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F1 2013: Singapore GP  
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2149 times:

7 races left on the calendar! Formula 1 goes back to Asia with 3 consecutive races in the region (Singapore, Korea, Japan).

- This is the 6th GP in Singapore. The first one was held in 2008 and saw Piquet Jr crashing voluntarily to help Alonso.
- 1,500 lights are needed to illuminate the track.
- There are 23 corners. The most of any other circuit on the calendar.
- In terms of average lap time, only Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium takes longer for an F1 car to lap than Marina Bay.
- Each of the 5 races saw at least once the safety car.
- Both Vettel and Alonso won twice. The other winner is Hamilton.
- Turn 10 has been modified from a chicane to a single corner ahead of this year’s race so we’ll see a new lap record. More info here (about time, if you ask me. What a pain in the arse it was on the video game ).

More facts and trivia here: http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2013/9/14984.html


Marina Bay Street Circuit

http://sponsoring.allianz.com/static/sites/default/media/formula1/Images_2013/circuit-graphics-e-2013/13_Singapore_E_72DPI.jpg
Please note that the above map does not take into account the new layout


Lap data

Lap length: 5.065 km
Race laps: 61
Race distance: 308.828 km
Pole position: Right-hand side of the track
Race Lap record: 1’45.999 (172.740 kph) by Kimi Raikkonen, 2008
Fastest lap: 1’44.381 (174.687 kph) by Sebastian Vettel, 2011
Maximum speed: 296 kph (183.926 mph)
DRS zone/s (race): Pit straight and straight to turn seven
Distance from grid to turn one: 200 m


Car performance

Full throttle: 48%
Longest flat-out section: 832 m
Downforce level: Maximum
Gear changes per lap: 80
Fuel use per lap: 2.3 kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel: 0.092s


Championship standings

1 - Sebastian Vettel 222
2 - Fernando Alonso 169
3 - Lewis Hamilton 141
4 - Kimi Räikkönen 134
5 - Mark Webber 130
6 - Nico Rosberg 104
7 - Felipe Massa 79
8 - Romain Grosjean 57
9 - Jenson Button 48
10 - Paul di Resta 36
11 - Adrian Sutil 25
12 - Sergio Perez 18
13 - Daniel Ricciardo 18
14 - Nico Hülkenberg 17
15 - Jean-Éric Vergne 13
16 - Pastor Maldonado 1
17 - Valtteri Bottas 0
18 - Esteban Gutiérrez 0
19 - Jules Bianchi 0
20 - Charles Pic 0
21 - Giedo van der Garde 0
22 - Max Chilton 0


1 - Red Bull / Renault 352
2 - Ferrari 248
2 - Mercedes 245
4 - Lotus / Renault 191
5 - McLaren / Mercedes 66
6 - Force India / Mercedes 61
7 - Toro Rosso / Ferrari 31
8 - Sauber / Ferrari 17
9 - Williams / Renault 1
10 - Marussia / Cosworth 0
11 - Caterham / Renault 0


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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2739 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Yay! F1 weekend!

And its the race in my favourite city, I saw all the barriers being set up when I was there last month.

Should be an interesting race to watch, Ferrari should perform good on this circuit but obviously RBR will come and blow everyone into the middle of next week.

My boss (keen Tifosi) says if Ferrari doesn´t do any good here, then they should just give up and start working on the 2014 Fiat Punto.

Let´s see how it goes, it is a very demanding race (high humidity)

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6533 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

In reality everyone has been working on the 2014 car for a long time anyway, and since Ferrari has pretty much unlimited money they don't need to stop working on the current car. The main difference would be that they would test parts during the Fridays for the 2014 car instead of the current one.


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

So, Kimi just confessed that he left Lotus because he wasn't paid anymore!

Quote:
The reasons why [I haven't been paid] you will have to ask from the team, but the reason why I left the team is purely from the money side - the thing is, I haven't got my salary. It's an unfortunate thing but I want to try to help the team as much as I can.
http://en.espnf1.com/lotusf1/motorsport/story/125557.html

If this is really true, I'm starting to be really worried for Lotus. When a team has to stop paying its drivers, it's not looking good (even if Kimi's salary was high).

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 1):
they should just give up and start working on the 2014 Fiat Punto.


As Aesma pointed out, they've all started working on the 2014 car few months ago already. And it's important especially this year because turbos will be back in 2014. So it will change a lot of parameters.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2014 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 3):
If this is really true, I'm starting to be really worried for Lotus.

