Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 950 times:
I put this in a response just now on the civil aviation forum but it might be interesting to see what you think on this forum.
I went surfing recently with some friends down in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. On the Alaska Airlines flight from San Diego they included a Christian prayer with each of the meals. I was offended as was a Jewish buddy with me. Why do they do this? Couldn't they include a non-denominational prayer? I prefer no religious propaganda when I purchase an airline ticket and will never fly Alaska Airlines again. I wish I would have known about this practice ahead of time. I would have flown AeroMexico.
Fanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 905 times:
Since Alaska Airlines is not a government airline, I feel they can do as they want. I respect your jewish friend, but I respect Alaska airlines for making that choice. And as a consumer, you have a choice on which airline to fly. Nobody forces anyone to fly a certain carrier so you are justified in choosing not to fly Alaskan Air next time. If they offerd a jewish prayer and I was on that flight (I am christian), I would feel privledged to expand my horizens and participate. We live in diverse scociety, and we need to learn to accept all belief systems and not be affended by something as simple as a prayer. I guess what I am saying is, Lighten Up!
N766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 899 times:
Alaska certainly does have that right (and I have never seen a prayer included with my meal and I fly them often) and you also have the right to disregard any publications they include. A prayer isn't "religious propaganda".
Christianity is the largest religion in the United States. If I was to fly on a Middle Eastern carrier, I wouldn't be offended by a Muslim prayer, even though I am Christian. Like Fanoftristars said, lighten up... something like that shouldn't be offending to anyone.
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4168 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 895 times:
I have often noted taht people get offended only when a Christian tries to promote his/her religion and say a prayer...yet if a jewish or muslim person tries to do the same..it is ok. If you are going to hold a standard..hold it always. If not..dont hold it.
Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 889 times:
In and Out burger have something printed on the bottom of there cups. A verse or something, and I bet you will still go to In and Out!
But if you flew AeroMexico you would need that prayer that Alaska offered you!
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 883 times:
Iain....no need to AeroMexico-bash....it's a fine airline as is its home country.
I'm a non-believer and prefer that people and businesses keep their religion private and to themselves...no matter what religion it may be. Yes, I avoid In-N-Out, too, when I'm out west and any other businesses that proselitizes (sp?) while I purchase.
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 881 times:
Everyone is free to do whatever they want and if that means holding prayers before a meal then that's ok too...that's what democracy is about, in saudi Arabia when it's prayer time the whole country stops working, by law, and on their airplanes there are prayer rooms, there's nothing wrong with that because it's their religion and because 90% (correct me if I'm wrong) of America is christian then it's only normal to have a prayer. Besides Christians and jews are close, why did it bother you that much?
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29618 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 877 times:
I have to go with everybody else that is trying to tell you to lighten up.
J.H.C. It's the same damm god.
Like you said if it offends you then don't fly them. It's your choice, Just like it is the airlines choice to put that blessing in with the meal. Of course considering some airline food a blessing may be needed in order to consume it.
And like a couple of other people said, For better or worse the U.S. is a predominatly christian country at this point, So an airline doing that here should not be that unexpected. Unexpected would be getting a decent pork dinner on El-AL.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
Crjmech From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 868 times:
------------------------------- I'm a non-believer and prefer that people and businesses keep their religion private and to themselves...no matter what religion it may be. Yes, I avoid In-N-Out, too, when I'm out west and any other businesses that proselitizes (sp?) while I purchase.
By this can I assume that you won't be using U.S. currency to make your purchases? You know, that whole "In God We Trust" thing. My point is this, religion is evident everywhere. Decrying it's every manifestation is ultimately futile. I am not religiously inclined in the slightest and have learned to cope. Find yourself in the middle of a prayer session? Plug in the Walkman, read a book, or be polite (you may very well be in the minority), bow your head and think about something else. There are more important matters that deserve your ire besides having to bear witness to someone else's religious beliefs and practices.
