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Clinton--I'm Glad He's Gone!  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6439 posts, RR: 17
Posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

I am so glad that Bill Clinton is no longer president. Look what his administration brought us:

Soaring stock market, record airline profits, low unemployment, low inflation, budget surplus

WHO NEEDS THAT CRAP???!!!


We're much better off now:

War, terror threats, plummeting stock market, record airline losses, unemployment up, budget surplus GONE

HERE"S TO BUSH!!!


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Yeah, CLinton was so great that all his economic theories started falling apart before he left office. He never captured Osama, the stock market and economy was well on its way to recession as of the summer of 2000, airlines started suffering their first losses then.

Nice informative post 727Lover. You know a lot about history, economics and civics!


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

Yes, and GW Bush is going to save us from all of that !!

If your notions of economic theories and history are correct, deltaflyertoo, then Reagan should be blamed for the runaway inflation, budget deficits and the rise of Saddam Hussein and anti-Americanism all over the Middle East.

What goes for the Goose goes for the Gander, I say.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6439 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Deltaflyertoo, you're right: I DO KNOW ABOUT HISTORY, ECONOMICS & CIVICS

Everything I printed was T R U T H


On Osama, gee maybe if he would have captured Osama, but he was too busy defending his sex life. Attacks on US embassies were in summer 1998, but HEY! Congress was more concerned about investigating the Comm. in Chief!
 Innocent

Gee, the 95% of the time he was Prez, we had everything I listed above.



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

Obviously you know very little about which you speak. It takes years for a President's policies to effect the economy. If anyone is to blame for the current problems with the economy, it is bin Laden for forcing us to increase defense spending and Klintoon because his economic policies are finally catching up with us.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6439 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Therefore, the last recession in the early 90's would be Reagan's, right?

I'm logging off now, you guys say all the CRAP you want......bye......



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

I find it amusing how republicans find ways to link all of our nations problems to Clinton. According to the republicans, 9/11 is Clinton's fault because he didn't capture Bin Laden, the recession is his fault (even though Dubya blew away our surplus). You guys never cease to amuse me. Well, I've got news for you. The economy sucks, our surplus is gone, and the whole Bush administration has ties to the Enron scandall, which makes Clinton's blowjob look like nothing at all. Dubya's going to have a tough time getting relected in 2004.

User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

Suplus- There should never be a Surplus. And when there is one then the money must be returned to the people who paid it. Evenly by the amount that they paid in.

It is proven fact that econimic policies take years to come into effect. The powerful ecnomy that Clinton had was because of the tax cut that Reagan was able to get though. And one of the reason that it took so long to take effect was because at the time he had to get it though the Democrats, and the only way to do that was a long term tax cut plan. Which took effect, during Clintons presidency.

Now while Clinton was in the office, he pormised all these social programs. But with the taxes being cut there was only two ways to get it done, raise taxes, and make cuts in the military. That is what he did, that thus put us in the postion that we are in now.

The ression in the early 90's can be linked to Carter, and the fact that Reagan couldn't get any sort of immediate tax cut in place. Bush W on the other was and the economy is slowly imporving. Also the Stock market shouldn't be a factor of the ecnomy postion (nor should the airlines be), in the past one thing has proven to be a reliable indicator of economic improvement. Durable goods and house building. When those are up the others are sure to improve.

The reason why Bin Bin wasn't captured (or detected for that matter) is because of cuts to the budgets to the CIA and the NSA (before Clinton came to office the NSA, No Such Agency [Note: For those that don't know it is actually National Security Agency] Big grin was able to stay secret, but because of Clinton's cuts the NSA had to come out in the open to the people to ask for money). If the CIA has been allowed to continue its human intellgence assests (which during Clintons years were at all time lows) we might (might being the operative word) have been able to stop 9/11, or at least been able to capture Bin Bin more easily.

Oh god the investigation again. Personally I don't care who the POTUS is doing, but in the end he lied to a Grand Jury, that is a crime and as such should be prosecuted.

Inflation and the economy is not something that the POTUS has any real control over. He can't just say get better and it will. Instead he can put laws into to effect that might influence, but he has little control what so ever over what happen. Alan Greenspan, has much more control over the economy, but even his control, is once again more like whispering in their ear than anything else.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

I say that the good economy was more or less a fluke. Somehow, conditions were perfect for a huge stock market gain and a rise in productivity. I'm not giving any president credit for that.

