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Sepp Blatter Defiant On Qatar WC  
User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/15...ant-2022-world-cup-mistake?cc=5901

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/f...2022-but-what-about-discrimination

Man is this guy some piece of work. Now that the English FA and other leagues have made their position clear it will be interesting to see how FIFA pressures them to change their mind on the tournament schedule.


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Considering that traditionally the World Cup has been held during the off-season of the majority of leagues in the world (MLS is one of the few leagues whose season is scheduled during that time.), it would create issues in the vast majority of leagues since they follow the traditional Fall-Spring schedule. Some of the European leagues are the most popular leagues in the world and the UEFA Champions League is a widely watched competition as well. Leagues are not going to want to lose their best players for the better part of a month for the World Cup, nor would leagues want to have to compete with the World Cup for viewers. These leagues would be unlikely to shut down for a month either, as they would either have to extend the length of the season or try to squeeze in those lost matches into what can be a pretty tight schedule for some clubs.

User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3739 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

The video answers that concerns by saying that countries in equatorial regions should not be at a disadvantage because of weather, and that Europe is not the centre of the world's football anymore.

While that might be true, I don't see how it applies to Qatar. It's hardly a big football nation to start with, and, let's be frank here, the only reason they got to host the thing in the first place is the insane amounts of money they made rain on FIFA's heads...

There is no more reason to host a football championship in the middle of a scorching desert than there is hosting an F1 GP there. No fans, no history, just a desperate need for attention.

And in this case, it's more than political. There are also a lot of economic interests in major European championships during that season, and I can see FIFA being under a lot of fire from clubs, state coaches who won't be able to get their players, broadcast networks who will have to choose between a championship and a World Cup happening at the same time, sponsors, etc.

Serves the FIFA right.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12397 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2919 times:
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I was gob-smacked when Qatar was awarded the WC. The very concept of playing top-level, competitive football in 40-45C is simply insane. There are many other unanswered questions relating to the fans as well. I have spent a fair bit of time in Qatar and it isn't anywhere as 'relaxed' as Dubai or Oman. I can imagine a lot of issues with large groups of fans who've had more than a drink or two.

What astonishes me is that this issue wasn't dealt with as part of Qatar's bid and the voting process.

All I wish is that FIFA's voting for awarding WCs was totally transparent with each round of voting televised so we can see who is voting for whom. There's every reason to do it and no reason not to. Meanwhile, I need to take my unicorn out for some fairy water.



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 2):
The video answers that concerns by saying that countries in equatorial regions should not be at a disadvantage because of weather, and that Europe is not the centre of the world's football anymore.

It might not be politically correct in the new World order, but the fact is that Europe is the centre of World football in terms of the best players and where all the TV money is centred on. 19 out of the 20 ruchest teams are European, almost all the best paid players play in a small number of European leagues (UK, Germany, Spain, Italy & France) and its where the global audiences are. In sport money matters and if the sponsors will get what they want.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12357 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting alberchico (Thread starter):
Sepp Blatter Defiant On Qatar WC

That's better than having a defiant bladder in the WC
Quoting francoflier (Reply 2):
The video answers that concerns by saying that countries in equatorial regions should not be at a disadvantage because of weather, and that Europe is not the centre of the world's football anymore.

Ok then let's have the WC in Siberia next time! We wouldn't want to discriminate against those Northern native people who love football so much!

Quoting francoflier (Reply 2):
While that might be true, I don't see how it applies to Qatar. It's hardly a big football nation to start with, and, let's be frank here, the only reason they got to host the thing in the first place is the insane amounts of money they made rain on FIFA's heads...

  

It's such a transparent money grab...

Quoting scbriml (Reply 3):
I have spent a fair bit of time in Qatar and it isn't anywhere as 'relaxed' as Dubai or Oman. I can imagine a lot of issues with large groups of fans who've had more than a drink or two.

I thought Qatar was also having a touch of popular rebellion against the royals, no? Add to that this influx of infidels and the spam could really hit the fan!



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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
spam could really hit the fan

Can you get halal spam?


Anyway, looking over the bones of this, the original plan was to have air conditioned stadia, but then that was shelved

Qatar’s winning bid to stage the World Cup was partly based on the assurance that it would build high-tech air-conditioned stadia to keep temperatures at manageable levels.

But this plan has now been dismissed by the architect tasked with building one of the most important arenas.
John Barrow of Populous, the company which is designing the Sports City stadium in the capital Doha, says that air-conditioning on such a scale is ‘notoriously unsustainable.’

‘We are doing away with all the air conditioning kit that is going to cost a fortune to run,’ Mr Barrow has told delegates at the International Football Arena conference in Zurich.

‘I think you can be more clever.

‘It is about air movement, moisture in the air and it is about the temperature at the right time of day.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...onditioned-stadiums-dismissed.html


So....... once they win the bid, all the air-con is too expensive to run. Hmmmm.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2860 times:

A wonderful quote from Blatter:

"If we maintain, rigidly, the status quo, then a FIFA World Cup can never be played in countries that are south of the equator or indeed near the equator."

Umm, where was the last World Cup played? And where is the next World Cup going to be played? And has Sepp Blatter looked at a map recently? And does he realize that Qatar is not even south of the Tropic of Cancer, never mind the Equator?

Quoting oly720man (Reply 6):
So....... once they win the bid, all the air-con is too expensive to run. Hmmmm.

Did anyone really not see that one coming?  

-Mir



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6537 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Too expensive and Qatar don't mix.

I'd say it's technically very complicated, since the stadium is wide open. You can't blow ice cold air either or people will get sick.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 3):
All I wish is that FIFA's voting for awarding WCs was totally transparent with each round of voting televised so we can see who is voting for whom. There's every reason to do it and no reason not to. Meanwhile, I need to take my unicorn out for some fairy water.

The rumors and speculation of Qatar "buying" the 2022 World Cup started as soon as it was announced and will continue to do so even after the 2022 World Cup. FIFA should look at the IOC bidding scandal back in the late 90s that led to 10 members of the IOC being expelled, 10 more being sanctioned, and Salt Lake City's organizing committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics had a major housecleaning. It also gave the impression that the Olympics were being awarded to the bid that bribed the IOC the best (Something some people seem to thing was the case when Atlanta was awarded the 1996 Summer Olympics.). Qatar is not exactly a hotbed for international sports and them being awarded the 2022 World Cup would be like somewhere like Iceland or Madagascar being awarded them.


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2759 times:
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Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):
Considering that traditionally the World Cup has been held during the off-season of the majority of leagues in the world (MLS is one of the few leagues whose season is scheduled during that time.)

Majority is a dangerous world because it can imply more than it should. In this case, you might be right, but barely, as South American leagues and several African leagues play during the Northern summer months. I find Blatter's concerns for non-European countries laughable at best as I think he cares more about his ego and can't bring himself to admit he created a gigantic mess.

His comment about the cup being "awarded to a nation that really, really wants to host it, a nation that has the financial means to do it without neglecting other societal obligations" shows just how out-of-touch he is. Which of the upcoming World Cups fits these criteria exactly?



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2013, 1421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

The major footballing nations should boycott it and hold their own tournament.

The whole thing is an absolute farce and the weather is just a small part of it. No offense to anyone from Qatar but Qatar is a small plastic little sandpit with only a million odd people. It has laws and culture that are absolutely 100% not compliant with the behaviour exhibited at football tournaments by the fans. Finally, it has absolutely no footballing significance whatsoever currently being ranked 111th and having never qualified for a WC. I struggle to think of a country less suited to holding a world cup....In fact, you don't even need to investigate into bribery, you can conclude it from process of elimination.

Blatter should be impeached.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 11):
The major footballing nations should boycott it and hold their own tournament.

Or maybe send a "B" team of players pieced together from the reserve squads.... International players that play in Major League Soccer would likely not be affected by a January World Cup since MLS would be in their off-season at that time (unless those players are playing elsewhere on loan during the MLS off-season.)


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5204 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 3):
I was gob-smacked when Qatar was awarded the WC. The very concept of playing top-level, competitive football in 40-45C is simply insane. There are many other unanswered questions relating to the fans as well. I have spent a fair bit of time in Qatar and it isn't anywhere as 'relaxed' as Dubai or Oman. I can imagine a lot of issues with large groups of fans who've had more than a drink or two.

My thoughts entirely. Between the climate making on-field play challenging, and culture and law making off-field play challenging, not to mention that the whole of Qatar can fit in your back pocket, means that this was an illogical decision from the second it was entirely.

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
"If we maintain, rigidly, the status quo, then a FIFA World Cup can never be played in countries that are south of the equator or indeed near the equator."

But "maintain, rigidity, the status quo" wasn't the alternative to Qatar  

If the bids were Germany, Italy and Qatar, then sure, let's break the status quo and expand the reach of the game.

But, ignoring Japan and Korea who co-hosted in 2002, the other bids were USA and Australia. Both have a more accommodating climate than Qatar, can actually put on a good show and have a real "tour" around the country, and will be more welcoming to visitors.

More than anything else, Australia (and New Zealand) and USA (and Canada) are infant soccer markets, where the game has relatively little exposure and following. It would therefore be good for the game to have exposure to new markets so that potential new fans can get swept up in the World Cup "fever"

I think FIFA seriously dropped the ball on this one.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3739 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 13):
I think FIFA seriously dropped the ball on this one.

