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Station Wagons: Will There Be A Renaissance?  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6499 times:

Who would have ever thought that the ‘retro car’ would become a trend in automobiles? The VW Bug, Chrysler PT Cruiser, Ford Thunderbird, Plymouth Prowler and Mini Cooper have made come backs.
SUVs were considered a cool alternative to mini-vans and station wagons, now there kind of a typical family vehicle and everybody knows someone that has one.
I am curious if there will be a renaissance of the large station wagon.
Chrysler already has a concept station wagon called the Pacifica and Citadel.
I’d love to see Ford make a wagon out of the Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis.
The ultimate would be a wagon version of the current Mercury Grand Marquis with wood grain side panels, 7.3 liter power stroke turbo diesel engine, 4X4 drive and a power glass moon roof.  Smokin cool


The roomiest, most powerful station wagon ever had to be the 1994-1996 Buick Roadmaster estate wagons. They had a 350cu” V8 that put out 260HP and got 25MPG! They also had a ‘vista roof’.
Too bad GM discontinued these in at the Arlington, Texas plant in favor of more SUVs.


Chrysler Pacifica (concept)


Chrysler Citadel



Ford (this is a prototype and does not exist)



AH, the good ol' days. Big grin

1975-1978 Ford LTD Country Squire


1975-1978 Mercury Colony Park




The greatest wagon ever!
1994-1996 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon


The AMC Eagles were way ahead of there time.
A four wheel drive family vehicle (1979-1988)
And what's the trend today?


I don't care what any of guys think, station wagons are STILL cool!  Laugh out loud  Smokin cool
1971 Plymouth Satellite



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User currently offlineHurricane From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Well, I know that Ford is planning to switch the Mercury Sable from a Taurus-lookalike to a sports wagon like the very successful Subaru Outback. And you do see those Volvo's everywhere, so maybe......But I still think the SUV has replaced the station wagon as the quintessential family car. Besides Volvos, how many wagons do you see running around anyway?

I do think that Crown Vic station wagon photoshop (pretty certain it's not a prototype...) looks pretty cool though!!!


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

Superfly, I gotta agree with you, station wagons are awesome...much better than SUVs.

But, to say the Roadmaster is the most powerful station wagon ever built isn't entirely true. Audi is pumping out some pretty high powered production wagons, including the 340hp S6 Avant. BMW aswell, having a 290hp 5-series wagon. Production cars, but not something that you'll have parked in the driveway across the street most likely. There are also some other quite powerful wagons (ie: Volvo V70), although I don't know of any other which are as powerful as the Roadmaster.

Speaking of the Roadmaster. I know a guy who is on a funny car team who has one. Lots of performance mods, almost 500hp. Metallic blue which changes shades depending on angle, ghost flames, etc. Its one amazing wagon...really turns heads.


User currently offlineHurricane From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

Just a side question....
Superfly, is there any place in particular that you find those old car ads? Flee.com (where pic is hosted....) is...er...not old car ads.....
Thx.........


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6432 times:

Hurricane:
I got these pictures from various websites.

http://www.stationwagon.com

http://www.motorcities.com

http://www.arcticboy.com

I did a google 'image' search and typed the kinds of cars I was looking for also.



Flyf15:
I am sure some of those bmws and Volvo wagons can put out lots of horsepower but in terms of low-end torqe and ability to pull a boat and seat 8 - 9 passengers comfortably.
I doubt any of those Eurowagons can do that.








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User currently offlineHurricane From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

The supposed new Sable:



Thx Superfly...


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Hmmm, that Sable just has a different grille and headlight assembly.
It's still the same car.
As much as I love my Fords, the Taurus/Sable is an embarassment. It puzzles me as to how they sale so well.  Confused
It has to be the ugliest thing Ford made since the Maverick.



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User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6415 times:

The Crown Victoria Wagon prototype is a lot uglier than the Sable!

