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User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11294 times:

This American Airlines Captain's letter has been circulating in our pilot community here.

You Worry Me. I Wish You Didn't.


"You worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I notice you because I can't help it anymore.
People from your homeland, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.
On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers. So I notice you now.
I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab / Muslim terrorist.
How do I differentiate between the true Arab-Muslim-Americans and the Arab-Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter those very same good neighbors and children?
The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of it's religions, with ALL of it's different citizens, with all of it's faults. It is time for every Arab-Muslim in this country to determine it for me. I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know whether or not you love America.

Do you pledge allegiance to it's flag?
Do you proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car?
Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your "Jihads"?
Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this country?
Are you willing to preserve this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice?
Do you love America?

If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it. Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. And no more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy, I am only interested in action. What will you do for America -- our great country -- at this time of crisis, at this time of war?

I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets.
I want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America."
I want to see young Arab-Muslim men enlisting in the military.
I want to see a commitment of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim communities. You know them. You know where they are. Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter.

You have disappeared from the streets.
You have posted armed security guards at your facilities.
You have threatened lawsuits.
You have screamed for protection from reprisals.

The very few Arab-Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States prove who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat.
If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people, then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders" are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance. It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion.

A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again.
A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide.
A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world.
A form whose members defended Johnny Cochran and O. J. Simpson after the latter butchered his wife and murdered an innocent friend.
A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air.
A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America.
A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly show their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore?
Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or celebrate Christmas? Do you and you fellow Muslims hate us because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY civilized nation in the entire middle-east?

And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then why in the world are you even here?
Are you here to take our money?
Are you here to undermine our peace and stability?
Are you here to destroy us? If so, I want you to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like rats and dogs.

I want you to take your religion, your friends, and your family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, your twisted, violent, intolerant religion.

We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world. I want to know where every Arab-Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family.

I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand. Until then. You worry me."

Captain John Maniscalco American Airlines


You may agree with this letter or not. A lot of pilots however feel the same way. Interesting perspective none the less. Are his points valid or too extreem?
I invite your intelligent comments.

CH





"You Can't Beat The Experience"
118 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAviatsiya.ru From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11239 times:

You have threatened lawsuits.

If this isn't demonstration enough of what this AA pilot needs from the Arab-Muslim community in America that they hold the ideals for which "America" stands (I fail to see how having a flag on your house or car makes a lick of different) in the highest regard, I don't know what does.

The whole diatribe raises one or two good points, but overall it is 99.99% emotional and uninformed dribble.


User currently offlineAviatsiya.ru From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11228 times:

Also, tell Captain John Maniscalco from me that he is nothing but a fricking racist. The whole thing he has written wreeks of racism....and only a blind man (or a total numbnut) would not be able to see it.

User currently offlineAlaska739 From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11227 times:

Let's hear it for Captain Maniscalco! I'm glad that someone is finally stepping up to the plate and telling it like it is.

ev



north dakota sucks.
User currently offlineB747forlife From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11220 times:

Alaska739: I'm with you.

Captain Maniscalco is right. Bravo, someone is finally saying what most Americans are thinking.

-Nick


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11214 times:

While I dont agree with everything the pilot said, and I dont really agree with how is doing it, I think he is bang on the money about how the muslims living in America should be standing up at the plate to try and address the balance on this. The odd thing is that I know a lot of muslims in the UK, and even though they are not terrorists, almost all of them has a deep hatred of America and of Britain for that matter. When asked on it, they all say the same thing, that this is how the were educated, and while they personally don't really see any personal problems, their ancesters know better...

Very sad

Jeremy


User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11203 times:

I say it's about damn time someone came out and said that.. I wish it had been said earlier, but better now than never.. Way to go Captain!!!

Chris



Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11196 times:

I agree with the Captain 100%. He is merely asking the American Muslim community which side they are on. It "wreeks" (wreaks) of anger and frustration, not racism, as Aviatsiya.ru suggests.

If they choose the US, then they must show their commitment. If not, leave. No one forced them to come here.

I think it's a great letter, and I am curious to hear (and see) the answer from the American Muslim community.

Pete


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11193 times:

Also, tell Captain John Maniscalco from me that he is nothing but a fricking racist.

How is he racist? Everytime an American has something to say on these boards, about another race, there are always people like you who call them racists Aviatsiya, yet you never explain yourself!

Why is he a racist for writing this?!?



