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User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

Administrator-

I think it would be a good idea to display the IP number and/or the name of the computer from which a user is posting. I think it would solve the forum's 'multiple identity' problem. Or at least rip the problem's mask off. What I have in mind would look something like this:



If this is an option in the forum's software that can be enabled, I would urge you to do so.

There have been a few heated debates in the past that could have been completely avoided if this simple yet powerful piece of information were publicly revealed. It would stop most false identities. You couldn't post under two different identities in the same session and claim that the separate identities are actually separate people and get away with it. Sure, there are ways to get around this if you are hell bent on owning a false identity, but for most it is impractical.

The only trump to this that I see is privacy and security. As for me, I could care less if anyone knows who I am or where I live or what computer(s) I use. But I could see someone not wanting to contribute privileged information to the forum for the fear that their identity might be traced or that they may face retribution for something they post. Then again, if it were that sensitive, the forum could be urged to reveal the ip of the poster anyway. Another valid concern is if someone feared harassment that could be brought on by their ip becoming public, like if I had been claiming all along to live in New York City for privacy reasons and then it would suddenly become known that since most of my posts are from uiowa, I am from Iowa City. Or if someone claimed to work for one company, but all their posts come from another company's domain. Especially if it were from a long time and highly respected user. Maybe some would just not want everyone to know where they work (if that is where they are posting from).

In general though, the internet is not a private and secure place. If you send someone an e-mail, even with a bogus hotmail or yahoo mail account, YOUR ip is still stuck in the full headers of the message. It's very hard for the layperson to remain anonymous. If you visit web pages, your ip is tracked. That's just the way things are.

Perhaps each user could choose whether or not their ip is revealed. Make it an option in the user profile? Or perhaps if you had a special reason for not wanting to reveal your IP(s) you could ask the administrators to not show it? Or better yet, not show the IP depending on what/where it is, like "Don't show my ip if it is from the domain abc123.com because that when I'm at work but all other times I don't care." It's hard for me to say because I don't know what is and isn't possible.

In the end I think that everyone's IP should be revealed with exceptions made in special cases where the user could convince the administrator that they have a good reason for keeping their ip private.

mls515

P.S. And of course I'm interested in what other users think as well.  

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User currently offlineZanadou From South Korea, joined Nov 2000, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

Heh.... Admin could always have all this infomation shown like in this page: http://privacy.net/analyze/ 

--->Zanadou!  


User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

I can easily, if I wanted to, surf the net anonymously. Then no-one would know my IP address. All it takes is a program called Anonymiser.

As to faking your IP address in emails...there are very simple ways around this....just look at the amount of spam one receives, which have fake IPs. There are plenty of programs available which will allow you to do this.


User currently offline747sp_rulez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

That's the advantage and disadvantage of the net - you can be anybody you want to be. It's a faceless form of communication. I could be a 98 year old woman if I wanted to be! 

BTW...Zanadou, where did you get your username from? It's V cool!  


Tom  
http://www.geocities.com/airfreak48


She rulez the world!


User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

Brissie Lions-

True, but wouldn't it be fun to see novices try to get away with it?


mls515


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

A lot of forums these days do have the IP numbers somewhere on a post. But as Scotty says it's easy for people to manipulate them with programs etc etc.

But they are an easy way to track people down I guess. As I discovered recently in my own search.

More to the point though, admin obviously has the capability to do this and I bet that is how they ban people appropriately for continuous unsavoury posts.

There is also the problem of disclosing to much personal information on a website that may lead to abuse by hackers etc with spam mail and viruses.

That is a known fact, completely why I would never give my work e-mail out to people here.

But what next? Do you ban people who use a "privacy shield"? That's like the gun debate a bit isn't it?

lol

mb (*cheers*)


User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

Did you figure out who sent you that nasty e-mail? Hope so. That wasn't called for.


mls515


User currently offline747sp_rulez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

Did you also get a nasty email from someone, Mx5_boy? I got one about 2 months back asking if I enjoyed living down in bumfuckville South Africa. He also said that Virgin Atlantic was a crap airline, and that I was stupid to support them. He could only be from airliners.net as no one else knows that I love VS, other than a.net ppl.

I wrote back and I gave him the addy of this site...http://www.gal.co.za which stands for "Get a life! Some people are just weird.


Tom  
http://www.geocities.com/airfreak48


She rulez the world!


User currently offlineZanadou From South Korea, joined Nov 2000, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

Mx5 and other's, tell me an IP address and I'll tell you all about it.

747sp .... what's so cool about it? 

--->Zanadou!  


User currently offlineZanadou From South Korea, joined Nov 2000, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

For example:

Tracing: 205.244.162.46
Date: 12-12-2000
Start Time: 12:21:07.46a

-- NetBIOS QUERY RESULTS --

Host not found.