That's the first I've heard of Lotus being in financial difficulty. I do hope that they stick around; they've definitely livened up the past few seasons.



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User currently onlineSIA747Megatop From Singapore, joined Apr 2012, 283 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

At the paddock right now! Fantastic atmosphere!


Would you like fries with that? I didn't think so.
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
That's the first I've heard of Lotus being in financial difficulty.

We heard Boullier saying they needed to save money, which can happen in the lifetime of a team. But not being able to pay a driver is a lot more worrying.

Apparently, they said Kimi will be paid at the end of the year.

Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 5):
At the paddock right now! Fantastic atmosphere!

Pics pics pics!!  



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

So, who saw the GP yesterday? Another Vettel win, fair and square. This guy is on another planet, like Schumacher 10 years ago. Let's be honest, with 60 points of margin and 150 left to take, he is rushing towards a 4th consecutive title. No one was able to compete with him on the last 3 races.

I'm happy to see Kimi back on the podium. A shame Grosjean had to retire. He could have aimed for a podium too.

I just read that Webber will receive a ten-place grid penalty because he came back on Alonso's car. Apparently, this harsh penalty is the consequence of a third reprimand this season.

Alonso also received a reprimand.

More info here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110075

[Edited 2013-09-23 08:00:02]


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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2739 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
So, who saw the GP yesterday?

I did... and yes ¨wooo¨ another Vettel win...   

Fair play to him, they certainly have the best car and found a way to be aerodinamically unbeatable, finishing with 30 seconds lead over 2nd place...  Wow!

Just like what happenned when Schuey was owning every season, I think its time again to change some rules and level the playing field once more, (we will see next year with the new engines) because just watching Vettel vanishing in the first 2 laps ain´t fun anymore. I am certainly debating wether or not to get up early to watch the Japanese and Korean GPs if this is the trend.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
I just read that Webber will receive a ten-place grid penalty because he came back on Alonso's car. Apparently, this harsh penalty is the consequence of a third reprimand this season.

Alonso also received a reprimand.

Silly isn´t it? where do we leave sportmanship...

MIAspotter

[Edited 2013-09-23 08:28:52]


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

F1 topics get less and less replies this year. Nothing is as boring in sport as when the same one wins all the time, year after year.
Wake me up when Seb leaves Red Bull or when they finally have a bad car for a change!

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
Just like what happenned when Schuey was owning every season, I think its time again to change some rules

Definitely.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
because just watching Vettel vanishing in the first 2 laps ain´t fun anymore

No, that's not fun. However, like during the Schumacher era, we can't blame the guy for being good and having the best car. Hopefully the new engines will level out teams next year.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
Silly isn´t it? where do we leave sportmanship...

That was my first thought. I thought "basically, they're punishing sportsmanship". But we also need to take into account that it is not safe for both drivers. From the onboard camera, it looked like Alonso did not have much visibility (and his left rear view mirror was obstructed). Also, Webber could have accidentally fallen from the car and break a bone or something.

I think it's ok if they just get a reprimand. The problem for Webber is that it was his third reprimand this season, and this led automatically to a ten-place grid penalty.



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2739 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting na (Reply 9):
F1 topics get less and less replies this year.

Yep I noticed that, a few seasons ago, we had to start 2nd parts on some races, now dustballs.

Quoting na (Reply 9):
Wake me up when Seb leaves Red Bull or when they finally have a bad car for a change!

They do have a bad car... Webber´s 
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 10):
That was my first thought. I thought "basically, they're punishing sportsmanship". But we also need to take into account that it is not safe for both drivers. From the onboard camera, it looked like Alonso did not have much visibility (and his left rear view mirror was obstructed). Also, Webber could have accidentally fallen from the car and break a bone or something.

That´s true and totally agree, but then again if they knew it wasn´t safe they would not do it.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 10):
I think it's ok if they just get a reprimand. The problem for Webber is that it was his third reprimand this season, and this led automatically to a ten-place grid penalty.

At this point in time, I think Webber is not that bothered about it  

MIAspotter



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User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
I just read that Webber will receive a ten-place grid penalty because he came back on Alonso's car. Apparently, this harsh penalty is the consequence of a third reprimand this season.

Alonso also received a reprimand.

