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Proof That Iraq Has Weapons Of Mass Destruction  
User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2245505.stm

Leading defence anaylsts confirm this:

Iraq could produce a nuclear bomb within a matter of months if it were able to obtain supplies of radioactive material, according to an assessment of Saddam Hussein's weapons programme.

A wide-ranging report by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) in London concludes Iraq has probably been successful in hiding large stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons from United Nations inspectors, as well as a small number of long-range missiles.

"Were he able to obtain fissile material... we certainly believe that he has the ability to put together a nuclear weapon very quickly"

Dr John Chipman

The report will fuel the debate about possible military action against Iraq, as pressure grows on UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush to publish their own dossiers setting out the case against Baghdad.



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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Okay. I'd say this is fairly credible proof that Hussein has access or will have access to Weapons of mass destruction. But do we have proof of his desire to use them against Western countries or their interests?

Anyone have anything they wish to contribute along those lines, statements from the Iraqi leader. Because although he may well have the bomb, has he made threats about who (if anyone) he wishes to use it on. Its all well and good to say he has these weapons but without intent, what difference will it all make. The USA, China, UK, India, Pakistan all have WMD, so why dont we invade them? If he has the intent to use them against Western nations and/or their international interests, lets go to war.

Regards,

QANTASforever


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Qantas, he does have the intent because hes used them before against IRAN, the kurds and his own people. He also has the well know desire to be a second saladin and start a crusade, saddam hussien actually thinks he is saladin, his books which the whole iraqi nation are forced to read out of fear depict him as such.

"The USA, China, UK, India, Pakistan all have WMD"

Good point but they will use them as a detterant, even pakistan and india with the tensions over kashmir have both said they wont use them first, china, the us, uk, israel, russia, france are all the same. Look at 1967 and the cuban missle crisis, both the usa and russia could ahve pressed the trigger but they didnt because they knew the consquences.

The problem is that saddam doesnt care about the consquences, he wants to be a hero, to him he had a victory in the gulf war because the un didnt get rid of him and because he inflicted death on the un troops, especially the americans, he also managed to bomb israel even though it was a piss poor performace to him it doesnt matter.

Victory for thim is the death of westerners, thats the problem.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Okay. I'd say this is fairly credible proof that Hussein has access or will have access to Weapons of mass destruction. But do we have proof of his desire to use them against Western countries or their interests?

Saddam has used destructive weapons on his own people. So with his disdain for the West, why would he not use these weapons against Western nations? Especially Israel? As for why we would stop him from having these weapons, is because of the realness in which he would use nuclear and or biological weapons. India and Pakistan, while being nuclear powers, and have been able to avoid the use of nukes in a war with each other. Why? Because they know. Saddam would have no problem sending a nuclear weapon to Israel.


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

Qantas Power, here is further proof of his intent,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2174293.stm

"Izzat Ibrahim was reported by the New York Times to have warned the Kurds in January 1991 not to cause trouble during the Gulf War.

He reminded them of the chemical attack on Halabja with the words: "I would like to remind you that we are ready to repeat the operation."

He is vice president of the Revolution Command Council and has been used in 2002 to try to woo Iraq's neighbours.

He has exchanged an embrace with Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and has promised to respect the "territorial integrity" of Kuwait.

He narrowly escaped arrest on a war crimes warrant in Austria once while being treated for suspected cancer."

here is further proof tat iraq has WMDs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1853860.stm

"A UN report released in March last year suggested that Iraq still had chemical and biological weapons - as well as the rockets to deliver them to targets in other countries. Iraq denies this.

And, on Wednesday, US diplomats said photographs taken by spy satellites show that trucks imported by Baghdad for civilian purposes have been converted into mobile missile launchers. "

from the same source-"After its withdrawal, Unscom was replaced by Unmovic (UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission) which has not been allowed into the country.

Baghdad has allowed limited inspections to be carried out by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). But the group says it is not enough to determine whether Iraq may be engaged in a secret nuclear weapons programme.

Sanctions against Iraq will be lifted if it complies fully with international inspections of its weapons industry, the UN says. "

Iraqi Exiles and refugees want a strike against saddam themselves
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1951039.stm

http://209.50.252.70/p_en/inc/index.shtmlIraqi national congress site.





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User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

And the problem is?

