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Mercedes E 320: Worthless Unreliable Crap  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Just last week, my aunt's brand new Mercedes E-320 sedan left her stranded on a crowded Los Angeles freeway.
The car just completely shut off as she was driving at 45MPH. She coasted over to the shoulder and tried to restart but the car was totally dead. Her brand new $50,000.00 investment with only 1200 miles on it just died.
She called the Mercedes repair 'specialist' to come assist. The car had to be towed back to the dealer and it took these 'specialist' 4 days to figure out and fix the problem.

Cause of failure: Air conditioner was on too long and cause main computer to short out!
Luckily the car is under warranty.
It would have cost well over $1,000.00 to fix this.



So I question the quality and sophistication of 'German engineered' cars.  Confused


This is the Mercedes E-320.




I told her she was lucky that she wasn't near any trees. Big grin
She didn't get the joke.  Smile



Bring back the Concorde
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User currently offlineMDL_777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Oh, come on now! My mother has had an E420 since 1996 and has never had a major problem with it.

If I were you, I wouldn't call into question the sophistication and quality of German cars over one incident. That could have happened to any car that uses a computer chip (and most do these days).

I know you like full-frame American cars from the 70's, but come on!  Smile


User currently offlineSophiemaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

My dad sells Mercedes parts to dealers and shops. He says it all the time. They break. A lot. And it's expensive when they do. My brother bought a Lexus.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

But it's German engineered.  Confused


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSophiemaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Hey, I still like them and would consider buying one.

User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Not like those ultra reliable American cars, eh?  Insane

Tell her to get an Acura.



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineLortab 7.5mg From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 805 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Here's your car Sophie.



User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

We her husband now deceased was Cadillac man and for years, they only had bough Cadillacs.
There last Cadillac (Eldorado) had over 230,000 miles on it an dnever gave them any problems.
Also they could run the airconditioner at any speed.  Big grin

She should have continued her husband's tradition.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

How could an air-conditioner failure not be isolated from the rest of the car's electronics and caused the comprehensive shutdown of the vehicle? Is there something conceptually wrong with the design of the electronic control system on the "E" ?

In general, I'm most confident with German automotive engineering when it comes to the basics of the vehicle (ie. the mechanical portion). However, it's when they start cramming tons of electronics and computers into the controls of the car when things started to go haywire (and without warnings). My previous experience with German vehicles told me that the weakest link is often the electrics/electronics. I imagine you'll need full-fledged computer engineers to handle vehicles like the new BMW 7-series!!

Frankly, if my car is gonna be stuffed full of computers and electronics, I'd rather it be a Toyota.

'949



User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5579 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

Cadillac.

Lincoln.

Audi.

Big Mercury Marauder (drooool). Saw one at dealer=much lust.




...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Superfly...E320...let's think.

Mercedes is a part of Daimler Chrysler. Daimler Chrysler Aerospace is a part of EADS. EADS is an owner of *drum roll* Airbus Industrie.

Doesn't E320 remind you of ohhhhh, I dunno, let's seeee, trying to remember....oh yeah! A320.

Is that car equipped with drive-by-wire  Laugh out loud

There's your explanation.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

 Embarrassment Embarrassment Embarrassment

Oh gosh my spelling was terrible in my last post.  Sad
Let me re-type that.


Well her husband now deceased was a Cadillac man for years and they only had bought Cadillacs.
There last Cadillac (Eldorado) had over 230,000 miles on it and never gave them any problems.
Also they could run the air conditioner at any speed.  Big grin

She should have continued her husband's tradition.



Boeing4ever:
Good observation. Big grin
No wonder why I don't like the A320!



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

MDL_777:
That could have happened to any car that uses a computer chip (and most do these days).


All new cars use computer chips today.  Sad


I was pointing out that not all German cars are perfect infallable cars.

I just think a brand new $50,000.00 car with only 1200 miles on it shouldn't have a computer short out on it.




Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Every company builds a lemon now and then.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 3239 times:

Cadilac Lincoln and Audi? HA ha ha. YEa right, those companies havn't made a relible car (excluding the LS) since, wait, the havn't. I love audi, my mother currently traded her 2000 2.7T A6 Avant wagon for a car we havn't found yet. Wonderful car, drove like a dream, but was not as reliable as the other german cars. Audi has a had a bad reliablity history, dating back to there accelerator problems, but I think there getting better.

By german is you want a awsome car that drives great and is fun to be in. Buy japanese if you want a car that will run forever, but isn't quite as fun to drive.

You want a reliable and powerful car? Acura 3.2L V6 V-tech SOHC. That thing could take a A6. Plus, its better priced, no stupid pakages. Everything comes standard.


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 3218 times:

Oh well, shit is bound to happen from time to time, no big deal. In the larger picture, stuff like this happens much less frequent than in other brands - your aunt had bad luck, plain and simple.
My family has been driving Mercedes since 1936, and the only two major breakdowns which were the cars fault were repaired for free, even after the guarantee had expired.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Don't buy a car that was built on a monday or friday. If you look at the VIN # there is a way to figure out what day it was built (i think). my dad had 2 bmw 7 series that were built on mondays that were complete crap. then my dad got a 3rd (he only has had one at a time) and it was built on a wednesday and its doing great!




Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Sure IL......er....Flyingbronco. What happened to the 5 series?

User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

My mom drives it now. Why?


Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Zues,

I have a lot of cars. Probably too many. One of them is the CL-S, basically a 2dr TL. Talk about value. Nealry a year old & I haven't even put gas in it yet, lol. Seriously though, you are right on about the no bs option packaging. In fact, the only thing offered was a Nav package, which I did not get. Everything else was standard. And that 3.2? That is a lot of punch for an N.A. SOCH six. The car also rides smooth as glass, odd considering that it pulls very good sla #s as well.

PS. Anyone here looking for a 2002 Maxi SE???


User currently offlineMDL_777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Superfly:

"I was pointing out that not all German cars are perfect infallable cars."

I know what you're saying. No brand is infallible.


"I just think a brand new $50,000.00 car with only 1200 miles on it shouldn't have a computer short out on it."

You're right about that, but I was trying to say that that's probably an exception, and not the norm. That could happen to any kind of car.





User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

Erm, ILS, this is your 8th screenname? Your 9th? For fuck's sake, you said you were going to leave. In fact, you've said it 4 times. Why don't you just fuck of?!

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

yeah but Mercedes have always been a bit... cheap. They never appeared to me to be a classy, well built piece of metal.

BMW, Audi and VW are the ones you want to look at (plus, we had an Austin Metro for 10 years that was nearly 25 years old and never broke down... oh yeah once the boot opened for no reason hahah Big grin).

Dan  Smile


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

The older Mercedes were great up until the mid 80s.

For expensive European sedans & coupes I'd go with the Jaguar Vanden Plas and/or S-Type.
They are the next best thing to a Rolls Royes!  Smokin cool

However I'd still take Daimler/Chrysler over a BMW.
two bad choices in Superfly's book  Sad



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Yea right, Audi over Mercedes?

Don't get me wrong, I love Audi, we own a A6 Avant. But as far as quality and reliability go, no comparison. Mercedes is built better plain and simple, plus they have a better residual value. EGGD, I don't know where you figured mercedes is built cheap..............did you buy one that came out of a swamp or something?


25 Pacific : Your mum is one unlucky person! mercedes is the most popular make of car in HK and we definately need aircons here. Since they're so popular here, it
26 Post contains images VonRichtofen : "my aunt's brand new Mercedes E-320 sedan" Superfly, You LET your aunt buy that crap?!?
27 Post contains images Ilyushin96M : Well, despite the E320 being a very expensive car...things DO happen. New cars usually have a breaking in period for about 5,000 miles after they are
28 JAL : I thought that Mercedes were suppose to be reliable cars.
29 Flight152 : People, NO car is always free of small problems. I'm willing to bet Superflys precious Fords break down twice as much as any new Mercedes. Nothing is
30 Post contains images Captaingomes : I went for a ride in a new 2003 E500 today, and what a beauty!!! Very fast too.
31 American_4275 : Captaingomes, Those new E-Classes are GORGEOUS! I saw a couple on the road when i was in France a few days ago. They look marvelous! My dad has a 1994
32 Post contains images Captaingomes : American 4275, I admit I fell in love with the new E500. It was too powerful for its own good though! However, the rear end wont grow on me. It looks
33 Post contains images NWA742 : It's just hilarious how some of you American car haters contradict yourselves. You hype on the same stereotype about how American cars are cheap unrel
34 Post contains images Superfly : VonRichtofen: No matter what, she isn't going to listen to her little nephew even though I am 29 NWA742: You summed it up pretty well. This is what sh
35 Jcs17 : Being labeled an egotistical American on this board, I thought I might share some thoughts with you on American cars. I would never buy one....They ar
36 Post contains images Superfly : Jcs17: Would you say I am one of the lucky ones? My 1977 Lincoln Town Car has 230,000 miles plus and is a very low maintanence car. Very smooth comfor
37 Jcs17 : What coincidence! My fathers last car, before he bought the legendary Accord was a used Ford LTD! And the thing broke down constantly! I havent driven
38 WorldVoyager : The car was brand new? If she just recently bought it, it wasn't really a good idea (unless she got a deep discount), as Mercedes has just released a
39 Superfly : WorldVoyager: Yep, it was BRAND spanking NEW! (2002 model year) Jcs17: Ive ridden in Navigators and Town Cars, but I dont know about the reliability o
40 Post contains images Jcs17 : I dont know what year or what LTD model he had, all I know is that he hated it and it would break down constantly! He also told me that it had a big r
41 BH346 : "Worthless Unreliable Crap?" Is this the only problem her E320 had? If so, then shit happens. 1 problem in a new car could've been a fluke or somethin
42 Post contains images Superfly : "Is this the only problem her E320 had? If so, then shit happens. 1 problem in a new car could've been a fluke or something. That's why there are war
43 BH346 : What does that mean? Nobody can make every single one of their cars perfect. Anyway, IS THIS the only problem with the E320?
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