I think they're laughing all the way to the bank...



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 13):
But, ignoring Japan and Korea who co-hosted in 2002, the other bids were USA and Australia. Both have a more accommodating climate than Qatar, can actually put on a good show and have a real "tour" around the country, and will be more welcoming to visitors.

No, Australia's south of the equator, it could never host a major summer sporting event.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2591 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
No, Australia's south of the equator, it could never host a major summer sporting event

With all due respect, what is your point? South Africa hosted during the Northern Hemisphere summer and did a pretty good job in doing so. The next SWC will also be in the Southern Hemisphere (Brazil).

Although not peak Southern Hemisphere summer (September), Sydney hosted the 2000 Summer Olympic Games and did an excellent job in doing so - in fact the best in years.

Thanks and take care,

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User currently onlinePhilBy From France, joined Aug 2013, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 10):
Qatar is not exactly a hotbed for international sports and them being awarded the 2022 World Cup would be like somewhere like Iceland or Madagascar being awarded them.

Assuming that, no matter which country was hosting this, 90% (or 99% for the olympics) of the participants and spectators are non-native it makes sense thast the country most able to host this is the one with the best international transport links (unlike Iceland or Madagascar). Go A380!!!


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5204 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
it could never host a major summer sporting event

I assume that was a joke?

As said, the last one and next one are in the Southern Hemisphere, not to mention we have also hosted the Rugby World Cup and Olympics in our winter/spring.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3039 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 16):

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
No, Australia's south of the equator, it could never host a major summer sporting event

With all due respect, what is your point? South Africa hosted during the Northern Hemisphere summer and did a pretty good job in doing so. The next SWC will also be in the Southern Hemisphere (Brazil).

I believe Mir is saying that sarcastically, referencing:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):

A wonderful quote from Blatter:

"If we maintain, rigidly, the status quo, then a FIFA World Cup can never be played in countries that are south of the equator or indeed near the equator."

If major footballing bodies start threatening to boycott the WC, and sponsors start threatening FIFA, and they drop Qatar, how much time would they need to go through a new set of candidates and a new bid? Or would they just award the WC to a back-up nation, that has most the infrastructure already with no bidding?

I hope everything gets sorted fast. I do enjoy the WC, however, I do not want it conflicting with the great European leagues and Champions League.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5204 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 19):

Hopefully they would save the cost of re-bidding and just give it to the USA. They came second to Qatar in the original bid, and have the infrastructure to host it tomorrow



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
"If we maintain, rigidly, the status quo, then a FIFA World Cup can never be played in countries that are south of the equator or indeed near the equator."

What a moron.

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
Umm, where was the last World Cup played? And where is the next World Cup going to be played? And has Sepp Blatter looked at a map recently? And does he realize that Qatar is not even south of the Tropic of Cancer, never mind the Equator?

He's a jerk and playing on emotion. Even playing in an Equatorial country would be more hospitable than Qatar.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):
You can't blow ice cold air either or people will get sick.

That's not true.



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User currently onlineBeardown91737 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

I am surprised that Qatar claims they don't have the money or technology to air condition the stadiums. We have enclosed major facilities in far south locations like Houston, New Orleans, Dallas, San Antonio, and two in Phoenix.

The World Cup already had its first indoor game in 1994 in the Pontiac Silverdome near Detroit.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 22):

Not only would it need to be indoors, but they have to make grass work.



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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1240 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Didnt China bid? Its Asia's turn and where else than China should it be?

My secret dream is otherwise a combined Malaysia/Thailand bid. Imagine 200.000 supporters descend on Bangkok. There wouldn't be a single sane football supporter that would miss the enormous party that would be. And the Thais/Malaysians are football crazy. I can watch more games on tele there than in Europe.

I wanted Australia to get it. With Australia's demography having changed so much over the last 20 years it would have meant football overtaking the two other codes and being the most supported sport in Aussie. It would have been all us recent immigrants, Europeans and East Asians that would have seen to that.

In China Basketball competes with Football. Sending the worlds biggest sporting event to china would be massive and very good for the sport itself.

The US, nah it was held their in 1994 and most fans were very disappointed with the stadiums, the locations and the distances. They should not be allowed to host another WC until they sort proper football stadiums in good locations. And yes those locations need fan-friendly infrastructure around them. Not a huge parking place.
And yes I was there...



