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New High-Speed ICE Track Opened  
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Today the new High-Speed track between Frankfurt and Cologne for the German ICE 3 high-speed train was opened. The first passenger was loaded with 700 celebrities. The first Train reached up to 310 kmh and starting with the 1.8.2002 the Bahn wants to carry 25 Million people per year on the new track - currently on the old but beautiful "Rheintal Strecke" they carry about 12 Million. The new track together with the ICE 3 trains lowers the travelling time from 2:15 to 1:10.



The new-built track contains 88 Bridges, 30 Tunnels, 6000 lights and 300.000 tons of steel.

If you ask me, it's a matter of time until Lufthansa stops the FRA-CGN flights and introduce Airail.

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User currently offlineRolex01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2983 times:

I wonder what that long thing would feel like going up my butt... MmmmmmmMmmMMMMM.

Signed,
Superfly


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Hey they redesigned the nose on those trains.

When I rode the ICE between Stuttgart and Frankfurt the window where more slitlike and squarer.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Yup, right L-188. You rode on an ICE 1 or 2, this is an ICE 3.

I agree O/D flights FRA-CGN will become obsolete, but I´m sure there will remain some connecting traffic.

25 millions passengers, my ass. Putting this train outside the standard fare structure will not attract travellers. This train will steal traffic from LH, but normal people will continue to go on the old track. And the tourists will continue to drive through the Rhine valley to enjoy this UNESCO world heritage site.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Imho the ICE 3 is really a lot better than the older ICE trains. The seats are better and the ride is much quieter and more comfortable. Do you know when the Bahn will introduce the "train attendants" instead of having a restaurant in the trains ?


ICE 1/2 :



ICE 3:



User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

This is something I'm afraid our American friends don't have any experience with - good, high-speed rail transport. I regularly take the TGV and Thalys trains, but haven't tried the ICE yet. It's a neat experience to be flying along at 300 kmh just a few feet off the ground.

Charles


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Nice train but unfortunately it can not fly. Big grin

Patrick


User currently offlineGeneralA From Germany, joined May 2001, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

I have found a nice webpage about the ICE 3 on the internet:

http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/ice/ice3.html

BTW AiRail between CGN and FRA will start in January 2003.

GeneralA


User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2908 times:


As for the connecting flights from CGN, it will be interesting to see how passengers accept the new train (or not).

The STR (ZVS) - FRA airrail was not doing good at all from what I've heard on Flyertalk. People continue to prefer flights, at least on this route which by the way is only a little longer.
Naturally I'd opt for the flight as well  Wink/being sarcastic Also because I basically live right next to the airport and the train station is half an hour away.


User currently offlineAdvancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Hi there,
The new train reminds of the Transrapid.
Kind Regards,
Advanced


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

The Transrapid...  Sad



So sad the Politicans don't realize that they have to build a Transrapid track fast in order to demonstrate the world the abilities of this piece of high-tech - instead they let the chinese steal our technology  Sad


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

I think I like the lines on the older train better.

Not that the new one isn't nice....

Racko....Did your politicains take some lesson from Bill Clinton in regards to the Chinese or what???



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

LH has announced it will stop flying CGN-FRA in 2003/4, after the inevitable teething problems (there is e.g. a lack of railtrack capacity in the Cologne area, where the trains have to run on regional railtracks instead of dedicated ones) will have been overcome. AFAIK, the AIRail product, already offered of the Stuttgart-FRA connection, will also be introduced here, giving LH passengers a service comparable to a LH flight:

- baggage check-in at the train station
- reserved seating
- some kind of onboard service (although, let's face it, there's not much service on domestic LH flights, so there may even be an improvement over the plane)
- baggage transfer from the train to the plane
- a guaranteed MCT of (I think) 45min between train and plane in FRA
- and possibly (later on) baggage transfer on inbound flights in FRA, which means that passengers will receive their luggage on check-out at Cologne airport or train station
- dedicated personal on-board and at the train stations

The replacement of flights by a train service is not so much an issue of gaining additonal slots. Replacing the plane on STR, CGN and NUE (there's talk about this at the moment) -flights will not free more than a couple of slots. With the impending construction of FRA's new runway, which will be completed by 2004, there won't be a lack of slots for a while at the LH hub.
More important is the fact that LH can use its planes on more economical flights elsewhere instead of wasting them on those ultra-short domestic runs.




Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Very impressive! 300 km/h - Wow!

This is something I'm afraid our American friends don't have any experience with - good, high-speed rail transport.
I think the Acela and previous Metroliner are / were quite successful. The Boston-Washington corridor is similar in distance to German domestic rail routes, and as far I know, these services are well patronized.

Outside this corridor, distances are greater and rail travel is less attractive.


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

America would be the perfect country for the Transrapid - it would offer a great alternative to planes by travelling at 500 km/h between the big cities - the distances are ideal for it. But noooooooooooo, instead of building a demonstrator-track between 2 german cities, the politicans prefer letting the chinese steal our technology (/)§(/$&%§(§.  Sad

User currently offlineSydneysider From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Personally I think, the most important improvement on the new track is: You have to book a seat. What means, on the other side, without seat reservation no access. That´ll bring more comfort. This week I took a ICE from NUE to HAJ, and my feelings were: Wow, this must be the fastest MRT-train on earth: So many people standing between the doors etc.! Wasn´t nice, especially if you want to go to the loo!!

Greetings

Christian


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