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I'm Sick Of This Anti-American Crap!  
User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

I really am:

You don't see us posting how "evil" the Germans are or how "smelly" and "rude" the French are or what "whimps" the British are!!! So why must some of you take every opportunity to bash the US. I am an American from a European family. I respect Europe for it's accheivments but love my countree for the freedom I enjoy by being a citizen of it. At each turn you post thinks making America out to be a monster. But America is a monster that is on your side! If you continue to try to disenfranchise us then you will get your way... and when that happens you will all be crawling into caves hiding in fear... and so will I. You claim to love Europe, well the US is Europes ally. We don't agree with all the things you do and there are cultural differences but can you LLAY off your arrogan anti US feelings o us?


Pardon any spelling errors and typos.



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User currently offlineAviatsiya.ru From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

The problem is matie is that some Americans on this board do spout the shit you say that doesn't get spouted.

and when that happens you will all be crawling into caves hiding in fear

It is sometimes this type of attitude which actually enrages people to spout what you say is "anti-US" sentiment. Think about it for a second.

Also it seems that some people take constructive criticism to heart. That is their problem to deal with, right?


User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 913 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4744 times:

Well mate you better get used to it, this isn't a perfect world, we can criticise who we want. And good for you Americans who don't criticise other countries...would you like a medal?

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24912 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

Hehehe.....this post is sure to get loads of replies.  Laugh out loud
Maybe some of the blame should be to do with the fact that nota lot of People like Dubya Bush, we dont agree with a lot of things the US does, eg plan attacks on Iraq.
But, I'll let someone else figure it out, but it seems like th Yanks arethe most sensitive people in the world  Laugh out loud



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Flyboy36y,

I understand why anyone would be totaly sick and tired of foreigners harshly judging their country. And it seems that the US is a target for this. It really all comes down to what is called "Tall Poppy Syndrome". In other words, if they grow tall, then we've gotta cut em down. The United States is a very sucessful nation, and other countries feel intimidated by that and become twisted, despite the good intentions of the US. Americans are very nice people and I have always had a great time whenever I'm there. But perhaps if the United States in general (i.e: the broader American Gov/Civillian Communities) tried a little harder to understand situations from the standpoint of other nations, and put that into practice in dealing with foreigners/foreign nations they could improve their international reputationa little. If the United States did this, then any future anti US sentiment would be (I believe) unfounded (Unless of course there was any further future action which resulted in a degredation of the situation of foreign countries/foreign causes/people).


QANTASforever


User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

I always welcome constructive critisism. Nothing's perfect, and so is America. While the American citizens enjoy on its land, there are American acts around the world that annoy others. Basically no one is against the American living, its the goverment and its policies that effects the world makes the difference.

User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

Oh and no disrespect, but that "Wanted: Dead or alive" all guns blazing saddle riding comment made by your President really did fuel the fire. When you have your President making simplistic comments like that, you have to expect a little criticism.

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4723 times:
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Wrong forum dude........



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4709 times:

What do you mean by wrong forum?? I mean I was to the point and Qantas too raised another.

User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4705 times:


I'd like to say first of that I have a lot of respect for the various nations of the world. However, it doesn't really bother me when they criticize the US because they are basically political non-entities, with the exception of the U.K. So, let them continue to whine, and we will continue to ignore the whining.

'Speed


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4680 times:
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You have to be able to differentiate between anti-US sentiment and criticism, they are 2 different things. I won't deny there is anti-US vioces on a.net, but on the other hand, there is also constructive criticism of the US. If you can differentiate yourself betwen these two, then you will apreciate that people are concerned about various topics, and it's not just anti-XXX or whatever. Some folks don't with the American president's policy and if they criticise this will valid arguments and points, then this is not anti-US sentiment, it's constructive criticism. However, if i disliked everything about america and americans, called names, attack people and generally hate everything and anything to do with that country, then that would be anti-US resentment.

Since september 11th, the US has been in the spotlight, there have been a lot of decisions taken by a lot of different people, so everyone is not going to agree and appreciate everything a particular country does (USA). You could safely say there is definitely anti-US feelings in the middle east, that's quite obvious, but to claim everyone from a specific region (Europe) are anti-US, is completely off the point. There is definitely people who don't like the USA, but they are a minority, but the other section of people criticise US policy and it's government, not the country and the people, 2 different things there again.

But to be honest, this anti-US stuff is limited to airliners.net. Feelings run high on this website, it's only natural, so take it as a pinch of salt.

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineSuper Em From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

This post makes no sense. Since when was constructive criticism considered Anti-American? Are we not allowed to criticize a government if we do not agree with its policies? If anything not criticizing a government is Anti-American. America is straying away from its old values day by day.

User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Thats what I am trying to say Super Em

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

Sorry but there is quite a bit that is posting that falls way way way beyond constructive critisim.




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User currently offlinePaulc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

I am sure there are many Americans who are guilty of making anti american comments - does that make them any less American? One of the foundations of democracy is free speech and people are allowed to be critical of either an
individual (ie GWB) policy or action a nation takes. If America does not want the critisism then perhaps it needs to re-examine why people are critical. The UK is probably the closest ally the USA has got (rightly so) but some of the things 'America' says and does are of concern.

America needs to look at things in a global sense rather than just the American point of view - there are countries that have been around a lot longer who are far better thought of in global terms. America also needs to look at how others see America and the reasons why. There are plenty of things I do not like about America but there are more I do not like about the UK.



English First, British Second, european Never!
User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

Well, look. I could fret about what other people think of our country, but why?

Many countries have commited and continue to commit atocities.

The Past

-The Belgians hacked off the arms of Africans for not giving up their rubber crops (and for King Leopold's amusement).

