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User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 976 times:

With everyone talking about the introduction of the eastern countries will Ireland,Morocco, Sweden, Finland or Austria ever join?

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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 937 times:

I don't think that the NATO doesn't want to have new members like Sweden, Ireland or Finland but would those countries be willing to join?

I would also like to ask you if the NATO would let Switzerland to join their club. No kidding, I don't want to say that Switzerland would be a new possible member but would it be possible?

What's the requirement to join the NATO?



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User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 932 times:

The Swiss have never had the balls to stand up for anything so they will not be part of NATO. And you also have a pro Saddam stance which would also put you at odds with the alliance. All of the countries I mentioned have met requirements for NATO.

User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 911 times:

Also what about adding some Caribbean states or cape Verde

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 893 times:

Boeing in pdx
The Swiss have never had the balls to stand up for anything so they will not be part of NATO. And you also have a pro Saddam stance which would also put you at odds with the alliance. All of the countries I mentioned have met requirements for NATO.
PRO Saddam? Do you know what you are talking about???

Swiss have never had the balls to stand up for anything? Are you able to find Switzerland on a world-map and do you think Stockholm is the capital?



Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 892 times:

Sweden is neutral so I don't think Sweden will join.

Staffan


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Bern is the capital and it is west of Germany east of France and north of Italy. And the Swiss have never took a stand of fought a war. The Swiss are cowards.

User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 875 times:

So how many wars has Boeing in pdx faught?

User currently offlineOH-LZA From Finland, joined Jun 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 871 times:

Finland is neutral, so I don't think they'll join either.

Also, most Finns are against Finland joining the NATO.

Alex


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 865 times:

We are talking about Nations not people here and America has fought and won all declared ones. And what do all you Euros have to be neutral the USSR is gone so they can stop being cowards and can join the alliance.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 859 times:

Boeing in pdx: Bern is the capital and it is west of Germany east of France and north of Italy. And the Swiss have never took a stand of fought a war. The Swiss are cowards.

Almost. Switzerland is south of Germany.

Not quite there, yet, as with the rest of your statements...  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 852 times:

Is believing that conflicts to a certain extent can be solved without war, the same as beeing cowards?

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 846 times:

Bern is the capital and it is west of Germany east of France and north of Italy. And the Swiss have never took a stand of fought a war. The Swiss are cowards.

We are talking about Nations not people here and America has fought and won all declared ones. And what do all you Euros have to be neutral the USSR is gone so they can stop being cowards and can join the alliance.


Lol! Ok, people, some of you say that a lot of us Europeans are anti-American. But ffs, look at some of the Americans on this board. We have SOME right to get angry with these people.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 844 times:
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Have u received a dose of Dubya recently B in pdx? I smell warmongering.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 841 times:

Boeing in pdx...there's your typical liberal democrat. He accuses the Republicans of warmongoring, yet he makes statements like the above, and blindly supports Israel.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineAviatsiya.ru From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 837 times:

We are talking about Nations not people here and America has fought and won all declared ones. And what do all you Euros have to be neutral the USSR is gone so they can stop being cowards and can join the alliance.

OH OK. This is true.

Just one question though. What about Vietnam? Or was that an undeclared war?  Insane

The answer to that question is reason enough not to listen to the rest of the crap you are dribbling out.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 827 times:

I think with all this anti-US rhetoric emminating out of Europe, why doesn't NATO just invite in Iraq? I mean, then Europe could use all it's Chamberlain-like powers of Persuasion to keep Saddam a good boy. And, of course, at the same time, why not just toss the U.S. right out of NATO?

User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 826 times:

Now that you are all done ranting back to the subject. Will any of the Atlantic states join Nato.

User currently offlineAviatsiya.ru From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 823 times:

Now that you are all done ranting back to the subject.

Ummm......huh? Read your second post bud. You will see that you are the one who started the factless rant  Insane

Will any of the Atlantic states join Nato.

No. There is no need for them to join.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 820 times:

While Finland, Sweden & Austria may never be in NATO, no doubt Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania are prime candidates. EL&L would like a guarantor to prevent another raping of their nations by their neighbour Russia. NATO should welcome EL&L to the fold.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 809 times:

I don't see how the hell you could call the swiss cowards for never fighting in a war. If anything they are smart. Smart b/c they know the consequences even if you win the war. What reason does Switzerland have for going to war? Switzerland is not pro-saddam, how the hell can you say that. They are alowing an embasy to be opened, There is also a US embassy in Bern inotherwords a true sign of neutrality. Switzerland's system is working quite well. Per capita they are the second richest country (behind luxemburg) in the world and the standard of living is extreamly high. Everyone has access to health care, the unemployed people are helped and not subbjected to a life on the street as they so often are here in america. The government hasn't gotten the country into 6 Trillion dollars of debt. They are much more aware about the environment and the consequences of poluting, (I just love the people here in america who drive alone to work in a suburban) They do not make have allies which they extort, bend and twist for personal gain. The government is much less corrupt as in the USA (I will not say uncorrupt as no government ever has earned this distinction.) They do not imprisson hundreds of people on a "hunch" for months with out releasing any information about these people.

