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Jewish Settlers Deliberately Murder 8yo Girl  
User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Settlers from the illegal Jewish settlements in Hebron went on a killing spree after the funerals of settlers killed in the recent round of tit-for-tat violence. According to reports in the UK media, Israeli troops stood by when the settlers opened fire on an eight year old Palestinian girl who was playing on her balcony.

Another sad, sad day in this troubled land...

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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

The next inevitable step is an outright guerilla war....thusfar suicide bombings by Palestinians have been met with structured military response. Bombings were met with dancing in the street by Palestinians for the simple reason that they did not fear being there.

If you thought the strife in Israel and the Occupied Territories couldn't get any worse, you're wrong. This incident indicates that Israelis are now nulling over playing by Palestinian rules. Everyone and everything is fair game. Enough of leaving retribution to the military, time to take things in their own hands. It is the natural progression of raw hate. I can only imagine the misery it will visit upon the area.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

She was 14, SAS23. But this is a sad, sad story, and those people should be imprisoned for this.

But, also, SAS23, I have to say it again: ONE TRACK MIND!!!!!

You never seem to say anything when the terrorists deliberately murder 15, 20 people at a time.

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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4470 times:
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What sort of people are these jewish settlers, just ordinary people?



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Some are just ordinary people like you and me who live in the settlements because real estate is cheaper, others are very religious Jews who live in the settlements because they believe god left the land for the jewish people.

tnnh


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

What sort of people are these jewish settlers, just ordinary people?

Mostly fanatics, from the West (Europe, U.S., Canada). My friend me a few when he went to Israel and they scared the shit out of him with their views. He's Jewish too...



User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4456 times:
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So i asume they are fanatics too, cos they aren't leaving the place that's not theirs?



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

Unfortunately, Rai is right on this one. There are fantaical people on both sidesd: many of the people in those settlements just want to tweak the noses of Palestinians living in the area. Most of them are from the U.S. and other western nations, who have this fanatical idea of a pan-Israel in the occupied territories.

They are one reason why the settlements in all these areas have to go-because they're a huge detriment to the peace process.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4458 times:
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So what is the Israeli govt doing about this, have they got the right to tell the settlers to move from the ocupied settlements?



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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

So what is the Israeli govt doing about this, have they got the right to tell the settlers to move from the ocupied settlements?

That's a good question, dude. I don't see them doing all that much, especially with the guy in power now. I think it will be a lot worse if (or when) Netanyahu gets elected.


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

I don't understand Neil why you post a thread on a 14 year old murdered by Jews, but not on a 12 year old and his mom and dad murdered by Arabs?

Isn't this story, with 300% more murder more indicative of a "sad, sad day"??



User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

I'm sorry the murdered Jewish kid wasn't even 12, he was 9.

TNNH


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

The government in place right now does not seem to act against settlements, quite the opposite in fact.  Sad They could kick the settlers out, like Sharon himself (under orders) did in Sinai in the early 80's. I imagine it would be somewhat of a typical governmental process however.

LY744.



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4438 times:
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You know i think if the settlers actually moved from the occupied areas, then that would make things a hell of a lot easier, and a step closer to peace. But i somehow think this conflict is not as simple as i am describing it.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

Arsenal:
1) Those are not occupied areas AT ALL. They were liberated from Jordanian occupation in 1967 and 1973. The only reason people call them occupied is to apeace the Arabs so they keep the oil flowing.
2) Those people paid for a house and a piece of land to live. Say you buy a nice plot somewhere in Scotland and a year later some Scotish person in traditional clothes comes up and tells you to leave your home and go because you're on occupied land belonging to his Clan. Do you leave or do you fight it out?
3) If those people leave their homes, nothing will be solved. All it will do is make targetting easier for the PLO and their terrorists as the Jews will be penned up in an even smaller area, making it easier to kill more of them even faster. In a way that's a solution, as without Jews in this world there would be no conflict for a while (until the Islamic fundamentalists arm themselves well enough to take on the rest of the world that is).
4) Why is this a crime and terrorist act yet the bombing of a restaurant in Tel Aviv in which a dozen people (men, women and children) die and scores more are wounded is not?

