NDSchu777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 419 posts, RR: 3 Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2297 times:
I've been wondering what people that live in the State of New York, think about Hillary Clinton as their Senator.
Is she doing a good job at putting New York's interests first and doing good at representing the people of your state in Congress?
Or do you feel that she is very out of touch with your state after never living there and is using New York's seat in the Senate just to further her own political ambitions and is not truly working for the state in which she's supposed to represent?
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2291 times:
I will be honest. I don't hear much of anything that Hillary does. I do take offense though, that she came to NY for a Senate Spot. I do believe he is out of touch, not just because she never lived here, but because she went to a powerful state, that has a Democrat majority, so she can further her political career. She may do some good things while in office, but for the reasons she ran, she will never do the job she should be doing...for the people of New York State.
VirginLover From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 958 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2268 times:
Hmm...well, I was co-chair of "Humanities Speakers" where we asked important NY government figures to come and speak to our AP and Humanities classes in the 11th and 12th grades. Senator Schumer didn't come, but he sent a representative and a letter. Senator Clinton? Absolutely nothing. It might not seem like a big deal, but it was to us. As it still says on bumper stickers here, "Go Home Hillary!"
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16564 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2225 times:
I think the crowd's reaction to her at the 9-11 tribute concert held at MSG explains what "real" NY's think of her.
In case folks don't remeber she was booed loudly off the stage by the crowd of families and co-workers of those lost in the 9-11 attacks.
I think Giulianni would have defeated her had he in fact gone ahead with his Senate campaign, but alas I truely believe it was an act of God unfortunatley gave him Prostate cancer which was terribly painfull to go through but it also made him cancel the Senate campaign and remain NYC Mayor which he was on September 11th. That day and the days following the world saw his leadership ability, and leaders from President Jaques Chirac to even the Rev Al Sharpton had to admit the guy did a great job leading.
As a former Political Science Major I will make a couple of predictions, Hillary Clinton loses her Senate seat to Governor Pataki when it's up in ('06 ?) and Rudy Giulianni will run for President in '08.
Rudy Giulianni may also join the Bush administration in some way to help Bush get re-elected in '04, either VP or Head of Homeland security.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2189 times:
I thought that 56% of "real" New Yorkers voted for her.
Unless, they weren't real New Yorkers, but "fake" New Yorkers. You know, the kind who live in New York City and vote for liberals.
Or unless "Real" New Yorkers are composed of the minority of the bunch of loud, obnoxious drunks who booed her down at the 9-11 Concert. And no, she was not booed off the stage by the "families of those who lost loved ones on 9-11." Get your ludicrous facts straight.
Jayhup From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 450 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2188 times:
I count the days until her trip into obscurity......
Seriously though....for all of you out there who have daughters....would you really like your daughter to emulate Hillary Clinton? She has stood by an adulterous husband time and time again and then blamed it on some vast right wing conspiracy! She has allowed her daughter to be in a household with a man who sexually harasses women in his place of employment and compromises the safety and security of our country by fooling around with an intern in the Oval Office. If you don't think that could have been used as blackmail against him then you are the same person who believes that Hillary has NY'ers best interest at heart.
I for one would tell me daughter that she is exactly the person not to model your life after! Going to law school is great and so is running for the Senate but being the yes woman to that slug of a husband just so she can gain power is utterly disgusting.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2180 times:
You have a point Jayhup.
I would want my daughter to emulate Laura Bush. A woman who went to library school (i.e. received a MRS degree), married a coke snorting Daddy's boy, and raised two drunk party girls.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
I thought that 56% of "real" New Yorkers voted for her.
Jaysit. Good point, and before I go on, your cheap insults at Bush will only go on to draw out the draft dodging weed smoking crackbacks about Billy. Even I didn't sling any insults like that, lets try and keep this somewhat peaceful.
Now, I will admit I didn't exactly agree with the "real New Yorkers" part of STT757's post, but I understood his point. New York has a democratic majority. That is why she came here to run for Senate. That is why she won.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2163 times:
Call a spade a spade.
Hillary is a carpet bagger. But she won. And she's still popular. And she raised an accomplished child in the face of intense scrutiny, scandal and hatred and invectives directed at both her and her daughter by the likes of the Rush limbergers of the world.
Bill probably inhaled more than once. Is there anyone in America who believes his comment that he didnt inhale. Nope. Was I ashamed of his Monica L. scandal? Yes, I think we all were - Dems and Republicans. But he's a smart guy with empathy who was hounded by his opponents but who still accomplished a fair deal in the face of, lets face it, a massive right wing conspiracy.
Bush is a tax-evading, DUI'd, Daddy's boy with a rather limited intellectual ability. The only ones who don't believe that are rabid partisan Republicans.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2160 times:
I am the first to acknowledge Bush's short comings, but Billy had them, as did Ronnie, and Jimmy, and Gerald, and Thomas, and George, ect. Some more than others, and some more disgraceful than others. Bush has yet (in my opinion) to do anything to disgrace the office yet, other than taking marathon vacations. Thing is, this thread is about Hillary, not about anyone else.
I will give Hillary the fact that Chelsea seems to have turned out as a decent adult. I do not think I would say she is popular in NYS, as much as she received the vote simply because people vote strictly Democrat/Republican. Dem Majority, powerful state, Hillary decided to run because she was damn near positive she would win. Has she done good things so far in office...probably, but the fact is, her intentions will limit her from doing the best possible job she should be.
PPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2157 times:
I think the problem most people have with Bush is the fact that he may not know everything. That is a given, but Bush admits that and surrounds himself with people that know more about the subject. Powel, Ashcroft (you is a great attorney though some of his ideals are a little extreme), Rice. In fact Bush has one of the most diverse cabinets of any adminstartion (even when compared to Clintons real American cabnet where they went to third level nomination just to get a woman in the cabnet), even though he never planned it that way. Don't knock Bush before you look at the whole picture. For all the trouble that has happened while he was in office (Submarine, Cole, 9/11, Stock Market Crash, etc) he is doing a fine job. On top of that it all happened in his first year in office.
Anyone can be a good President when nothing is happening, but when the $hit hits the fan, thats when, the men seperate from the boys.
Jayhup From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 450 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2151 times:
The world needs librarians just like they need lawyers the only difference being Laura Bush didn't have any Dewey Decimal scandals like Hillary had billing record scandals. Laura has her 7 day books back on time while Hill can't find her own court documents!!!!
GW gave up the coke and the booze but Billy just can't stay away from the interns. He should get a divorce and then he can be felated by anyone he wishes.
As for the Bush twins....seem like normal, average college students to me as opposed to Chelsea being used as a showpiece by Bill and Hill to give the appearance of a normal family.....
Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7428 posts, RR: 63 Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2143 times:
"I do take offense though, that she came to NY for a Senate Spot. I do believe he is out of touch, not just because she never lived here, but because she went to a powerful state, that has a Democrat majority, so she can further her political career."
Ditto. That's what i think of her. She'll come and go.
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
NDSchu777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 419 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2131 times:
Jaysit, I do have to agree with KROC, you've really diverted from what the question was about. Also, I wanted this thread to focus on the opinions of people from New York. Interestingly, I see from your profile that you're from DC.
Jayhup From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 450 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2128 times:
I did forget to mention that I am in fact a New Yorker and I did not vote for her. I feel used by her and the Democratic party to further her political career and, God help us, her run for the White House.
Maybe we can get Nancy Reagan back to start up her "Just Say No" campaign but this time we should just say no to Hillary and not just drugs....
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39456 posts, RR: 76 Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2127 times:
Are any politicians really in touch with their state?
Our governor here in California (Gray Davis) is from the Bronx.
Yes Hillary took advantage of New York to continue her political career. That may say a lot about the politicians in New York to allow an outsider to come in and get 56% of the popular vote.
Keep in mind, George Pataki, and Alfonse D'Amato (Republicans) won in this "Democratic Majority State", so a Hillary Clinton victory was not a sure thing.
As far as the Bush’s go, I don't like the idea of dragging children of politicians in to the mud. However Jayhup was the first in 'this thread' to find a bone to pick with Chelsea. "Chelsea being used as a showpiece by Bill and Hill to give the appearance of a normal family..... "
What kind of retarded statement is that?
Bill and Hillary were good parents for Chelsea. If she had behaved like Jenna & Laura or even me , the conservative would have launched and independent investigation in to Chelsea's personal life!
Leave those kids alone and just scrutinize the parents.
Will Pataki give up his secure governors seat just to spite Hillary in 2006?
He has to run for re-election in 2006 also.
You New Yorkers should be proud to have an outstanding person as Hillary Rodham Clinton as you Senator.
Clinton and Schumer alone with our Barbara Boxer & Diane Feinstein are some of the most brilliant members of the Senate.
If you guys dislike Hillary that much, relax. She will not be Senator forever. When she becomes President, she will no longer be your Senator!
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2117 times:
Superfly, how can you speak for what Hillary has and is doing for New Yorkers? As for D'Amato and Pataki, D'Amato was a Senator for a long time. Besides with his mob ties...who would want to beat him? Pataki...I am not to familure with him, but he did take over from the very Democratic Mario Cuomo (who I did like). I am actually a fan of Charles Schumer. Hillary though, and you cannot deny this, ONLY came to NYS because of the fact there is a Democratic majority, and its a powerful state, great for helping to further her political career. Because of that, because she is only interested in advancement, is why me, and many people are upset, and why we say she is not doing the job, in the true best intent for her constituents. Did Gray Davis move from the Bronx to Cali and instantly run for govener? If Hillary had moved to NY, was here for a few years or whatever then wanted to run, it might be a different scenario.....
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5530 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2113 times:
I think Giulianni would have defeated her had he in fact gone ahead with his Senate campaign, but alas I truely believe it was an act of God unfortunatley gave him Prostate cancer which was terribly painfull to go through but it also made him cancel the Senate campaign and remain NYC Mayor which he was on September 11th
After Giuliani's "withdrawal" from the Senate race (I use the quotation marks because he never officially entered), Hillary benefitted mightily from the fact that her new Republican opponent, Congressman Rick Lazio, ran a pathetic campaign. He went off on a nearly two-week family vacation just as the campaign season heated up and never showed more than the barest degree of enthusiasm thereafter. Lazio knew he was a second-choice, replacement candidate, and acted accordingly. Hillary sailed right past him, although as a liberal Democrat she was pretty much guaranteed to do well in New York no matter how skilled an opponent she faced.
One somewhat ironic thing from the campaign might be termed Lazio's Muslim problem. In a rather desparate attempt to appeal to Jewish voters, he was widely quoted as saying, in effect, that many Muslims supported terrorism and weren't to be trusted. In the fall of 2000, when Lazio made this remark, it seemed narrow-minded and borderline racist. If he'd said it in the fall of 2001 instead ... well, he'd probably be decorating his Senate office today!
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"