Saintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2033 times:
If found guilty then he should have his bollocks cut off for a start. This case has generated a lot of interest and following the stabbing of the man who murdered Sarah Payne I imagine that Huntley will be a marked man for the rest of his life.
Well done to the Police too. I doubt they could have saved the girls but at least they caught the pair who did it.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 21 Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2042 times:
The guy has been charged, not yet convicted, innocent until proven guilty. Plus he hasn't been taken to jail yet, they've moved him to a mental health unit. Wonder why? the geezer looked perfectly normal last week when he gave an interview for Sky news.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12954 posts, RR: 79 Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2015 times:
You have to trust that most Police officers and Doctors have enough experience to see through somebody faking mental illness.
An ex girlfriend was a mental health nurse, she never saw dangerous people drooling like some silly tabloid stereotype of insanity.
It does appear that interrogations with him haven't got very far, due to his condition.
If he does not stand trial because of Mental Illness, he won't be let out if it is proved by forensic evidence that he killed those two girls.
Moors Murderer Ian Brady is in the mental institution, and he's not getting out unless it's in a coffin, like others who have committed similar crimes.
Seems the girlfriend is being charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice, an hideously misguided attempt to protect Huntley?
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1994 times:
Nice example of the mentality of the mainstream media. This morning at a newsstand, and every paper had a similar headline -- most along the lines of "He won't stand trial!" and some a bit more subtle. The point was clear however, the press (and by Murdochish relation, the public) wanted Huntley to stand trial, whatever his mental condition. I have a hard time believing that the same papers would champion Hartley if he was actually innocent yet through personal incompetence thanks to any mental illness he was mistakenly convicted. The press seem to shout non-stop about the seemingly endless cases of the police extracting confessions, when the person was actually innocent, yet they're quite willing to let someone who's mentally ill, yet committed the wrong crime, stand trial.
If he's shown to be not guilty, through trial or otherwise, do you think he'll ever lead a normal life again? He'd probably have to change his name, his appearance, where he lives and would still most likely be killed by some sort vigilantes "avenging the death of Holly and Jessica".
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12954 posts, RR: 79 Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1990 times:
I'm not a parent, so I cannot really imagine what those girls families are going through, and the fears of all parents.
However, the UK is the second safest Western nation when it comes to child deaths-including accidents.
(Sweden is top, the US number 5).
Four out of Five children who are abused/murdered are victims of members of their own family, or someone else they knew.
If Huntley is the killer, he would fit the profile, working at the school and his girlfriend being a former classroom assistant, he admitted he chatted to them that evening.
In the UK, around 45 children are deliberately killed every year, 45 too many of course, but the same figure as 25 years ago.
For every child murdered, 22 die on the roads.
Still, the tabloids must have their shrieking headlines designed to strike the fear of god into every responsible parent in the land, sells papers after all.
Qantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1995 times:
The media have gone way overboard on this one, of course this story is a tragedy-as is any death, but whether this guy is innocent or guilty has already been decided by the red tops and I cannot help but wonder if Huntley's lawyer is already preparing to move for a mistrial on the basis that the media reporting means his man can't ever get a fair trial.
And I'm sure that the papers had Holly and Jessica's interests (and their families interests) at heart when all of Huntley and Carr's ex lovers came out of the woodwork and took the newspaper's tainted money for selling their stories-and this was a week ago when Huntley and Carr were being voluntarily interviewed and still a good 24-36 hours before they were arrested.
It's unfortunate that this story has broken at this time of year when there is usually very little real news to report, but then this sort of story usually happens in the summer holidays.
you can't buy time but you can sell your soul and the closest thing to heaven is to rock'n'roll
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12954 posts, RR: 79 Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1960 times:
Rest assured if he goes to a UK prison, he'll be looking over his shoulder, the Rule 43 segregation notwithstanding.
But if he's guilty, he may spend the rest of his life in a secure hospital if he's proven to be seriously mentally ill.
Barcode From Switzerland, joined Dec 2001, 678 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1951 times:
There is something odd about this - we've yet to hear on what grounds the guy has actually been convicted, it's all very circumstantial right now and I do think this vigilante like attitude is over the top ...
Yes, I'm shocked and deeply saddened by the events. However, I'm also amazed at the media's blatant attempts to manipulate the emotions of the general populace. Of course, the nice middle class family who lose a daughter will cause a media storm, whereas the black kid who goes missing from a council estate will not even make it to the local evening news.
It happened in a sleepy town full of wealthy people - perfect fodder to scare the entire country -- " look ! it can happen to anyone - including you !! " ... the events are obviously very distressing, but I don't think the media has kept any of this in perspective.
And I'm not going to presume Ian Huntley is guilty either - all the arguments for it are looking rather specious right now - where is the real evidence, beyond our natural suspicions ?