-NWA742


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11164 times:

Very interesting letter. I live in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood of Queens and I really don’t get the sense of any misplaced loyalties. Most of the residents here seem genuinely happy to be living here and proud to be Americans. I’d even say that most of them go out of their way to prove that they are Americans. I’ve talked to many Muslims too and many of them were pretty impressed with the way the police reacted after 9/11 and that the anti-Muslim backlash wasn’t that bad. One girl was really heartened by the fact that extra police were stationed at local Mosques to make sure that they were protected against vandals or anyone else with like-minded ideas.

I have seen some interesting happenings, however. The other day, a group of Muslims were protesting down the street the bombings in Afghanistan. Most of them had signs claiming it to be a war against Islam. Nobody on the street seemed to be paying attention. I took a gander at some of the signs and noticed they had the web address www.almujahadid.com or something like that. I have heard that there was an Islamic militant site with a similar address. I haven’t had the time to check it out, but I may do so in the future. Again, I’m not sure of the spelling, but I am quite positive the address consisted of the word “mujahadid”, which means “holy warrior” in Arabic.

My landlord is from Egypt. I think he’s Costic, but his wife from Morocco and she’s definitely Muslim. Both are good people. He’s very, very pro-American and very patriotic. I was considering taking a job in Dubai and I asked him about it. He yelled at me, saying: “you want to work for bin Laden?!” I guess he has pretty strong emotions about it. He told me that for years the Costics were complaining to the government about the Muslims and that they “were up to something,” but that the government never listened. One thing for sure, he blames the U.S. for giving bin Laden money and weapon, and that they “should have never trusted him to begin with.” I consider him a good source of information as he has all the Arabic TV channels on satellite and he seems to be involved with the community.

On a side note, he tells me that he doesn’t consider himself to be “Arab”, but “Egyptian” and a “descendant of the Pharaohs.” I asked him why he doesn’t consider himself Arab and he gave me an answer, but it probably wouldn’t be appropriate to post on a public forum.


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11127 times:

What started out as a reasonable approach to touchy subjects like profiling and PC dissolved into a xenophobic rant.

Maniscalco, huh? Not 60 years ago your kind was killing Americans too, Captain. Stick to the throtle and waypoints, friend.



User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11120 times:

Amazing, Avitsiya-any time someone says that the Arabs are responsible for something, they're fricking racists. Well, maybe you're just fricking blind to the fact that Arab/Muslims have been causing terror for year now, and have blasphemed the God they say they represent, and have given a once proud religion and race a bad name. Maybe you should take your THI-sympathizing blinders off and smell the manure you're spreading once.

And why do you even care what an American aircraft Pilot is saying to fellow Americans? What concern is it to you-or did you feel the need to defend these noble terrorist-yet again?

I welcome you to the happy family of THI. Enjoy the company.


User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11106 times:

Is this really what most Americans are thinking? I sure hope so.

But based on what I've seen lately, I'd have to say no. That's too bad.

I'm afraid it's going to take another mass slaughter of Americans for the rest to be bold.


User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11101 times:

Appending my earlier comments, I feel that there were a couple of lines that probably should have been left out of the captain's letter...

rather than cover up like a shameful whore...

your retarded mentality


User currently offlineFutureSQPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11088 times:

I agree with most of the letter except for lines like those that TWAL1011 brought up. Maybe they haven't had the chance, but I would like to see some Arab-Muslims demonstrate their American pride through the media...we always see Palestinian muslims burning/stomping on the American flag, why can't we see American Arab-Muslims raise the flag and defend the country that provides them with a chance at freedom and success? The only American Arab-Muslims that I have seen interviewed spoke only of concern for the safety of themselves and others in their American Arab-Muslim community.

User currently offlineSuper Em From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11087 times:

Every generation, there always seem to be a bad guy that surfaces. Japanese during WW2, Blacks during the 60's and 70's the Russians during the 80's and now the Muslims. One should study history and do research before judging a race instead of letting corporate controlled media do it for them. All races and religions have committed mass murders and crimes throughout history. All have used the "in the name of god" line to carry out their acts. A whole group of people cannot be blamed for a couple of extremists. Does the world hate all Christians because of Hitler? Did everyone hate white Americans because of Mcveigh? Let's not let our emotions get the best of us. We have the right to be angry. But it is when we are angry, we make the worst decisions.

User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11076 times:

Good job captain! Thnak you for your wise words.

Aviatsiya.ru, a man who thinks races smell differently should not call others racist. The pot calling the kettle black, you know?


