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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

I am so tired of hearing whiny greens, social dems, socialists, and liberals in Europe whine about their nation's support for the U.S.. Seriously, all things considered if it wasnt for U.S. action in Europe in WWII and especially in protecting Britain and France, you guys would have been goose-stepping into the 50's. The entire Jewish population of Europe would have been destroyed, and Europe definitely would not be the same today. Dont give the same old crap that it was an "allied" effort, sure it was, but without American involvement there is no doubt that London and eventually all of England would have eventually been taken by the Nazis. Not only that but the Marshall Plan effectively rebuilt Europe using American money. What would have happened if the U.S. had not instituted the Marshall Plan, well its fairly simple, Europe would still be 20 years behind. The Americans did the hard stuff in WW2...invading Italy, having to go through the most difficult beach heads in Normandie, not to mention pushing the Nazis all the way back to Berlin. Is there a reason why we had to do all the hard, death-defying tasks in Europe, yeah, because we knew that Britain and France wouldnt have been able to pull it off. Next time, you want to criticize the U.S.'s war policies in the present just imagine the extinction of an entire religion and a Western Europe that is 20 years behind everyone else. I dont care that individuals are against the U.S., I'm just pissed that these governments are still asking "What have you done for me?" Of course there are nations in Europe that actually value and like Americans, Norway, Greece, Poland, to name a few, but Europe has to realize that the U.S. bailed them out and that they still owe us for it, and the least the could do is at least support us as we try to dispose of a leader that has used chemical and biological weapons against his own people.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Of course there are nations in Europe that actually value and like Americans, Norway, Greece, Poland, to name a few

Actually, Greece has always had sour relations with the U.S. This is mostly because of the U.S.'s close relationship with Turkey.


User currently offlineKolobokman From Russia, joined Oct 2000, 1180 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Give me a date or a number, for how many more years MUST Europe support American war policies? What does it say in the contract?




I can neither confirm, nor deny above post
User currently offlineWestjet_737 From Japan, joined Nov 1999, 869 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

I dont want to start a huge war here, but the soviets did more to end WWII than the allies. The soviets got to berlin before the allies did, why do you think the country was divided up for so long?

The war in Western Europe, did nothing but take some of Hitlers troops away from the Eastern Front (Where the Nazis were defeated the hardest.

Im not going to even touch on the topic brought up. I just wish to provide the real historical facts.


User currently offlineBarcode From Switzerland, joined Dec 2001, 678 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Have you ever heard of paragraphs ? I'm told they make posts much easier to read and avoid the notion that you posess the grammatical capabilities of 50 monkeys banging away in a random fashion at 50 typewriters.

Now, simply because you guys were of assistance in a war that happened FIFTY odd years ago does not mean *I* ( who was not even born until 1981 ) should remain forever in your debt. The analogy is quite ridiculous - no one should be " obliged " to support someone if they fundementally disagree with the policy employed to carry something out.

I'm also in awe of your ability to predict what would have happened - " without a doubt " ... yes, I'm certain that you have an insight into an alternative timeline that us mere mortals evidently do not posess.

You wonder why some of us don't support you ? Well it is in your face opinions like this that get our backs up. Some of us don't care for this bragging and " your owe us " attitude ... it comes off as supercilious and entirely unecessary.

You also do not appear to be able to make the logical distinction between disagreeing with American POLICY and American PEOPLE. This may be difficult for you to comprehend, but try listening very carefully. I dislike the policies George Bush is implementing over Iraq and other things such as the environmental summit in South Africa. This is NOT a reflection on Americans personally, American culture or anything else. Yet, I am sick to death of people yelling " you're anti American !! " because I dared to express an opinion against a POLITICAL IDEALOGY.

Meanwhile, the tone that is apparent in your post just serves to reinforce the opinions of those you are protesting against ...


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

While I do agree with Jcs to some extent, I am not going to touch this thread anymore than I already have, because it is a ticking time bomb.

RUN!


User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

What amazes me is the belief that the US aided Europe in the defeat of Hitler and after that the rebuilding, because they wanted something in return! I would think you would help a friend in need without any expectations, or not help him at all. Certainly, the US wasn't expecting a "gift" in return, were they?!?!?

It is much more honorable to help and not request anything in return. The way the ones you helped act, on their own, without pressure, after you have helped them, speaks volumes. If you pressure them it's cheap and petty, you are implying that the help in liberating Europe was just a business deal from which the US could reap benefits later, certainly that's what the idea appears to be here...