I will say that Clinton did NOT:
-Piss away the surplus.
-Fray diplomatic relations with several countries.
-Long for the glory days when he would be able to say "This is wartime, do as I say!"
-Create citizen soldiers to spy on other Americans (TIPS).
-Make library records accessable to the Federal government.
-Keep what our government is doing in the dark.
-Attempt to destroy North and South Korean relations.
-Let pass a move to install Whale killing sonar on US naval vessels.
-Relax EPA air pollution standards for manufacturing facilities.
-Allow Congress to store Nuclear waste in Yucca Mountain, Nev.
-Say repeatedly how much easier things would be if he were a dictator.

Guess who did.

Since when the hell did Americanism become some kind of religion?



Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Best president to date.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Clinton brought shame to the Office and the country. Perhaps an inspiration to corporate criminals who thought they could get away with scandal just like Clinton did. The economy was in decline before Bush took office and 9/11 didn't help which would've happened if Gore or Bush was president.


Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

I liked Clinton better than Bush.

User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

Shame? His personal life is none of your business. And let's not forget which party corporate CEO's give their millions to. If anything, the Democrats protect consumers, or at least they would have, if Republicans hadn't put the brakes on every piece of legislation which would have stopped accounting fraud.

Face it, you have no argument. Clinton was the best.



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Come on guys, economies are cyclical. A boom like the one in the 90's was bound to go bust eventually.

Why did the economy boom all through the 1990s, while Clinton was in office?

There are a number of reasons. One of the biggest ones is that the computer and software industry finally came into play, full swing. Before Windows, computers were for secretaries, some number crunchers and some engineers. There were also some home uses, but not that much. Most PC's were high priced 'originals' like IBM and Apple. With the launch of Windows, leading to the increasing availability of inexpensive computers through clone manufacturers like Dell, Compaq and Gateway, huge portions of the U.S. population finally got computers, bought lots of software and learned to use them in order to accelerate their work productivity. This provided a quantum boost to the economy.

Then in the early-mid 90s, something new came up - Internet. Another quantum leap in the computer-related industry which led to entire new business sectors to be born, including the likes of Amazon. All these companies started to do IPOs, and flush with cash, created more jobs, built beautiful houses for themselves (employing the construction industry and roadbuilding to connect them, etc etc. ) Internet increased the usage of the telephone system many times over, and pushed communications companies to invest in finding faster ways of transferring data. E-mail provided another jump in productivity.

This post just barely touches the very tip of the iceberg in what has been an incredible decade of economic change. The last time something like this happened was the advent of common air transportation and direct-dial phones in the 50's (in the U.S. anyway.)

All these huge increases in business result in increased corporate revenue (and employment), which lead to increased tax collection, which leads to budget surpluses, and the high employment lowers the need for lots and lots of unemployment and welfare checks.

In short, the economic boom of the 90's.

What did Clinton-Gore do to cause this economic powerhouse decade? Zero. Zilch. They just happened to be lucky enough to be in office at the time and reap the benefits. They were lucky to have a guy like Greenspan who could deal with the incredible monetary growth needed to keep up with the nation's newly found capacity. And they were lucky to have had the Reagan-Bush years to follow, where the sound, pro-business environment was once again established, enabling private enterprise to come up with all these wonderful toys we now wonder how we could have ever done without.

However, we now know that the "New Economy" of the 90's was in large part a mirage. PE ratios of 100-to-1, even 1000-to-1 were common (Microsoft is now trading at a PE of around 30 to 35, having dropped from astronomical levels. I consider this still to be a little high, but not too bad).

The U.S. economy was hit by the equivalent of a boxing 1-2-3 combination. One was the cyclical downturn which, as was mentioned before, started during Clinton's presidency. Two was the 9/11 attacks. As much as I despise Clinton, I don't see how you can pin that one on him. Three, and probably the most damaging of all, were the corporate accounting scandals, starting with Enron. One and Two hurt the economy, which however still had a solid base. This solid base collapsed when investors realized that "audited" financials were not so trustworthy after all.

People foolishly believed that this was sustainable, even a necessity to the point that shareholders insisted on absurd targets that their managements had to meet, by hook or by crook, or loose their jobs.