That he has/will soon have the WMD? The US also has access to far more WMD than Saddam can ever hope to.

Intent to use? Well again the US has DEMONSTRATED that intent more than once.

So what? BIG DEAL!!

This is obviously another propaganda initiative by Dubya and his criminal cronies to push the World into another War and prevent the Middle-East from returning to normalcy.

History has been witness to how America has cynically propped up and used tin-pot dictators (including Saddam himself) as instruments of American foreign policy. Would Alpha1 and other self-proclaimed American patriots care to explain how Saddam and his Republican Guards managed to capture power? How they got his hands on the Chemical and Biological Weapons? The silence on that is deafening!

If the US is against Saddam, becuase he is a despotic dictator, then it must also give up supporting other dictators from the dictators in Africa and South America. But your criminal government sets up one dictator one day to turn on him the next! Yesterday it was Ayub Khan, Zia and sundry dictators in South America, today it is Musharraf! These dictators were propped up with American taxpayers money, and once again it is your money that is going to clean up the mess? To whose Benefit? the arms companies!


-Roy


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

How they got his hands on the Chemical and Biological Weapons? The silence on that is deafening!


They bought them from the French.



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User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

well of course an indian is going to complain about Musharraf!, as far as im aware though he has commited himslef to resorting democracy in pakistan, is that not the case?

I mentioned america regarding nukes the other day, ill do soon again.

Yes, america has used nuclear weapons, twice. It had NO choice every historian accepts as do those with a military background that a conventional war and invasion against japan would have ended up with far greater civilains and military personal death than the use of two atomic weapons. Japan had a attitude that it would fight to the end, everyone knew that, you only have to look at the case of the japanese general who lived in the jungle in the far east and wouldnt give in until the 1970s!

America made a difficult choice, invade japan or use an a-bomb, i dont like nuclear weapons but it was the best option for the greater good of humanity, or would you rather have tens of milliosn dead in an invasion roy?

heres something some wont like, a un resolution which allows for action against saddam:http://209.50.252.70/p_en/inc/principals.shtml
"UNSC Resolution 688 (1991)

As mandated by Security Council resolution 688 (1991), the international community has the authority and the obligation to compel Saddam Hussein to end the oppression of the Iraqi people and to provide the suffering people with effective humanitarian relief.

Resolution 688 (1991) recognises the enmity that exists between the regime and the Iraqi people and the regional instability that is the inevitable result of the dictatorship's repression.

For this reason, the INC supports international efforts to relieve this oppression and concludes that such action is not prejudicial to the unity, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, which are threatened only by the continuation of Saddam's oppressive rule."

"your criminal government sets up one dictator one day to turn on him the next" Im not american, i was born in the uk and have an irish father and canadian mother.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

Okay. I'd say this is fairly credible proof that Hussein has access or will have access to Weapons of mass destruction. But do we have proof of his desire to use them against Western countries or their interests?

He's already used them against his own people, QANTASforever. Isn't that history enough to alarm you? It does me. Meglomaniacs like him usually don't get weapons to just sit on them an look pretty. He'll use them-either physically, or as blackmail to get Israel or the Gulf Arab states to give in to some crazy demand of his.

And, like the good little anti-American you are, Indianguy, you try to shift the argument away from some legitimate proof that this nut could have nukes in a very short time, shrug it off, and start blasting the US again.

Unfortunately, Roy, your reaction is what I will expect from the apologists on this board. Even if concrete, verifiable proof is found, you and a some others will find a way to scoff it off-up until the very moment this madman decides to use such a weapon, either physically or as blackmail.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2175 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

well of course an indian is going to complain about Musharraf!, as far as im aware though he has commited himslef to resorting democracy in pakistan, is that not the case?

What's the difference between an Indian complaining about Mush and an American complaining about Saddam ? They're both despots, notwithstanding Mush's claims that his is a "democratic dictatorship"  Laugh out loud We hate Mush's guts because of his acts in Kargil in 1999, besides cynically using the jehadis in a proxy war against us. You guys hate Saddam for obvious reasons. On the other hand Mush has been cooperative with you, just as Iraq and India have had traditionally good commercial ties.



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User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Israel also has chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. It has medium range missiles capable of hitting targets in Europe ... their range is too great just to target their 'natural enemies'.

They have stated on many occasions that they are prepared to use them, and indeed during 1973 aircraft were actually loaded with nuclear weapons to use against Syrian targets.

Israel has attacked a number of its neighbours, including Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon; and has been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians since 1948.

It has used its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons to blackmail the US into continue to provide billions of dollars a year in sophisticated weaponry, much of which is used on civilians under its control in the Occupied Territories.

There are numerous UN Resolutions in force against Israel - all of which are completely ignored by them - and Israel also routinely bars UN inspectors from its territory.

It has also consistently called for an attack on Iraq and the removal of Saddam.

Given such aggression, is it not understandable that the Iraqis would want to defend themselves with similar weapons? This is no more (or less) than the Soviets did against the US ... or the US against the Soviets. If Iraq had wanted to use WMDs on Israel, its best opportunity to have done so would have been during the Gulf War when they were firing Scuds at Israel with the hope of getting them to attack Iraq, which in turn would have lead to the collapse of the Coalition. They had the capability - almost all of which was destroyed subsequently by Coalition attacks or the UN inpectors.

It is easy to say that Iraq would have the ability to 'go nuclear' within a matter of months ... if they get hold of the appropriate nuclear material. Just about any nation (or terrorist group) could do so if it could get hold of the material. The hard part isn't the material - it's the manufacturing of it and especially the Kryton switches that ensure uniform detonation. Those are not exactly offered for sale on EBay!  Insane


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Israel also has chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. It has medium range missiles capable of hitting targets in Europe ... their range is too great just to target their 'natural enemies'.

Goddammit, SAS23, STOP BRINGING UP ISRAEL WHEN IT'S NOT THE SUBJECT! THIS ISN'T ABOUT ISRAEL!!!

This is about Iraq, and, unlike Israel, Iraq is not surrounded by mortal enemies, is it? Stick with the subject matter, Neil, or confine your comments to a new or running thread ABOUT Israel.

They have stated on many occasions that they are prepared to use them, and indeed during 1973 aircraft were actually loaded with nuclear weapons to use against Syrian targets.

And, did it slip your mind to tell the readers WHY Israel had done so? It was because Syrian troops had breached Israel's last line of defense in the north, and the whole heartleand was open to an attack by the Syrians, which could have meant the destruction of Israel. Fortunately, the Syrian Commander wasn't smart enough to see the situation, and the crisis passed. Again-their existence was mortally threatened. Iraq's isn't. They want the weapons for armed blackmail, or to use to take out Israel, if they can.

Israel has attacked a number of its neighbours, including Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon; and has been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians since 1948.

Iraq has attacked two of it's neighbors in the past 20 years-Iran and Kuwait, and has been responsible for over a million deaths in that time, most during the Iran-Iraq war, and in his killing his own people. What's your point, Neil? Again-stop changing the subject matter. This is about Iraq, not Israel.

It has also consistently called for an attack on Iraq and the removal of Saddam.

Iraq has continually called for the DESTRUCTION of Israel-not just an attack and removal of a government there.

Now, Neil, you basically justify Iraq's claim for wanting these weapons, yet you deny Israel has any claim to them, even though they're surrounded by enemies on all sides. It shows two things: one, you're just a sad apologist for Saddam Hussein, the biggest butcher in the region, and secondly, it shows again your ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel, not just the removal of it's government. You bitch about Israel's aresenal, and you want the world to dismantle it, but you get upset because the US wants to stop this nut from even having them?

So much for your continued lack of credibility.


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

This is indeed about Israel - because double standards are being used here. You're also well aware of that - hence your desire to block the inclusion of anything that shows Israel to be breaching UN resolutions; blocking UN inspectors and in possession of WMDs and the will to use them. They are using their WMDs to blackmail the US.

What is the difference between Israel and Iraq?

Both countries present a clear and present danger to global security. Both countries should be deprived of their WMDs and their ability to ever produce such weapons again.

Any argument with that?


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

SAS23. Forgive my ignorance, but how is Israel using WMD to "blackmail" the U.S.?

User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Israel has told the US on a number of occasions that if the multi-billion dollar subsidies and supplies of sophisticated weaponry was to be cut off, they "would be forced" to use their WMDs on a pre-emptive strike basis.

User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

The will to use them? Israel hasn't nuked the arab world yet to turn into a radioactive paradise for the zionist fanatics, eh? That shows considerable restraint and sensibility considering the hostility their neighbours have shown in the past. Plus, are you seriously suggesting Israel has a nuclear arsenal to blackmail Europe, seeing as their range is too great for mere "natural enemies"?

I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Comes with a free fallout shelter.


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Israel has told the US on a number of occasions that if the multi-billion dollar subsidies and supplies of sophisticated weaponry was to be cut off, they "would be forced" to use their WMDs on a pre-emptive strike basis.

I've actually heard that arguement too. U.S. gives Israel money to keep them in check. I don't know if they WMD was ever brought up and there really hasn't been anything to prove this arguement. But you mustn't forget where Israel got the WMD from to begin with.

How did Israel come into this topic, BTW?  Insane


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

This is indeed about Israel - because double standards are being used here.

ROTFL. The man who is protected to death because of double-standards, is complaining about one now. If you don't like this "double standard" Neil, why don't you bitch to the United Nations? After all, it is THEIR resolutions you're talking about being enforced, after all. But don't go on here saying Iraq has every right to these weapons which he does NOT want for defense, and has no legitimate use for if, as you say, he's no threat to his neighbors.

What is the difference between Israel and Iraq?

Israel wants to survive as a nation; Iraq wants to use these weapons to conquer others.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

How did Israel come into this topic, BTW?

Easy, because SAS23 has to find some way to interject Israel into just about every debate on here. He's obsessed and paranoid with the subject. If he just dropped off the internet today, the debates over this subject would be cut by 7/8th.


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

"Proof That Iraq Has Weapons Of Mass Destruction"

Nope, Don't see anything about Israel in there, so stop hijacking the topic for your conspiracy theories and Israel is evil obsession. You want to talk that, go start another thread so we can b*tch at each other there instaed of crapping this topic up.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

So let me get this straight. We pay the Israeli's not to nuke their Arb neighbors, but these Arab neighbors hate us, and are planning and doing terrorist attacks on the U.S.?

I'm all for saving my tax dollars. Cut the funding, and let Israel have fun.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

ROFL KROC! Morbid yet sadly true twist of logic there.


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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

KROC, we could turn that into a new hit reality show. Survivor: The Middle East . They aren't joking when they say there will be only one survivor.

User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

SAS23, as i said before Israel is actually working towards the last Un resoltuion which compelled the palestinians and the israels to workf or peace, it stated israel must withdraw to pre-1967 borders and the P.A must clamp down on the terror attacks.the resolution stated that it SUPERCEDED all resolutions previous to it, the arab representative, syria refused to vote for it. Now since both sides are moving it that direction, eg israel is withdrawing from some areas, is beginning to dismantle settlements and since the terror attacks are declining, i would say both sides have some work to do, but they are on their way.

Iraq however is in breach of 12 un resolutions and hasnt made the effort on any of them.

Israel does have wmd, we all know that BUT it has never used them and has said it will do in self defence, it hasnt used them in warfare, iraq has.

Iraq has started two regional wars, now you could say israel started the six day war in 1967, after all it attacked first but what you seem to have glossed over is that it was threaterned by four armies and four countries, the world was quaking at the thought of the destruction of israel, when israel destroyed the arabs in six days suddenly it became the agressor.

im tired of this sas23, so for those who didnt read it the first time
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/277129/6/

Iraq didnt have a good reason for attacking iran nor did it have a good reason for the attack on kuwait, it attacked kuwait because it couldnt afford to repay their loans and thought it could get debt relief through military pressure, even iraq as you have trumpeted in the past has apparently given up any claim on kuwait, therefore if it had a really good reason to invade, surely it wouldnt have done that???????

The united states will not allow israel to sue wMD unless it is struck first, it may be fiction but try reading Total war 2006 sas, in it israel is attacked by the arabs with WMD, it responds and the usa nukes israel to stop further bloodshead.

sas23, i notice you havent actually addressed the issues which the IISS raised,typical really.



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User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

i think people we have got to ignore sas23 on this thread if he continues with the 'lets attack israel not iraq' style otherwise we risk this thread being wrecked by someone who cant address the issues that were stated and has single handely tried to change the direction of the thread simpy because he doesnt like what it reveals, that iraq does HAVE WMDS!


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25 Post contains images SAS23 : Go Canada! - I am simply stating that Israel poses a similar level of threat as Iraq. I note that you neglected to mention their invasion of Lebanon .
26 Post contains images KROC : To date, no one has been able to provide a 'smoking gun' - evidence that Iraq does indeed currently have WMDs or the capability to produce them. Sure
27 JetService : SAS, its not just about who has WMD, but also the intent of their use. Why are you so blinded that you can't see that????
28 Mbmbos : Proof of WMD = justification to attack? Sorry, but that kind of reasoning is just plain weak. There are plenty of nations with WMD and plenty more tha
29 Post contains images SAS23 : Mbmbos - you're spot on. If proof of WMD = justification to attack, then Israel falls down. If a "history of badness" = justification to attack, then
30 David B. : Disarm all WMD is all ME countries and stop funding Israel. Let them do battle with conventional weapons.
31 David B. : Correct KROC: I'm all for saving my tax dollars. Cut the funding to ISRAEL, and let IRAQ have fun. Twist of Faith
32 AC320 : SAS23 and friends, you sound like a combination of a borken record and violin in a trash compactor: The same bad crap over and over and over again.
33 David B. : AC320 and friends.............you and your people sound like that.....same anti-muslim anti-arab shit over and over and over again. So we say somethin
34 KaiTakFan : David you are such a mess its not even funny! The majority of Americans dont hate muslims and arabs. We dislike those muslim and arabs that want all o
35 SAS23 : Brian, if you actually read the posts then you would see that the point being made is that Israel is doing (or has done) exactly the same as Iraq ...
36 Post contains links Go Canada! : ignore sas23 people, its the only way. "Downing Street has described as "highly significant" a report from an independent think tank saying Iraq could
37 AC320 : David B. Youre attempt at taunting has no basis. I have never said anything against Muslims, or anytihng anti-arab. I do not hate them, i nfact I have
38 Go Canada! : "So we say something bad about Israel. You hate muslims and arabs. So eye for a eye, hate for hate. What is wrong with that?" errm no, i never have bl
39 Mbmbos : Be very careful what you say, Go Canada!. You are very close to making an unfair accusation against another member of this group - and you're very clo
40 KaiTakFan : SAS, There is no doubt what you are saying raises some eyebrows for sure. The facts of what is going on outside of our shores is alarming. However, Is
41 AC320 : Mbmbos, Too late one member of that group already made unfair accusations. This thread should have been deleted already, or had all these off-topic po
42 SAS23 : KaiTakFan, I wholeheartedly agree that Saddam is a despot and is not exactly in the running for the Nobel Prize. That said, there are many leaders who
43 AC320 : My view is that Israel should be forced to give up its WMDs in exchange for a Mutual defense Pact with the US and/or NATO as a whole - meaning that a
44 QANTASforever : Lol, BTW GoCanada!, My name isnt actually 'QANTASpower', it is QANTASforever --the original. Please don't make the same mistake again, I'm likely to t
45 ADG : (no copyright has been infringed in this post) Over 1.5 million Iraqis have died because of the Western(US) imposed embargo, 41% of them children unde
46 AC320 : Remind me again what that has to do with WMDS? That's a different subject entirely.
47 KROC : My view is that Israel should be forced to give up its WMDs in exchange for a Mutual Defence Pact with the US and/or NATO as a whole - meaning that an
48 Tbar220 : AC320, Its an interesting thought, but then one major problem arises in my opinion. Sure, Israel would give up its right to have WMD, but then what ab
49 AC320 : Tbar220, Do not worry, I have my reservations about SAS23's statement that parellel yours. I was merely pointing out it was one of the first, non-prop
50 Tbar220 : ADG, where's your source for that list of materials that is forbidden?
51 SAS23 : KROC ... then why exactly is the US going into Iraq? Tbar, as I said Israel would enter into a Mutual Defence Pact with Nato, say - that means that le
52 Tbar220 : SAS, would you call an attack on Iraq prevention if it prevents Iraq from using nuclear weapons on its neighbors? Or rather, is it aggression on the U
53 ADG : AC, I don't think it is. You see, in Iraq there is a dictator at the healm, a man with no conscience and no respect for others, including his own peop
54 ADG : Tbar: anyone who is "nuclear armed" is a worry to the rest of the world. There are other countries who have nuclear weapons that worry me more and at