As long as the Palestinians (led by their unscrupulous leaders) don't stop the violence there will be no end to it. Israel has every right to defend itself, just as the US has a right to defend itself against terrorists as well (and using the same means, massive military force. The US uses it outside its own borders, something the UN does not look kindly on, yet their actions are heralded as being a good thing. If Israel does the same inside their own country the world screams in rage...).
The war on terror is brought home to the PLO, if they don't like that they can easily stop it by stopping their terrorism once and for all (in more than just words, the PLO charter still calls for the destruction of Israel and the elimination of Jews. Within days or hours of every "ceasefire" they go on bombing and shooting).



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User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

Jwenting,

I don't like to participate in these discussions but I have to say that you have seriously crossed the line with what you said in point number 1. Legally and Historically they are still occupied territories.

Israel has a right to defend itself but so do the Palestinians. Look at the facts please. The amount of palestinians killed since september 2000 is 3 times as much as the number of Israelis (incl. Arab Israelis). And also if you look at the death toll along a time line you will find out that during the first 500 deaths or so of palestinians during the conflict the figure was more towards 10 Palestinians to every Israeli and the ratio changes only during the last half of the the conflict and from that you can conclude who caused the most killings.

I cannot understand how killing a child of whatever race, religion or class can really be labeled self defense Jwenting.


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

1) Those are not occupied areas AT ALL. They were liberated from Jordanian occupation in 1967 and 1973. The only reason people call them occupied is to apeace the Arabs so they keep the oil flowing.

Thats not true at all. They are occupied. They were never Israeli and hence never "liberated". Just as Jordan and Egypt occupied the territories, so now is Israel.

2) Those people paid for a house and a piece of land to live.

Actually the Israeli government bared the brunt of the costs. The gov't incented the many thousands of settlers to "settle".

Say you buy a nice plot somewhere in Scotland and a year later some Scotish person in traditional clothes comes up and tells you to leave your home and go because you're on occupied land belonging to his Clan.

Thats not a fare analogy. If this Britishman moved to scotland, brought heavil armed soliders with him and told the Scottish to keep far away from his house and then built roads around Scotland that Scottish couldn't use, that would be a bit fairer analogy.

However, the rest of your post is far more inteligent.

TNNH


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

I cannot understand how killing a child of whatever race, religion or class can really be labeled self defense Jwenting.

Agree entirely.


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Jwenting, the vast majority of settlers didn't buy any land at all. They took the land and built on it as squatters; with some frequency the Israeli government goes in and demolishes the satellite settlements in an effort to appease the international community. However, as the government relies on the votes of the religious parties in the Knesset, they are highly unlikely to demolish the main settlements without international pressure; and both Sharon and Netanyahu have been voiciferous in their support of the settlers. Not only are they an embarassment to many more moderate Israelis (such as LY744), but they cost a huge amount of money to defend with troops and fortifications; and their continued existance has the effect of rubbing salt in the Palestinians' wounds. There have been several agreements to remove them, but in every case the Israelis reneged on the deal. Anyone that buys land or property there is obviously well aware of the situation and the dangers involved ... but it's their choice.

As for your claim that the Occupied Territories were "liberated" from Jordanian control ... well, it's clear you have never seen a map of the land mandated to Israel by the UN in 1948. Here's a Zionist site with plenty of very interesting maps ... and a lot of rather biased commentary. http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/

Alpha 1 - the original report I saw on Channel 5 said that the girl was 8; BBC said 14, but that was after I had made the original post. My apologies for the inaccuracy, but I was merely using the data available to me at the time. I'm not sure what you think is obsessional here ... I have done a quick run through of your posts and my ratio of non-I vs P posts is considerably higher than yours!  Big grin

Incidentally, I found a most interesting article on the interlinked history of Israel and the US from the Christian Science Monitor ... something I trust that our friends in the A.net Zionist lobby won't see as too "anti_semitic"! Big grin  Big grin Amongst other things, it confirms what we have been saying for some time ... that the attacks on America are linked to US assistance to Israel.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1026/p1s1-uspo.html


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Isn't this story, with 300% more murder more indicative of a "sad, sad day"??

