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The Five Worst States For Women  
User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8844 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

http://t.money.msn.com/investing/the-5-worst-states-for-women


I find this interesting, about the five worst states for women. It seems they are all Red States politically. They are the worst states for Economic security, family health, and leadership roles for women. Despite women being almost 50 % of the work force, one would never know it by reading the figures about wages and conditions, affecting women in these states.


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User currently offlinemaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5564 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):
They are the worst states for Economic security, family health,

I definitely understand and disagree somewhat with the wage gap, but those other measures are a load of crap. As if women are the only ones to request welfare or health subsidies.

Because men never get sick or have kids that get sick.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8844 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Quoting maverick623 (Reply 1):
I definitely understand and disagree somewhat with the wage gap, but those other measures are a load of crap. As if women are the only ones to request welfare or health subsidies.

Because men never get sick or have kids that get sick.

Well it was about women. That was the measure, not men nor children.



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Quoting maverick623 (Reply 1):
I definitely understand and disagree somewhat with the wage gap, but those other measures are a load of crap. As if women are the only ones to request welfare or health subsidies.

So when determining risk for one group, one is not allowed to include risk factors that also include other groups?

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1573 times:
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Quoting Doona (Reply 3):
So when determining risk for one group, one is not allowed to include risk factors that also include other groups?

If you're talking about how that risk for other groups could influence the risk for the group under consideration then perhaps, but otherwise it's not massively relevant in a study specifically about issues pertaining to women.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8403 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Lower wage (let's say less educated) women make less money in a lifetime because daycare is not worth it for them.

So, the gender gap for "lifetime earnings" will be higher for poorer people. It doesn't mean sexism. If anything, poor women live far, far better than poor men.


User currently offlinemaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5564 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 2):
Well it was about women. That was the measure, not men nor children.

They (and you) are taking the fact that Red states tend to have less social welfare programs and twisting it to mean that those states are somehow targeting women for discrimination.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8844 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Quoting maverick623 (Reply 6):
They (and you) are taking the fact that Red states tend to have less social welfare programs and twisting it to mean that those states are somehow targeting women for discrimination.

Of course they are. Do you think that is not true about these states? If it is not, please show me the study to show that. It seems to me, that the figures are there to prove it.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

I cannot open the link, but I think I might have the same problem I have with many similar sounding findings. Is this talking about opportunity or actual percentages? A state that has a higher percent of women in leadership, for example, is that because they are afforded more opportunity or because many are placed there via affirmative action (which I disagree with.)* There are many social pressures that influence women's (and men's) behavior. Sometimes you can have the same opportunity but do less with it, career wise, because women are socialized to be child bearers (which there is nothing wrong with as long as they really want to do it.) I hear that many times females get paid less, not because of sexism, but because they are not as hard of bargainers (again, goes back to socialization.)

I'm all for opportunity... if a woman wants to be a millionaire businesswoman with a stay-at-home dad husband, more power to them, they should get the same opportunities as men. But if they (through socialization) want to be stay at home mothers for much of their lives and only make ancillary incomes, more power to them as well, but make sure that doesn't bring down a state's "woman friendly index" or whatever.

Now, whether gender socialization is right or wrong is another story, but that is not really what the thread is about. It's hard to say since the article is inaccessible (at least it is to me, sorry WarRI1, forgot to message you about that)



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8844 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
I'm all for opportunity... if a woman wants to be a millionaire businesswoman with a stay-at-home dad husband, more power to them, they should get the same opportunities as men. But if they (through socialization) want to be stay at home mothers for much of their lives and only make ancillary incomes, more power to them as well, but make sure that doesn't bring down a state's "woman friendly index" or whatever.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...836/the-state-of-women-in-america/

[Edited 2013-10-18 20:06:03]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 9):

Ah. Well, without going way in depth into it, I do see what I was talking about--some of the problems mentioned aren't sexist policies but socialization. Legislation in many of these cases is easy--equal pay for equal work. But what if negotiating goes into it? What if a male markets himself better (due to socialization and is very plausible for him to do so) and makes himself look more important and gets more pay? Should the company then raise all pay, for all males and females? I know I'm sounding very republican right now but they have a point. It's easy to say "equal work equal pay" but when you look into it, it gets more complex.

What about women in leadership? Is it from sexism? Or socialization? Society still has a traditional aspect to it and women are less timid, as a whole. NOT commenting on if this is wrong or right, that's just society today. Also, there are more stay at home moms rather than stay at home fathers. Sexism? Or socialization and biology?

Those are my biggest objections with studies like these. I say give women all the opportunities men have. If a woman wants to have a full career and not let kids bog them down, don't create a glass ceiling. But if a bunch more women want to be stay at home mothers, don't stick them in leadership positions when they get back into the work force over better capable men just to meet a quota.

Hope that makes sense.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8844 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
I say give women all the opportunities men have. If a woman wants to have a full career and not let kids bog them down, don't create a glass ceiling. But if a bunch more women want to be stay at home mothers, don't stick them in leadership positions when they get back into the work force over better capable men just to meet a quota.

I agree, I do not like quotas myself. I certainly have no problem with a stay at home Mother. My wife was one for many years, until the kids were teens. I pointed out the nagatives in those states, because I see as a Democrat, human an hypocrisy in the workings of some Red States. There appears to me, a pattern, which seems quite common down South in those states. The politicians there, bad mouth our government programs, yet they seem to use some of them more to their advantage than many others. Defense being one of them. They get their share of government spending for sure. I think the distribution of wealth, wages, health, woman's issues, social issues are more on the negative side in the states mentioned.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8844 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

http://hosted2.ap.org/RIPRJ/APUSnews...d-e01e8e5e9d8f427c8cb68768508ae2d1


I think we ought to make it the 6 worst states for women. A Texas judge stays the law, the conservatives appeal to the so called conservative 5th court in New Orleans. What a screwy system. USSC here we come as mentioned



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User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8788 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 972 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Thread starter):

http://t.money.msn.com/investing/the-5-worst-states-for-women


I find this interesting, about the five worst states for women. It seems they are all Red States politically.

And I find it interesting that you would find a "study" made by the Center For American Progress to be in any way trustworthy or objective.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8844 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 926 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
And I find it interesting that you would find a "study" made by the Center For American Progress to be in any way trustworthy or objective.

I do believe there maybe a modicum of truth to that article, look at the facts, or stats. I know the one about Texas is factual. Women do not have much choice there, if the law is upheld.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 854 times:

I'm not surprised. Mississippi, Louisiana are overall some of the poorest states in the nation. Utah, S. Dakota and Indiana and Texas for various reasons.

I checked out the best and also wasn't really surprised as California, Conneticut and Massachusets were in the top five. My state Maryland made it in the Top 5 best. That because of proximity to DC and a lot of government jobs. And Hawaii was the other good for women state. However, my state Maryland has a high "porker" rate. When you get away from the DC suburbs and tonier Baltimore suburbs, you are in Jerry Springer, I watch Daytime TV country. As a matter of fact many areas of my town Baltimore fit into the latter.    We have plenty of ambulance chasing lawyer commercials, Mc. Dental centers in crappy parts of town and those vocational schools.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8844 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 849 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 15):
I'm not surprised. Mississippi, Louisiana are overall some of the poorest states in the nation. Utah, S. Dakota and Indiana and Texas for various reasons.

Probably because they are red states, one seems to work with the other, red, women's rights denied, or attempts to do so.



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