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Question About The Lexus IS300 And Toyota Supra  
User currently offlinePlanelover From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 321 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6693 times:

Hey all,
I had a few question about the Lexus IS300 and Toyota Supra. I read somewhere that the IS300 had an inline 6 engine. Is this true? It doesn't seem to make any sense since, to my knowledge, all other Toyota (and Lexus)3.0 are V6 (I have one in my 4Runner). However, doesn't the Supra have an inline 6? Is that the same engine that is used in the IS300? I have heard many times of people getting in access of 700hp out of a Supra. Does that mean that, theoretically, an IS300 could also produce that much hp?

Anyhow, that's it.
Have fun.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
PL

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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6682 times:



Sorry couldnt resist. This post is now officially RICE


User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6671 times:

Why is this post rice? Do you know what the term "Rice" means when it's used to talk about a car?

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7773 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Straight sixes are very common in rear-drive Toyota products. The old Cressidas, Supras, the SC300, GS300, IS300 all have straight-sixes.

The newer I-6's used in the rear-driver Lexus and Supra are related... being as they are both 3litre 24 valve twincam engines. But beyond that I don't know what is common.



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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

I think you would need twin turbos on the IS and still would only get 400 max out of it without actually rebuilding the engine.

The IS is a great ride....totally ruined by the lack of shit rubber that they put on the cars. Luckily, it can be fixed for about $1000.


User currently offlinePlanelover From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Thanks people. I didn't know that the GS300 and SC300 have I6 engines. Does Lexus sell the SC300 in North America? All I have seen are SC400 and SC430 (the new one--ugly). By the way, I also heard that the 4.3 V8 also fits under the hood of the IS300. That would be cool.
Anyhow, anymore input would be great.
Thanks,  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
PL


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7773 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

The old, much better looking, SC coupes went out of production in 1998 I believe. The SC and the Supra were also platform mates.


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User currently offlinePlanelover From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Neato. I didn't know that the Supra and SC coupe shared the same platform. It does make sense though, now that you mention it. I agree, the old SC was much better looking than the new one. The new one looks like a pregnant SLK230 (or is it 320?--it's the smaller Mercedes with the retractable hardtop).  Big grin Did the old SC come with the 3.0? All the ones I've ever seen have had the 4.0 V8 in them.
Have fun.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
PL


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6604 times:

"Why is this post rice? Do you know what the term "Rice" means when it's used to talk about a car?"

Do you really think i just blurt out stuff without knowing what it is?


User currently offlineKRIC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6602 times:
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However, doesn't the Supra have an inline 6? Is that the same engine that is used in the IS300? I have heard many times of people getting in access of 700hp out of a Supra. Does that mean that, theoretically, an IS300 could also produce that much hp?

The non-Turbo Supra and IS300 have the same Toyota engine code 2JZ-GE (it is 2JZ-GTE for the twin turbo). One would assume that the engines are mostly the same, at least in regard to exterior architecture...which would mean an engine swap should work in principle. However, serious obstacles may lie in adapting the engine management electronics, shoehorning turbo plumbing into the tight IS300 engine bay, and transmission compatibility. But I'm certain it could be done.
By the way, I also heard that the 4.3 V8 also fits under the hood of the IS300. That would be cool.
A tuner in Germany has done it! There was a short blurb and photo in Sport Compact Car about it a month or two ago. They provided a web address for the tuner that did it, but they didn't have specifics about the project.
Bonsai !



User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6595 times:

KRIC is right. They dubbed the car "IS430".

User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6590 times:

Hmm... Planelover - I guessed the Inline 6 for the IS300 originated from the IS200, which was surprisingly an Inline 6, not many cars have a 2L inline 6 engine.

The Supra and IS300 are different breeds altogether. Though both are made by Toyota, the Supra is bred as a performance supercar, the NSX of Toyota, while the Lexus IS300 (Intermediate Sedan) isnt really a sports car, just a sporty one. I wont see both having the same engine, cos I feel that the Supra would be a tad more coarse and less refined as the Lexus people want it.