User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11066 times:

Well, I don't know where you got the "Blacks during the 60's and 70's " thing from...

But as far as the Japanese during WWII, the Soviets during the 80's, and the Islamists of today...Yeah, they were/are the bad guys.

That was a very poor attempt at an analogy, my friend.


User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11080 times:

Good job Capt. I agree with you 110%!!!!!

User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11034 times:

People are people are people are people. When will we all learn that? 99.9% of our bodies are exactly the same, it's that 0.1% which causes so much trouble. Fortunately, no thinking man would allow such a tiny percentage to rule his world. Thinking men need no leaders. Only the stupid and the sheep require someone to care for them, and in the lack of genuine leadership, they will follow anyone whose mouth bleats loudly enough. Our fate for being intelligent, but not intelligent enough.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11029 times:

The thing about Islam is that Muslims view themselves as part of a wider community of Islam stretching across all of the World's Muslims, rather than to the country in which they live.

That is why many Muslims refuse to join the Armed forces - they would rather not fight against fellow Muslims (even if those Muslims were in the wrong).

My flatmate (an Iraqi) is a devout shi'te Muslim. Whilst he is totally anti Bin Laden and the fanatics, there is a real sense of injustice on his part for the way he believes the Middle East has been betrayed by the West.

The thing that gets me though is that whilst Palestine is an example of injustice in the world, there are countless other injustices equally bad which your average Muslim couldn't give a damn about. It all samcks of a loyalty to their own, which goes back to when the Prophet Mohammed decryed that all Muslims are part of their own community and should look afetr themselves first and foremost. This is why you hear previously unintroduced Muslims calling themselves 'Brother and Sister'. They view themselves as being part of a family.



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10982 times:

. A lot of pilots however feel the same way

A lot of pilots should be fired then. Personally I don't know what the hell he is talking about, & I don't think he does either (as in, is this for real?). We certainly do need to be made more aware of our surroundings here, but
I have heard of no cases in real life where a woman covered ead-to-toe was allowed through security at any airport. But also, people across the board need to take more responsibility. I know that even before the 11th, it would have taken a lot more than a box cutter or three to take away my plane. Just something to think about.


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10964 times:

I agree with Aviatsiya on this ... it does indeed reek of racism. Kinda like the response to the erosion of privacy laws you always get: if you have nothing to hide then there's nothing to be scared of; or the question: "have you stopped battering your wife yet?"

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10952 times:


Dont get into the temptation of spreading racist propaganda is not going to make your lives any better.



SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10940 times:

I love it. Not only is the racism card pulled in America anytime two races have a problem, but now it is spreading worldwide.

Let me say this for those in the cheap seats. Not every issue in the world is based on racism. Now I have only skimmed through the original post, only because these arguments are tiresome and go nowhere these days, so let me say this. I for the most part agree with the basis of the "letter". Does that mean I am racist? No. The thing is, Islamic (muslim, Middle Eastern, whichever you prefer) terrorists have have ruined the whole image of all Muslims. They have tarnished a respected religion, and they have twisted a religion from being peaceful into nothing more than an "excuse" to carry out attacks in the name of Allah. Whenever I go anywhere now, and I see people who look like they are from Middle Eastern Decent, I am cautious, JUST like I am cautious with I was going in the rural areas of Mississippi and Georgia with my New York License Plates on my rig, and the lack of a drawl, and the fact I spoke at a rapid pace. Nobody knows how far the terrorist network expands, and because of this, things like profiling have become needed. I will apologize upfront for the Muslims in America who have to be the recipiant of such treatment, BUT because of these terrorists, it has become a must. Because of this, it does not mean it's racist, I'm racist, ect. It's not like in WWII where Japanese were forced into camps, made to lose all they had ect. In the year 2002, the need for Americans to be alert is at an all time high, and it is proven that the next possible attack could come from inside the country by ME's living here just as easily as it could come from outside the country. Before people start slinging the racism card, know something about the situation. Then again, when Avia.ru and SAS23 throw the racism card in the mix, all credibility goes to sh*t.


