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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

I'm not exactly sure where to post this but I decided to post it here. I just heard that my RA (resident advisor) from freshman year got into a car accident a few weeks ago. When the school year ended, he had just recieved his multi-engine rating. He was a Senior. Anyways, he is paralyzed from the neck down and has now switched majors to Aviation Administation. I just wanted you people to know that things like this happen. It's a shame that this had to happen to such a good person, or to any person for the matter. I'm sorry to see someone work so hard to fly and end up like this. He was speeding and lost control in his car and ran into a tree at over 100 miles an hour. I'm glad he's alive but sad that his life has come to this.

I'm not sure why I posted this, but I feel like the aviation community lost a great pilot. He would have made every airline proud.

Feel free to comment on this and share anything about people who this has happened to.

FB05


Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
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User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

It's a shame HE ruined HIS life.

-174thfwff


User currently offlineFlightSimFreak From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

interestingly, the AP published an article about a pilot who was paralyzed from the waist down, but wanted to fly for an airline or become a flight instructor.

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

I think it is a good example of why you should have some form of backup (i.e. not restricted to flying) qualification when embarking on a career as a pilot. You never know what is going to happen, or how you could lose your medical, but there is always that possibility, and I don't think anyone particularly enjoys confronting it.

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Correction Guys...
"He was speeding and lost control in his car and ran into a tree at over 100 miles an hour."




User currently offlineB767-400er From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

umm. Jwenting you might want to read the post again, it said he was speeding. Anyways, I still think 174th's unsympathetic comment is uncalled for.

Tony,
B767-400er


User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

174thfwff: Everybody makes mistakes which are regretted for a lifetime. You are not making things any better for him by talking like that. If anything learning from this chap's mistakes may one day save your life. Shame on you.

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Speeding at 100mph is just insane. Maybe you'd prefer it if he'd killed an innocent pedestrian because of this lunacy. I wouldn't want to wish harm on anyone, but I find it difficult to be sympathetic to any idiot who thinks that driving fast is cool.

If any of you drive like maniacs and are stupid enough to believe that you're actually in control of a vehicle when you're speeding, perhaps this little lesson will teach you to slow the hell down and think about the lives you might be about to ruin. And not just your own.


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

How did that kid become a moderator, and moreover, how the hell can Johan still let him be one?
Just check out his posts in the past.

I give that guy credit cause he still works in the aviation industry. He is passionate and didn't give up living.
That deserves some respect!

174thfwff,

I think that guy is very aware about what he did, and probably feels shit about it.
But he didn't give up!!!
I guess you don't have clue what I mean here.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2269 times:

It made me very sad to read the topic. And it made me even sadder when I read the posts here. We shouldn't be fighting here on what that guy did was right or not. if we haven't done it so far we should be glad for it and be more cautious in the future. This could happen to anyone. Don't we drive at high speed on highways and motorways?? Things can go more serious there. .May God bless us all and compensate the unlucky guy through something else and give him serenity. Being on the ground forever is the nightmare that I wouldn't even like see in sleep.
This reminds me of two quotes:
Learn from the mistakes of others because you will not be able to make them all by yourself and survive.
The other and the more influential one:
It may be the purpose of your life to serve as a warning to others.
That can be anyone, who knows. I hope not me. But I see someone else here. My condolences, and a word of wisdom:
By ignoring the warning, you are ignoring the PURPOSE of someone's LIFE.
God forbids but it can be the one such person that may become a stronger warning.
This should also remind us of how responsible we should be not just in the air, but in EVERY action that we take. As that former pilot was an intelligent one, we should keep in our mind that being smart up in the air is NOT all that it takes.


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2247 times:

I drive 100mph regularly. No problem if you can handle the car and know the road (preferably a wide straight one like a highway with little other traffic)...

Often, you're more dangerous here driving 50mph than 100 because everyone else will be doing 100 as well  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2246 times:

I give that guy credit cause he still works in the aviation industry. He is passionate and didn't give up living.
That deserves some respect!


A lot of respect!! It takes a lot of courage to continue after something like this. And obviously we should have some backup as someone pointed out. But who knows that the guy had some yet he decided to stick to aviation.



User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Jwenting - may I ask what your plan to handle a front wheel blowout at 100mph as opposed to 50mph is? Or for that matter what you plan to do should you lose control for any other reason (I am *sure* this doesn't apply to you, but say for example that you have had a lot to drink, but you are driving because you *know* you can handle the car).

No, I didn't think so...

Now, what Flyingbronco's friend did was blatantly stupid. He paid the price for it. But there is no need to rub it in. Instead of mouthing off, take a moment to think how you would feel if it was one of your friends. Now, rather than sitting here making idiotic or thoughtless remarks at each other, lets take this as a lesson to a) be thankful for what we have, b) know that the vehicles (earthbound or otherwise) we control are not toys and c) realise that most rules and regulations are there for our own safety.