-The Nationalists in South Africa were obviously supporters of Apartheid (their descendents of those kooky Dutchmen are still around, by the way).

A little more recently

-The Chinese are perhaps the world's biggest polluter (yes, bigger than the USA.) and they continue to commit violations of international law and human rights by:

1)Dragging North Korean asylum seekers out of Japanese and South Korean consulates in China (the PRC and North Korea have an "agreement").

2)Looking the other way at corporate practices that allow companies to pay only several cents a day to manufacture the products (under insane quotas) that will keep them competitive in the world of global markets (world trade is a beautiful thing, eh?). They have to live in tenement compounds in smoggy factory towns and they are strictly prohibited from having a girlfriend under the penalty of termination.

-Does the word "Iran" mean anything to you?

-Jean Marie LePen made it past the primaries.

That's just a SMALL sampling of the stuff that has gone on and continues to go on around the world. Why so few people are paying attention to this other stuff is beyond me. ?:-(



Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

Well mate you better get used to it, this isn't a perfect world, we can criticise who we want.

Then why am I not free to critisize you, Goodbye? Or why is it that when we do critisize a certian point of view, Americans on here are called "racist", or "fascist", or "narrow-minded", or something like that. Yet when those who hold what we see as a warped view of the world, critisize us, you're "open-minded"? Double standard, I think.

But perhaps if the United States in general (i.e: the broader American Gov/Civillian Communities) tried a little harder to understand situations from the standpoint of other nations..

Why is it that America must try harder to understand other nations-isn't the reverse true of other nations vis-a-vis the U.S.? Or don't our concerns matter?

Since when was constructive criticism considered Anti-American?

Since when is anti-Americanism considered constructive criticism? The thread above by EmiratesLover has nothing to do with "constructive criticism"-it was meant to be anti-American, pro-terrorists. Why is it, then, that we cannot "constructively critisize" it, without being flamed by the likes of you?




User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Of course aviatsiya.ru is quick to jump on this topic, considering he is always taking pot shots on America.

But perhaps if the United States in general (i.e: the broader American Gov/Civillian Communities) tried a little harder to understand situations from the standpoint of other nations, and put that into practice in dealing with foreigners/foreign nations they could improve their international reputationa little.

Wow, so you know how all Americans think. Also, you mean to tell me that the policy makers in the government, when dealing with things do not think about the long tern effects or how they will affect other nations? Give me a break. Personally, I would not have a problem if the U.S. minded its own business, and let the rest of the world rot, but the minute we do that, those that bitch about the U.S. being in everyone's business, will cry we are not doing "our part" to help the rest of the world.

I always welcome constructive critisism. Nothing's perfect, and so is America. While the American citizens enjoy on its land, there are American acts around the world that annoy others. Basically no one is against the American living, its the goverment and its policies that effects the world makes the difference.

I welcome the criticism as well. It should be expected, but when it is not from a credible source, then it is useless, and nothing more than criticism born out of jealousy.. As for the American ploicies...see above.

Oh and no disrespect, but that "Wanted: Dead or alive" all guns blazing saddle riding comment made by your President really did fuel the fire. When you have your President making simplistic comments like that, you have to expect a little criticism.

Not for nothing, but the Wild West was a big part of the shaping of America. Simplistic statement you say? Obvioiusly you are commenting on what you do not understand. Bush made a very dramatic, straight forward statement in regards to one of the worst American tragedys ever. Simplistic...no. Direct and conveyed the message in a strong manor...yes.

For those that think "constructive" criticism being labeled as Anti-American Attitudes are missing the point. When the criticism is truely constructive, and coming from someone in a position to make such comments, then it is indeed constructive. When it is some 16 year old living in France, or the ME, or Britian, then it strays from constructive to down right hate and or jealousy. You see, I don't hate the French because I heard they were smelly and rude. I don't hate the Brits because I heard they were wimps. I don't hate the Germans because I heard all they care about it killing Jews. I don't hate the all Palestinians because Palestinian Terrorists are blowing up Israeli's every time we turn around. I do not know, have not had experience with these people, or their governments. I cannot comment on them, and be actually speaking from knowledge. If I did, it would be from ignorance. I lived in South Korea for a year plus. I can accuratly comment on the fact that the country is very polluted, dirty ect. I can't say the same about China...because I have never been there. Criticise America, our government, anything. But chances are, you are speaking not from experience or direct knowledge, but on "what you heard". Overall, I brush off pretty much most of the Anti-American attittudes, because when I wake up everyday, I am thankful for my life, and where I live.


User currently offlineSwake From Belgium, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

-The Belgians hacked off the arms of Africans for not giving up their rubber crops (and for King Leopold's amusement).

What else could we do? Shoot 'em???


User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

Well, it would certainly be cleaner, wouldn't it?!?


Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
User currently offlineSwake From Belgium, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

before anyone takes offence : relate it to the timeframe

User currently offlineSwake From Belgium, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

doing things 'clean' has never been a nr.1 priority overhere. Still isn't Big grin

User currently offlineKFRG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

"Well mate you better get used to it, this isn't a perfect world, we can criticise who we want. And good for you Americans who don't criticise other countries...would you like a medal?"

I got an idea mates! Let's all bash St Pierre and Miquelon! Seems like an area where a high percentage of dirtbag's reside.

-Tommy


User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

It is very very obvious that Americans are extremely patriotic. That's where the problem starts, you shove it into everyone else's faces. For example, in almost every movie, especially lately, there is a always a 10 minute scene which is exclusively flag waving, anthem singing, America this-good, America that-better. Quite frankly, it gets annoying. The rest of the world understands you love your country, fine, you don't have to flaunt it in everyone else's faces. Imagine a very rich person going to a middle class person and saying look at my car, look at my house, look at my this, look at my that, over and over again. It would get annoying wouldn't it? Movies is just one example I used, this attitude appears to be prevalent in everything else...