There's a little more to the story as Webber apparently was ignoring marshals who were trying to get him to come off the track with them and of course there is the walking back onto the track itself. Alonso wasn't that brilliant in stopping where he did either .... just have a look at this video which i have to admit has hardly been covered at all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5UVc_sXz0M

Now imagine Hamilton would have gotten there a bit earlier, that could have been a nasty one for Mark Webber.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Quoting 9MMPQ (Reply 12):
There's a little more to the story

Ok, the images speaks for themselves. It was dangerous indeed!



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

The price of Webber's taxi ride:



Not your usual taxi fare 



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User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

I'm sure he can pass that one on to Christian Horner 


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6533 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

It may be dangerous but it didn't happen "during" the race so the grid penalty is not deserved, will RBR appeal ?

As for Lotus and money troubles, they've been having them since the beginning, indeed Renault became Lotus because they sold part of the team to GENII, then the rest one year later, when Lotus came to the table. As for Kimi's salary, it was the same deal last year and he got paid at the end of the year, apparently Lotus is saying it will be like that this year too. I don't really understand why, he's earning points right now, good publicity and all that, if money doesn't come from that today then how come it can come after the end of the season ?

But really Kimi is using it as an excuse, Ferrari must be offering him a far bigger salary and he knows they won't run out of money to develop the car, what really matters at some point for a champion.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1694 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
So, who saw the GP yesterday? Another Vettel win, fair and square. This guy is on another planet, like Schumacher 10 years ago. Let's be honest, with 60 points of margin and 150 left to take, he is rushing towards a 4th consecutive title. No one was able to compete with him on the last 3 races.

Yes, I watched it, and I enjoyed it. It may have been a one man race at the front, but F1 is about a lot more than just winning; it's also about the battles everywhere else on the track. On that basis, the race was good. Of course, the result was great, too, with Vettel proving his superiority once again.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 10):
we can't blame the guy for being good and having the best car.

  

Unfortunately, there are a select group of idiots that boo him for being successful. "Tall Poppy Syndrome" at its finest ...  
Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 11):
They do have a bad car... Webber´s

Ha ha. Webber has exactly the same car as Vettel. The fact that Webber hasn't been anywhere near Vettel since 2010 is because Vettel is a far superior driver.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
Unfortunately, there are a select group of idiots that boo him for being successful. "Tall Poppy Syndrome" at its finest ...  

In most cases it wont be that, its just disappointment over the boredom of always seeing the same one win. Reminds me of Schumacher exactly a decade ago. He was also booood now and then.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 16):
It may be dangerous but it didn't happen "during" the race so the grid penalty is not deserved

Article 30.9 on General Safety states clearly that no one should be on foot on the track before the last car enters parc fermé.

Quote:
During the period commencing fifteen minutes prior to and ending five minutes after every practice session and the period between the commencement of the formation lap which immediately precedes the race and the time when the last car enters the parc fermé, no one is allowed on the track, the pit entry or the pit exit with the exception of :
a) Marshals or other authorised personnel in the execution of their duty.
b) Drivers when driving or on foot, having first received permission to do so from a marshal.
c) Team personnel when either pushing a car or clearing equipment from the grid after all cars able to do so have left the grid on the formation lap.
d) Team personnel when assisting marshals to remove a car from the grid after the start of the race.
e) Team personnel working on a car on the grid during a race suspension in accordance with Article 41.4.

Webber has been sanctionned under rule 30.9.b. Apparently, he did not have the authorization from the Marshals.

[Edited 2013-09-24 13:37:35]


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6533 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

I'm not really concerned with such rules. After all Webber has been the representative for the drivers for some years, I trust he knows what he's doing in such circumstances (a little less while driving, though).


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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
Ha ha. Webber has exactly the same car as Vettel. The fact that Webber hasn't been anywhere near Vettel since 2010 is because Vettel is a far superior driver.

Vettlel takes full advantage of the car and doesn't make mistakes, fair play to him.

Surprised to hear the booing, even if you don't like SV and RB - they won fair and square.



Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
I trust he knows what he's doing in such circumstances

Alonso stopped at the exit of a blind corner and Mark ran across the track, not vary smart. Also, if Mark would have slipped off the car that would be nasty accident.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1532 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 18):
Reminds me of Schumacher exactly a decade ago. He was also booood now and then.

He was hardly ever 'booed'; Austria 2002 is the only occasion that springs to mind. And to think, Schumacher had done far worse deeds than Vettel: dubiously crashing into Hill to claim his first title, deliberately attempting to take Villeneuve off the track to win a title in 1997, running Frentzen off the track in Montreal 1998 etc ... yet Vettel gets worse treatment from the crowd. That is hardly fair.