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25 Post contains images SA7700 : How could it be Asia's turn when the continental rotation policy was abolished in October 2007? That being said I would have supported Australia or t
26 srbmod : They could always build stadiums along the lines of University Of Phoenix Stadium in the US, Veltins-Arena in Germany (which hosted 5 matches during
27 TIA : What do you mean by good locations? They're not going to build brand new, WC specific stadiums in the middle of the city now to satisfy some ridiculo
28 francoflier : I think the challenges aren't exactly the same. Putting a lid on a stadium has been done, but doing so in a scorching desert while avoiding to turn i
29 srbmod : Phoenix, Arizona is in a desert region. The average high in Phoenix during the summer months is well over 100F, which is close to the average highs d
30 ha763 : I would also add in that University of Phoenix Stadium roof is Birdair fabric and Chase Field is a steel roof. Also, the Adventuredome theme park at
31 blueflyer : A comparison with Phoenix isn't appropriate, Houston would be closer. Qatar may be near a desert, but it is surrounded in three directions by the Per
32 blueflyer : If Dubai can have indoor skiing all year long, Doha can have air-conditioned indoor stadiums without any problem whatsoever, still has plenty of time
33 Marcus : I think the US and a few European countries already have the needed insfrastructure for a WC, they would have to work with the sports leagues already
34 BHMNONREV : Yeah, I guess they were disappointed so much that the '94 WC was the most attended in history. While I will admit that some of the facilities were no
35 francoflier : Exactly. Facilities are only a part of the equation. Even if stadiums aren't the best ever, fans only spend a relatively tiny amount of time in them,
36 scbriml : I've arrived at Doha in July at 1am and the temperature is still well over 30C.
37 CXfirst : It's not just the game itself. One of the great things about WC, is the fan zones before and after games, and throughout the tournament. 40+ degrees
38 Post contains images RomeoBravo : Can you imagine being hungover in 40 degree heat?
39 Bill142 : FFA dropped the ball by playing it above board. Doesn't help you have meglomanics like Andrew Demetriou who aren't willing to cooperate. They should
40 MD11Engineer : Don´t worry. You won´t get any drinks anyway. And better not be pished, I´m quite sure that the police of Qatar will take offense. After all Qatar
41 Post contains images MillwallSean : What i dont understand is how does Blatter plan to handle Israel qualifying? Israeli clubs have decent support, all from the ultra socialist of hapoel
42 RomeoBravo : I thought they were going to relax that laws for the tournament? It'll be the final nail in the coffin if they don't. Football fans like to drink in
43 Akiestar : I'm sorry, but I don't think that just because a country is "insignificant" in a particular discipline ought to mean that that country shouldn't host
44 RomeoBravo : Obviously i am not saying that. However, it should be a factor.
45 ltbewr : Qatar could turn out to be a disaster, and who knows what will happen between now and then. Some would say that the USA to host in 2022 would be bad.
46 srbmod : Many of the larger stadiums in the US that could host matches are not even in use during the time of the World Cup, as the NFL doesn't start playing
47 RyanairGuru : I expect the big winner from the games to be Dubai. Oh the irony... WORSE. FEELING. EVER. The hangover is compounded by chronic dehydration meaning t
48 N1120A : Oh sure. Chase Field in Phoenix has a permanent grass field, as does Miller Park in Milwaukee. Both of those are retractable roofs. I don't see why t
49 BHMNONREV : Yeah, I was there as I stated in my previous post. And while I found Orlando a bit lacking in the passion I thought the Brazil-Netherlands match in D
50 Post contains links Revelation : Another plot twist from the Beeb: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24160879 Some progress!
51 Post contains links oly720man : "Europe" has agreed on a non-summer World Cup. Start of 2022 or end of 2022 still to be debated and decided. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/241
52 scbriml : That this even has to be discussed shows just how far FIFA's collective heads are inserted in their collective arses. How a bid to host the WC in temp
53 Post contains links CPH-R : The interesting thing is, some of the scrutiny that took place was later leaked. It's summed up pretty good by reddit user Nikcub here: http://www.re
54 Post contains links oly720man : Another story about WC preparations. At the moment, migrant workers in Qatar are treated as slaves. Anything to say that things may miraculously impro
55 Post contains images Mir : Yes, lots of sarcasm coming off that post - it's pretty much the only reaction I can have to such idiotic comments as Blatter's. Houston has Reliant
56 ltbewr : Enslavement in some form has continued in the Gulf state far longer, well in to the present in some ways like with these construction workers, while
57 RyanairGuru : That is very true, and in retrospect I wonder why this didn't come out sooner. I sincerely doubt it, unfortunately. To be fair to Qatar, the same can
58 Mir : That was pretty obvious from Day 1, actually. There can be no other explanation for giving them the bid. -Mir
59 Post contains links oly720man : And Brazil for the next WC. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-24292174 Construction workers employed on a project in Brazil ahead of next
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