R41


User currently offlineBizJets From France, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

Superfly -->

This is the roomiest, most powerful station wagon ever:



The Audi RS6 with a Bi-Turbo V8 producing a whopping 450 horsepower... Big grin

I really like wagons...


Ford Mondeo Wagon (Why Ford insists on selling their ugly stuff here in the US is beyond reasoning... I like this Mondeo design)


Audi A4 Wagon


VW Passat W8 Wagon


Audi RS4 Wagon


The Audi Allroad Quattro - the true SUV, and my all time favorite car.


Bizjets  Smile


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

Bizjets:
WHAT?  Confused

Dude, you can fit two of those little Audis in a Buick Roadmaster!

Ok 450HP is certianly a lot, but at what RPMs?
Can you tow a boat with that?

The Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon was the worlds longest (length) production car for the years 1992-1996.

It's at least 2 & a half feet longer than the little Audi.

Here is another angle.  Smile







Check out that skylight!  Smokin cool  Big thumbs up



That Audi could fit in the back seat of this Buick,  Smile/happy/getting dizzy







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User currently offlineBizJets From France, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

The Audi RS6 Wagon is not that small... here are the specs:
http://www.s-cars.org/rs6/Tech/tech.html

The RS6 is 4.582 meters / 15.03 feet long... I dunno about the Buick.

If you want bigger, you always have the Avantissimo:



Ok, so I'm an Audi nut... but I agree with you, wagons are cool.

Bizjets Big grin


User currently offlineBizJets From France, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

Buick Roadmaster is 18.125 feet long.  Wow!

Avantissimo is 16.6 feet.

Bizjets  Smile


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6368 times:

I would always by a station wagon, the perfect combination/compromise of size and performance.

Used to have one of those Country Squires, what a beast ! When on a road trip just fold down the seats, throw the Queen size mattress in the back and hey presto a poor mans mobile home.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6385 times:

Here is a great review about the Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon.
http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/1994/1994_Buick_Roadmaster_Estate_Wagon.html




exterior dimensions wagon
overall length (in.) 217.5 18.13 ft.
wheelbase (in.) 115.9 9.66 ft.
cargo cap. (cu. ft.) 92.4

fuel tank (gals.)21.0


interior dimensions
headroom f/r 39.6/39.4
legroom f/r 42.3/37.3
shoulder room f/r 63.4/63.5





So the Buick is 3.10 feet longer than the Audi.



Audi are ok. I like them better than bmws.

Can you believe that I almost bought a 1982 Audi 5000 turbo diesel sedan?
Yep, back in high school (1990) I almost did it but got a VW Dasher diesel station wagon instead for $50.
Yes my english teacher my senior year really liked me but felt weird dating a student. She cut me a sweet deal on her old car.
She was only 23 at the time.







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User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

"...my english teacher my senior year really liked me but felt weird dating a student. She cut me a sweet deal on her old car...She was only 23 at the time."

Is it any wonder that Superfly is The King of the Forum™?

Dude, she didn't cut you a deal... she was showering you with gratitude for that Superfly Touch™!



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User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

Station Wagons are making a serious comeback! Mazda P5, Pontiac Vibe, Toyota Matrix and a host of other new-breed wagons are flying off the lot. And yes, they're "cool" to drive now.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Sccutler:
That is f--king hillarious!  Laugh out loud

How did you do the 'TM' logo?



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User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6330 times:

The "™" thing? I cheated, pulled it up in WordPerfect and cut and pasted. A purist would know the Alt-sequence to do it. But not me.


...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6332 times:

Superfly, I don't know exactly what kind of boat you want to tow, but as long as it isn't the Queen Elizabeth II, a torque of 560 between 1950 and 5600 rpm should be enough...

User currently offlineVictech From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 546 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6313 times:

As a text-entry "purist" (funny way of putting it!), the ALT code for the ™ symbol is ALT+0153.

User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6301 times:

Most Volvos sold are station wagons, and they probably make the best station wagons in the world.

