up a jolly good show  

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Congratulations to TOKYO.

Also congratulations to Istanbul as well, we've just save some 20B USD  


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12457 posts, RR: 25
Reply 40, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 34):
Well, it is TEPCO's fault and the government told TEPCO to shove it and will take over the cleanup from there.

I will address that in the Ice Wall thread...

Again, congrats to Japan and hope the Olympics go off well!



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 25):
As for Phoenix, that won't happen. It's too damn hot in the summer for my favorite American city

As much rhetoric as there was about the taxpayers funding the Arizona Diamondbacks stadium I wouldn't expect it either. However that was 15 years ago and look how many stadiums have built around Phoenix since, including for the Coyotes and Cardinals. Yes the summer heat is a killer but I'd have thought that about Atlanta too. I believe Seoul had their summer games in October. That could work in Phoenix but it would seem unlikely to fit with American culture.
Still I'm not holding my breath and would be tremendously surprised if anyone ever puts together a serious bid for Phoenix.


User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 42, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Congrats to Tokyo... it was a no brainer, really.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 36):

Well I personally think this is the perfect opportunity to completely 100% bring Japanese transportation technology and other technologies to the forefront.

I don't think the Japanese need to convince anyone about the superiority of their transportation infrastructure or build some sort of single-purpose Potemkin Village the way Russians do in Sochi for which there will be no real use in post-olympic games days. Any investments should be made with regard to usability and usefulness in everyday use, not because of warholian 15 minutes of dubious fame during the Games... E.g. does NRT really need a new runway taking into account projected growth in the next decade or so? If not, it's not necessary... funnel people through HND and/or KIX. Most people will travel around on JR Passes anyway, I assume.
The whole concept of modern Olympics in terms of infrastructure demands by the corrupt clowns at the IOC is becoming insane.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19575 posts, RR: 58
Reply 43, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):
As my long term plans keep me in Tokyo for a long time, I can't be any happier right now. This will be HUGE for Japan.

And if you are smart you will want to escape to the mountains in the summer of 2020. You think Tokyo is crazy now... just wait.  


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 44, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 43):
And if you are smart you will want to escape to the mountains in the summer of 2020. You think Tokyo is crazy now... just wait.

Hahaha you know what? A short 70 minute train ride on a Saturday Morning Holiday Rapid Okutama train takes me right to the very end of the Chuo-Ome line, and Okutama is one of the most beautiful areas in Japan....and it's still in Tokyo, too!

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 42):
unnel people through HND and/or KIX. Most people will travel around on JR Passes anyway, I assume.

I could see that as an option, actually.

A friend who works at JR East said they've already proposed a special "olympic package" for JR East. Unlimited rides on the Greater Tokyo network and on the Shinkansen (except for the Nozomi) for a special price.



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 45, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 44):
A friend who works at JR East said they've already proposed a special "olympic package" for JR East.

Seems like a reasonable idea. That will allow hotels in cities in a reasonable travel distance (1-2 hours) from Tokyo (Yokohama, Nagoya, perhaps even Kyoto?, Osaka?) to get their share of visitors without the need to build too much of additional hotel capacity for which there will be no demand afterwards.
I travel quite frequently to Wroclaw which is a typical example of where insanity called spending just for the World Cup, Euro (football) or Olympics leads to. They built a whole number of new, global chain hotels just for the Euro 2012 and there is simply no market for such capacity on a normal business day. From a consumer perspective it's great that one can enjoy a 5* hotel for 50 EUR even on a weekday, but how economically viable that is in mid- and long-term I am not really sure.

[Edited 2013-09-08 16:46:17]

User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

No matter what city won the Olympic bid, the coverage of the Olympics by NBC will suck. NBC stands for Nothing But Commercials, and in between those commercials will be NBC's self promotions for their upcoming season of lousy programming. All this will be interrupted by two minutes per hour of actual sports competition.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 47, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 46):
No matter what city won the Olympic bid, the coverage of the Olympics by NBC will suck. NBC stands for Nothing But Commercials, and in between those commercials will be NBC's self promotions for their upcoming season of lousy programming. All this will be interrupted by two minutes per hour of actual sports competition.

I always said it was "Nothing But Crap" due to their leftist leaning   

But in all realities, yeah it will suck. It's just a big money grab for them.

Japan had excellent coverage last year.



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 48, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 46):
No matter what city won the Olympic bid, the coverage of the Olympics by NBC will suck. NBC stands for Nothing But Commercials, and in between those commercials will be NBC's self promotions for their upcoming season of lousy programming. All this will be interrupted by two minutes per hour of actual sports competition.

Amen...I can't stand the constant flood of "touching human interest story" vignettes and showing mainly the US athletes. If the point of the Olympic games is to bring the world together NBC doesn't do a very good job of supporting that.

Good for Tokyo, should be interesting.


User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1916 times:

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 48):
If the point of the Olympic games is to bring the world together NBC doesn't do a very good job of supporting that.

At the same time, it's an American channel...

Have you watched much coverage from other countries' channels?



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User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 50, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 49):
Have you watched much coverage from other countries' channels?