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747sp_rulez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 863 times:
They didn't force you guys to say the prayer. So, you should just ignore the prayer. If they a private carrier, then they have a right to have the prayers. They might have lost a customer for providing the prayer, but I'm sure that they also gain many more customers, who like to say a prayer before their evening meal.
DeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 840 times:
Jewish people believe in the Bible, the Old Testament at least, but they do not believe in the New Testament and they dont believe that Jesus is the Messiah, they don't believe the Messiah has come yet. Christians obviously believe that Jesus is the Messiah and will come again. Thats the major difference between the two religions.
An-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 819 times:
The thing is - there should be no public display of religion. That way everyone is free to worship whatever religion they belong to. It shouldn't be forced on others, and I will never fly Alaska Airlines.
Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
N766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 819 times:
An-225, thank God our Constitution protects us from people like you! People should be able to publicly display just about anything, and that includes religion. The prayer, as the Bicoastal described, was not "forced" onto anyone and could easily be discarded or even ignored... thats a concept! Your post was taken as arrogant and ignorant....
Makes me think even more that people go out of their way to bash religion...
TWFirst, I was going to call him on it, but decided not to...yes you are correct, Christianity is based on Judaism, not the other way around. Good call...
Mbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 809 times:
"Makes me think even more that people go out of their way to bash religion... "
Gee, it makes me think that some people go out of their way to assert their religious beliefs onto other people.
Why does a cabin full of passengers have to be "led" in prayer? Why not allow those passengers who wish to worship to do so on their own? For those people who do not wish to participate in a publicly-led ceremony, how do you suppose it makes them feel?
DG_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 790 times:
First of all, if they want to say a prayer, they can pray all they want to. If they want to hand something out, they can hand it out! It did not hurt you in any matter. Stop crying.
Second of all, Alaska is not a bad airline. Yes, several maintenance procedures were not followed, but most of those were paperwork matters. Every airline has had these minor run-ins with regulation. In fact, Alaska was publicly commended by the industry and the government not to long ago for operating safely for so many years without an accident.
Thirdly, if he was Jewish, why would he care too much?
EIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 777 times:
To repeat, the prayers come out of the Old Testament!
Some people have mentioned that religion is the cause of most of the evils that have occured throughout history. I disagree...religion offers people hope to push on through the most difficult of times of life. People feel a need to explain the unexplainable. The problem, is indeed the lack of tolerance for other people's religions. And, that is exactly what several of you have shown quite clearly on this thread. Certainly you can choose another air carrier if it offends you that much, but America is nation buitl on the concept of respecting and accepting the fact that people are diverse, and share different ideologies.
"Guess Alaska feels they need it, after all the poor maintenance was uncovered at their operation not to mention the crash!!!!"
Alaska has offered these prayers for as long as I can remember. On my most recent flight, I have not seen them.
Alaska has had a few minor maintenance problems, probably no more than other major carriers. Alaska has made changes to address these problems, which are now almost fully implemented. Most Alaska planes that were identified as having mechanical problems never in fact carried passengers, unlike the media has reported. Alaska's maintenance was honored by the Department of Defense in September.
So far, the flight 261 hearings have focused on the fact that Aeroshell 33 grease may have been corrosive to copper and when combined with the prior product, Mobil 28, may have resulting in the increased occurance of jackscrew problems. Alaska had no way of knowing this, as they were told that the products were compatible and they wanted to standardize the grease they used. The jackscrew endplay measurements on N963AS and the inspection intervals were in accordance with Boeing policy, as testified. And, they also stated in 1997 that they had "no objections" to AS switching to the new grease. No other airline was using this supposedly superior product. And yes, the jackscrew did in fact have an adequate amount of grease on it when pulled from the wreckage.
: Surf is a flaming retard.... Bottom line is that these people were NOT hurt, NOT seriously offended, and COULD HAVE downplayed any matter they didn't
: "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel." - Isaiah 7:14 "