User currently offlineKFRG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

JAT,
That is a very good point! Why should we stop being patriotic because of the rest of the world? We are not directing it towards your country, or other, but for our countrry! If you don't like our movies then don't go to the theater to see them! It's that simple! I am not directing this towards you JAT, but to the people who you describe. Unfortunately the rest of the world has built up a bad repuatation with the citizens of this country, and most will say "Why should we let Europe tell us waht to do, or waht businesses can sell this, or merge with this company?" And to a very large extent I agree wtih them!

-Tommy


25 NormalSpeed : "The rest of the world understands you love your country, fine, you don't have to flaunt it in everyone else's faces. Imagine a very rich person going
26 Rai : JAT: Considering that everytime STATCAN issues a statistic, it is always coupled with a statement or two of how much better Canada is doing than the U
27 KROC : JAT. Let's break your post down...shall we? It is very very obvious that Americans are extremely patriotic. That's where the problem starts, you shove
28 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Several words come to mind when I hear people spout off with their hatred. Jealousy, hate, hate for themselves, and insecure. You just have to live wi
29 JAT : Listen, personally I don't care. I am perfeactly aware that America is the strongest nation in the world, without competition I might add, and therefo
30 Flyboy36y : Americans are stupid. Americans deserved 9/11. Americans are Evil. I don't care if a bunch of scum-bag 15 year olds who don't know what it is like to
31 ChrisKSDF : The huge amount of anti-American sentiment on these forums, and the fact that it is allowed to continue unmolested while those of us who attempt to re
32 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : "That's where the problem starts, you shove it into everyone else's faces. For example, in almost every movie, especially lately, there is a always a
33 Flyboy36y : It seems as if some Europeans think America is their retarded big -brother.
34 KROC : The huge amount of anti-American sentiment on these forums, and the fact that it is allowed to continue unmolested while those of us who attempt to re
35 Boeing4ever : The attitudes are quite hypcritical Flyboy, I agree. Case in point, the way the EU treats Poland. Many Poles are gumbling that France and Germany act
36 Post contains images QatarAirways : I understand that there is a lot of criticism of the USA in this board and It is perfectly natural. Airliners.net has members from all around the worl
37 Post contains images Aviatsiya.ru : Yeah right KROC. Why do you feel it necessary to say that I am on here, yet you don't comment on the very valid point I raised???????????? Maybe it is
38 NormalSpeed : "Anyway, all you Yanks and Euros suck. We all know who is the best in this world, right?" How about you Aussies just focus on running your own country
39 Post contains images Staffan : But one thing we all have in common, we like aviation (at least I hope so).
40 JAT : How about you Aussies just focus on running your own country, instead of supposing you know how to run everyone else's. Mind your own business for a c
41 Alpha 1 : If you look at the messages in this board you'll find: Anti-American, Anti-Israel, Anti-Europe, Anti-Democrat, Anti-Republican, Anti-XXX. True enough,
42 Post contains images KROC : Aviatsiya.ru. I called you out, because you are always slinging Anti-something crap. I want you to show me where I took "pot-shots" at Europe. Anythin
43 Staffan : "Why? Because, for some reason, our opinions, when defending our nation are, in your eyes, not legitimate? Maybe those spewing all the anti-American s
44 KROC : KROC is a liberal Republican for the record. And Staffan, where did Alpha 1 say that? I re-read his post a few times and didn't see it.
45 Staffan : KROC, not in this thread, but in a bunch of other threads.
46 EGGD : Well, I think you should look at WHY there is an anti-american sentiment on this forum. I don't think there are many US haters on the forums, but some
47 KROC : Staffan. But ALpha 1 backs up his views with well thought out takes and or the facts he bases his opinions off of. A rarity on the forums.
48 KROC : EGGD. So you are saying we should base our opinions off of just a few people? I think Goodbye and Avia... are useless, but I do not think all Australi
49 Staffan : KROC, so where has he got these views from? As far as I know, he has never been here. Media perhaps? So just because Emirates_lover backed his post up
50 KROC : What I am saying, is that Alpha 1's views, the ones he expresses are at least backed up with credible sources. Do we all "get it". Nope. But Alpha 1 d
51 Post contains images Aviatsiya.ru : No KROC, you think so low of me, because I hold many views which conflict with you own, which then renders me useless. KROC-O-S***. Yeah, great. I bet
52 Staffan : And what are these 'credible sources'? Most of his statements are quite wrong actually..
53 SSTjumbo : Well, some people say America is the most flawed country there is. Then I just ask, "Why is it the most successful country in the world then?"
54 STT757 : This is all penis envy, were big they're small. It's also like the Brady bunch Movie, Marsha (the US) is oblivious to Jan (European Union) and Jan is
55 Post contains images GKirk : The Yanks should shut down loads of Fast Food joints to help get rid of the fat criticsm
56 Staffan : "This is all penis envy, were big they're small." Can the same be said about all the bashing of Airbus on here (yes there is quite a bit of it), or is
57 Travelin man : I think there are 2 things going on here. In some instances there are people here that genuinely dislike, if not hate, the USA. The redundant highligh
58 Alpha 1 : Well, I think you should look at WHY there is an anti-american sentiment on this forum. I don't think there are many US haters on the forums, but some
59 Staffan : "Also for some of the members who have been very vocal in saying that their is a lot of Anti-American "Crap" on this board should take a breather and
60 Post contains images GKirk : Hehehe....Europe Vs USA war
61 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : Europe v USA war's are good entertainment u know. Better than crap we get on the BBC on weekdays! Arsenal@LHR
62 Post contains images Staffan : Arsenal, what's wrong with Eastenders?
63 Klaus : Travelin man: I think some Americans get too defensive about our country's position on issues and are too quick to label any criticism as anti-America
64 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : Yuk!! I hate soaps Staffan lol
65 Travelin man : Why give a trouble-maker the satisfaction when a shrug or a well-founded argument could have been enough shut him up? Some insults are impossible to i
66 Alpha 1 : You were pointing out that you only were defending your country, yet on other threads you bash Europe in the exact same way you are complaining about.
67 B747forlife : I agree with STT757, that's all it is, if you feel the need to critize America, then most of the time its because you are jealous. America is the most
68 Staffan : No, I was telling KROC that you didn't seem to have very well thought out views. So giving your views isn't bashing, then there might not be so much a
69 Staffan : "I agree with STT757, that's all it is, if you feel the need to critize America, then most of the time its because you are jealous" Same when people c
70 Post contains images B747forlife : Staffan: I know, just I am American, so I guess I should've just put bash country-x again. BTW, I don't hate Europe, the two places I've been there, L
71 Alpha 1 : No, I was telling KROC that you didn't seem to have very well thought out views. That's because you don't agree with me! Did that ever cross your mind
72 Alpha 1 : Same when people critisize Europe. Yeah, right. In my view, Americans have very little to be jealous about when it comes to Europe. Not that Europe is
73 Staffan : I do think. And I do see the insults creeping out when you realize you might be wrong.
74 NormalSpeed : Guys, guys. Let's just cool it down here. There really isn't any reason for us to hate each other. We need to stay objective. Just because some Americ
75 Staffan : "Yeah, right. In my view, Americans have very little to be jealous about when it comes to Europe. Not that Europe is a bad place or has bad people, bu
76 KROC : Maybe this is what pisses people off? And why do you think it is the other way round? Why should a European be so jealous of America? We are people wh
77 Post contains images Staffan : "I seriously think you are arguing just becuase you want to now." Hahaha, you're the man to say that... (reffering to double standard post number 862)
78 Post contains images Bruno : Hey I am sick of the ANTI-ANTI Crap!
79 Alpha 1 : Maybe this is what pisses people off? If that's what they're pissed off about, Staffan, it's called JEALOUSY! And, if that's the case, too damned bad
80 Flyboy36y : Aviatsiya.ru, You constantly amaze me with how ingorant you can be. I really prefer not to take any argument you make too seriously as you are so "spe
81 STT757 : It's real easy for some folks to pass judgement on Countries and people they don't know, I invite any of the US bashers here to come to NY. I'll show
82 Boeing4ever : And good for you Americans who don't criticise other countries...would you like a medal? So what are you saying Goodbye? You can trash Americans but w
83 QANTASforever : I think that sometimes, people see american patriotism as a way of belittling every other country and sticking up for your underdog (ha!) USA. Now don
84 Boeing4ever : It's possible to be patriotic and still contructively criticize one's own nation. Two years ago all I could do was grumble at what an idiot this count
85 STT757 : Don't confuse American Patriotism and European , Asian, or even Australian Nationalism. In Europe, and And most other Countries of the World they're p
86 NormalSpeed : "Why are you patriotic? You will probably say it is to support your country, to improve national morale etc. But is patriotism such a good thing? Is i
87 Flyboy36y : Why are you patriotic? I love america because I live well and I live free. I critisize a lot of what the us does. For example, I think that Bush shoul
88 Alpha 1 : Why are you patriotic? You will probably say it is to support your country, to improve national morale etc. But is patriotism such a good thing? Why,
89 KAUSpilot : Right on Alpha1 !!!! It is my experience that most America Bashers are confined to forums like these, where they can remain faceless behind a shield o
90 Flyboy36y : LOL. Alpha1... I agree 100% KAUSpilot... I agree 100%.... but SAS23 thinks our ecenomy is crumbling. LOL!!!
91 Post contains images Bravo45 : Lolzzz!!! And how about the Arab side repected Mr.Klauspilot Need to mention here that like religion, patriotism and respect of privacy are some of th
92 Post contains images MagicMan_841 : everyone has it's opinions......just about everyone hates the Middle East, so why wouldn't people hate Americans? I won't tell my opinions, I'm going
93 Kaitakfan : Klaus made some good comments not to long ago in this thread. I suggest his post is reviewed. After checking it out I think he made some good observat
94 Staffan : Patriotism is great, so is loving your country, and being proud of yourself, howerver, shoving it in someone elses face and belittling thm isn't going
95 KROC : Staffan. Patriotism is great, so is loving your country, and being proud of yourself, howerver, shoving it in someone elses face and belittling thm is
96 Hkgspotter1 : If the US stopped sticking its nose into other peoples problems and just stopped telling the world what to do there would be no problems.
97 Post contains images Paulc : hope you have got your tin hat on Daryl - incoming............................
98 KROC : If the US stopped sticking its nose into other peoples problems and just stopped telling the world what to do there would be no problems. I'm American
99 Bravo45 : Well KROC. I and many else would agree that if the US and other powers had not interviened into other's matters, the would would have been a better pl
100 KROC : Bravo45. What the F*ck does the fact there are more cell phones in New York than Africa have to do with ANYTHING? As for the aid calculation. What? Yo
101 Flyboy36y : Aid is given in a calculated amount so tha those people may not be able to get up on their feet and so they will have to rely on the US. What would be
