Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38588 posts, RR: 80 Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 28940 times:
Yesterday I met a guy at a gas station who had a 1971 Ford Galaxie 500 Convertible. It was in OK shape. I complemented the owner on his car.
He was very proud of his car because he had 468,327 miles on the engine!
He said he bought it when he completed college in 1971 and has been a very low maintenance car.
I can certainly believe it too!
My Lincoln (1977) has over 220,000 miles on it and is still running strong.
This is a testament to traditional full-size American made cars.
Solid, indestructible and lots of low-end torque (that’s whare power is most important).
The guy’s car at the gas station looked just like this one.
Hurricane From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1440 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 28856 times:
Think of all of the great cars over the years, all of the cars that manufacturers try to imitate today.
The birth of the muscle car. The T-Bird. The LTD/Crown Vic. The built Ford tough F-150. Even up to the production of the modern SUV. Hell, the birth of the affordable car in the first place! How often do you see a restored 'Stang with hundreds of thousands of miles? How often do you see an old Ford Pickup' that keeps going strong? Ford truly has made, makes, and forever will make the best cars ever.
Ilyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 28754 times:
With the exception of Rolls-Royce, I have a hard time accepting the idea that any gas-guzzling behemoth can be considered one of the best cars in the world. And I agree with B747ca...American car manufacturers once turned out high-quality vehicles, but that has definitely not been the case for the past two decades. Only more recently have GM, Ford and Chrysler been making cars that truly compete with vehicles from Europe and Japan, but quality still tends to be lacking.
It's interesting to see which car manufacturers have really started turning out amazing vehicles. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen...those particular marques used to be considered cheap tin boxes, but I dare anyone here to say the same about the latest Altima, Accord, Camry or Passat. I particularly remember the Volkswagens of the early '80s - utilitarian transportation, but not one bit of luxury. And that particular brand is the one most likely to be credited for providing cheap transportation to the masses.
It's unfortunate that many foreign manufacturers have surpassed American ones in terms of quality and reliability. I'm glad to see new products like the Cadillac CTS, Lincoln LS, Ford Escape, etc. entering the market. It gives me hope that the American auto industry is at least becoming more competitive. Now, if they could just match foreign car quality...
OH-LZA From Finland, joined Jun 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 28756 times:
Fords popular in Europe are much smaller than the Fords popular in North America, for example the Focus is very popular here in Finland but I didn't see a lot of them when I went to the States last month.
Many US Fords aren't even sold here, I can think of the following models not being sold in Finland, some of them might be sold in Central Europe though.
F-150, -250, -350, -450
Ranger (North American model, we do have a crap Thai-made model which is also called Ranger here)
KRIC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 28746 times:
standing-start, half-mile drag race
That is the key to this "race". From a standing start, a Viper (or any other reasonably quick street car) would already be far,far ahead by the time the F-16 (or any other jet) got up to about 60 MPH.
Another key (from the link provided): "For the latter, DaimlerChrysler's PVO team tapped more horsepower and clad their Viper in racing slicks"
The car was clearly a wringer juiced up by the Dodge folks for this publicity stunt. Since this thing was run on TBS "Ripley's Believe it or Not", it was intended for the masses, not for true, knowledgable car enthusiasts, who know better than to be impressed by this stunt.
The Dodge Viper took on a F-16 and won. How many fords can do that.........NONE
I'd wager that the SVT Cobra R or the upcoming GT-40 could do it. And I'm sure they could do it EASILY if they were 'hot rodded' up by Ford like the Viper was by Chrysler.
Don't get me wrong, the Viper is an awesome car. But it is ALL-MOTOR. The 2003 Viper will have an 8.3L V-10. That's insane!!! Even Yugo could make a fast car if they put a motor in it the size of my living room. The Viper will get more respect from me when Dodge (like Ford already has) ditches the gigantic, 1950's trechnology engine and offers it with a modern, overhead-cam, multivavle drivetrain. That way, they could get similar power out of smaller (i.e. lighter) engines, and the car will ultimately be even faster
KRIC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 28706 times:
Check mate, kids
BRAVO. I'm as patriotic as the next American, but even I know that the best cars in the world (by far) come from ....Deutschland.
Anyone arguing that they come from any US car company had better get a clue. Proof that they don't lies in the fact that the US is the largest market for nearly every German and Japanese manufacturer (despite that fact that they are more expensive than their US competition) yet US companies (with the exception of Ford) cannot GIVE AWAY their crap. Read european car magazines...American cars are a joke. I know this is partly because US cars are built for the North American market (cheap gas, long travelling distances, American preference for oversized cars), but also because, quality-wise (i.e. -- how well scewed-together is the thing), the Big Three cannot not touch VW, Mercedes, Honda or Toyota (they do build good trucks, though).
The sad thing is that that there is no excuse for this..I know we can do better. Any country that can design & build Pentium chips, the Space Shuttle, the 777 and the 747-400 should certainly be able to build a world-class automobile...and it can..but it won't until the American consumer stops accepting mediocre cars from the Big Three.
Sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5101 posts, RR: 28 Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 28679 times:
A little perspective, folks...
(1) My clients are all in the construction business, and they all drive trucks. The trucks they all buy for the really heavy work- the ones they'll keep for years, use and abuse, and know that they'll have to rely upon- are almost universally Fords- Power Stroke diesels for the heavy hauling.
The Japanese trucks still just don't hold up over the long haul, even the Toyotas, which are exquisitely built, but have a needlessly complex engine, one which is higher-tech, but no more effective.
(2) Compare apples to apples here- my Caddy deville cost about the same as a v6 Lexus, has more room and a 32-valve Northstar V8. I picked it up in September of last year and, after 12,000 miles (not kilometres, though I can change the vehicle's display to metric with a touch of a button), all I've done so far is have the oil changed twice. It was, as delivered, perfect.
The engineering in most contemporary American cars is unsurpassed by any, and in an appropriate comparison, they are soundly competetive.
Of course, I still miss my Audi and I expect I'll drive another one, one of these days. And, my wife loves her BMW cabrio (though she sure gets a lot of speeding tickets in it!).
In cars, there is something for everyone, and no need for anyone to be insulting anyone else about their choice of car.
Though I still have not a clue who the target market for the Pontiac Aztek is; blind people maybe? But if you're blind, you can't drive a car, right? Oh, except in Palm Beach, Florida.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
KFRG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 28671 times:
Don't get me wrong, Bimmers are great, but unfortunately too plain, expensive, and commonplace. Give me a ImpalaSS over an M5 or a Mustang GT or Cobra over an M3 anyday. My dreamcar, which will someday become reality, will be a 1993 Mustang Saleen S351! Pure and true American power there.
BTW, Merdeces build-quality has dropped overtime. Not the Benz's which some people used to know.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 28665 times:
BMWs expensive? Hrm, actually drive one and you'll appreciate it. Speed volume for example. Soooo perfectly simple, but SUCH a good innovation. Multiply this innovation hundreds of times throughout the car and you get your value.