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Arabs Accept Palastinians?  
User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1559 times:


If the Arab world really wants to help the pease process and the palastinians, why doesn't one of the Arab nations take the Palastinians in? It seems like that would offer a fine solution. If other Arab countries say they want peace, why don't they offer to accept Palstinians into there country? I guess I don't understand why the wouldn't do this. Anyone have any ideas?

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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1537 times:
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Even if an arab country offers to 'take' the Palestinians, i doubt the Palestinians would accept such an offer, they feel Palestine is their home and they will not let go of it.




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User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

They feel thats there home? These are people who have been moving around for forever. But would a PLO leader comitted to peace accept such a offer knowing that it would bring peace? The real question I have is that if all the arab countries want peace, why don't they offer to take there own brothers?

User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

Many Arab countries have Palestinians. The UAE and Qatar offered many citizenships and integrated them into society but has cut the number of citizenship in the 90's due to the Palestinian population nearly outnumbering the locals.

A lot of Palestinians made there way to Saudi Arabia too. Many of the earlier Palestinian Refugees of 1948 were given Saudi Citizenship but also the amount of citizenships has been reduced significantly because of the strain on public funding etc... but still immigration continues and in good numbers too.

During the Gulf War some Palestinians living in Kuwait cooperated with the Iraqi's and basically this lead to the whole Palestinian population being ostrasized and most were expelled from the country and headed to Jordan ass well as Egypt and Canada. The Queen of Jordan was one of these Palestinians. In Kuwait today there is still a sizeable Palestinian population but they are subject to discrimination but the situation has been easing especially after the Intifada when the Kuwaiti population sympathized with the Palestinians living in Kuwait.

Jordan also has a lot of Palestinians and in fact the majority of Jordanian Citizenship holders are of Palestinian origins. There are numerous Refugee camps in Jordan where the Palestinians refuse to integrate because they hold dearly to their Palestinian Identity and don't want to settle down in Jordan because they believe they will return too. Egypt has also been very accepting of the Palestinians and a large number of Palestinians have egyptian citizenships. Though nowadays Egypt has been stricter.

The only two Arab countries which haven't been very welcoming of the Palestinians are Syria and Lebanon where there was little care and integration of refugees in Syria and virtually no integration into society in Lebanon. Lebanon has been lobbying very hard to allow the Palestinian Refugees living in the Sabra and Shateela camps to return because they are a very big drain on resources and many are not educated or skilled because Lebanon couldn't afford to educate all the refugees and take care of their health.

Of course many Palestinians even those with citizenships in other countries whish to return to Palestine someday and many Arab governments feel that the Palestinian Refugees are not their fault and Israel should take responsability for their actions.






User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

Millions of Palestinians are living in different Arab countries. I don't hope that you are saying that Israel should get an open empty ground. The Palestininas that wanted to take the nationalities of other countries have done so. But just like as anyone, THEY WANT THEIR LAND BACK.

User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

"If other Arab countries say they want peace, why don't they offer to accept Palstinians into there country? I guess I don't understand why the wouldn't do this."

As I said up there are already many Palestinians who have been located but let me explain why they wouldn't accept each and everyone. I'll give you an analogy which might be easier to understand.

- Let's say new 2 roomates move into your neighbours apartment where 3 people lived. The roomates have an argument and the original roomates are either kicked out by the people who just moved in or decide that they will leave. The people who have just moved in would not allow the original tenants to return. Is it your responsability to house your neighbours even if you were not the reason they left or were kicked out? and will you house them even if your apartment is too small to house them?

- Now you have decided to keep 2 of the original roomates because you couldn't possibly house all 3. The one you didn't take ends up on the streets, all hope lost. Of the 2 roomates that you have taken in 1 decides to get a job and pay his share of the bills for your apartment. The other one is determined to return to his old apartment and so isn't working and henceforth not paying his share of the Bills and is getting dificult to support.

I hope you understood the analogy.


User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

And if you don't then consider this.
Would the US allies like EU accept all Americans should you JUST consider that something like this should happen to them???
I don't think that people within the US would show such a jesture. Even on a smaler scale, would YOU accept a family of say even if of your own size, should a tragedy occur somewhere in your neighbourhood with your area being safe??
The Arab civilians are doing a lot. Its their governments are have their politics to play.


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

there are palestinians living in arab countries, what some have missed is the actual numbers.

It very interesting that at the UN security council meeeting to propose a palestinian state, the arab representive, Syria refused to vote for a palestinian state and a peace plan.

Its also interesting that neither jordan nor Egypt offered to create a palestinian state with their land that Israel wants to give to the palestinains.The west bank was owned by jordan and in fact jordan used to do everything possible to ensure that palestine didnt exist.

The arabs were at fault for the palestinain refugee problem, when the arabs attacked israel in1948 they told the palestinains to leave their homes, the poor civilains did as they were told and lost out.