102 Bravo45 : I have not been talking in terms and tone in which you took what I said. Do you claim US policies to be perfect??? I m only refering to the US blunder
103 Post contains images Flyboy36y : I noticed you neglected to give us the relevance of the Cell-phone comment.
104 KROC : Bravo, bring it with the cell phone survey, and its relevance. As for U.S. "Blunders" the cause for criticism. Give me a break. The positives far out
105 Bravo45 : DID I STARTED THIS THREAD?? NO. I ONLY ANSWERED IT BY SAYING THAT THERE IS NO ANTI-AMERICAN PROBLEM AS YOU SAY IT IS OKAY!!!!!!!!???? THEN I GAVE THE
106 Post contains links and images Klaus : STT757: In Europe, and And most other Countries of the World they're pretty much one race, Nationalists or even Facists abound. So how much do you act
107 KROC : Slow down Bravo. We were calmly discussing things. Not need to get all fired up. As for the rest of your post. It was incoherent. Sorry. I will say th
108 KROC : Klaus. I am taking about all of my tax dollars, and other peoples tax dollars that go all around the world. Money to Africa, money to this, that, mone
109 Klaus : KROC: Klaus. I am taking about all of my tax dollars, and other peoples tax dollars that go all around the world. Money to Africa, money to this, that
110 KROC : Klaus. I'm talking about all the money as a whole spent elsewhere. And like Isaid, charities and such make a significant amount of money in the U.S. a
111 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Patriotism is great, so is loving your country, and being proud of yourself, howerver, shoving it in someone elses face and belittling thm isn't going
112 Ryanb741 : Alpha_1 - the USA IS responsible for all the world's evils. SAS said so.
113 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Alpha_1 - the USA IS responsible for all the world's evils. SAS said so. Well, SAS23 would throw in another country whose name I will not mention on h
114 Pacificjourney : Alpha1 Is a 'per capita' analysis of spending irrelavent to you. Just think about that for a moment. US population is 100 times that of NZ. Is NZ's sp
115 KROC : PacificJourney. Alpha 1 also acknowledged the fact the U.S. Pumps tons of Private Aid around the world as well. That is why a government statictics sh
116 Klaus : KROC: PacificJourney. Alpha 1 also acknowledged the fact the U.S. Pumps tons of Private Aid around the world as well. That is why a government statict
117 KROC : Klaus. ....... Private Funding. Also, who offers the most aid and relief for disasters around the world?
118 Clipperhawaii : Answer....United States of America. That clear if enough for ya? End of THAT story!
119 Klaus : KROC: Private Funding. That´s to be added in all the other countries as well. Do you have numbers that make the combined amounts comparable? KROC: Al
120 Boeing4ever : Take palestine and see what the US backing of Israel has done. Its has been under the control of Britian and now a days America has a lot of control o
121 Pacificjourney : KROC I would like to see some figures on relative amounts of aid given privately as opposed to government money. Haven't a clue where reliable info mi
122 LV-ARG : I have to remember all of you that the US deparment of state suported ALL THE MILITARY GOVERMENTS IN SOUTHAMERICA during the '70. The solution to stop
123 EmiratesLover : People becoming sick of ``Anti-American crap''. Interesting, interesting. Does it ever occur to people that there may be many people out there who act
124 STT757 : FACT: Malta is where the bomb that destroyed Pan Am flight 103 origninated, it was put on a flight to Frankfurt where it connected to 103 out of LHR.
125 Klaus : EmiratesLover, I must sadly agree with most of your points as far as they are backed by fact. Yes, I think that americans can only benefit from having
126 NormalSpeed : "FACT - Since 1991 the US has resisted any attempts to lift the genocidal economic sanctions on Iraq, which havew contributed to a horrible humanitari
127 Klaus : STT757: FACT: Malta is where the bomb that destroyed Pan Am flight 103 origninated, it was put on a flight to Frankfurt where it connected to 103 out
128 Travelin man : Nothing gets resolved by pointing fingers at others. That's a pretty funny statement in this thread. EmiratesLover, here's a challenge: See if you can
129 Wn700driver : Emirates... The US even refuses to pay it's dues to the UN, and last time I checked owed something like a billion dollars to the world body.Not bad fo
130 STT757 : KLAUS, check people's profiles and maybe you can figure it out.
131 Boeing4ever : Emirates, prove that you're not one-sided and compile a list of good things the US has done. Put your money where your mouth is!!!!!!!! B4e
132 Post contains images Klaus : Klaus: I don´t understand how this reflects on the USA. Nothing gets resolved by pointing fingers at others. Evil can´t be justified with other evil
133 Manni : Where did Emirates said that he is not one sided? Isn't that allowed anymore? Did it ever came to your minds that all these anti-Arab crap is not bett
134 Flight152 : EmiratesLover, I pitty you if that is the only things you can up with when you think of the United States. Looks like US foreign policy has a lot to a
135 Post contains images Klaus : Flight152: EmiratesLover, I pitty you if that is the only things you can up with when you think of the United States. He didn´t say that, actually. I
136 Post contains images Boeing4ever : You know what, they say we're evil, so just ignore them. I say we cut all that cushy aid to those ungrateful or undeserving nations of the Middle East
137 Post contains images Flyboy36y : Yeah Emirites Lover.... Let's gett it with that list...!
138 Travelin man : Manni -- "Where did Emirates said that he is not one sided? Isn't that allowed anymore?" Klaus -- "And yes, she´s pretty tough and more than just a b
139 Post contains images Klaus : Travelin man: You guys are talking out of both sides of your mouth. On the one hand you say Americans should be able to be a little more self-critical
140 We're Nuts : Well I don't know which threads you guys are reading, but I for one haven't seen anything the least bit anti-Armenian!
141 Post contains images ADG : B4e? Good things? Tommy Lee Jones Star Trek VH-ADG
142 Post contains images Klaus : Okay.... - Martin Luther King - Apple - the Blues Brothers - most people (unless on a rampage at the moment )