User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

I do not believe Europe owes the U.S. anymore for World War II. 60 years of alliance and Friendship, and being on the front line in Europe during the Cold War has paid off any debt "owed" to the U.S. I do think, however, with the passing of time, there is not the appreciation of what the U.S. did during-and after-the war, to help Europe. It wasn't just the troops we sent, but the US truly became the "aresenal of democracy", with the armaments that were vital to defeat Hitler and Japan; it wasn't just winning the war that was important, but it was winning the peace afterwards, with the Marshall Plan and stopping the Soviet Union from advancing further west.

I don't believe there is enough historical appreciation by the generations that have come since the late 1960's for what the U.S. did to help Europe, but I can't subscribe to the belief that Europe owes the U.S. still.

I dont want to start a huge war here, but the soviets did more to end WWII than the allies.

I do not agree-it was a shared effort. The Western allies would not have have been able to invade Normandy and plow in from the west had the Red Army not neutralized much of the Wermacht in the East. Conversely, the Red Army probably would not have been able to inflict the damage on the Germans like they did had the the UK and US not bombed the living shit out of the Germans for 24/7 for like 3 years. The other side needed the other to succeed.

Give me a date or a number, for how many more years MUST Europe support American war policies?

What war policies are those, Kolobokman? And if you say Iraq, I'm going to reach through the World Wide Web and punch you in the nose!  Wink/being sarcastic There is no "war" in Iraq right now, so don't even go there?

Explain, will you?


User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

on one hand, we did rebuild a lot of europe (the DC3 i mean marshall plan)

but on the other hand, the people of europe are not the people of america and they have their own ideas.

but on the first hand, they do owe us big.

but on the other hand again, that doesn't necessarily mean full support on everything, money would be nice.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

WestJet: At the same time though, the Soviets werent just trying to get the Germans out of their front yard, they had aspirations of gaining land for the Soviet Union in the process of driving the Germans back to Berlin.

Barcode: Correcting grammar mistakes...the cry of the loser! Anyway, I am glad Tony Blair has stood up and done the right thing in supporting his best ally. He's no Margaret Thatcher, but he'll have to do. As for the British citizens themselves, well, they are starting to make the French look like a logical group of people. I could care less about your political beliefs, but now that you mention it, it sounds like you are another just young person of Europe who has been taught to believe that capitalism and "imperialism" is a sin against humanity, and that the U.S. is responsible for all of the ills in the world. Get off your high horse and realize that, in actuality, Britain was the most imperialistic nation (not America!) in the world during the early 1900s. Oh, yeah I forgot to include the fact that Europe couldnt do anything in Yugoslavia either, so the U.S. again had to be called in....Europe certainly wasnt against us then, and sadly when the next problem erupts in Europe the U.S. will most likely have to come in and help out. Europe is like the bratty kid of America, its only polite and friendly when it wants something. P.S.--did you like my use of paragraphs (Oh yeah, sorry, I'm just a dumb American. What would I know?).



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineBarcode From Switzerland, joined Dec 2001, 678 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Errrrrr no, I just prefer to read things that are legible. My eyes start to glaze over when the text runs on and on - call it a short attention span.

No, I don't think the USA is responsible for everything that is wrong in the world: I simply disagree with the policy regarding Iraq - why is that an issue ? I'm not the one stating that I am better than anybody else merely because of my place of birth. I have no wish to brow beat others with proclomations of how wonderful Great Britain is, and how the rest of the world should thank us for certain things.

Doesn't that attitude strike you as a little ... condescending ? Whether it is true or not is besides the point - no one likes to hear a braggart.

As for the " dumb American " remark - you clearly have some insecurities, since if you read my post you will see I've not made a reference to such a thing. I suspect my hypothesis is correct as evidenced by your zealous rants on how great America is, and how the rest of the world owes you for events that happened fifty years ago.

If your reasoning is correct and not as fallacious as I suspect ... then you should also be paying slave reparations, as your ancestors had slaves in the early nineteenth century as well. It would be your responsibility to owe something to the descendants.

If you think otherwise, then you should also ask yourself why we need to feel a responsibility for events that happened in the past also. Your argument bears no relevance to the here and now and is logically flawed.

Please, continue ...