-- NSLOOKUP QUERY RESULTS --

Query type: PTR IP: 205.244.162.46
Server: ns2.netsol.com
Address: 198.17.208.71

46.162.244.205.in-addr.arpa name = uida1-46.inav.uiowa.net
162.244.205.in-addr.arpa nameserver = maestro.inav.net
162.244.205.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns2.inav.net
maestro.inav.net internet address = 64.6.64.1
ns2.inav.net internet address = 64.6.64.2

Query type: ANY Name: uida1-46.inav.uiowa.net
Server: ns2.netsol.com
Address: 198.17.208.71

uida1-46.inav.uiowa.net internet address = 205.244.162.46
inav.uiowa.net nameserver = ns1.inav.net
inav.uiowa.net nameserver = ns2.inav.net
inav.uiowa.net nameserver = hera.ia.net
inav.uiowa.net nameserver = dns1.uiowa.edu
inav.uiowa.net nameserver = dns2.uiowa.edu
inav.uiowa.net nameserver = dns3.uiowa.edu
ns1.inav.net internet address = 64.6.64.1
ns2.inav.net internet address = 64.6.64.2
hera.ia.net internet address = 205.160.208.35
dns1.uiowa.edu internet address = 128.255.1.3
dns1.uiowa.edu internet address = 128.255.64.3
dns2.uiowa.edu internet address = 128.255.64.11
dns2.uiowa.edu internet address = 128.255.104.4
dns3.uiowa.edu internet address = 128.255.1.8
dns3.uiowa.edu internet address = 128.255.64.5


-- DOMAIN NAME RECORD QUERY RESULTS --

Registrant:
University of Iowa (UIOWA3-DOM)
Lindquist Center
Iowa City, IA 52242 US

Domain Name: UIOWA.NET

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
Ford, Jay (JF134) jay-ford@UIOWA.EDU
University of Iowa
Weeg Computing Center
Iowa City, IA 52242
(319) 335-5555

Record last updated on 29-Nov-2000.
Record expires on 07-Nov-2002.
Record created on 06-Nov-1996.
Database last updated on 11-Dec-2000 00:18:26 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

DNS1.UIOWA.EDU 128.255.1.3, 128.255.64.3
DNS2.UIOWA.EDU 128.255.64.11
DNS3.UIOWA.EDU 128.255.1.8 128.255.64.5



-- ARIN WHOIS QUERY RESULTS --

US Sprint (NETBLK-SPRINT-BLKF)
13221 Woodland Pk. Rd
Herndon, VA 22071

Netname: SPRINT-BLKF
Netblock: 205.240.0.0 - 205.247.255.0
Maintainer: SPRN

Coordinator:
12490 SunriseValley Drive (SPRINT-NOC-ARIN) NOC@SPRINT.NET
800-232-6895Fax- 703-478-5471

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

NS1-AUTH.SPRINTLINK.NET 206.228.179.10
NS2-AUTH.SPRINTLINK.NET 144.228.254.10
NS3-AUTH.SPRINTLINK.NET 144.228.255.10

ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE

Record last updated on 21-Aug-1995.
Database last updated on 11-Dec-2000 06:20:56 EDT.

----------

Geoffrey's Inc (NETBLK-SPRINT-CDF4A7)
3417 Center Point Rd
Cedar Rapids, IA 52402
US

Netname: SPRINT-CDF4A7
Netblock: 205.244.160.0 - 205.244.167.0

Coordinator:
Geoff, Lohff (LG146-ARIN) [No mailbox]
3193931095

Record last updated on 03-Jul-1995.
Database last updated on 11-Dec-2000 06:20:56 EDT.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.


----------

....another interesting one is:

----------


Tracing: www.airliners.net 130.240.192.52
Date: 12-12-2000
Start Time: 12:29:23.43a

-- NetBIOS QUERY RESULTS --

Host not found.

-- NSLOOKUP QUERY RESULTS --

Query type: PTR IP: 130.240.192.52
Server: ns2.netsol.com
Address: 198.17.208.71

Non-authoritative answer:
52.192.240.130.in-addr.arpa name = defiance.campus.luth.se

Authoritative answers can be found from:
192.240.130.in-addr.arpa nameserver = lunic.luth.se
192.240.130.in-addr.arpa nameserver = eru.mt.luth.se
lunic.luth.se internet address = 130.240.19.2

Query type: ANY Name: www.airliners.net
Server: ns2.netsol.com
Address: 198.17.208.71

Non-authoritative answer:
www.airliners.net canonical name = airliners.net

Authoritative answers can be found from:
airliners.net nameserver = NS1.BASISTECH.COM
airliners.net nameserver = NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM
airliners.net nameserver = NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM
NS1.BASISTECH.COM internet address = 199.88.205.10
NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM internet address = 205.166.226.38
NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM internet address = 204.1.217.148

Query type: A Name: airliners.net
Server: ns2.netsol.com
Address: 198.17.208.71

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: airliners.net
Address: 130.240.192.52



Query type: ANY Name: airliners.net
Server: ns2.netsol.com
Address: 198.17.208.71

Non-authoritative answer:
airliners.net nameserver = NS1.BASISTECH.COM
airliners.net nameserver = NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM
airliners.net nameserver = NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM
airliners.net internet address = 130.240.192.52