143 Post contains images Rai : ADG says: B4e? Good things? Tommy Lee Jones Tommy Lee Jones? OOOOHkay! If you like the cratered look.
144 Travelin man : What I just don´t get is this reflex to break into tears and throwing a tantrum whenever someone happens to criticise something. I guess we'll have t
145 Post contains images Klaus : Oh, I forgot: - the B52´s (the singing ones, of course, not the bombing ones )
146 Post contains images ADG : Rai, Looks? It's his brilliant ACTING that I appreciate ... ... looks & voice would be Sean Connery, but he's not american so I didn't name him! :D VH
147 Mx5_boy : Guys, These threads are always the same. On a side issue, I think my American friends have more to worry about than terrorism, they have the ever deli
148 Post contains images Klaus : Travelin man: When people defend America's actions, you call it "breaking into tears and throwing a tantrum". No. When there´s actual arguing involve
149 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : Good things about the USA: Coke Big Macs Detroit New York Boeing Microsoft United airlines Bad things about the USA: No soccer! Arsenal@LHR
150 Rai : Arsenal@LHR says: Bad things about the USA: No soccer! Dude, you come to any city park in New York City and all you see the kids play is soccer! But i
151 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : Dude, you come to any city park in New York City and all you see the kids play is soccer! Funny you say that, cos i've been to NYC 6 times, yet i have
152 Rai : Arsenal@LHR: You've probably never been to Queens then...
153 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : Queens is where my uncle lives, Astoria boulevard to be precise, but believe me, the basketball theme was popular, not football, but i guess i must ha
154 Rai : I live close to Astoria Boulevard, actually. What neighborhood?
155 STT757 : It's almost all immigrants who play Soccer in the City, on the Weekends you can find them playing in most City parks. In the Suburbs Soccer is popular
156 Arsenal@LHR : Rai, I can't remember the name, but my unc's house is near that park with the running track in it, from where u have a view of Manhattan?
157 Pacificjourney : Wn700driver You must be joking to say that countries owe the US a lot of money. Which countries exactly and how much ? In fact it is quite the opposit
158 Alpha 1 : At least you were finally man enough, EmiratesLover, to come out and finally say you hate the U.S. Unfortunately, like a majority of your fellow Musli
159 Flyboy36y : Alpha1, GREAT post. One of the best on A.net i've ever seen. Aresenal@LHR, my cousin played soccer for her High School in NY. The hatred of the US is
160 EWRvirgin : Emirates, Much of what you have cited ocurred during the Cold War and therefore must be looked at in the context of that period of time. Don't think f
161 Jaysit : We may have our share of faults - supporting dictatorships the world over, kissing the butts of oil encrusted Arabs, etc. We may have overweight-pushy
162 Pacificjourney : Jaysit Now you HAVE gone too far ! Claims of cultural or economic superiority I can shrug of but THIS, the best ice cream in the world ... it's too mu
163 Bravo45 : Did someone mentioned U.S.S Cole incident?? Well I don't remember in what respects that was mentioned. But that reminded me of another incident, the U
164 Rai : I'm an American and I actually have to agree with PacificJourney on this one. The best ice cream I ever had was in Greece...mmmmm. Ben and Jerry's cou
165 Boeing4ever : Bravo, the USS Cole was attacked by Osama Bin Ladin's terror group operating out of Yemen. The USS Liberty was also attacked by a terror group, the ID
166 STT757 : No way ! Best Ice Cream on Earth is at Jersey Freeze in Freehold, the Food Channel did a story about them recently. Also Creeme MEE Freeze on rt 33 in
167 STT757 : Also the USS Stark was struck by a Excorcet missle fired by an Iraqi jet, this was way before the Gulf War.
168 747-451 : I just read this entire thread. I take the criticism from who it comes from and leave it at that. I don't expect a 15 year old to have the scope or ma
169 Flyboy36y : 747-451, Thank you. And it's good to see a fellow New Yorker who can remember the sheer horror and terror that all of us felt 300 times worse than any
170 ADG : As far as those who say the US deserved 9/11, I pray for your soul. Correct me if i'm wrong but nobody has said that the US deserved 9/11. There are t
171 Bravo45 : Boeing4ever! Would you in some clearer words what you just said?? You are talking about dropping nalpham.....??
172 L-188 : The Stark was hit by a French built Exocet Missle, fired by a French built Mirage jet. I could just see somebody trying to make a connection there. Th
173 Bravo45 : Well yes people have debated over it a lot. But in any such case there is a military investigation by the US Navy coz a number of US marines were kill
174 Alpha 1 : Correct me if i'm wrong but nobody has said that the US deserved 9/11. I believe Goodbye did about 6 months ago. He also is on public record in saying
175 Post contains links Flyboy36y : ADG, http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/101475/6/ As they say in the US... choke on it. Cheers, Jacob
176 Alpha 1 : Ok, let me get this right now..hehe. Amen, Flyboy. Nothing like hanging a THI member with their own words, is there. And the fact is, ADG, that you fe
177 Mirage : "...but love my countree for the freedom I enjoy by being a citizen of it." Are you sure of that? freedom is very strange in the US. Luis
178 Post contains images Flight152 : Mirage- Are you sure of that? freedom is very strange in the US. Ohh yes. Freedom of the press, religon, speech etc.. is extremly strange, isn't it? *
179 Hepkat : Aren't there more important things in life than proving who is absolutely right, or who gets the last word? Time for a reality check guys - this is NO
180 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Aren't there more important things in life than proving who is absolutely right, or who gets the last word? Time for a reality check guys - this is NO
181 B747ca : Look, I've been to the States many times and I gotta say one thing. The are a bunch of GREAT people living there. I have had no problems when ever I h
182 Post contains images Klaus : B747ca: I think the problem here is that people (Non-Americans) should attack the policies of the Government and not the people. I couldn´t agree mor