Have you?
During the London Olympics the national TV over here broadcasted nothing but Olympics 24/7 for the whole three weeks on two channels simultaneously (main, mostly live program on one channel, recorded stuff on the other)... no commercials. Many of the sports televised were, of course, without any participation of the local sportsmen.
I still remember the disappointment when I was in the US during the Winter Olympics in Lillehammer and all I have got from a hockey game I wanted to watch was like 15 minutes net and those endless commercials every two minutes were just sooo annoying.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8134 posts, RR: 26
Reply 51, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 24):
I've never been to Tokyo, but I've heard horror stories of how congested the infrastructure is,

Nobody will really be able to work for the 2 weeks the Olympics are on, so the Yamanote line and subway lines will not be at their usual commute crush levels.

Horror story is relative anyway - at least the infrastructure here is affordable, works, and is rarely, if ever, late.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 27):

Shame. This would be Japan's 4th Olympics, and just on the back of Far-East also hosting the Winter games in 2018.

Have to agree in a way. My biggest problem with this bid is that it went to Tokyo's LDP lap dogs instead of a city worthy of attention like Fukuoka or Osaka.



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 50):
Have you?

No, that's why I asked.

Filler filler filler



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 53, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 49):
At the same time, it's an American channel...

Have you watched much coverage from other countries' channels?

I get that people want ample coverage of the home team...but NBC has taken it to the point where the only time you might see other competitors is if they are going against the US. I'd like to see some of the other countries in action!


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 34
Reply 54, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 42):
The whole concept of modern Olympics in terms of infrastructure demands by the corrupt clowns at the IOC is becoming insane.

I agree. I honestly don't see what the great "honor" is in hosting an Olympics.

Let's see...your country/region/city gets a shaking down by IOC, has to expend untold funds just to even SECURE the bid, then has to execute on a massive porkbarrel spending project of such largesse and scale to build infrastructure that may or may not be repurposed sufficiently.

The whole thing is a scam of herculean proportions. Graft, corruption, etc still abound. All for a few weeks of athletic competition that doesn't seem to captivate the world as much as we're told it does.


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 55, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 51):
Nobody will really be able to work for the 2 weeks the Olympics are on, so the Yamanote line and subway lines will not be at their usual commute crush levels.

Horror story is relative anyway - at least the infrastructure here is affordable, works, and is rarely, if ever, late.

Is it Tokyo or Seoul where they actually have people whose job it is to push people into packed subway cars? (At least that's what I heard on a subways documentary a couple years ago).

Marc


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5452 posts, RR: 5
Reply 56, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 49):
Have you watched much coverage from other countries' channels?

Having watched the Olympics in three countries, there is no doubt in my mind that NBC had the worse coverage. Beyond the commercials, it was as though there was no other country competing except the USA, and a lot of events are abridged.

In 2012 I was in the UK (actually I went to the volleyball, Australia v Italy, USA v Russia) and the BBC coverage was SUPERB. I know that they were the host nation, but it was faultless (other than the cheap jokes about Yorkshire doing better than Australia ). The commentary was impartial, and there was a good balance of sports and competitors, live and unabridged.

I didn't see last years Australian coverage, although I hear it was fairly dire. Nine Network had the rights, so anyone familiar with Australian TV would probably agree that it is therefore unsurprising that it was a poor showing. That said, I would still pick Nine over NBC. In 2008, the Australian rights were shared between Channel 7 and SBS, and I thought that both did a really, really decent job, not as comprehensive as BBC but I was a little miffed that Nine got them given that 7 had done so well and Nine's reputation isn't exactly enviable!



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3127 posts, RR: 6
Reply 57, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
we would be a great city because we could host summer, or winter games (think Pocono Mountains).

Think further away. Nothing in the Poconos is greater than 1000' vertical, and the Downhill needs at least 800m (2600'). Vertical-challenged bidding venues have many creative solutions to arriving at the regulation vertical -- extra lift above tree line, ramps and towers -- but can't do much about adding 1500' to the top of a mountain.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 38):

Oh well, Madrid got the kick for the 4th time.

If Tokyo had lost, it would have been their 4th loss as well, though they did host in 1964. This is Istanbul's 5th or 6th loss, I think.

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 41):
I believe Seoul had their summer games in October.

Close, last 2 weeks of September, closing Oct. 2. Tokyo's 1964 games were in October.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 47):
It's just a big money grab for them.

I guess given how much money they pay for the broadcast rights, they deserve to recoup. NBC is probably the largest single funding entity for the Olympic Games. For all the Ameri-centric commercial-ridden main-channel broadcasting, which I agree is not good, I was quite happy with the internet coverage. I watched entire tournaments of soccer and volleyball live-streaming (or sometimes delayed) online. I would imagine this option will expand even further. I think there were some blackouts of games they intended to broadcast in full later. I also recall there were some workarounds to internet blocking in order to find foreign live-streaming programming (such as from the BBC or Canada).

-Rampart


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 58, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 51):
Nobody will really be able to work for the 2 weeks the Olympics are on, so the Yamanote line and subway lines will not be at their usual commute crush levels.

Just hope there's none of the dreaded jinshin jiko    That would be god-awful, especially before or after a big event.

Quoting rampart (Reply 57):
If Tokyo had lost, it would have been their 4th loss as well, though they did host in 1964. This is Istanbul's 5th or 6th loss, I think.

Well I hope Istanbul and Madrid put their hat into the ring once more. I would love to see the olympics in Spain (contacts there   )

Quoting rampart (Reply 57):
I guess given how much money they pay for the broadcast rights, they deserve to recoup. NBC is probably the largest single funding entity for the Olympic Games

Well on a less-pessimistic note, NBC traditionally has been doing the olympics for as long as I can remember.



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