Here is one issue where I feel that the Clinton Administration truly failed in their duty. During these booming 90's, when the dynamics of the market were changing due to internet trading, new industries were going through the roof, CEO salaries were being increasingly tied to "performance" through options, etc. etc., Clinton SHOULD have told the SEC to become ever more vigilant to abuse, and should have pursued legislation to ensure that growth was based upon the same valid, trustworthy basis as were applicable before. Instead, he chose to ignore the potential problems, and instead basked in the results of the boom. Clinton truly dropped the ball here.

The stock market is the biggest driver of the U.S. economy, and what drives it is the faith of investors in a company's statements. Auditors were instituted generations ago in order to ensure their reliability. Without this faith, people would not give their money to a company - they would probably feel safer stuffing it under the mattress. This effectively withdraws the money from circulation. Investing means the money stays in circulation, being used to pay salaries, buy new equipment, develop new technologies, etc. That faith MUST be restored as rapidly as possible.

The SEC and the current administration must continue, and accelerate their policy of arresting and imprisoning the leaders of those corporations which falsified their books. They should also imprison the heads of the auditing firms which do the same. Laws should be put in place that make the CEO, CFO, Controller, and even members of the board (perhaps) criminally responsible for what goes on in the company, even if they were "not informed". Same goes for the CEO of Arthur Andersen. It upsets me that he is walking free, and passed the blame on a junior auditor. HE was the boss, and therefore HE is responsible for creating the corporate environment that told this junior guy that the contract was more important than the auditor's integrity.

The last part of my rant: People complain that the "budget surplus" is gone.

What is a budget? It is an estimate of receipts and expenditures. In 1999-2000, just before the economy started going belly-up, Clinton-Gore put forward these projections, based on the "mirage economy" which showed sky-high revenues, and therefore surpluses, from taxes on high corporate profits, which in turn paid good salaries and kept people out of unemployment lines. The "surplus" beyond 2000 was never there to begin with, therefore it was never lost. It was a fiction based on wishful thinking that the boom would last forever.



Charles


User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

No matter what Clinton may have done (and we all know he had his faults), I was never ashamed of him. I AM ashamed of our current (intellectually and morally challenged) president.

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

PHX-LJU

If you are not ashamed at a man who lies under oath, I suggest you relook at your values.

Charles


User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Cfalk,

Clinton's lying, while a serious matter, pales in comparison to the damage George W. Bush has done to our country, IMHO.


User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

By the way the president does not set the budget; the congress does. The congress is almost even, and is leaning toward the democrat side.

User currently offlineLortab 7.5mg From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 805 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

PHX-LJU

Shame on you! Having sex with an intern is a lot worse than alleged insider trading and other unethical business dealings at Harkin Energy and Haliburton.  Big grin Big grin


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Now I don't buy that. The Republicans railroaded him. It NEVER should have gone as far as a Grand Jury. Believe it or not, his personal life was not any of your concern.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

By the way, my last post was to Cfalk. Gosh this thread is growing fast!


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Lortab,

A SEC investigator (which in that case has a die hard dem) cleared both Cheny and Bush W of all wrong doing almost 10 years ago.

This is about as useful as digging up his DUI (which was in his twenties and has no bearing on the Presidency).



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Amazing how all the DemoRats have to bring up things long before Bush was President. Klintoon, WHILE HE WAS President, was getting BJ's in the Oral office, lying under oath and to the American people and had a chance to have bin Laden turned over to the U.S. by Sudan but refused for some unknown reason.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineLortab 7.5mg From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 805 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Really, that was over 10 years ago? I presume that would've been under George W. Bush's SEC. Definitely no conflict of interest there.  Big grin

I believe Haliburton was during Cheney's leadership which wasn't very long ago.


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

the DemoRats

Well that makes you sound credible. Going to call them "poopy heads", too?