183 Post contains images 747-451 : Does that go for the European governments as well?? or are they above reproach?
184 Post contains images Klaus : 747-451: Does that go for the European governments as well?? Of course it does! 747-451: or are they above reproach? Criticism of european governments
185 PHX-LJU : Klaus wrote: >>"But the strange thing is, that´s exactly what´s been happening all along! (With occasional exceptions.)" Well, it's those exceptions
186 Klaus : PHX-LJU: Well, it's those exceptions that are troubling. You would think that most people would not resort to attacking an entire country because they
187 PHX-LJU : Klaus wrote: >>"So why should the USA be the only country in the world that isn´t harshly criticized by some?" Well, I can't speak for my fellow Amer
188 Klaus : PHX-LJU: The bottom line is that such simplistic attacks, aimed at an incredibly diverse and complicated country, a country that has contributed so mu
189 Alpha 1 : Criticism of european governments just rarely gets the same outraged response by europeans we´ve come to almost expect when it´s about the USA. Mayb
190 NAACREW : One word, "JEALOUSY". Enough said.
191 Post contains images Klaus : Klaus: Criticism of european governments just rarely gets the same outraged response by europeans we´ve come to almost expect when it´s about the US
192 Post contains images 747-451 : Klaus said: The more someone rejects any possibility that something could be wrong, the tougher the reactions will get. Vanity doesn´t breed admirati
193 Klaus : NAACREW: One word, "JEALOUSY". Enough said. One word: Vanity. Enough said.
194 Post contains images Alpha 1 : So you´re outraged because you believe that power should not be criticized? Not at all-when it's justified. But even when it's NOT justfied, the U.S.
195 Flight152 : But the strange thing is, that´s exactly what´s been happening all along! (With occasional exceptions.) The trouble is that at least in this forum,
196 Klaus : 747-451: Vanity is a funny word to use dont you think? Isn't it "vain" how some of the European participants are by deeming themselves as judges of th
197 Alpha 1 : Any discussion forum needs opinions. And that includes opinions on others. It doesn´t take vanity to have an opinion. I find that funny, since so man
198 STT757 : Americans are confident, Europeans are insecure.
199 Post contains images Klaus : Alpha 1: It seems that with many voices on here, the U.S. gets critisized not matter what it does. There will always be somebody to criticize somethin
200 STT757 : The United States is a large country with a geography that goes from Rain forests, to the Artic Circle, to vast praries, Savanahs, tropical, temperate
201 Alpha 1 : ROTFL, Klaus, I hardly embarrassed myself on that issue-I do feel that way. Germany has tried to sweep it under the rug when they can-just as America
202 Post contains images Klaus : Flight152: Bullshit. Here are just a few examples “occasional exceptions” that I have found in a quick 5 minute search. Two posts by the same pers
203 Post contains images Klaus : Alpha 1: ROTFL, Klaus, I hardly embarrassed myself on that issue-I do feel that way. You can have a prejudice. Just expect it to get challenged with f
204 747-451 : Klaus said: "Sigh. It´s that same mechanism again: When criticism comes up, don´t ever actually cope with it. Instead, by all means, try to find an
205 Post contains images SAS23 : What does one expect from a country that has no true national identity - apart from Coca Cola and McDonalds - and no culture of its own apart from tha
206 Flyboy36y : What does one expect from a country that has no true national identity - apart from Coca Cola and McDonalds - and no culture of its own America is a h
207 L-188 : Many of their cases are collapsing because the people were arrested illegally and with no real evidence. Lets see here. We just got a gulity plea from
208 PHX-LJU : SAS23 wrote: >>"What does one expect from a country that has no true national identity - apart from Coca Cola and McDonalds - and no culture of its ow
209 Post contains links SAS23 : Flyboy36y ... America is a nation of immigrants, and the reason that the culture varies so much from area to area is that it is also imported. What ca
210 PHX-LJU : SAS23 wrote: >>"What can you identify as true, home bred American culture? Something without any foreign influence whatsoever" What are you talking ab
211 PHX-LJU : P.S. SAS23, I dare you to visit an American art exhibit, to read a book about American design, to check out some photos of American architecture, to l
212 Post contains images Klaus : 747-451: Quite frankly, you haven't answered my replies with anything but "deflection" either... Apart from being an attempt of a comeback, why would
213 B747ca : We now have the Europeans bashing each other!!!!!! This is priceless.
214 Alpha 1 : They hold captives that they have no right to try in inhumane conditions. Right, inhuman conditions: prefabed housing; 3 square meals a day; allowed t
215 Post contains images SAS23 : Alpha 1 - thank you for confirming that the US has no true indigenous culture other than that of the Native Americans, who sadly were largely wiped ou
216 Flight152 : What does one expect from a country that has no true national identity - apart from Coca Cola and McDonalds Is that what you think? Wow, you must be p
217 B747ca : SAS23 said "Alpha 1 - thank you for confirming that the US has no true indigenous culture other than that of the Native Americans, who sadly were larg
218 B747ca : I might add the English and the French.
219 Flyboy36y : I'm also rather shocked that you aren't aware that Allah is the Islamic name for God - as Jehovah is for the Jews. I certainlywas aware allah is the n
220 PHX-LJU : Alpha 1 wrote: "You just don't get it, SAS23, do you? We are-COMPLETELY-an nation of immigrants: from the first settlers who landed here from Europe,
221 Post contains images Aviatsiya.ru : "You just don't get it, SAS23, do you? We are-COMPLETELY-an nation of immigrants: from the first settlers who landed here from Europe, to the immigran
222 Alpha 1 : but it means that the culture is sourced from each of those many diverse nations from which the immigrants come. But you miss the point-as usual, SAS2
223 Flyboy36y : Actually, I think that the aboriginal Americans might not agree with you on this one. Talk to the British, Dutch, and French.
224 Arsenal@LHR : .....and Irish, or didn't they colonise any part of the USA?
225 SAS23 : Flyboy36y ... and the Germans, Spanish, Irish etc etc... Alpha 1 - that's all well and good, but it doesn't answer my original point where I said that
226 Klaus : Flyboy36y: I do think it should be based op 100% popular vote but to say we are not a democracy, as SAS23 implied, is a bit of a strech. Agreed on bot
227 Alpha 1 : Alpha 1 - that's all well and good, but it doesn't answer my original point where I said that America has no true culture or identity of its own - rat
228 Flyboy36y : To add to Alpha1's great post: The US is a tapestry. If you feel our culture is inferior then you need only look to your own cultutre to see the roots
229 Alpha 1 : Let me put it to you in a more personal way, SAS23. My family has been in this country for a long time-I had ancestors come over on the Mayflower, in
230 Rai : because there has NEVER been a country like this-made up of every race, creed and color that the world has to offer. Welll...Canadians, New Zealanders
231 Maiznblu_757 : Me too....................................................................
232 Alpha 1 : Welll...Canadians, New Zealanders, Australians and Brazilians may beg to differ... They can differ all they want, but they don't have ethnic diversity
233 Post contains images B747ca : Alpha 1 please watch what you say. Canada is as ethnically diverse if not more so. Our whole identity is based on Multiculturalism. A true melting pot
234 Rai : They can differ all they want, but they don't have ethnic diversity the U.S. does. I disagree with that as well. Toronto, Sydney, Melbourne and Sao Pa
235 Matt D : They can differ all they want, but they don't have ethnic diversity the U.S. does. So. Who gives a crap about that? Since when are diversity and cultu
236 Alpha 1 : Alpha 1 please watch what you say. Canada is as ethnically diverse if not more so. Our whole identity is based on Multiculturalism. A true melting pot
237 Rai : Our whole identity is based on Multiculturalism. A true melting pot. Multiculturalism is not the same as a melting pot...
238 Alpha 1 : So. Who gives a crap about that? Since when are diversity and cultural/economic success mutually dependent on each other? Maybe because it is now, Mat
239 Post contains images B747ca : RAI, I stand corrected. The melting pot is more of a characteristic of the US. My apologies. Immigration as it pertains to keeping one's cultural iden
240 Rai : 747ca: That pretty much sums it up. I'll agree with you there.
241 Kaitakfan : Do anyone of you people feel there is something to be gained in this thread? At the rate its going, I would say its just in a downward spiral with an
242 B747ca : Hey Alpha 1, I'm cool, hence the happy face. I did not take your comment as a slight, as I can tell it was not meant to be that. I was just pointing o
243 Post contains images Alpha 1 : I don't know Kaitakfan-maybe we should go for 500 posts on 1 thread!!
244 Rai : B747ca: I grew up in Canada. I'd have to disagree with you about Canada being more multicultural, unless you're assuming that ethnic groups there are
245 B747ca : Kaitakfan, I think that this is one of the best threads in a long time. The participants are having a CIVIL and I say CIVIL discussion. If it does not
246 B747ca : That's the point I am trying to make. We are encouraged to keep our culture. I am grasping at straws here, but per capita, I think we have more cultur
247 Rai : Ok...that makes sense. But in terms of more cultures, Canada doesn't have much of a hispanic or latino presence.
248 Matt D : Actually quite the contrary Alpha, I am playing the part of anything BUT victim. I'm more than willing to mow down anyone that gets in my way. It's Po
249 B747ca : Obviously not as big as the US, but it is growing.
250 B747ca : Actually, Matt D both of you are. The man and his family due to him being put in jail. And you 2 fold. 1. For your car and 2. Because he was carted of
251 Matt D : B747ca: Well you DO have a point vís-a-vís higher taxes and Social assistance. But given a choice, I would not object at all to paying for incarcrat
252 B747ca : Matt D, I have read some of your comments before in other threads and have actually enjoyed them. But, this is one of the CRAZIEST things I have ever
253 B747ca : But please enough of this as we are getting off topic and corrupting the thread.
254 Matt D : Wait just a minute. You label my call to end Social Assistance as "asanine". Well instead of just slinging a cow pie, why not elaborate on why. Would
255 B747ca : Wrong. I am 31 years old. Have a beautiful wife and son. Have been working FT for 6 years earn between $61,750 CAN per year (not including bonus). Che
256 747-451 : SAS23 says: What does one expect from a country that has no true national identity - apart from Coca Cola and McDonalds - and no culture of its own ap
257 Post contains images Klaus : Are you just trying to provide the detractors of the USA with ammunition or have I missed a new development in this thread?
258 Klaus : My previous remark was aimed at the lovely Matt D exchange. I just lost interest in this thread for today. See ya!
259 Rai : I live in Canada. We pay more taxes, have better schooling, better police and fire protection, and our streets are in better shape. That's a pretty br
260 B747ca : No difference?!?!?!?!?!? What about 2 tier vs. single tier???? How much does it cost to go to university in the US????? With the tuition cost for one
261 Rai : State schools are no different in terms of the quality of education. They cost roughly the same as Canadian universities. Now what are you talking abo
262 Alpha 1 : I'm more than willing to mow down anyone that gets in my way. It's Political Correctness that makes that difficult. Oh, I don't have any doubt of that
263 Flyboy36y : I would just like to say a GREAT BIG thanks for keeping this thread mostly civil for over 260 posts!
264 Bravo45 : KROC! I am sorry I didn't fired up nor I wanted things to fire up. First of all I would like to applogize for the late reply coz I had little time for
265 Post contains images 737doctor : You know, arguing with a lot of these users is like wrestling a pig in mud. After a while you realize that the pig likes it.
266 Post contains images Swissgabe : Well, should I reply too...
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