Until people on both sides drop the "Yeah, BUT...!" routine like this, only misery awaits.

The longer you get indignant at the death toll, the higher it goes. It's that simple.


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

"moderate Israelis (such as LY744)"

Why thank you, on the "moderate" part anyways. Big grin  Big grin

LY744.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

I have done a quick run through of your posts and my ratio of non-I vs P posts is considerably higher than yours!

Your obsession is so great you have to check that? Jesus. And I wasn't talking about individual posts, SAS23-I'm talking about starting an actual thread on the subject. I think you might find that you're the kingpin of I v P starters, in your never-ending obsession with your hatred for Israel.


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

Twaneedsnohelp - your last post showed you to be far more impartial and rational than I had ever thought before. I am putting you on my respected users list for your intelligence.


Regards


Ryan



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Hmmmm, Alpha 1, dear boy, it's you that's obsessed with obsessional behaviour. Indeed, the only obsessive is yourself. As for who has started the most I vs P threads, that honour goes to your fellow A.net Zionist lobby members. I've already done the sums, but I'll let you do them as well for verification.  Big grin

Nor do I have a "hatred" for Israel as you put it - I merely have a strong desire (shared with many Israelis and Jews, by the way) for fair play for the Palestinians and an end to the murderous acts of the extreme right-wing Likud government.

Incidentally, on the subject of obsessions, are you aware of how obsessive your stalking of people such as ADG, Hepkat and myself is? As a psychologist, I can tell you that it is extremely worrying behaviour.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

How can you stalk somebody on Airliners.net?

