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Syria: What Is To Be Done? Part 2  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 3136 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2564 times:
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Hi Everyone,

The previous thread became quite long so Part 2 is being created to continue the conversation. The previous thread can be found here Syria: What Is To Be Done? (by kaitak Aug 28 2013 in Non Aviation)


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User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3104 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

I come back to the I don't care. This is Syria's mess and let them sort it out.

If we step in we are seen as colonizers and they hate us. If we do nothing we get blamed for doing nothing and they hate us.

I have come to the conclusion that the gov'ts of the middle east are exactly what the people deserve. We take out a despot and something worse always seems to takes its place. Does anyone really think that the rebel forces will be any less brutal than Assad's regime? It seems to be a perpetuating circle.

Where is the Arab league in all this. Some of the members have pretty substantial and modern air forces (Saudi Arabia with the F15's). They should be able to take out the same sites that some of the west seems to think need to be taken out. If they want it done let them do it. If they won't well then I guess more will die and it is their problem.

This is not a world problem it is a Syrian one. It is Syrians using chemical weapons on Syrians.


Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 7142 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Now the international political aspects of the "Red Line" incident seems to be, if not solved, then at least put to rest. What was the outcome so far?

I think that the most important thing is that Obama helped the Russians to get the best possible opportunity to get Assad's chemical weapons under control and destroyed. It is now mostly up to the Russians to get the job done.

And they have a very substantial interest in having it done. With their backing of Assad they are on the front line should the weapons fall in the hands of the rebels. It would be terrible to have them interfere with for intstance Winter Olympics, Moscow Metro or such.

The weapons may be well protected by Assad troops, but only until some of those troops change side in the conflict.

I do hope that Russia now realizes that they have a tough job to do. Putting conditions on their backing of Assad they also have the power to twist his arms on his back as needed.

Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 3802 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 2):
Putting conditions on their backing of Assad they also have the power to twist his arms on his back as needed.

And this has to be a far better outcome than invading Syria and killing 1000's of innocents, cause that's what would have happened had the US gone on in.

“At first, they'll only dislike what you say, but the more correct you start sounding the more they'll dislike you.”
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 9835 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2305 times:


Al-Qaeda-linked jihadists in Syria have begun an offensive against former allies, wrestling moderate FSA rebels out of the controlled areas. With the US assault on Syria postponed, radical Islamists are seeking ultimate authority to fight Assad.

Now, let me see if I get this straight...

- The US is now actively arming the rebels, who are becoming increasingly dominated by Al-Qaeda/Talibanesque Islamists.

- The rebels are fighting against Assad, who, while certainly not a kind and gentle soul, is not a radical. His Ba'athist philosophy is one of secular nationalism, with strong separation between religion and the state. While he has pestered Israel in minor ways, he has never threatened any other nation in any serious manner.

- The claims of Assad having used chemical weapons is matched by nearly as many reports that the attacks were a setup - done by rebels using captured weapon specifically in an effort to frame Assad. I find either chance equally plausible.

So leaving chemical weapons aside, why would we want to support the overthrow of Assad, who at least has no love for Islamists and has kept the peace in the middle east for many years? While I would not support overt support for him, he does seem like the lessor of two evils.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 9835 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

And yet more news:


BEIRUT — American hopes of winning more influence over Syria’s fractious rebel movement faded Wednesday after 11 of the biggest armed factions repudiated the Western-backed opposition coalition and announced the formation of a new alliance dedicated to creating an Islamic state.

The al-Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra, designated a terrorist organization by the United States, is the lead signatory of the new group, which will further complicate fledgling U.S. efforts to provide lethal aid to “moderate” rebels fighting to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

It seems everyone knew that the “rebels” were just an army of terrorists long ago, the evidence has long been there, but not our government. In fact we're arming the bastards.

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
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