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13184 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

Doh!
The UK is STILL paying off WW2 military aid, will be until 2003, only small now amounts though.
Before the US decided to enter WW2, nothing was for free, we were bankrupted in a matter of months, after that arms were paid for in overseas bases. (who's being 'imperialist' now?)
It was the UK who stood up to Hitler, alone between June 1940 and July 1941-when Russia was attacked.
The only NATO nation prepared to go all the way in Kosovo in 1999 was the UK, it wasn't needed in the end, but rules of engagement insisted by the US, to prevent casualties, made that operation a close run thing for a time.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

Basically, all I am saying is that countries such as the UK, should just be a little bit more supportive of U.S. efforts around the Europe. I could care less about European nations committing troops, although it would certainly be a welcome gesture, all I want is for Europe to "grin and bear it" (as Vladimir Putin has done with some of our policies), and just stop hanging the US out to dry.

If I am not mistaken, it was the English who started the slave trade as early as the 1600s. Slavery reparations in the US is actually just a blatantly racist idea and 95% of white Americans are against it. The reason why there is no relevance there is because the last of the slave owners and slaves died around a hundred years ago. Last time I checked, my grandfather, who fought for Europe's freedom is still alive.

As for the USA, its a great country, and in MY PERSONAL OPINION (please note: this is my personal opinion and I do not ask others to share it) the best in the world. I love Europe, all of the countries I have visited there are truly awesome (including Britain), but I dont think that I could ever live there for more than 6 months, it is just way too socialist in most places for my liking.

Just getting back on the soapbox one more time here; I feel that certain groups of Americans go to Europe and think that it will be like visiting Orlando. And they go over to Europe with an arrogant attitude and expect everyone to cater to their every whim. (I once saw a southern lady just bitch out a waiter in London because he didnt put enough ice in her drink...it made me sick). And that is why I have sent letters to my congressman asking that white-trash Americans should not be allowed to leave this country under any circumstances.  Big grin



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Whoa JCS, first off, I commend you for what you are saying, it takes balls to say that kind of stuff, but you are wrong when it comes to the UK

Basically, all I am saying is that countries such as the UK, should just be a little bit more supportive of U.S. efforts around the Europe

The UK is our GREATEST ALLY, there is no question about that. They have been supporting us as much as they can without becoming the 51st US State!

Unlike most of do nothing Europe, the UK stands by the US 100%. They were one of the first to send their condolences after 9/11 and they are a major player when it comes to the war on terror.


User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Hmmm....I can see some of the logic in your reasoning, but I think this is perhaps a little uncalled for right now.

I'm not too happy with Germany's support of the US...France isn't really a factor (never was). However, GB is a great ally.

Will be interesting to see how this one pans out. Kinda suprised it's got a 3 star rating.


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

IMO the russians did much more to end WW2.
The USA could not have done it w/o russia. Russia most liekly could not have done it w/o the US but.... Just look at things like casualties, land taken, duration of fighting... The russians were a driving force... I couldn't imagine what would have happend had the US had to take Berlin.... I don't think they would have, sort of like main-land japan.


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Jcs17 - Tony Blair is no Margaret Thatcher.

Well thank God!

The rest of your post in nonsense by the way. Where the hell did you get the idea the UK was anti-US.

By the way, I am absolutely sick and tired of the American people for not recognising the fact that the US basically owes its existence to the UK. If it weren't for us there would be no US, and it is about time you incorporated the Union Jack into the US flag  Big grin



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

The US still owes Europe, big time...
We paid for building your towns, your road network. We paid for the wagon trains that took people west to explore and settle the continent.
We paid to bring people to the Americas.
And then you betrayed us by declaring independence.
No reparations were ever paid for that...




I wish I were flying
User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

your army was a 100 times bigger and still got it's ass kicked!

User currently offlinePaulc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

jcs17,

your attitude is why americans get 'bashed' on this forum - you seen unable to view things from a non US point of view and do not like it if people are critical of the USA and its policy.

As for WW2 yes - the USA did give a lot of help but only after the war had been going for some time (lot of behind the scenes support though) but that does not give you the right to dismiss the difficult things the rest of us did during that time - it was not only americans who invaded on D-day - please try and remember that. America was lucky during WW2 in that there was no threat of invasion or bombing raids or V1 (later V2) - unlike the UK who did suffer these things. Please also remember who suffered the most casualties in WW2 - Russia (20million approx I think) - their efforts on the eastern front would have diverted valuable resources away from western europe, making invasion a much better prospect for success.

As for your support during the current situation - i think you will find the UK has been and will continue to be 100% behind you and blair will no doubt play a key role in getting the support of other european nations.

Just because europe is full of whiney greens, social dems, socialists and liberals (your words) (it is not really but as you said you are a dumb american  Smile does not mean you will not get support where justified.