Dear moderators: No.
25 PPGMD : The SEC operates seperate of the President. All the adminstartion can do is the name the adminstrator. The rest is what comes, like I said the investi
26 Donder10 : Why did the whole Clinton saga go as far as it did in terms of Congress/Senate?
27 Post contains images Flight152 : oh yes, Clinton was a terrbible President. -Under his leadership, the United States has enjoyed the strongest economy in a generation and the longest
28 Cfalk : -Under his leadership, the United States has enjoyed the strongest economy in a generation and the longest economic expansion in U.S. history Read my
29 Lortab 7.5mg : I guess we're better off today than four years ago.
30 We're Nuts : Cfalk made a point, but not the one he was hoping for. Presidents really don't do all that much! In the end, all you can fight about are their morals,
31 JetService : The Interet boom of the 90s made life easy for all involved. A strong economy and automatic surpluses (over-taxation). But Bush has some real challeng
32 PPGMD : Charles are you an American Citizen living aboard. Because if you aren't you sure know alot more than most about American poltices and economics. You
33 NormalSpeed : Guys, guys... Clinton can't take credit for any of those things, and Bush can't be blamed. The reason? No president has that kind of control over the
34 Boeing4ever : Clinton: The pot-smoking, lying, loser, who can take no credit for the economy other than the fact that HE destroyed it! If HE had captured Osama, we
35 We're Nuts : But do you have an actual argument, B4e? All you've spewed so far is anti-Clinton propoganda. But then again, I wouldn't expect anything mature from y
36 Post contains images Lortab 7.5mg : Bill, gone but not forgotten. A retrospective:
37 Boeing4ever : But do you have an actual argument, B4e? All you've spewed so far is anti-Clinton propoganda. But then again, I wouldn't expect anything mature from y
38 We're Nuts : Why didn't Bush Sr. get bin Laden, huh? And while we're talking about the Bush's, why didn't GW? He had a whole year! Maybe he should have made taking
39 Boeing4ever : Did Bin Bin count as a threat during Bush Sr's term? No! Bin Bin declared his war on America when Clinton was at the helm. As for GW...let's see you g
40 We're Nuts : Do you have a transcript of his refusal?
41 Heavymetal : The man is either truly loved or truly hated.... That indicates to me he actually did something. Whether you applaud or despise him for it, at least h
42 NormalSpeed : "George W. Bush is truly......."whatever." My prediction is that history will judge him as his father.....an unremarkable." You are probably right. Th
43 Post contains links Boeing4ever : Do you have a transcript of his refusal? Here, look at this... http://www.msnbc.com/news/684869.asp And in this article: To some extent, the Khartoum
44 Post contains images Dripstick : I kinda miss Bubba. He was a real stand-up kind of guy.
45 We're Nuts : Dripstick, you do know that probably isn't what you think it is, right? B4e, I have no problem admitting that if Clinton failed to get OBL, then he di
46 GRZ-AIR : If you compare Clinton with Bush...last named is a complete jerk. It wont be long until Bush will be fighting his dad's never won war against Hussein
47 American_4275 : Bush's efforts towards the Middle East are deplorable. His efforts are minimal and his administration is being yanked by a leash carried by Ariel Shar
48 L-188 : I agree with the poster. Frankly I found the Clinton admistration as annoying as having to type this line to provide enough filler to make sure that t
49 GD727 : Clinton, a good president? Please! Clinton did nothing while he was in office except cheat on his wife and eat cheeseburgers! Also, guess who made the
50 Post contains images 727LOVER : Hey GD727, it's spelled EXCELLENT not EXCELLANT. Guess you are definitely in the GW column for spelling I agree, G.W. has handled 9/11 well, as would
51 Jaysit : ... he has handled 9/11 well, not 9/11 good. (Assuming that were true). Guess like-minds think alike. The U.S. Presidency is an institution. It is no
52 Post contains images GD727 : 727LOVER: Yes, you are entitled to your opinion and are free to express it, I was just expressing mine. Jaysit: Oh yea, I'm a dumbass because my spell
53 We're Nuts : It's nice to be able to read opinions before trying to shoot them down.
54 Post contains images 727LOVER : Gee GD727, I noticed you took me off your respected users list! WEEP, WEEP What, you can't separate the politics in me from the airplane lover in me.
55 GD727 : 727LOVER: Something got screwed up when I was trying to add a new user to my repsected user list, everybody except one person was deleted, I still res
56 Post contains images 727LOVER : Oh, OK GD727, I respect you too. People just have different views on things. But in the end, AVIATION brings us T O G E T H E R !!!!!! The people that
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