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Driving 100 mph is not dangerous as people above have indicated. However, this fellah was driving 100 mph and lost control and hit a tree. Obviously, he was not driving on a proper road for this sort of speed. Also, a tire blowout at 100 mph is controllable.

It is nice to see that this guy found the courage to continue in aviation, and I wish him the best of luck. My best friend lost his medical and can't fly anymore. He's only 24, and had just completed his commercial license when he got sick. He didn't have a backup and is now stuck and doesn't know what to do.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Driving 100mph in itself is not dangerous. Here in Austria the speed limit's 80mph, but most people, including myself do 90+. In Germany there's NO speed limit and they routinely go over 120 ALL the time, so I guess it's HOW you drive that counts.

Most likely this guy was going too fast for the design of the road, or was not used to travelling at such high speeds and lost control of his car. Regardless, I think it's very poor taste to rejoice at someone else's misfortunes. What if we were each ridiculed everytime we made a mistake? Where would we find the incentive for growth?

May the first one among us without blame please cast the first stone?


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

He was speeding and lost control in his car and ran into a tree at over 100 miles an hour.

I am not sure I would want a pilot with this attitude sitting next to me in the cockpit. I want responsible people, people who obey altitude restrictions, holds, precise headings, comply with the rules, and one who knows their operating limitations both of themselves and their equipment.

On my FAA medical exam every six months, I have to list any traffic infractions. Driving over 100 miles an hour anywhere in the U.S. is an infraction of the most serious nature. You can kill yourself and more importantly, innocent people. There is a reason that this question is asked. It indicates a lot of things on the type of person you are in operating a vehicle.

I am sorry but I have seen 2 accidents that were caused by vehicles traveling at over 100 miles per hour resulting in 2 deaths. It's not pretty, nor is it pretty for the grieving families.

This person is very lucky that he did not kill anyone or himself. I am certain however, that we all wish him well.

A lesson learned, certainly for him, hopefully for others.

Compassion and prayers yes, sympathy no.

ClipperHawaii



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

I agree with the Clipper above.

Hepkat, when discussing what is a safe speed issues such as the experience level of the driver, the standard of the roads and the weather must all be taken into account. There is no real "safe speed".

I don't think anyone was rejoicing at his tragic accident, they were merely reacting to the original poster who made it out to be such a loss. A tragic loss, but one of the drivers own making. It is lucky that this accident didn't involve others as they so often do.





VH-ADG


User currently offlineVirginLover From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 958 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Our town was just hit with something similar. One kid from my high school lost control of his car while speeding earlier this month and passed away a day later. While I only knew him vaguely from elementary school, its still very sad. His obituary was put on the page with "loving grandfathers" and "died at the age of 90" He was 17. While he shouldn't have been speeding and been more careful on the road, he didn't deserve to die because of it. People here have been saying the same thing as 174- "well, its his own fault." People speed everyday, act reckless everyday, but they don't die. He could very well have been driving at a normal speed and the same thing could have happened. All it takes is one second to lose control. Things like this and what happened to your friend puts our own lives in perspective.

User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Cpt. Gomes & Hepkat seem to be the only two who aren't so quick to jump on the speed kills bandwagon. Since when does driving at 100 mph / 160 kph mean that you're going to have an accident? Any of you heard about a thing called the Autobhan? From what I've gathered, people speed on there all the time and the accident rate is no greater than roads with slower posted speed limits.
Why are some of you so quick to jump to conclusions? Do you know the exact circumstances surrounding the incident? Where you there??? Or, are your conclusions simply based on the fact that the dude was driving at 100mph? I suppose you think the results would have been different had he been driving at 60mph? Well, tell that to all those law abiding motorists who died while driving at the posted speed. I'm sure there are many law suits before the courts because it certainly wasn't their fault the accident happened  Yeah sure

Clipper Hawaii; Not everywhere in the U.S. is driving over 100mph an infraction "of the most serious nature". You should read up on the state of Montana, sometime.

To say that this chap brought this upon himself is akin to saying the USA brought that incident upon themselves. Driving at 60mph could have resulted in the same outcome. The point is, STUFF HAPPENS.... and it's not necessarily the direct result of your actions!

AW!


User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

My thoughts:

I am staying away from this specific accident because I don't believe anything Flyingbronco05 says, but:

It is sad when most ppl die or are seriously injued, but if a person was being unsafe at the time of an accident or breaking the law, you have to accept that this was not just an accident but also a choice. We are responsibe for our choices and the consequesnses of them.