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User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
After all Webber has been the representative for the drivers for some years, I trust he knows what he's doing in such circumstances

On the other hand, since he's been in the GPDA he should have probably known better. Since he's also one of the drivers who pushed forward the idea of the grid penalty after 3 reprimands his best move would be to now accept it and let it go.

Quoting na (Reply 18):
In most cases it wont be that, its just disappointment over the boredom of always seeing the same one win.

I've seen & enjoyed the Schumacher years, i'm quite happy to have someone else now be the dominating driver/team combination on the grid. It's part of the sport and like Ferrari had the Byrne/Brawn/Schumacher you'd have to admit the Newey/Vettel combination makes for a similar strong package.

But i get my enjoyment from a lot of other things in F1 too. I can enjoy the fact that Mercedes is now in a much more competitive form then it was last year. The Lotus & Räikkönen combination also comes to mind. There's a lot more to look at & enjoy, if you care to look for it.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6533 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1497 times:

I only started watching F1 in 2005 so I saw a losing MSC, from the commentators and discussion with other fans (except his own fans) I could gather a lot of resentment against him.

Vettel is not helped by the fact that he's German. Also, what he does with his index finger really annoys people. I can say I enjoy when his engine blows up or other troubles come his way (don't you get the impression that Rocky now fakes problems on his car so as to slow Vettel a little ?). It doesn't mean that I fault him for winning, and I would not be one to boo him if I could afford attending a race.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1509 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 22):
Austria 2002 is the only occasion that springs to mind

There was one GP in Indianapolis as well, but I can't remember the year. Anyway it was more targeted at Ferrari than Schumacher. Fans were booing because they felt cheated, not because Schumacher was outrageously dominating.

Vettel's case is different. He is not the actor of any team order. He just makes poles, escapes at a rate of 0.5 second a lap and wins. I could understand the booing in Italy, because he was in front of a Ferrari-devoted crowd and he is Alonso's rival. But I can't explain why he's been booed in Canada or Singapore, or why people cheered when he retired in Great-Britain.

Quoting 9MMPQ (Reply 23):
his best move would be to now accept it and let it go.

He said no marshal came to tell him "don't". That's why he doesn't accept the reprimand. What he seems to forget is that if he did not talk to any marshal, how could he assume he'd be granted access?

At least they make fun of it. Alonso posted this on his Tweeter account:




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User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 25):
There was one GP in Indianapolis as well, but I can't remember the year. Anyway it was more targeted at Ferrari than Schumacher. Fans were booing because they felt cheated, not because Schumacher was outrageously dominating.

I think that one was directed to F1 in general since Michelin stuffed up with the tires and only 6 Bridgestone equipped cars went on to race. That was truly a joke because it were 2 Ferrari's, 2 Jordan's & the 2 Minardi's that ran. Nobody needed a full race distance to figure out 2 Ferrari drivers & 1 Jordan driver would make it to the podium. It was the worst show that F1 could ever have put on in Indianapolis & the crowds were rightly upset.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 24):
I only started watching F1 in 2005 so I saw a losing MSC, from the commentators and discussion with other fans (except his own fans) I could gather a lot of resentment against him.

I suddenly feel very    ,   

Quoting Aesma (Reply 24):
Vettel is not helped by the fact that he's German. Also, what he does with his index finger really annoys people. I can say I enjoy when his engine blows up or other troubles come his way (don't you get the impression that Rocky now fakes problems on his car so as to slow Vettel a little ?). It doesn't mean that I fault him for winning, and I would not be one to boo him if I could afford attending a race.

I suppose it's a given that this kind of success is going to make you unpopular too. The whole thing about the index finger i find a bit ridiculous because i think it's only because we see so much of it since Vettel is so strong. We've seen plenty of other drivers with the same index finger gesture after qualifying or the race and if any of them had ended up in such a dominating position like Vettel it would likely turn into the same thing, call it a pet peeve for people to focus one. If he wins a race and he's feeling good & happy about it what else should he be doing, shrugging his shoulders and head for home   

I certainly won't be bothered either if Vettel has some problems, it can spice up the race for the win. But if he doesn't then i can accept that too. I've been a Ferrari fan since i saw my first race and they were in trouble then until eventually Schumacher & other key figures came along and after a few years managed to turn the team around. Since then it's been 1 championship with Kimi & the near miss with Massa in Brazil but i can accept the others doing a better job. I will admit i'm looking forward to next season though   



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

Quoting 9MMPQ (Reply 26):
I think that one was directed to F1 in general since Michelin stuffed up with the tires and only 6 Bridgestone equipped cars went on to race.