25 Wn700driver : KROC, the way I see see it, the problem isn't racism, the problem is this guy is an idiot. He is personally offended that not everybody like americans
26 Post contains images SAS23 : Well said, Wn700driver! Paranoia = xenophobia = racism; regardless of the blinkers worn by the likes of KROC and Alpha 1 etc. Actually, I suspect that
27 KROC : So SAS23. You agree with Wn700driver. "The problem is this guy is an idiot" and I agree with that. I agree its not racism, you agree with Wn, then tak
28 737doctor : Some of you may not agree with everything he said, but you should be able to understand his rationalization for writing it. On September 11, 2001 he l
29 FutureSQPilot : Does the world hate all Christians because of Hitler? Did everyone hate white Americans because of Mcveigh? Super Em- Prodominantly Christian countrie
30 Manni : Well, if he is that paranoid he should not be flying at all, he is a danger for his passengers. I wonder what American Airlines would say about one of
31 Kaitakfan : I just would like to maybe try and put a few of you in check with what is going on here. First off I can see how many of you (Avitsiya,SAS,Manni) view
32 FutureSQPilot : Well said Kaitakfan...
33 Flyboy36y : Fear leads to anger... Anger leads to hate... Hate leads to suffering.
34 GD727 : I completley agree with this AA pilot, way to go!!! It is not racist, it seems liberals think everything is rascist these days! -GD727
35 Wn700driver : Kaitakfan, You make good points, but careful how you say it. I was there, & my family is about 66% the size it was on the 10th as well. This however d
36 SAS23 : Actually, KROC it was you that took the first shot: Then again, when Avia.ru and SAS23 throw the racism card in the mix, all credibility goes to sh*t.
37 KROC : SAS23. I had no idea the "truth" ws a shot. You have no ability to be unbiased in any issue you discuss..........
38 Ben : Is flying a 767 (or several of them) into a tall building full of 'innocent' people any worse than bombing a village full of children with napalm? I c
39 Prebennorholm : Captain Maniscalco is so right in every word he wrote. Basically he invites all good men and women living in his country to share the joy and pride of
40 Kaitakfan : Ben, Basically from what you said, it seems you indirectly are saying that what happend on 9/11 was a justified act, due to fact the United states has
41 Yyz717 : Assuming this letter is real, maybe yall should lighten up on this pilot. Several of his coworkers (by the luck of the draw) were directly involved in
42 Post contains images Alpha 1 : A lot of pilots should be fired then. Sure WN700Driver, let's fire them over their POLITICAL VIEWS! This isn't the Soviet Union, friend. They can thin
43 Post contains links ExitRow : To those of you that question this letter's authenticity, I did some search engine work and found that the speech "You Worry Me" by "American Airlines
44 AWspicious : I'm not racist, but heck, I think the goverment need to scrutinize more closely who they let into this country... And America, as well. I had the most
45 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Hopefully this information will add to this discussion. It didn't.
46 Post contains images Rai : Awspicious: Dude, you're scaring me! I hope you didn't give him a tip! Hmmm...come to think of it, the last cab driver I had in Toronto was from Somal
47 Post contains images AWspicious : Rai; Don't get me wrong - I have great respect for everyone of every couture. I think I can learn from all of the peoples of the world. I like to get
48 ExitRow : I have serious doubts about the validity (and therefore credibility) of the letter by "Captain John Maniscalco." Can anyone substantiate it? If it was
49 Rai : Awspicious: I'm not saying that at all, bro! I'll be honest, I would have been the first to stereotype this man as an Islamic militant based on his ap
50 TWAL1011 : I know that even before the 11th, it would have taken a lot more than a box cutter or three to take away my plane. That's a complete pile of crap and
51 Post contains images SAS23 : ExitRow - thanks very much for that. As you say, the Kahane organisation is a racist, neo-fascist, ultra-Zionist terrorist group proscribed by the US
52 We're Nuts : That's a complete pile of crap and you know it. If there were hijackers dicing up flight attendents on your plane, you would have done exactly as you
53 Wn700driver : let's fire them over their POLITICAL VIEWS! This isn't the Soviet Union, friend. They can think what they want. Just because they're pilots doesn't me
54 Alpha 1 : I have serious doubts about the validity (and therefore credibility) of the letter by "Captain John Maniscalco." Of course you do, ExitRow-because it
55 ExitRow : Of course you do, ExitRow-because it says things you don't like. Had it said something you agree with, you wouldn't worry about it's validity at all.