I just don't say how you can argue that the USA is so much better than the swiss. Why do they have to be with nato? Nato is a corrupt system of mostly rich western countries that often extorts smaller less well off countries. If the swiss were in nato they would almost have to agree to a war with Iraq. This is something the swiss will not do.

America has won all its declared wars. What if you remove that declared part. The US most definatly lost in Vietnam (don't give me the excuse, "well millions more viet cong died, thats beyonmd the point the US lost) and Korea most certainly wasn't a victory. This war on terrorism is also one that will never be won. The USA is given all the credit for World war 2 when in truth it could not have been won w/o both the English and russian's. The russians paid the highest price and IMO deserve most of the credit for winning that war.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 804 times:

Russia deserves credit for helping to start the war! They murdered millions, and invaded Poland to boot! BAH!

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 799 times:

The USA is given all the credit for World war 2 when in truth it could not have been won w/o both the English and russian's.

THE TRUTH, if you want to hear it, is that the war would NOT have been won without the United States pouring in arms and troops during World War II. THE TRUTH, if you want to know it, is that, eventually, one of two things would have happened with out the U.S.-the Russians would have ended up at Calais, or the Russians would have split Europe with Germany, and the U.K. would have had to go it alone against Germany, and most likely lost.

THE TRUTH is that the decisive factor in the outcome of the Second World War, was the entrance of the United States on December 7th, 1941. THAT is the truth. I just love when someone likes to rewrite history simply to take a swipe at another country. Revisionism may make you feel better, but it's far from the trugh.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 791 times:

The Swiss have never had the balls to stand up for anything so they will not be part of NATO. And you also have a pro Saddam stance which would also put you at odds with the alliance. All of the countries I mentioned have met requirements for NATO.

What an utterly profound statement! Obviously, you can make the above statement because you are an expert on geopolitical affairs as well as an expert on Swiss history, politics, and the reasons behind Switzerland's historic neutrality, correct? By the way, being a 16 year old, how many wars have you fought? Being faced with a war, are you 100% certain that you will be on the front line fighting or will you cower in a corner somewhere?

Bravado and machismo are great when you're hiding behind your computer screen but, I have found that it is always ones actions in the real world that carry the greatest resonance. Until you become a little more educated and until you read up a little bit on Swiss history I'd advise against posting uneducated, ignorant, and completely baseless statements.



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User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 786 times:

During WW2 my family were merchants in Poland. When the war was starting my whole family broke up. Some went to America and some went to Russia and all of our money and some family members were lost to Germany and guess were the Germans hid the Money...Switzerland. Billions of Jewish dollars were stolen by the Germans and Swiss. Some neutrality.