No, no, I'm not talking about the Michelin incident. The race I had in mind happened in 2002 (I went to look it up   ). But I thought it was Barichello letting Schumacher pass, while it was acutally the other way around. I remember the fans being pissed off about this. Some people even throw their Ferrari hats away.

Quoting 9MMPQ (Reply 26):
I suddenly feel very

Same for me. I remember jumping of joy when Prost won his first world title. I was little, but still.

Quoting 9MMPQ (Reply 26):
The whole thing about the index finger i find a bit ridiculous because i think it's only because we see so much of it since Vettel is so strong

Ah, you see, this is the only thing I hate about him: his stupid index. It's like football players celebrating a goal sucking their thumb, like toddlers. I don't know why, I just want to punch them each time I see this...



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User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 27):
The race I had in mind happened in 2002 (I went to look it up). But I thought it was Barichello letting Schumacher pass, while it was acutally the other way around.

You're right, i had something similar on my mind but i finally figured it had to have been the Austria GP incident   



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (10 months 6 days ago) and read 1384 times:

This is not related to the Singapore GP, but FIA has unveiled the 2014 calendar. 22 races are planned, of which 3 are provisional:

16 March: Grand Prix of Australia
30 March: Grand Prix of Malaysia
06 April: Grand Prix of Bahrain
20 April: Grand Prix of China
27 April: Grand Prix of Korea (provisional)
11 May: Grand Prix of Spain
25 May: Grand Prix of Monaco
01 June: Grand Prix of America, New Jersey (provisional*)
08 June: Grand Prix of Canada
22 June: Grand Prix of Austria
06 July: Grand Prix of Great Britain
20 July: Grand Prix of Germany (Hockenheim)
27 July: Grand Prix of Hungary
24 August: Grand Prix of Belgium
07 September: Grand Prix of Italy
21 September: Grand Prix of Singapore
05 October: Grand Prix of Russia (Sochi)
12 October: Grand Prix of Japan
26 October: Grand Prix of Abu Dhabi
09 November: Grand Prix of USA (Austin)
16 November: Grand Prix of Mexico (provisional*)
30 November: Grand Prix of Brazil

* Subject to circuit approval

More info here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110175



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 30, posted (10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1327 times:
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Quoting Aesma (Reply 24):
I only started watching F1 in 2005 so I saw a losing MSC, from the commentators and discussion with other fans (except his own fans) I could gather a lot of resentment against him.

There was, no doubt. But I felt that Schumacher deserved that resentment - not because he was successful, but because of the dubious deeds he had done earlier in his career. Schumacher had done far, far worse deeds than Vettel, yet the vitriol he may have copped during his career pales in comparison with the constant jeering that Vettel gets now. Some people apparently have short memories.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 24):
Also, what he does with his index finger really annoys people.

How so? Everybody has a different celebratory stance, Schumacher had his podium leap, Vettel has his index finger.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 24):
I can say I enjoy when his engine blows up or other troubles come his way

Fair enough. I can say that I was like that too whenever Schumacher had a problem (which was rarely), and I do enjoy moments when misfortune befalls Alonso. But jeering them when they win is something that I would not ever stoop to.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 25):
But I can't explain why he's been booed in Canada or Singapore, or why people cheered when he retired in Great-Britain.

The latter is fair enough, people (including me) did cheer when Schumacher crashed out in Silverstone 1999. But booing someone for winning is never on.



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Reply 31, posted (10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 30):
people (including me) did cheer when Schumacher crashed out in Silverstone 1999

Even I did not go that far.
No fan of Schumachers, I detested his character flaws(and outright cheating), I sat with held breath while he remained motionless in the Ferrari after an apparently innocuous crash!.



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Reply 32, posted (10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

Interesting that two Danes might be headed for a seat in 2014. Kevin Magnussen (son of Jan Magnussen who raced F1 a couple of times back in the 90's and currently races sports cars for Corvette) and Marco L. Sørensen. The former is being groomed by McLaren, who are currently looking for a seat for him (as their two seats are already taken), and who looks set to win this seasons Formula Renault 3.5 championship, and the latter who works with Lotus and has been booked to do a F1 test for them tomorrow (monday).

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