They've been doing station wagons for ages, and have stayed with them, even when they haven't been fashionable.

Don't think Volvo make good station wagons? The V70 is to the Estate car class as the 5-Series is to the executive car class, simply unrivalled. After several years, the V70 is still king of the various Estate car awards, I've noticed.

Sure, it doesn't quite drive with the same finesse as a fancy BMW, but it costs much less, and is still a good car to drive. It'll whip the socks off a so called BMW wagon when it comes to the real duties of station wagons.

Ultimately, wagons are family cars, and Volvo does a damn good job of catering for families I have to say  Smile

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6261 times:

Perhaps I should have clarified.
Will there ever be return of 'full-sized' station wagons?

These Volvos, Audis and Ford Taurus are not full-sized cars.



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User currently offlineFordlover From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6240 times:

Superfly, I hate to be the "me too" type, but I gotta jump in with you on this one. I've always enjoyed wagons, though of the smaller variety. Escorts mainly, and currently a '91 Tracer. I get the small car gas mileage and parking ease, but I can still pack it full of crap. I've even had the occasional engine block tucked in the back!  Smile I got a few funny looks from passer-bys on the interstate with that one. I've never had the privilege of having a full-size. My girlfriend in high school had her mom's Grand Marquis wagon, so I got to cruise around in it from time to time, but that's about it. I've got my eye on a sweet '78 Fairmont wagon now (200cid I-6, 3-speed on the floor, and faded woodgrain all down the side), but the last thing I need is another project car. Did I really say that?, I must be feeling ill.

User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6228 times:

Smaller wagons or "hatchbacks" have made quite a comeback now with cars like the Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe, Honda Civic Si, Ford Focus ZX3/ZX5/Wagon, Ford Taurus Wagon, and for more expensive cars: Volvo XC,V70,V40,Audi Avant, BMW 3 and 5 series wagon, Mercedes wagons, etc. I notice all those little hatchbacks when I was in Japan, too. But, they aren't really station wagons. I can't really imagine a large V8 station wagon or fake wood trim coming back soon. But wagons are coming back into style. At least they're a better trend than SUVs since they're functional, efficient, and don't take up the whole street when you park them on the side of your street in suburbia.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6208 times:

Fordlover:
That fairmont can hold the 302/351/400cu" engine block.
I know the Granada (same Fox platform) came with an availible 255cu' V8.
Also, other Fox platform cars (Mustang 79-94 , LTD LX 85, Conntenintal 82-87 ) all came with the availible 5.0 (302) V8.

I'd say, drop in a 400cu" V8 with a 4bbl carb and dual exhaust. That would be on kick a$$ wagon.  Smokin cool

It's also mid-sized.
Or you could try to Find those mid-size LTD IIs, LX or Mercury Marquis wagons (1982-86) and do the same thing.



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25 Post contains images Superfly : BH346: I can't really imagine a large V8 station wagon or fake wood trim coming back soon. One could only hope!
26 BH346 : Hey...10 years ago, you wouldn't want to be caught dead in a hatchback. Now look at the hot new trend... Do those old V8 wagons tow very good? Got any
27 Mirrodie : This thread could not have come at a better time. We are about to lay to rest our 1984 Bucik Electra Estate Wagon, sniff, sniff. Yeah, BIG BLUE, as we
28 Lubcha132 : good point Superfly, I think that they are great cars. Except my mom's deceased '92 sable which started giving us trouble...antifreeze leaked like hel
29 Superfly : Specifications for 1994-1996 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon and Chevy Caprice Classic Wagon: 350cu" V8 (5.7) 260HP Torque 330-335
30 L-188 : Sorry man, but what will probably happen after I finish paying for my Cavalier Coupe is that I will start looking for an older 4WD Suburban that I can
31 Post contains images Skystar : I've got to say, those wagons are truly huge. To me, a V70 would be a normal sized wagon, that wooden thing is huge!! But its cabin doesn't look that
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