Toady From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1936 times:
Assuming the girls were killed and dumped within a few hours of their abduction, their bodies have been left to nature for 12 days. The kind of heat we've had recently is not 'kind' to corpses. Add to this the very real possibility of animal damage and it doesn't surprise me that forensics are not yet certain of the cause of death.
Furthermore, this assumes that the girls were not mutilated or dismembered by the murderer in any way. I'm sure mutilation and/or dismemberment would disguise the cause of death and also make positive identification a wee bit more difficult.
I'm sure medical science has more stringent and accurate methods of determining someone's sanity than by seeing how he looks.
All you mawkish goremongers will have to wait a little while until the details are made fully public.
SAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1931 times:
As Toady rightly says, two weeks in hot weather - coupled with the attentions of foxes and other fauna - will make identification other than through dental records or DNA rather difficult. I've seen quite a few corpses in my time and they tend not to be very pretty things.
Added to that, the issue of identification is a legal issue. Again, I have personally seen a case where a police officer was not allowed to say that a decapitated corpse was dead until it had been certified as such by a doctor.
Cosync From Mexico, joined Nov 2001, 556 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1930 times:
i reckon he tried to get rid of the bodies in acid but didnt work so he buried them.
i wish this had never happened. as son as i saw the photos of teh girls and how young they where i felt sick. if someone pays for wot theyve done it still wont be enough. At least we can know there are 2 more angels looking down on us.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12954 posts, RR: 79 Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1896 times:
As these sorts of (rare) murders have not increased over the years, the death penalty is not a deterrent, remember the Moors Murders started their crimes while capital punishment was still in force. It had been repealed by the time they were caught, which often leads people to the wrong conclusions.
Then there are the miscarriages of justice, I can think of half a dozen immediately that would have meant an innocent person being executed.
It happened to, before multiple murderer Christie was caught in the early 50's, an innocent man had already been executed for some of Christie's crimes.
Anyway, it's academic, it's never coming back, (fewer people support the idea, the last PM who believed in it was Thatcher and she never got near getting it back, didn't really try in fact).
Good thing too.
Jaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1893 times:
remember the Moors Murders started their crimes while capital punishment was still in force.
But people all around the world want someone to be punished for murdering Jessica & Holly. And I mean all around the world - I was looking at the BBC News site, and there were messages from people from loads of countries. I think more people are bothered about this than the moors murders. Just look at all the media coverage to do with this case. People want something done. A few people who live near me think the death penalty should be brought back for cases where something this bad has been done.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 21 Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
Jaspike, i understand what you mean when u say bring back the death penalty, but it's been proved that capital punishment is not a deterrant, just look at the US. Firstly, killing innocents is just too much of a risk to take, secondly, most criminals would probably spend months and years spending time in death row, wasting taxpayers money and resources, just look at the US again.
In the end, when you kill someone, that's it, it's the end, they will pass away 'easily' if there's such a thing. Dump them in jail, in solitary confinement, take away their freedom, their liberty and their rights, and let them suffer.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12954 posts, RR: 79 Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1875 times:
I well understand, and share, the emotions of those wanting child-killing lowlife's to get the rope.
But as much as possible, the Justice system has to spurn emotion, if it is to be a fair system.
Now I know that many, (paticulary in the US), think that not having a death penalty is to almost encourage crime.
Maybe that's a major cultural gulf, but I think that the British reputation for 'coldness' and being 'unemotional' has served us well in this case.
Problem is, we've this tabloid press industry, who are IMHO making fair trials in high-profile cases become ever more difficult.
For all their lynch-mob shrieking, they are making the possibilities of the guilty going free more likely.
How can a jury impartially convict when the media pours over every nuance of the defendant's life?
10 years ago, a Minister warned the gutter press that they were 'drinking in the last chance saloon.
Then the press exposed his petty, sad, minor unfaithfulness.
Time to throw them out of the saloon, and revoke the liquor license.
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1871 times:
The tabolid press have whipped this story up, they are selling newspapers on the back of the grief of two families because its the summer and they need a story.
There is every chance that huntley wont get a free trial, thanks to people like rebakkah wade at the news of the screws(sorry world), the uneducated yobs of britain read and believe everythignt hey find in the newspapers, this led last some to mass attacks against ordinary people for apparently being child molesters when they werent, one case was a paeditrican who was evicted by yob force because they didnt have enough brain cells to know what a paeditrican was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If he is proved guilty, he can always claim that he didnt recieve a far trial.The press did this with the trial of two Leeds footballers over a racist assault, they were set to go down but the case collapsed because the sunday mirror couldnt resist taking things further. A retrial, costing millions upon extra millions was ordered but by then it was so difficult that justice wasnt done.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit