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Please Stop Using 9/11 As An Excuse.  
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Hi folks,

Again and again and again I see this stupid pattern emerging. It seems the best explanation that alot of people can come up with to justify some of the USA's actions, or the actions THEY believe that the US should take, is they same old story. It seems that, the USA is now 'allowed' to do anything it wants, because their countrymen were killed in a terrorist attack. Sometimes I feel as if we are losing control of democracy because its ok to do something that was previously unacceptable, because someone attacked the USA.

What did the UK do when the Omagh bomb killed people in Northern Ireland? We sure didn't handle it in the way that the US with the WTC attacks. Granted its not on the same scale, but that shouldn't make a difference. I don't know the intimate details about the NI conflicts, but from what i've heard, American's and American businesses have helped fund the IRA at times, but what have we done about that?

I just think that, if you want to justify what you want doing, or what your country wants doing, you can't just fall back under the same excuse. Its wearing a bit thin and I don't think that everything is ok to do just because your country was attacked by terrorists.

Yup, I did write this just because of the German expedite story recently posted, and Alpha 1's reply. I still respect Alpha 1 because he sometimes has good ideas, and I can see his way of thinking. But I don't see why Europeans should have to follow everything that the USA wants or says just because we are allies and the USA lost their citizens to terrorism.

grrr.

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User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Oh Great another thread on how much better you people are than us. Please less than 50 a day!

User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

right. we should just sit back and take it like a man i guess. then when it happens again we should just sit back and complain to the UN. then when it happens again we should whine a little more right?


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

"What did the UK do when the Omagh bomb killed people in Northern Ireland? We sure didn't handle it in the way that the US with the WTC attacks. Granted its not on the same scale, but that shouldn't make a difference. I don't know the intimate details about the NI conflicts, but from what i've heard, American's and American businesses have helped fund the IRA at times, but what have we done about that?"

No clearly you dont. the usa has clamped down on fundraising. as ive said before the problem is that you get collectors in boston asking people in the street for money for a poor irish war widow whos husband has been killed by the british army. Americans have realised that this isnt the case.

You cant equate the omagh bombing to an al-queda attack. It was done by a fringe group, the real ira. We didnt need the same response because its a small group, instead we hunted them down because northern ireland is under british control and we have good relations with ireland.We didnt laucnh a military attack on ireland because its not their fault, they didnt aid the terrorists, they hunt them down just as much as we do.

Al-queda is different, the taliban refused, totally refused to hand over bin laden or any member of al-queda. Al-queda has terrorists training camps, well had, they are now destroyed throughout afghanistan.

The real ira doesnt.

when an american launched a terrorist attack, he was arrested ant tried, because he was one person. when a small republican group attacks, we hunt them down, but its different when you have a world wide organisation plotting the down fall of the western way of life.

if a person operating on his own devices came from say, france or china or jordan and went to america and blew up a building, you wouldnt see america suddendly bombing france would you?




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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Uh ok, seems the 3 people who replied to the thread misunderstood what I was trying to say. I agree with the war on terrorism, I agree with alot of things that the USA does, but it seems that some people think that everything can be justified because of the loss of life on sept. 11th. I don't think thats right...

User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

such as what? if your talking about the action against al-queda and the taliban of course its justified, everyone says that. If your talking about iraq then action is justified against saddam hussien, not the iraqi people not because of 9/11 but because he is in breach of 12 un security council resoltuions and has brokern the terms of the gulf war ceasefire. Action against saddam has been going on for a decade, bombing raids on baghdad have happened under repubilican and democrat presidents.

America hasnt just decided to take action all of a sudden, it took action in kosovo and the balklans, ever since the cold war its always taken action to protect itself and the western world.

with or without 9/11, action against iraq would happen, 9/11 is serving as a reminder that if u dont do anything u will get hit.



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

I agree with the war on terrorism, I agree with alot of things that the USA does, but it seems that some people think that everything can be justified because of the loss of life on sept. 11th. I don't think thats right...

EGGD, instead of bitching, give some examples? What EXACTLY pisses you off here?

If you're just going to turn this into a "Europe is mature, and the US immature" war, then you can cease it right now. Many Americans think Europe is losing touch with reality when it comes to a lot of things, and obviously Europe is feeling the same way about the US-there have been several stories in newspapers recently about US citizens being verbally abused by people in Europe because they don't like US policies.

