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Hamas To Consider Stopping Suicide Operations...  
User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

Wow. I can't believe I'm starting an I. vs P. thread, but I think this looks pretty encouraging. Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Palestinian Muslim militant group Hamas, said that his group will consider stopping suicide missions if Israeli military forces leave the West Bank. The ball may be in Israel's court now.

Here's the link to the story.

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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

This is serious. What will people argue about on A net if that happens?

User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

NW, that was rude, & on top of that, not very original.

Related to the thread: This looks very promising. I will be watching this one closely.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 1112 times:
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If Hamas are dead serious about stopping suicide attacks if Israel leaves the illegally occupied areas, then this is a positive move, anything that will get the sides closer to peace must be pursued vigorously. The question is, is Israel prepared to leave the occupied areas permanently like they have stated all along?

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Well I hope it's not just some Hamas scam. I'd like to see the suicide bombing stop.

The issue here is one of pride I think. They've offered an ultimatum, "we will stop the suicide bombing if you leave the west bank". Will Israel accept an ultimatum? Should they accept it? After all, it then puts the Hamas in a position of power over them. I think they should accept it as a first step to peace, but do others agree?

Will the Hamas keep their word or will they consider this a victory and ask for more concessions.

It's hard to say but worth watching.



VH-ADG


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 1100 times:

Actually, I think this is excellent news.

The Israelis - and the Palestinians - need to learn compromise, same as the Republicans and the British did over Northern Ireland. There will be plenty of testing times to come, but if both sides are truly committed then this could well be the first step on the path to peace.


User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

I usually avoid these threads but do have one concern here. Hamas is not the only fish in the sea. Will Islamic Jihad and other groups go along with this as well?

User currently offlineTWAneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 1093 times:

Hasn't Hamas made announcments like this before?

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 1072 times:
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Hasn't Hamas made announcments like this before?

Yes we probably have, but let's hope it's true this time.

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

Definately the Israeli responce will be the key to make this good looking situation really be good.

User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 1051 times:

Well, I don't know if the offer will still stand as it was just reported that the leader of the military wing of Hamas was just killed.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1038 times:

I'd love to believe this, but I also have to say that on the way home tonight from work, there was a news report that Hamas is vowing revenge for the airstrikes in Gaza City tonight, aimed at a top Hamas militant.

It's a shame neither side will back off, but it will also be interesting to see if Hamas vows revenge just hours after saying they might stop attacks.

And SAS23, that was one of the best posts you've ever made on here. Balanced and straightforward. Well done.


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 1023 times:

I'd love to believe this, but I also have to say that on the way home tonight from work, there was a news report that Hamas is vowing revenge for the airstrikes in Gaza City tonight, aimed at a top Hamas militant.

Guess the IDF have told the Hamas what they think of their offer.

It's a shame neither side will back off, but it will also be interesting to see if Hamas vows revenge just hours after saying they might stop attacks.

Unfortunately I suspect they will respond, after all .. they offer the olive branch and the IDF attack. Now we will most likely never know what might have happened if only ......





VH-ADG


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 1016 times:

Unfortunately, it looks like the Israelis might well have blown this very real opportunity for peace with the assassination of a top Hamas member, Sheikh Salah Shehada ... which killed twelve people, four of them young children. This brings to 1,447 Palestinians and 559 Israelis killed since September 2000.

http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=791282002

Reading between the lines, it would appear that there is a power struggle going on in the Israeli government between the hawks (who want a 'final solution' to the Palestinian problem) and the doves who realise that war gets no-one anywhere and would like a realistic negotiated peace. Doubtless there is a similar struggle going on in the Palestinian camp as well ... we on the sideline can only hope and pray that it's the doves that will win.


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 1012 times:

SAS, assassination is the wrong word. They conducted a military strike against a military headquarters (or at least a headquarters of a building engaged in military operations against their country).

Hamas is the military arm of the PLO, and therefore any and all of their assets, including sheikhs, are military targets.

Would you have called the death of Hitler in WW2 an assassination if a British or American bomb had hit the building he was in at the time?



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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

Arsenal@LHR

In response to TWAneedsnohelp's wuestion 'Hasn't Hamas said this before',

You answered 'yes WE have....'

Does that mean you are a member of Hamas? Big grin



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User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 1006 times:

Jwenting - the deliberate targetting of an individual is an assassination, regardless of whether it happens in peace time or in war. Reinhard Heydrich was assassinated by the SOE, for example. And yes, if the British had known that Hitler was in a specific building and they targeted that building specifically for the purposes of killing him ... then that would have been an assassination as well.

Incidentally, Hamas is NOT the military wing of the PLO ... Fatah is; and the building that was targetted was Sheikh Shehada's private residence, not a 'military headquarters' as you stated.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

You got me wondering about that "we" comment to.

Well done to the IDF, did they confirm they got him yet.

I haven't been able to figure out what makes a guy who is directing a terrorist operation out of his basement not a legitmate target.

And he is the one to blame for what happens if he chooses to use his family as human shields.