As for the bratty kid of america remark - bratty kids eventually grow up and mature - i hope that someday america will mature sufficienty to realise that there are other people whose opinions are worth listening to and respecting.

ps - have visited the usa many times and found the people to be great - unfortunatley this does not mean we have to agree with everthing america says or does.




English First, British Second, european Never!
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

I think someone has a very thin skin ...

:D

Using the same theory, America as we know it wouldn't exist except for Europe so not only does America owe Europe, the debt is older.

What a silly topic to start ..................




VH-ADG


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

You know what I think.

Europe does owe the US a lot.

But a good neighbor doesn't need to shove it down their throats constantly.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Well, we've found the reason of the Euro-US bashing recently, with comments like this made by some arrogant American who thinks that he/she is above everyone else. Europe does not owe US anything, and US doesnt owe Europe anything.
So no Europe bashing, and no US bashing!  Angry



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3353 times:

Ryanb747 - obviously you've never seen the Hawaii State Flag!  Big grin

Boeing_in_PDX - you're forgetting the fact that the American forces were completely useless ... a rag-tag citizen force ... that actually relied on Prussian and French mercenaries to do their fighting for them!  Big grin


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3353 times:

Damm SAS23,

Still can't live down the fact that Cornwallis got is arse kicked???

As far as the mercinaries go, The Hessians(Prussians) where actually in the employ of the King and got slaughters after a secret christmas day attack, They made a very famous painting of the General in Charge crossing the Delaware River during the night for the attack.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
25 BCal DC10 : The Americans did the hard stuff in WW2...invading Italy, having to go through the most difficult beach heads in Normandie, not to mention pushing th
26 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : What do you expect in a MUTUAL partnership - one side always saying "Sir, yes sir, you´re so right, sir!" ? It´s part of partnership and friendship
27 Krushny : Jcs17, as for WWII, do you know the meaning of the word TEAMWORK? The USA would not have been able to win the war alone... And it did not exactly tak
28 Teva : Do you know that withou France, the USA would maybe still be a Brittish colony? La Fayette came to help your independance. And later, Napoleon sold th
29 Alessandro : Well, USA was founded by Europeans, so who owes who is hard to tell? I think without a healthy economy in Europe and US the living standards on both c
30 Post contains links and images Arsenal@LHR : Dont give the same old crap that it was an "allied" effort, sure it was, but without American involvement there is no doubt that London and eventually
31 Alpha 1 : But let me tell you, if it wasn't for the great leadership and skills of the legendary Sir Winston Churchill and the resilience of the British people,
32 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : You see Jcs17, even Alpha 1 agrees with us to a certain extent.
33 Post contains images Alpha 1 : And Aresenal, that assessment was NOT a put-down of Britian, I hope you know. Just an unbiased appraisal looking back 60 years now.
34 Ryanb741 : Put it this way - the UK witheld the Germans for a heck of a long time. BUT, if the Germans hadn't screwed up against the Russians or if the US hadn't
35 Jcs17 : BCal: I dont care what gramps says about Normandy, consult most history books or watch a documentary about it and it usually documented that the U.S.
36 SAS23 : Rather more interesting would have been the scenario of what would the Americans had done if Britain had fallen in Operation Sealion in 1940. They wou
37 GDB : The ultimate key to WW2 was atomic weapons, guess where many Manhattan Project scientists came from? You've got it, the UK-and many of the scientists
38 Sebolino : I guess nobody is denying the importance of US help for Europe during WWII. But I still don't see why Europe should always agree with US now. And it's
39 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : SAS23 describes an interesting scenario: "the scenario of what would the Americans had done if Britain had fallen in Operation Sealion in 1940." True,
40 Arsenal@LHR : Sorry, but most of your posts arent exactly unbiased either and written by strictly European points of view. How ironic? This whole thread is from an
41 Bravo45 : Alpha1!"I do not believe Europe owes the U.S. anymore for World War II. 60 years of alliance and Friendship, and being on the front line in Europe dur
42 Post contains images BWIrwy4 : SAS23: "Boeing_in_PDX - you're forgetting the fact that the American forces were completely useless ... a rag-tag citizen force ... that actually reli
43 Post contains images ADG : BCal: I dont care what gramps says about Normandy, consult most history books or watch a documentary about it and it usually documented that the U.S.
44 Donder10 : Of course there are nations in Europe that actually value and like Americans, Norway, Greece, Poland, to name a few, but Europe has to realize that th