25 Boeing4ever : During WW2, my grandparents both fought for Poland. One was a member of the Polish Army even before the start of the armed conflict. Both had to work
26 Boeing in pdx : My grandfather was in the polish army and later joined the Soviet Army. What city is your family from? Mine is from Krakow
27 Boeing in pdx : And I was just trying to explain why i don't like the Swiss and why I hold a grudge against them
28 Staffan : Ok, great, another thread to add to the list of Anti-European rants.. BTW, the people here bitching about certain European nations being cowards for n
29 Swissgabe : HELP me, I get crazy by Boeing in pdx statements...! How the hell can you make such statements and talking about something you don't know about. I wou
30 Swissgabe : Boeing in pdx, I just forgot it. If you bloody fool guy are talking about "stolen " Money of Jewish people, what do you think about the land of the Am
31 Post contains images Swissgabe : Staffan It is always great to see Belgians and Swiss to have the same opinion To have good friends is much more important than to have good enemies ..
32 ILOVEA340 : What Switzerland did gain from freezing the accounts after WW2 was nothing compared to the price they paid for their neutrality. The unofficial number
33 Boeing in pdx : I'm sorry your family had to worry about attack when mine and B4E's families were either refugees in a CC or fighting on the front lines. Both of my g
34 Swissgabe : ILOVEA340 It is always good to get a proof that there also people living in the USA with some knowledge about that what they are talking about. Boeing
35 Boeing in pdx : When have I said America is perfect? And you obviously do not know ww2 history. The Swiss did consort with Nazi Germany. They held finances for Hitler
36 Staffan : THE TRUTH, if you want to hear it, is that the war would NOT have been won without the United States pouring in arms and troops during World War II. D
37 Swissgabe : Boeing in pdx I tried to explain you the reason before but you where not able to understand them at all so I try it once again, read it and try to und
38 Alpha 1 : Russia deserves NO credit for winning WW2. Your views are understandably colored from your family's experiences with communism, but to say Russia dese
39 GDB : It wasn't only Europeans who were pro-Hitler. Lindbergh, Henry Ford (wrote a sort of proto Mein Kampf in the 1920's), Joe Kennedy (when Hitler looked
40 DPrush : Just thought I'd flame the fire some more...Russians served as a main deterrent to Germans winninng the war, by letting the German War Machine (very c
41 Go Canada! : Alpha one, i have to agree with your statements regarding World War two but i do not accept that it could only be won with the americans and i also di
42 VC-10 : Boeing in pdx America has fought and won all declared ones - err.... Vietnam ?
43 Boeing4ever : err.... Vietnam ? err, Vietnam wasn't a declared war. We entered as a resulf of a resolution...The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution to be exact. B4e-Forever
44 ILOVEA340 : I agree that Vietnam was not declared but that is no excuse to not call it a war and say since it wasn't a war no one lost.
45 VC-10 : Vietnam wasn't a war. I think that is playing with semantics. Anyway we are going off topic
46 Aviatsiya.ru : If that muppet in Washington can justify calling revenge a "War on Terrorism", don't go trying to say that Vietnam was not a war.
47 Alpha 1 : The turning point of the war was the seiges in russia.. Indeed a turning point. But one of many: Midway, Stalingrad, The Bulge, along with Normandy we
48 ILOVEA340 : Give me an F-ing reason as to why Vietnam was not a war. Even in the American written history books it gets placed in the stats List of "US Wars". It
49 Boeing in pdx : I was not declared and that makes it not a war.
50 ILOVEA340 : well there was never an officila peace treaty after world war 2 so I guess the USA is still at war with germany. The fact was that it was and is looke
51 Swissgabe : DPrush, thanks for your very useful comment. Guess you are just another guy who doesn't know what he is talking about and you seem not to understand t
52 Boeing in pdx : There are lots of names for it. Yes it was a war but a unofficial one. You could call it a conflict or Flashpoint
53 777236ER : We're all straying from the point, which is NATO. But then again, it seems that NATO is straying from the point, isn't it? During the cold war NATO's
54 Boeing in pdx : I would like to apologize for my coward remarks but I do think that the Swiss should take some responsibility for the things they did during the war.
55 777236ER : All I have said is that we never declared war which is true. Does it matter what you call it many people died and I am sure that they and there famili
56 Boeing in pdx : War is just a legal title nothing more. Legally it was not a war. Was panama a war? I don't think I am flamebaiting I am just saying that it was not a
57 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : >>>Morocco in NATO? Keep dreaming...Maybe when the last muslim is driven out Ever heard of that tiny country called Turkey? Last time I checked she wa
58 777236ER : But what was the point in saying it? So you can stand by your "America has never lost!!" viewpoint? Well it HAS. Suck it up.
59 Go Canada! : of so, america just went into vietnam to butcher 1 million people did it?, dont you think it had a reason to eneter vietnam, it was backed by UN resol
60 GDB : God there are some Cartman-style meatheads on here! Hello? Hate to tell you this, but to drive every Muslim out of Morocco you'd have to be get rid of
61 Boeing in pdx : Turkey was not a founding member. They joined in the 50's or 60's.
62 OH-LZA : I wonder how the discussion would be if everyone participating in this thread were speaking about these things in real life... Hopely, not as much ign
63 FDXmech : A joint EU force would be much better for the European countries because Europeans are more similarly minded. No doubt the EU has the wealth and where
64 Alpha 1 : No doubt the EU has the wealth and wherewithall to field an effective fighting force, but U.K. aside, does the E.U. have the will to take a leading ro
65 Go Canada! : a european defence force will simply be a duplication of Nato with the best bits left out. European countries, in the main dont like war, they dont li
66 GDB : Actually Austria has reduced the number of Eurofighters from 24 to 18, and delayed delivery-the original timescale looked optimistic anyway. I don't r
67 Go Canada! : they may be some nice points there but with the EU nothing is simple, how do you determine who has a veto in the EU defense force, the problem is that
68 GDB : The Dutch have shown the way in reducing forces post cold war for the smaller NATO nations, but properly restructuring to reflect today's needs, in th
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