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User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 999 times:

L-188, he wasn't using his family as a 'human shield' any more than you or anyone else does.

Good grief!


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 997 times:
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Extracts from the BBC story:

Sheikh Salah Shahada was among at least 15 people killed, including eight children, in the missile attack. About 140 people were injured in the attack, and local officials said that more people could be buried under the rubble.

The Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, congratulated his forces on the air strike, which he described as "a great success".

Mr Sharon - who reportedly gave his personal approval for the operation - expressed regret for the civilian deaths, but said there could be no "compromise with terror".

David


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 991 times:

He isn't holding a gun to a hostage and making them stand in front of them no.

But the intent is the same. Hoping that his house won't get bombed because his family is there.



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User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 991 times:

If Sharon gave his personal approval for the operation, I think that clearly demonstrates that he has no interest whatsoever in making peace with the Palestinians ... despite their outstretched hand of friendship.

Unfortunately, I think we can expect retaliatory strikes against Israel as a result ... and so the tit-for-tat cycle of violence continues.

Truly, a sad day for all Israelis and Palestinians.  Sad


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 975 times:

SAS23....If Sharon gave his personal approval for the operation, I think that clearly demonstrates that he has no interest whatsoever in making peace with the Palestinians ...

You know what? I agree with you. Sharon doesn't want peace any more than the Palestinians do. But there were 50 years of Israeli leaders before him who did. Looks like time has run out.

Pete


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 972 times:
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In "we", i mean the general public, so no connection with hamas with me lol  Smile



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User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 969 times:

Regardless of whether you believe the Hamas or not, a terrible thing has occurred. They have proven that Israel isn't interested in peace, they have poven that no matter what they say they cannot stop the IDF.

Do you really comprehend what that means? Can you really understand what the IDF have done tonight?

The Hamas and the rest of the organisations in Palestine no longer have peace to aim for, Israel has taken that hope from them. They only have death left.

The war in the Middle East just took a turn for the worst and Israel has no one to blame for any further deaths in Israel but themselves. To all the Israelis here, god help you all from the actions of your government.

Sharon = widowmaker.




VH-ADG


25 Alpha 1 : If Sharon gave his personal approval for the operation, I think that clearly demonstrates that he has no interest whatsoever in making peace with the
26 STT757 : Without leadership terrorists are just street thugs, terrorists groups are just another type of organized crime. Take away their leadership and their
27 Arsenal@LHR : I really thought this was a decent proposal from hamas, and that Israel might pursue a peace deal down this avenue. But obviously that won't happen si
28 David_itl : Alpha1 Yeah, they got "their" target but at what cost? 14 other people dead and scores injured. Think of it like up to 14 families (or Hamas*) now vow
29 ADG : I really thought this was a decent proposal from hamas, and that Israel might pursue a peace deal down this avenue. But obviously that won't happen si
30 ADG : Apparently Israel is trying to tell us that their intelligence told them that the target was alone and there were no innocent civilans near him when t
31 Bravo45 : Alpha1! I think that you should be a bit more real. This is not one of your video games in which you could be happy to kill a target at a cost. But th
32 Alpha 1 : Lies, lies and more lies ???... Of course, you would know better, ADG. You were there, right? You were there when the intelligence brief was put out,
33 Bravo45 : Well firstly let me tell ya that this is one post of your that has more than a bit to which I would agree. No one here is blindly supporting the terro
34 Alpha 1 : Do you blame those 9 children to be proving the shelter to him??? The children, absolutely not. The adults who put them in harms way, yes.
35 Krushny : What has striken me about this new terrible episode of the I/P conflict, is the timing of the attack. As I have said before in this forum, every step
36 Krushny : Another thing, this "human shield" crap sickens me. When our local terrorist group (ETA) murders someone, and also kills the wife or a child of him (
37 Rai : What does ETA stand for?? (filler)
38 Krushny : Euskadi Ta Askatasuna . Basque words which I believe mean "Basque Country and Liberty".
39 ADG : Of course, you would know better, ADG. You were there, right? You were there when the intelligence brief was put out, right? I know 2 things Alpha1. I
40 Hepkat : I wouldn't knowingly put my family in that situation, HOWEVER I don't know all the people in the suburb I live in, if Osama Bin Laden lived 5 houses d
41 Post contains images Alpha 1 : I know 2 things Alpha1. I know what i've read from a variety of sources which all contradicts your statements and I know you weren't there. I wasn't?
42 ADG : ignoring the major yarp ... And golly, stop the presses-Hepkat agreed with ADG. Boy, I'm shocked. Did you know something more shocking .. he may agree
43 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Well, seeing that you're rarely right, ADG, I think that says volumns for what Hepkat said.
44 Bravo45 : ISRAEL NEEDS TO STOP BUILDING SETTLEMENTS; ISRAEL NEEDS TO GIVE BACK SOME LAND IN EXCHANGE FOR SECURITY SOME OF THE LAND?????????????????????????? YOU
45 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Bravo-you don't need to yell through your whole post! By "some land", I do mean the occupied territories. Why not just ask me what the hell I meant, i
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