56 Wn700driver : Don Imus was a public figure who got PAID for saying things in public. This guy doesn't. Do you HONESTLY think AA would not be faced with a huge wrong
57 Post contains images Alpha 1 : And how do you know with absolute certainty that I completely disagree with the letter? Have I commented on the content at ALL? All I said was I doubt
58 TWAL1011 : Also, I'd watch what you say. I certainly wouldn't talk about credibility issues if I were you. You've been banned how many times now? I've never once
59 Wn700driver : Did he do this "on the job"? I don't think so!! If he did it in his own time, to hell with who he "offends". Yes, if he does this in the cockpit, that
60 Alpha 1 : The problem is, on the job or not, he says this representing AA.. Bullshit. If he's not in uniform and not wearing his company ID, he's NOT representi
61 Wn700driver : All he has to say is something like "when I fly this 763" or "here at AA", and whammo, there you have it, he is representing. Also, when you write in
62 ExitRow : In every reference of this letter, it's credited as: YOU WORRY ME By: American Airlines Pilot - Captain John Maniscalco March 10, 2002 Look carefully.
63 Bravo45 : Where are your "civil liberties" gone now??? Is this Islam on trial or is this the trial of every muslim of the world or evey muslim living in the US
64 Rai : Bravo45: Chill out, dude. You obviously don't live in the U.S., so don't make stupid comments like that. As for veiled women, they walk all over the s
65 Bravo45 : You got it a bit wrong pal. With all that this guy said about muslims and with those so many people agreed with him, I wanted to know about this. Ofco
66 Rai : Bravo45: Unless you live here, you're not aware of anything. Besides, didn't you read that this letter is perhaps a fake? You obviously haven't read e
67 Bravo45 : Rai! I have read that, but there are people here that are willing to agree to it fully should or even should it not be true. I wanted to see them comm
68 Rai : Bravo45: I am very sorry to hear that your uncle's store was attacked. Yes, these incidents are rare and the people who do these things are scum who a
69 Post contains images Bravo45 : Ofcourse these terrorists exist everywhere. As for Pakistan, this is surely the price to be the font-line state in the war against terroism. And you t
70 OA412 : It never ceases to amaze me how quickly all the xenophobes and racists jump on the anti-Muslim bandwagon. The fact of the matter is that the pilots re
71 Bravo45 : OA412! I praise you for spending this much time to type all this. And by smashing the true facts and ofcourse by offering another side to the story. I
72 Post contains links Aviatsiya.ru : ExitRow I too have done some searching, and very few websites actually make reference to this "speech" by "AA Pilot" http://www.google.com/search?sour
73 Bravo45 : Okay pal! I have read your post completely and yes I agree to you a lot, however I could have posted a lot more than this and I am sure that the truth
74 Post contains links ExitRow : Found this interesting discussion about this very same "letter." http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/dcforum/DCForumID2/2676.html Hope you have a few hour
75 We're Nuts : Nice detective work there Scotty, it is great to know that this guy doesn't actually fly planes.
76 Alpha 1 : It never ceases to amaze me how quickly all the xenophobes and racists jump on the anti-Muslim bandwagon. 3000 people are murdered, and it's WE who ar
77 Pacificjourney : Careful OA412 you are deviating from the norm. Dissent is not allowed. Individual thought is dangerous and un-american, you ... you socialist ! Rememb
78 Alpha 1 : You have basically said exactly what I said in the 2nd post of this thread. I really don't know why you wasted your time writing all of that out, beca
79 Alpha 1 : Careful OA412 you are deviating from the norm. Dissent is not allowed. Individual thought is dangerous and un-american, you ... you socialist ! Oh, it
80 Pacificjourney : I will allow you but it's just so predictable. You ask him where is his "pride and devotion" to the US, followed by the inevitable 'if you don't like
81 We're Nuts : I'm going to come out of hiding and throw Alpha 1 a bone. 3000 people are murdered, and it's WE who are xenophobic and racists? How about the terroris
82 Alpha 1 : I will allow you but it's just so predictable. You ask him where is his "pride and devotion" to the US, followed by the inevitable 'if you don't like
83 Pacificjourney : Cool, a promotion. It really is my day. What does questioning the motives of the letters writer have to do with supporting terrorism. How about instea
84 Alpha 1 : So two wrongs make a right in Alpha land? What "two wrong", Mr Nuts? I only see one-the murder of 3000 people. Nice dodge. You avoided responding to h
85 Alpha 1 : Perhaps OA412 was answering the letter as OA412 (thinking individual) rather than OA412 (american). Does that make his comments less valid to you ? Ah