45 Post contains images Klaus : Jcs17: Many Europeans are angry the way that American society and institutions have infiltrated their nations (it is understandable though), and the w
46 BCal DC10 : BCal: I dont care what gramps says about Normandy, consult most history books or watch a documentary about it and it usually documented that the U.S.
47 Jcs17 : ADG, your personal attacks are very distasteful and in fact makes you look like the jackasses that I described above. The fact that you even mention V
48 Alpha 1 : Rather more interesting would have been the scenario of what would the Americans had done if Britain had fallen in Operation Sealion in 1940. They wou
49 L-188 : of course the Germans had developed long range bombers capable of striking the east coast of the US ... Whereas the Americans had nothing that could h
50 L-188 : Oh and Btw, The Convair B-36 was under development throughout the war and was specked out with the mission of being able to carry out bomb raids again
51 ADG : ADG, your personal attacks are very distasteful and in fact makes you look like the jackasses that I described above. There were no personal attacks o
52 Jcs17 : ADG, say what you want about America, I'm tired of having to post stuff on this thread. I'm just glad we arent the UKs bitch like you guys still are!
53 EGGD : ADG - I'm pretty sure the USA didn't participate in WWI until 1917 either.
54 Post contains images Rai : Greece has shown some willingness to support the US. I don't know why you keep saying that Greece is willing to support the U.S. My mother is from Gre
55 777236ER : I'm tired of having to post stuff on this thread. Lol, so you post a controversial topic then leave when you get bored?
56 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : ADG, say what you want about America, I'm tired of having to post stuff on this thread When the tough get's going, the going get's tough. Funny to rea
57 Post contains images Glenn : Actually I think America owes Europe for allowing it to get involved in their war. After all, the American economy blossoms from War. And on another n
58 Manni : Reading and laufhing! Keep them coming guys, but remember... some things aren't for sale... atleast not in Europe.
59 Post contains images Glenn : Might I also Point out that if it wasn't for the Russians taking care of half the German Army from the other side, not even the help of the Americans
60 L-188 : Glenn, buddy.. I hate it to break it to you but Bruce Willis is German.... Born March 19, 1955 in Idar-Oberstein, West Germany to be exact...
61 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Actually I think America owes Europe for allowing it to get involved in their war. If you're discussing WWII, you don't have a clue. The ONLY reason t
62 Galaxy5 : The original post hit the nail on the head. Maybe the reason America is so pro-active with regards to strikes is because we know that if we wait for t
63 Post contains images NZ767 : I agree wholeheartedly Galxy. If it wasn't for you Yanks coming in, Britain would've lost against the Argentines in 1982.
64 Nik : Galaxy, I too agree completely. We are all incompetent idiots. Of course we should just do what you say. Why should we have any freedom to do what we
65 Airplay : The US hasn't been around for very long on a global scale. As a matter of fact they have pretty much been a non-issue before the 1900s. The fact that
66 Barcode : Americans teach kids global warming doesn't exist, so I'm really not surprised at some of the views being espoused here. If we disagree with a politic
67 FDXmech : But let's get serious. If it wasn't for Europe, there would be NO USA. And.......... If my grandma had balls, she'd be my grandpa. That's true.
68 FDXmech : Americans teach kids global warming doesn't exist, so I'm really not surprised at some of the views being espoused here. Really, do dinosaurs live her
69 Barcode : Well, George Bush is the president ... so yeah, I'd say Dinosaurs are still roaming the earth. I'm serious, in a friends State she ( and the school sh
70 Jcs17 : Sorry, about my previous statement about leaving this thread, some of these posts are so lame they have to be addressed. Barcode, get a clue about the
71 Jcs17 : Well, George Bush is the president ... so yeah, I'd say Dinosaurs are still roaming the earth Barcode, get an education and stop making all Europeans
72 Nik : "Barcode, get a clue about the U.S. educational system, it is run by liberals. You learn all about global warming in grammar school. I've had global w
73 Barcode : Is there something wrong with being liberal now ? I recounted *one* experience in *one* school in *one* state. I hardly inferred that was representati
74 Airplay : If the US believed in Global Warming they would ratify Kyoto....or is just they they are too greedy and wish to maintain thier wonderful capitalist li
75 Capt.Picard : These threads are always entertaining. Seriously.
76 Post contains images Nz767 : Yep, seriously entertaining!
77 Jcs17 : Frankly, you've come off as an arrogant asshole who posesses the IQ of a chair throughout this debate. I love it when you talk dirty to me! What kind
78 Barcode : Excuse me ? I " insulted " you. Look who set this thread off - you seem convinced that Americans are somehow superior to the rest of the world, and th
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