Authoritative answers can be found from:
airliners.net nameserver = NS1.BASISTECH.COM
airliners.net nameserver = NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM
airliners.net nameserver = NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM
NS1.BASISTECH.COM internet address = 199.88.205.10
NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM internet address = 205.166.226.38
NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM internet address = 204.1.217.148



-- DOMAIN NAME RECORD QUERY RESULTS --

Registrant:
Airliners (AIRLINERS3-DOM)
Karhusvagen 5 2208 97754 Lulea
Lulea, 977 54
SE

Domain Name: AIRLINERS.NET

Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
Lundgren, Johan (JL4442) texas@LUDD.LUTH.SE
Airliners.net
Karhusvagen 5 2:208
Lulea
977 54
SE
+46 (0)920 879 63 (FAX) +46 (0)920 406 941
Technical Contact:
The Public DNS (DT145-ORG) soa-nic@GRANITECANYON.COM
Granite Canyon Group
6940 N. Academy Blvd. #412
Colorado Springs, CO 80918
US
+1-408-273-6098 Fax- +1-408-273-6098 Fax- - +1-408-273-6098

Record last updated on 13-May-2000.
Record expires on 24-May-2001.
Record created on 23-May-1997.
Database last updated on 11-Dec-2000 00:26:37 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM 205.166.226.38
NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM 204.1.217.148
NS1.BASISTECH.COM 199.88.205.10



-- ARIN WHOIS QUERY RESULTS --

University of Lulea (NET-LUTHNET)
Computer Centre
Lulea, 97187
SE

Netname: LUTHNET
Netnumber: 130.240.0.0

Coordinator:
Lulea University of Technology (ZL34-ARIN) abuse@luth.se
+46 920 91262

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

LUNIC.LUTH.SE 130.240.19.2
ERU.MT.LUTH.SE 130.240.1.1

Record last updated on 30-Aug-2000.
Database last updated on 11-Dec-2000 06:20:56 EDT.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.


So now we know that our beloved airliners.net is hosted at the Lulea University of Technology in Lulea, Sweden. 

Easy, huh?

--->Zanadou!  


User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

Zanadou-

There's a little statement at the bottom of the www.airliners.net main page that says "Airliners.net is hosted at Luleå University of Technology" There's no secrets around here!  


mls515


User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1183 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
DATABASE EDITOR

there is no point in logging IP address, you can always get to an "annonymous" computer - eg. guest modem entrances on some ISP's, Internet kiosks (I don't know how widespread these are - but the concept is simmilar to annonymous GSM - buy a card - get calling time)


When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward...
User currently offlineAdministrator From Sweden, joined May 1999, 3251 posts.
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1190 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
SITE ADMIN

We do log IP addresses and those are used when we encounter irritating and destructive users that don't understand "go away". The time and date a particular IP number was used is sent to the ISP who owns the address and the user can be traced (in most cases). We've been forced to do that a couple of times.

I don't think it's a good idea to make the IP address of users public though, at least not for now. Yes, the people who register more than one user can be revealed but I can do that without making the IP public. I think it's an integrity issue. You all have the option to have your real name and email address hidden from other users and that should apply to the IP as well.

Regards,
Johan Lundgren
Editor Airliners.net



Working on the site from morning 'till night that's livin' alright (1997-2007)
User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

I object to this idea because it leaves users with static IPs open to various security threats.

User currently offlineAa737 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1136 times:

I don't know that much about the hole IP adress business, but I was wondering what would happen if someone uses different computers when they post. Sometimes I will make a post from one of the computers at my school, and other times I will use my computer at home or my Dad's laptop. I would assume these all have different IPs so you couldn't just trace me down to a single computer.

Some one want to explain further for me?


User currently offlineSKYTEAM From France, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1133 times:

Johan, I totally agree with you.

SKYTEAM


User currently offlinePacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1117 times:

I might be responsible for crashing the school computer network if some unruly people got to know the IP. Most of my posts are typed at school

Pacific


User currently offlineZanadou From South Korea, joined Nov 2000, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1100 times:

For you academic users (and some ISP users) I wouldn't worry as most likey all that you would see would be your proxy server's IP/DNS.

--->Zanadou!  


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

Oh brother...not again....
I know that this post was started with the noblest of intentions....but that could pave the way to opening up a lot more problems than it would solve. I mean...posting the IP number. Why stop there? As stated above, there are numerous workarounds to that. So would it really be effective? Why stop there? I mean why not post our full names, addresses, and Social Security numbers as well?
I totally agree with Johan.

Plus, what about some people such as myself that make occasional posts from multiple computers, but use the same user name?


User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1082 times:

I don't think people understand. It's a non-issue for current well behaved members. Who cares if you post from multiple locations. People would see that sometimes you post from here and sometimes you post from there and it wouldn't be a big deal. I post from home (uiowa.net or inav.net), school (uiowa.edu), the public library (iowa-city.lib.ia.us), etc.. Who cares that they're different? People would see the pattern. It's all consistent with who I am and where I live. Where it would be a big deal is if people could see that, for example, sas23, lawyergal, and celdih (sp?) were at the same location or at least the same domain when they post. True, this can be masked but who cares. It would deter people who don't know how to do that from pulling sh*t like that.

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