The palestinains came under the control fo israel after the six day war, that is when their land was occupied, land that is rightfully theirs. The arab states had all the way upto 1967(17 years after israel was created) to allow palestine to exist in the areas it wants to (eg gaza strip and the west bank) but instead they decided to surround israel and then moaned after the were soundly beaten in six days.

The arabs didnt do enough to create a palestinian state, the country that wanted a state and supported it was the palestinains enemy, israel.

The peace plan by the saudis wasnt welcomed in the way you would expect it, sharon, pm of israel offered to attend the arab league summit to discuss the peace deal and the arabs didnt want to know.

Yasser arafat has been misled if he thought his arab brothers would save palestine, they didnt.the arab peoples had hundreds of year to create a palestine and they didnt, their actions have only worserned the situation and the poor palestinian civilains still dont have the peace, quite and respect they deserve, peace they can only get with freedom, the only way for that is a viable palestinian state, free from the terrorists.



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User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

"The arabs were at fault for the palestinain refugee problem, when the arabs attacked israel in1948 they told the palestinains to leave their homes, the poor civilains did as they were told and lost out."

You forgot to mention that in 1948 the Israeli's razed whole villages and famrs to the ground which was the cause of the displacement of many Palestinians. There is a list of Villages destroyed with corresponding population but I have lost it. I will try to look for it though.

"The west bank was owned by jordan and in fact jordan used to do everything possible to ensure that palestine didnt exist."

The traditional Arabian style of Rule meant that there was no strong central and each province was very independent of the other so you didn't have Jordan a few centuries ago. Untill the Ottomans took control, Jerusalem was controlled by Muslim Khalefites of different Dynasties but not by actual countries.

The Ottomans were hated by the people of the Areas known today as Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Palestine. The people of the Arabian Peninsula in the South cooperated with the Ottomans and later fought them of the land after they became greedy. My Father's Great Grandfather lead the Army that liberated Qatar from the Ottomans and this same occurance was going around the Gulf with a lot of assistance from the British (e.g. Lawrence of Arabia is a famous example).

In the North of the Arabian Peninsula (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Palestine) the people cooperated with the British to oust the Ottomans and later the British occupied the teritories and made them British Mandates with the blessing of the League of Nations.

The British and the French carved Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq between themselves and they drew the borders. The British promised the Hashemites who controlled the Eastern part of Saudi Arabia that they will be given the rule of Arabia and hence you saw the Kings in Iraq and Trans-Jordan.

King Abdullah allowed the British a lot of influence in the region and kept the Arabs under control in return for the British to protect him and his throne. He was also instrumental in bringing in the Jewish Immigrants in the early 20th Century.

So it wasn't a case of the Arabs not giving Palestine Land or such but it is a case of a Corrupt Power Hungry King who was installed as King of Trans-Jordan and protected from opposition by Colonial Britain. The King helped keep the population under control and allowed the British to do what they want in the region. He didn't care for the Arabs or the people of Trans-Jordan but cared about his throne. His interests always came first. Also this is how Jordan came to be and they originally didn't have the land that is the West Bank but it was in fact passed around from the Local Rulers of Jerusalem and Damascus to the Ottomans to the British to the Jordanians. So you basically had the Palestinians ruled by a cocktail of different governments all from different countries (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, British, Turkey etc..)





User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Both Syria and Jordan fell victim to Palestinian attempts to topple the government and install their leaders (Arafat etc.) instead.

In both countries, the problem was dealt with decisively, leaving tens of thousands dead with the survivors being thrown out of the country.

In Kuwait, the Palestinians living there cooperated with the Iraqis in the hope of being able to get control of the area in the form of some form of independent state.

Palestinians do not have an especially good record when it comes to honouring hospitality...



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User currently offlineEmiratesLover From Malta, joined Dec 2000, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Arab societies have been hosting millions upon millions of Palestinian refugees ethnically cleansed by Israel.They treatment ranges from excellent to appalling, with any number of degrees in between.

Whatever may be said about Arab societies and their treatment of Palestinians, it is still approximately a million times better than the way Israel treats Palestinians under concerntration camp-like conditions in the occupied territories.


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

the fact is the arabs had a chance to create palestine and they didnt.


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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

I see this ONLY as a attempt by the media and individuals sending message out that Arabs are not faithful to Palestinians. I say the Palestinians ARE Arabs! Its a community of which Palestinians are a part of. And these people understand and to their best try to help them out.
You can say these sorts of things about the governments of the Arabs AT THE MOST and this is because of international politics. Even the governments are not against Palestinians living in peace. The people definately have very warm feelings for them. The only thing that is against them is Israel. And thats it!!!


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

For all the ethnic cleansing that gets banded around on here, there are well over a million arabs living happily in Israel, working in Israel and being happy to live among there fellow countrymen and women

Jeremy


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