User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Driving at 60 miles per hour and crashing is one thing...However driving at 100 miles per hour and crashing is another. At 60 you have more time to react then you do at 100 miles per hour. Moreover this isn't a question of wreckless driving because it was. I'm sorry, telling me going 100 miles per hour is safely is alright, but obviously if you lose control of a car going above the speed limit with out any problems (such as a tire blow out, wheel lock up, etc) then you are not driving safely and you are a danger to others on the road.

As for all those people that were calling to flame me...Shame on you.

VirginLover-
A) It was his fault, want me to lie about it?
B) "could very well have been driving at a normal speed and the same thing could have happened."...But he wasn't going the normal speed so this isn't even an issue.
C)"People speed everyday, act reckless everyday, but they don't die." People speed, people don't. It doesn't matter what other people do now does it. It comes down to responsibility of yourself and control your actions.

I'm a volunteer firefighter. I see this kind of crap all the time so don't even start by saying speeding is fine and dandy. Try it. I see so many accidents because of hotshots going faster then their car and the road and their limit is designed for. Because people thought they could go 40 around a turn instead of 20. Because they own a SUV and think they can go 85 in the snow instead of 50. This is wreckless driving! I don't know why people try and tell us that they know they can go 100 miles per hour when we are bringing them to the ambulance. (If the accident was only based on poor judgment, not on a tire blow out etc...)


I never said this kids an idiot, however he was driving wreckless and it was his own fault.

As stated before by another user.
"Compassion and prayers yes, sympathy no."


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

The speedlimit is 75 mph on the Interstate in Montana not 100. Anyone who drives at 100 mph on roads in the United States is a lawbreaker plain and simple.

As I said before, "Driving over 100 miles an hour anywhere in the U.S. is an infraction of the most serious nature."

Actually it is you AWspicious, that needs to do some research on the speed limits both in Montana and in the rest of the U.S. and why it is dangerous to drive at that speed. As far as knowing the circumstances of this incident, I do know that the speed was over 100 mph. That is good enough for me to pass judgment.

I hope none of you ever see a kid with his head crushed, arm torn off, bodily fluids flowing with his cars gasoline and oil across the road.

Speed kills, and so does stupidity.

Drive safe and at no higher that the speed limit.

CH




"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineVickybiccy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 212 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

If anyone is going to drive at 100mph, they have to realise that they are risking their life as well as that of other people.

You must be prepared to deal with the consequences. Of course there are plenty of drivers who can go along safely at that speed, but you cannot predict the driving ability of others on the road at the same time.

My mum was driving once and the car in front spun out of control, as she wasn't going too fast, she was able to get out of the way safely. I do not want to think of the consequences if she was going at 100mph.


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

174thfwff,

You are getting flamed because this comment was totally out of line. This person is not and will not be the only human being in this world to take a risk for a thrill and pays the price.

So let me ask you this... what if this person lost control on the autobon (sp?) where this is totally legal? Does he still deserve this punishment? Hardly. You made an inhumane comment and deserve the flamings you are getting.

Put this guys shoes on for a while. Yes, he did something stupid. Yes, he has to live with a stupid mistake. Does he deserve it? NO.


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

He shouldn't have been driving at 100mph, especially if the road wasn't suitable for that sort of speed. Don't tell me that, if you drive at 100mph that you are heading for that sort of thing, because its not more dangerous than driving at 70 if you keep your distance from the car in front, and the road is suitable (ie. straight).

25 Clipperhawaii : Since 174thfwff seems to be the punching bag here for some reason. I will also chime in and say this guy DID ruin HIS life. And for what? Pegging the
26 Ts-ior : I have seen a documentary on a French paralyzed girl flying privately. She has the P.P.L.and she is very enthousiastic to become an airliner pilot. A
27 VirginLover : 174, if you read my post clearly, I never said he wasn't to blame. I just said even with taking stupid risks, it's horrible to see someone at 17 die.
28 174thfwff : Okay... If I was fooling around with a loaded gun and shot myself in the stomach what kind of sympathy would you show for me? I was a teen with a prom
29 Flyingbronco05 : I thank the ones who are sypathetic. However, when I wrote this: he was speeding and lost control in his car and ran into a tree at over 100 miles an
30 AZO : 174thfwff if you were playing with a gun and accidentally shot yourself, I would have a lot of sympathy for you. I am an EMT and it is my job not to j
31 Ukair : Yes but now you are suggesting he was stupid as well.
32 AZO : No, only that he did something stupid.
33 174thfwff : "What would you do if you came across a kid who lit himself on fire while playing with matches, just watch him burn because you think he's an idiot?"
34 Flyboy36y : Bronco, when I wrote this: he was speeding and lost control in his car and ran into a tree at over 100 miles an hour it doesn't say he wasn't at fault
35 Bravo45 : Listen guys! He could have lost control because of a factor that isn't normal or maybe wasn't supposed to be there. Don't you drive that fast?? Danger
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