86 Post contains images We're Nuts : What "two wrong", Mr Nuts? I only see one-the murder of 3000 people. Nothing wrong with systematically hunting down Muslims and demanding to know what
87 Pacificjourney : Instead of taking incorrect inferences from my post how about answering/discussing it ? I have anti-pathy only to hypocrisy and bullshit. 4 years and
88 Clipperhawaii : Pacificjourney, I just read all of your posts here (several times) and I must say you seem to be insecure about something. Perhaps you should go back
89 Ben88 : "If this guy feels that way about the U.S, it's people and it's ways, then why is he here? If he thinks we're just a bunch of "racist and xenophobic"
90 Post contains images Aviatsiya.ru : Exactly why I put you with the THI crowd, Avitsiya. So next time, don't act so hurt when I put you there. You certainly belong there. Well, my friend,
91 Clipperhawaii : No, but we are not listening to your diatribe! Move on Sir! We heard it already! ClipperH
92 Manni : We're nuts, OA412, Aviatisya and the likes, Congratulations, Unfortunately we see these kinds of posts rarely from your fellow citizens. If all peopl
93 Pacificjourney : I am bothered CH that OA412's and other peoples opinions on here are constantly belittled on the grounds, not of what they say, but on the grounds tha
94 Post contains images Aviatsiya.ru : No, but we are not listening to your diatribe! Move on Sir! We heard it already! Sorry to burst your bubble, but what I have presented is FACT. What i
95 Alpha 1 : Nothing wrong with systematically hunting down Muslims and demanding to know what their political views are? I'm shocked! Riiight, Nuts. Wanting to kn
96 Post contains links Aviatsiya.ru : Americans simply want to know if Muslim-Americans and Arab-Americans are ready to support their country against the like of Osama bin Laden, who would
97 Wn700driver : I keep seeing this. What is THI "crowd"?
98 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : THI = Terrorist Huggers Inc.
99 Wn700driver : Oh, that's not a very nice thing to say about someone.
100 Arsenal@LHR : At first i thought THI was just a bit of joke, but now it seems to be used quite seriously.
101 Post contains images Aviatsiya.ru : Exactly Arsenal. It is fine for people to throw about THI willy nilly, but when one tells that person to kiss their arse when being lumped into that c
102 Wn700driver : I guess technically, you call the Isreali crowd the same thing, since they are in favour of bombing little children...
103 Alpha 1 : The fact that people will not identify themselves as merely Muslim or Arab, but Muslim-American or Arab-American makes it pretty damn clear where thes
104 Alpha 1 : I guess technically, you call the Isreali crowd the same thing, since they are in favour of bombing little children... What an idiotic statement, Driv
105 Marcus : Never in my life had I seen so many ignorance based comments written by a single person.
106 Wn700driver : They knew there would be "collateral-damage" before hand, likely involving children. Then they went & did it. Most juries (I say most b/c every now an
107 We're Nuts : I can answer these two together: Riiight, Nuts. Wanting to know where they stand is a crime to you, I can see. Grow up. & Pray tell me what you actual
108 Post contains images Wn700driver : . I hope Bush doesn't shoot it down. Well if he ever does, that will have to occur on the same day he packs his sh*t, & moves the hell out of the whit
109 OA412 : Wow, I come back and a whole lot of stuff has been written about what I wrote so I feel I have to respond to a lot of it. 3000 people are murdered, an
110 Alpha 1 : Just because he did not come out and say it doesn't mean that it was not implied, and it certainly was. If you read between the lines, the letters int
111 Flyingbronco05 : Im glad something was said but some of that is uncomfortable. But you have to remember that people have kids they need to take care of. My dad was fly
112 Wn700driver : Flyinbronco, Is he really an AA driver then, or just some guy?
113 Dr.DTW : Pure racism....nothing more. I can't believe most of you here applaud this article. He is perpetuating a voice of prejudice and ingnorance. I am Musli
114 Clipperhawaii : Thank you Dr.DTW, for your excellent post. Nothing else need be said. Regards, ClipperHawaii
115 Alpha 1 : Dr. Dtw, maybe you should go over to the Middle East and teach the Muslims a little about their faith. Sounds like you'd be a great representative not
116 Dr.DTW : Alpha1: This is not racism to you?? "....I want you to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like rats and dogs.
117 Alpha 1 : I think it's anger more than racism, Dr. Dtw. I really do. You obviously disagree with me, but that's fine by me.
118 Capt.Fantastic : Greetings: Very well said Dr. DTW. This pilot's comments are clearly racist and undoubtedly based on ignorance. I am saddened to see a Captain of our
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