In the end, the US is repsonsible for the US, and its citizens-not to how the Socialist Leaning EU feels about it.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

More's the pity.. " and its citizens-not to how the Socialist Leaning EU feels about it", €urope is not socialist leaning. For shame

EGGD, how do you mean about the USA using 11 September 2001 as an excuse? The war on Iraq?



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

I'll reply when I'm feeling better, tonight (hopefully)..

In the meantime, heres something that pisses me off more: Singapore_air - stop saying €urope, thats probably even more annoying!


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

EGGD: I agree with the war on terrorism, I agree with alot of things that the USA does, but it seems that some people think that everything can be justified because of the loss of life on sept. 11th. I don't think thats right...

Alpha_1: EGGD, instead of bitching, give some examples? What EXACTLY pisses you off here?

First and foremost: EGGD has never been an U.S.-basher here on the forums nor is he saying the U.S. should just sit back. Rember the UK (as well as France, Canada, Germany and other countries) continue to support U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Some comments are pretty harsh - as if some people here achieve a lower consciousness whenever the U.S. is criticized.
That said, I partially agree with Alpha_1. Maybe EGGD should have come with some examples.
On the other hand: Dan mentioned why he made up his mind to start this topic and it is not very hard to see that this has something to do with the Iraq.

Here are more examples:
A number of journalists said, they could no longer publish critical reports in the U.S. At least one tv-jounalist was fired because of his (still moderate but critical) point of view. Free speech? In terms of what the USSR called "free speech" maybe.

Some people are detained in the U.S. without having access to lawyers or relatives. This clearly violates international (and U.S.) rules.

And then there is another point. The U.S. fed the Taliban to contain Russia during the cold war, they fed Saddam Hussein (and it is likely they even provided the targeting data Hussein used for a poison gas attack against Iran) and a couple of years later they force their european allies to join a war against those despots. Reagan once said: "Saddam Hussein may be a bestial despot, but he is our despot."
(America's heart is big but not clear.)

Regards,
NoUFO



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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

EGGD hey its a sensitive time right now, just keep some of your opinions to yourself. not everyone voices what they are thinking.


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User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

EGGD I'll spare you my rant that I was going to throw your way. You must like being a punching bag for everyone else son.

User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3388 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

EGGD hey its a sensitive time right now, just keep some of your opinions to yourself.

Oh Pulease. If that was the case, he shouldn't have started this thread.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Dan, you make some good points.
Some of the immature responses here is funny to read, as they have obviously misinterpreted your points of view.



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User currently offlineApathoid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

"We shall make no distinction between the terroists and those that harbor them..." GW

Time to bomb EGGD's house I guess.

 Insane


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

I think claiming US businessneses are funding the IRA is way off the wall, I can make a better argument that European and UK businesses are funding HAMAS, Alqaeda etc. But im not going there.

Our European Allies had no problem twisting President Clinton's arm into sending US troops into Kosovo when there was no UN mandate or iminent threat to the rest of Europe from Milosivic . The majority of US citizens opposed such military participation in domestic European affairs ,which hurt our relationship with Russia and China after a mistaken bombing of their belgrade embassy.

The Country of Afghanistan was not responsible for the 9-11 attacks, International terrorist cells who were being hosted by the Taliban regime commited the 9-11 attacks. The US took down the Taliban leadership and is presently mopping up various cells remaining in Afghanistan.

This is only a first step, US forces are working in the Philipines and other areas where Alqaeda is know to have operatives. US forces are "island hopping" (to quote a WWII phrase) in persuit of terrorists who threaten US security, and under International law the US has every right to go into "hot persuit" of international criminals.

The debate in the US is whether or not the Iraqi Government presents a "clear and present danger" to US security, and if so how should we respond. It's obvious that Europeans do not feel this danger from Iraq, on the contrary many would like to do business with Iraq. In the US the Ameircan public has voiced it's opinion that they feel the threat of Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction joining forces with criminal groups of such inhumanity like Al Qaeda is real and warrants imediate action

So it's unrealastic to let European views dominate the US debate on Iraq because they obvious have less to lose should Iraq develope into Nuclear state that supports terrorist groups who want war with the US.

The question of Iraq is for the US to decide since we are the ones who are threatened, and would be the ones to act (alone if need be).

No journalists have been fired, no American citizens are being denied due process of the courts. There are many Alqaeda combatants who are being held in various locations, but under International treaty the US is not obligated to do anything with them until the hostilities cease.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

STT757: Finally someone who is not drooling and remains to be fair. Thank you.

Our European Allies had no problem twisting President Clinton's arm into sending US troops into Kosovo when there was no UN mandate or iminent threat to the rest of Europe from Milosivic.

Partially true. Before troops were sent there was an UN mandate. It was the first time since WW2 German troops were engaged in war and a mandate was a must-have. It is true that the U.S. hesitated a long time and called a war against the Serbs "not doable". later Mrs Albright was the major force behind sending troops - not that I criticize that. Anyway, there was an UN mandate ..

,which hurt our relationship with Russia and China after a mistaken bombing of their belgrade embassy.

... but not for bombing China's embassy.  Big grin

The US took down the Taliban leadership and is presently mopping up various cells remaining in Afghanistan

It is not only the U.S. and we are not discussing Afghanistan here.

The debate in the US is whether or not the Iraqi Government presents a "clear and present danger" to US security, and if so how should we respond. It's obvious that Europeans do not feel this danger from Iraq,

Everyone sees the danger. The question is: How shall we face this danger. The loud thinking of the U.S. administration is one way but maybe not the best.
And please keep in mind that Europe is closer to the Middle-East. A large number of Muslims and Arabs are living here and it is not unlikely that an armed conflict would affect Europe more than the U.S.

on the contrary many would like to do business with Iraq.

Ahem, to the contrary of American companies of course ...

No journalists have been fired,

Not counting Bill Maher for example. Maher characterized U.S. military actions as "cowardly." I refuse to agree but this opinion should not lead into taking out an office.

no American citizens are being denied due process of the courts.

It is not only judge Damon J. Keith's opinion that secret hearings should be opened. A non-public process may be justified but those arrested should at least be allowed to contact lawyers.

Regards,
NoUFO

Reportedly



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

On the other hand: Dan mentioned why he made up his mind to start this topic and it is not very hard to see that this has something to do with the Iraq.

EGGD, how do you mean about the USA using 11 September 2001 as an excuse? The war on Iraq?

Jesus H. Christ-NOTHING IS GOING ON IN IRAQ!!! WHAT "WAR" ARE YOU REFERRING TO?? Amazing!! There is no invasion underway; no carpet-bombing, no missiles flying to Baghdad. It's AMAZING how worked up some quarters of the world are over somthing that hasn't happened to a nation that has, over the last 20 years, started 2 major conflicts!!! Until there's a reason to bitch about an attack on Iraq, stop bitching about nothing!


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Alpha 1
Well, your president is talking as there is already war going on. If Bush says war is the only solution... But I'm pretty sure that EGGD is talking not only about the way the USA deals with Iraq, there are pretty more examples.

Only 51% of the Americans would support an attack on Iraq, last December 70% would have. Wonder how many of the know where Iraq is and how the people over there are ...



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User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7166 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

maybe he means the way when anything in the aviation industry gets cut/goes bankrupt it is blamed on the events that happened on the 11th Sept 2001, which I think is not true in many cases & is just used as an umbrella for any blame. Case in point, Ansett going under, but that was nothing to do with Sept 11.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

But I'm pretty sure that EGGD is talking not only about the way the USA deals with Iraq, there are pretty more examples.

Then I'd like to hear them. It's all well and good to say there are "pretty more examples", but when you don't elaborate, then it seems pretty hollow.

And Mx_5boy, it tells me something about your character when an airline going out of business distresses you more than the murder of 3000 people.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Please stop acting like 9-11 has become the be all/end all excuse for everything. It's as tiring as those that use the 9-11 events for personal gain.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

"Not counting Bill Maher for example. Maher characterized U.S. military actions as "cowardly." I refuse to agree but this opinion should not lead into taking out an office."

Bill Maher is a comedian, not a journalist. His show was not renewed by ABC, he was not cancelled. He went on to do many more shows until the contract with ABC ended, happens all the time in the tv biz.

He was not critisizing the current US response, he was critisizing the response Former President Clinton took in '98 against Al Qaeda by "launching crusie missles into the night" without knowing if they hit UBL.

No one has ever gotten fired for critisizing Bill Clinton, in fact there are many folks who's whole career revolves around critisizing that guy.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

STT757: so, Bill Maher is a comedian. Then a comedian, not a journalist, was fired, because in his comedy he criticized military actions. Sounds much better ..
You said Mahers contract ended. This is - of course - what ABC says. Maybe they are right, maybe not.

As for "true" journalists: they seem to having a hard time getting their critical voices published (sources: American guest writers published in Die Zeit, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Sueddeutsche Zeitung - definitely no anti-American papers).

No one has ever gotten fired for critisizing Bill Clinton, ...

I didn't even mention the Clinton administration!? Dan said that 9/11 was frequently used as an excuse and I provided some examples. Clinton was before 9/11.

Regards,
NoUFO



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Right ok..

It seems obvious that, anything that is said that might just be an opposition opinion of the majority (the vocal majority at least), is obviously going to be jumped upon by many... I would have thought that there could be at least a decent argument to be had here, in fact not an argument at all, just...

In fact, your right. I don't know what I was thinking. I should just keep my opinion to myself, because it is wrong.

I really find it hard to find the effort now, to find some examples to backup my argument (yeah.. thats obviously why my english test scores are so bad right now), its obvious that there are enterpretations to everything that i've misunderstood that would make more sense..

maybe he means the way when anything in the aviation industry gets cut/goes bankrupt it is blamed on the events that happened on the 11th Sept 2001, which I think is not true in many cases & is just used as an umbrella for any blame. Case in point, Ansett going under, but that was nothing to do with Sept 11.

yes... but i'm looking at this broader than just aviation, there is no particular point that I can put my finger on right now. We could blame the downturn in aviation totally on 9/11, but since it was predicted anyway that would be false. But i'm not talking about blaming everything that has happened on 9/11, but what might happen, like that because of those attacks we are morally allowed to something that would be otherwise unacceptable.

"We shall make no distinction between the terroists and those that harbor them..." GW

Time to bomb EGGD's house I guess.


Apathoid - I find it hard (as per bloody usual) to interpret what you are trying to say here. Are you seeing me as a sympathizer to Al Queada and other terrorist organizations? I'm not sympathizing...

What I am trying to say is, and I still haven't thought about this enough... Actions can be justified, but these people, terrorists, whatever, should have been dealt with when a threat first appeared. It seems that only now the USA seem to be taking action against these people just because they hurt them in some way (killing innocent people, destroying a symbol of american pride). What about the situation in Afghanistan? Surely, if the WTC were still standing today, so would the Al Queada empire.

I'm pretty sure what I just said was completely different to what I meant in the original post.. oh well. I'm off to go look more into why there is going to surely be a war against Iraq now..


25 STT757 : NoUFO The comments that Bill Maher made about US military action being "cowardly" was made in reference to President Bill Clinton sending Cruise miss
26 Heavymetal : Please Stop Using 9/11 As An Excuse. No. Please stop treating 9/11 like some harmless IRA car bombing in an empty parking lot. Ask yourself the UK's r
27 Jcxp15 : The Europeans just don't understand us... They don't understand that without us, so many things would be so much different for them. For example, we (
28 KaiTakFan : Thank god for people like Heavy Metal and Jcxp, that step up and talk since in silly little threads like this. EGGD no offense but I think your though
29 Alpha 1 : Actions can be justified, but these people, terrorists, whatever, should have been dealt with when a threat first appeared. A monday-morning quarterba
30 Post contains images NoUFO : Sometimes some of you yanks are really hard to understand. Prices for oil would skyrocket in Europe if the US stopped to import oil? Hello? Since when
31 Paulc : It would be good if people remembered that there were not just americans killed in the 9/11 attacks - people from many nationalities were killed. 9/11
32 Go Canada! : Im sorry, i really dont mean to be rude bu EGGD what is your point, you havent said it yourself-why is 9/11 an excuse and for what?????? "Please stop
33 Arsenal@LHR : "Please stop treating 9/11 like some harmless IRA car bombing in an empty parking lot. " thats uncalled for, it doesnt matter whether one person is ki
34 Alpha 1 : Those arrogant allocations of guilt, sentimental patriotic fuss and this be-glad-we-are-around attitude - can get on one's nerves. Too friggin' bad fo
35 Heavymetal : So now I'm getting lectured for lecturing a lecturer. Let me repeat a fact: No one single event in the battle between Brits and Irish compares to 9/11
36 Arsenal@LHR : So you see, we do have a history of taking at least some of your worldly advice Hmmm.......indeed you might do, but not some of your fellow countrymen
37 KaiTakFan : Arsenal, I agree with you that some of our "countrymen" on A.net dont seem to take much advice from Europe. But come on, has it not been a fact that i
38 Bigo747 : Apparently "9.11" has become a new word that equivalents to "Terrorism". So I'm not sure if this is an excuse.
39 GDB : The IRA exploded massive bombs in London in 1992/3, only good fortune prevented a massacre, also the case with the Manchester bomb in 1996. Some 4000
40 Heavymetal : Once again: You've never had a 9/11. I'm not keen on getting into some morbid "my terror event's better than your terror event" pissing match, but loo
41 JetService : Arsenal, most of the 'advice' thrown our way is coming from people that despise us and our country. I'm not talking about you of course, but would you
42 747-451 : Intersting how people forget it was not "just 9/11". First, It was 3000 murdered people creamated under my window. I wonder if you would feel the same
43 GDB : I'm afraid there were a lot of those 'quacks', and nothing was ever done about the NORAID fund raisers, almost no one believed they were 'raising mone
44 STT757 : " stolen from a Boston National Guard Armoury" And how does this support the notion of US support for the IRA, Boston's full of Irish immigrants, some
45 STT757 : I think the IRA and Hamas, Islamic Jihad etc are all the crap of the Earth. Yet many of the folks posting on these boards slam one and are sympathetic
46 Toady : "Britain should get out of Northern Ireland." Maybe you don't understand that Northern Ireland is part of Britain. Saying that Britain should get out
47 STT757 : I don't see Hawaiins spitting on little Catholic girls on their way to school, and I don't see them car bombing LA either. If you want to make a US-UK
48 Post contains images STT757 : Funny you should mention Hawaii, ever notice the Union Jack is their flag (well almost).
49 Heavymetal : The only Puerto Rican terrorist I know is Ron Bacardi.....whenever here's around I get bo..... Never mind.
50 KaiTakFan : STT, what good do you think it would do for Israel and GB to run away from their lands in fear of terrorist acts? As much as the Jihad loving bastards
51 NWA742 : Alpha, Swissgabe amuses me more than bothers me. What DOES bothers me is having a post that was responding to a flamebait cheapshot deleted for being
52 STT757 : Hey I don't think Israel should do anything but kick terrorists ass, and I don't think the UK should surrender to the IRA. But if hostilities were to
53 Post contains images STT757 : Heavymetal "The only Puerto Rican terrorist I know is Ron Bacardi..... ' I've been to his bomb factory (distilary) in San Juan myself, and experienced
54 Toady : Puerto Rico is a commonwealth associated with the US. It's not part of the US in the same way as NI is part of Britain. "I don't see Hawaiins spitting
55 KaiTakFan : NWA742, excellent post there my friend! I am amazed so many of us failed to mention the little issue so many of our Euro buddies like to bring up. The
56 ARSENAL@LHR : NI is Britain. How can you get out of your own country? LOL Yeah, how do you actually do that.? Anyway, ever realised most NIer's want to remain part
57 GDB : STT757, the majority of the N.I. population want to stay as part of the UK (unfortunately in the view of most in the UK I suspect). Yes Catholic child
58 STT757 : Please don't take Mickey Rourke seriously, go see one of his movies the guys a moron. I think the images of Catholic girls being spit upon by mobs of
59 STT757 : No one has ever mentioned why the need for this thread, "Please Stop Using 9/11 As An Excuse" Who's making excuses? For what?
60 GDB : How many Irish Americans saw images of Loyalists being burned out of their homes by Nationalist mobs? Pictures of civilians, including kids, murdered
61 Post contains images ADG : GDB, Haven't you heard .. there is now an operation to rebuild your innocence so you can lose it over and over again VH-ADG
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