25 Lubcha132 : and how many palestinians kill kids?
26 Twaneedsnohelp : As a psychologist, I Your a psychologist??? Haha, the fun never ends! Ryan, thank you for the gesture. Jwenting was way off-base in some of his commen
27 Post contains images SAS23 : Yep, didn't you know?
28 ADG : What sort of people are these jewish settlers, just ordinary people? Obviously not, because this was not ordinary behaviour. Some are just ordinary pe
29 Post contains images ADG : Incidentally, on the subject of obsessions, are you aware of how obsessive your stalking of people such as ADG, I do so love a good stalking What's re
30 Ts-ior : Sorry guys here,but i'm really stuck !!! No comment !!!
31 LY744 : "Jewish Settlers Deliberately Murder 8yo Girl" What happened to Jewish is not necessarily the same as Israeli and all that? "Sorry guys here,but i'm r
32 Avi : SAS23, I guess I won’t be wrong if I assume that the UK media didn’t show what the dead teenager brother said. He said “when they (the funeral p
33 Krushny : Israel has every right to defend itself, Jwenting, does it include lynching mobs?
34 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Hmmmm, Alpha 1, dear boy, it's you that's obsessed with obsessional behaviour. Indeed, the only obsessive is yourself. As for who has started the most
35 Post contains links SAS23 : Here's a pretty unbiased report on the incident. http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=817032002. As well as the 14 yo girl that the settl
36 Ryanb741 : Sas23 - I am not disputing the factual evidence of what has happened - much of what you report is true and I am sure many users understand this. Howev
37 SAS23 : Ryanb741 - absolutely, and I have unequivocably condemned the leaderships of both the Palestinians and the Israelis. Seemingly, neither side really wa
38 Twaneedsnohelp : Not surprisingly, no settlers have been arrested for these outrageous attacks on the children. BULLSHIT. Police have arrested four Jewish Hebron resid
39 Post contains images SAS23 : Hmmmmm, Russell ... would you like to unequivocably denounce these attacks and call for the removal of the settlers and their settlements? We'll judge
40 TWAneedsnohelp : I denounce the attack on the little girl. I said that yesterday in this very thread. See the posting: --------------------- Topic: RE: Jewish Settlers
41 ADG : Throwing stones doesn’t justify a death of anyone but the PA had their contribution to the events. You'd have to wonder how deliberately provocative
42 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Now I can neither confirm or deny this as I don't keep track, but weren't you the person who was firmly put in their place when trying to tell us that
43 SAS23 : Which is better, then, Alpha 1 ... individuals fighting for the liberation of their homeland from an oppressive and murderous regime using stones, mol
44 Post contains links SAS23 : A description of the latest violence by Jewish settlers against the Palestinians in Hebron can be found here. It makes for sober reading ... http://ww
45 ADG : Correct me if I am wrong. But these settlers aren't in Israel are they?
46 Alpha 1 : Which is better, then, Alpha 1 ... individuals fighting for the liberation of their homeland from an oppressive and murderous regime using stones, mol
47 SAS23 : Alpha 1, thank you for your response which clearly demonstrates that you support state terrorism and murder. You are so blind in your obvious hatred o
48 Alpha 1 : Alpha 1, thank you for your response which clearly demonstrates that you support state terrorism and murder. ROTFLMAO! Where did you discern that. I w
49 Twaneedsnohelp : .net Zionist lobby most want to avoid. It's a perfectly valid one ... so would you mind answering it? Which do you think is better - people struggling
50 SAS23 : Hmmmmmm, Russell ... which bit exactly don't you think is relevant in the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians?
51 ADG : You make it sound like, as usual, that the Palestinian terrorists are these saints somehow-and that's just idiotic. What is idiotic is how you can get
52 Twaneedsnohelp : Neil.. which bit exactly don't you think is relevant in the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians? all of it.
53 SAS23 : Hmmmm, Russell ... then I guess that confirms what both ADG and I have been saying all along about you supporters of state terrorism in the A.net Zion
54 Twaneedsnohelp : Do we support a group of murdering terrorists who are trying to remove an oppressor who is destroying their lives It's not a fair question. Israelis a
55 SAS23 : Russell, what's $15m out of $6.7 billion?? If I gave you $20 because you were hungry, would that mean that I agreed with you?
56 Twaneedsnohelp : Look, I agree, Israel shouldn't have given the palestinians shit, not for how they're acting, but Israel felt bad and as it has no intention on destro
57 Alpha 1 : Do we support a group of murdering terrorists who are trying to remove an oppressor who is destroying their lives or do we support a group of murderin
58 SAS23 : Alpha 1, the use of "we" clearly refers to the civilised global community. I note that you do not regard yourself as part of that. There is nothing ci
59 ADG : It's not a fair question. Israelis are hardley murdering terrorists, It sure is a fair question. The ISRAELI military is every bit as violent and murd
60 Alpha 1 : Alpha 1, the use of "we" clearly refers to the civilised global community. I note that you do not regard yourself as part of that. Ah, I get it-now yo
61 Post contains images SAS23 : So there we have it - Alpha 1 clearly does not regard himself as either civilised nor part of the global community. I take it this is the fat lady sin
62 Alpha 1 : So there we have it - Alpha 1 clearly does not regard himself as either civilised nor part of the global community. As usual, you missed the point com
63 SAS23 : Alpha 1, a very poor attempt at spin there. In my previous postings I made it clear that neither side has the apparent will to do anything about makin
64 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Clearly, you don't regard yourself as a peacemaker? Wrong-but unlike you, I'm don't regard my self as a shameless self-promoter as you do. I don't exc
65 Post contains images SAS23 : Alpha 1, you said: I don't excuse and apologieze for terrorists as you do. Wrong, my boy! You excuse the Israeli government of its worst excesses. The
66 Post contains images ADG : but unlike you, I'm don't regard my self as a shameless self-promoter as you do. You may not consider it, but you are and I refer you to your comments
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