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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6588 times:

OT:
Did anyone see the new Z car in this months Car & Driver? Pretty sweet looking, I for one like the "rice rockets". It takes a lot of time and money, to get those cars looking good.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7773 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

Tsentsan- The Toyota straight sixes are really all the same. I would guess that the 2.0 liter is probably a de-bored and de-stroked version of the 3.0liter. Since the IS, GS, SC and naturally aspirated Supra all carry the same Toyota engine code... I'd wager it is the same engine.

Flyguy1- saw the new Z in Autoweek overhere. It is pretty impressive, though perhaps a tad overweight. I am just waiting to see if a turbocharged or supercharged version will come out (because we all know it will, right???). I am pretty amazed how far that platform is going. If the Z is at least as good as its platformmate the G35 then it will be awesome. Rumor has it that the next generation Skyline GTR will also share that platform... and be imported to the US. Possibly with a hot-rodded version of the Infinti V8.



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User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

There will be no next generation Skyline GTR.....Z Car will be Nissan's topmost car, which means the Skyline has to make way.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

The new Z will be the unabashed success story for the next three to five years. Providing they can keep the cost down, it will eat at the upper market of Celica and Eclipse buyers. This will be particularly true now with the Camaro/Firebird out of the way. I think Z-3/4 and Boxster sales will be affected as well if this car is as promised.

There will be a next generation Skyline GT-R. It was reported in Car and Driver. The last of the existing Skyline GT-R will include a Special Edition--yet to be produced--that reportedly sold out in Japan in less than a day.

I'm not familiar with the Skyline at all--just what I read. I can probably find the item if you wish.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7773 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

Greg brings up a great point. The entire reason why Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi pulled their high-end perfermance cars was that they simply got too expensive. The Supra, 300ZX, 3000GT and to a lesser extent the old MR2 got loaded up with equipment , technology (remember the 3000GT's active aero package???) and got pushed to the $40,000+ price point, and that was 5-7 years ago.

Nissan by having the 350Z start at $26,000 and top out at $36,000 is a smart strategy. The $26,000 car gets you everything you need in a daily driver and a go-fast car. And really costs no more than an Eclipse GTS or a Celica GTS or an RSX type-R. Furthermore it seems like the Z will remain a 2-seater only. Leaving the 2+2 for the G35 coupe, where the Infiniti brand by itself can support the higher price point. As much as I hate to admit it, I don't think we'll see a turbo (so I retract my above post). The high-tech, high-performace model will be the Skyline... with something like a twin-turbo Infiniti V8, All-wheel drive and god knows what else.

Too bad Toyota isn't doing anything to resurrect the Supra. (to get back on topic)



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User currently offlinePlanelover From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Too bad Toyota isn't doing anything to resurrect the Supra.

Actually, I just read in Car and Driver (or one of those magazines) that the Supra is indeed coming back. Toyota is bringing it back to give the 350Z some competition. It's suppose to be in the 30k range and I believe it's going to be here in a year or two.

A little off topic, but I do love the G35 coupe. It looks much better than the 350Z.

Have fun  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
PL


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6535 times:

Looks like I have to throw in my €0.02 of comments!  Smile

The thing about the Lexus IS300 is the fact the car is very fast and handles quite well but the suspension is quite stiff and you will feel road irregularities quite easily. Installing the latest in low-profile tires in the 215/45R-17 size (Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position, Pirelli P Zero Assimetrico, Dunlop SP Sport 9000, Michelin Pilot Sport, Yokohama AVS Sport, Continental ContiSport Contact) may provide better handling but probably not a better ride.  Sad

I do think the Infiniti G35 will be good selling car--it offers a quite roomy interior, excellent performance and very good ride for a quite reasonable price.

As for the US-market version of the Skyline based off the G35 coupe--I've heard they're deciding between a turbocharged version of the current G35 V-6 or the 4.5-liter V-8 from the Q45 saloon. My guess is that the US version of the car will have the 4.5-liter V-8 but the engine will be tuned to nearly 400 bhp. I don't if Americans are ready to drive an Infiniti capable of keeping up with a Porsche 911. Big grin


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