55 KROC : Tbar: anyone who is "nuclear armed" is a worry to the rest of the world. There are other countries who have nuclear weapons that worry me more and at
56 AC320 : ADG, you said nothing about how the embargo relates to the topic of Iraqi advanced weaponry programs, thereby giving us something else that's dragging
57 Skyway1 : ADG..... How many lavish palaces does Mr. Sadaam have??? And it's the United States fault that millions of Iraqi's are dying??? I think you're placing
58 Tbar220 : Let's keep the discussion about the Iraqi embargo to a different thread please. Thanks.
59 SAS23 : KROC - the point is that there is absolutely no sign of any intent on the part of Saddam to use any WMDs. He had ample opportunity - and reason - to d
60 ADG : Based on intent to use these weapons is what worries everyone. It's clear Saddam has intent to use them, and that is a big problem. I don't think this
61 Go Canada! : how can a person state that the usa should be behind israels defence when its the same person attacking the usa for giving billions of aid of aid to i
62 Advancedkid : I have no ide if that was already stated here in any of the posts in this thread, that Iraq's neighbors don't feel Iraq is a threat to them at this ti
63 Dragogoalie : Not to knock this thread all the way back up to the top...but did someone say "let the middle east return to normal?" Uhhh...when did that ever happen
64 Post contains links Go Canada! : "that Iraq's neighbors don't feel Iraq is a threat to them at this time and are all opposing any attacks on Iraq" iran and syria hate iraq.Irans been
65 Advancedkid : Go canada, However, there haven't been any complaints or fears from Iraq's neighbors that Saddam is possessing WMD or is threatening them at this time
66 Go Canada! : "Go canada, However, there haven't been any complaints or fears from Iraq's neighbors that Saddam is possessing WMD or is threatening them at this tim
67 RogueTrader : Advancedkid asks: And not to forget, Saddam was quite a good pal while he was fighting Iran during the 80's. Why didn't anyone raise a finger back the
68 Rai : Well, I just finished watching the House Armed Services Committee’s hearings on Iraq. Very sobering stuff. In the end, Rep. John Spratt (D-SC) made
69 Post contains links SAS23 : Israeli Weapons of Mass Destruction: a Threat to Peace With between 200 and 500 thermonuclear weapons and a sophisticated delivery system, Israel has
70 Artsyman : 1) Number of countries that could face possible Israeli nuclear attack without first attacking Israel and threatening it's existence = 0 2) Number of
71 Artsyman : Finally, a nuclear free Israel would make a Nuclear Free Middle East and a comprehensive regional peace agreement much more likely 5) If Israel was Nu
72 SAS23 : Artsyman No of countries that have been attacked by Israel - 4 No of countries that have been attacked by Iraq - 2 No of Israeli nuclear weapons - 200
73 Hepkat : Some users have suggested SAS23's lenghty post above for deletion on the grounds that it violates our copyright policies. I decided to check this out
74 SAS23 : Additionally, the article was not reproduced in full in order to comply with the A.net copyright policy; and a link to the original article was provid
75 Super Em : Give me a break with this Iraq crap. Most nations today have weapons of mass destruction. I find it funny how Bush is so scared that Saddam will use w
76 ADG : Wow .. is that post a record? 8-o VH-ADG
77 Go Canada! : adg, sorry im really not with you, i dont understand the 8-0 thing, and im not sure if its a record, ive done others as long when ive been so angry, i
78 SAS23 : Go Canada! - if you don't believe that the US and other western nations would be dragged into any attack on Israel at present through its use of the W
79 Go Canada! : sas23, im not responding to tommorrow. "NATO Article Five would not apply to such things as suicide bombers - otherwise the UK could have invoked it e
80 ADG : GoCanada, 8-o is me with my eyes wide and my mouth open in shock at such a large post .... VH-ADG
81 OO-AOG : Well if indeed they have weapons of mass destructions, what will they do with them if the US launch a war against Iraq? I mean will Saddam use chemica
82 Go Canada! : oo-aog, iraq doesnt have nukes at the moment according to the evidence in the public domian. its a good arguement to say dont attack because you odnt
83 Advancedkid : Hi there, I found this one about the other ME country that has been and is constantly violating UN resolutions, that needed to be slaped on the wrist
84 SAS23 : Thanks for posting that, Advancedkid ... clearly shows which country flouts international law the most! Add to that their possession of 200 - 500 nucl
85 Jaysit : Well, Pakistan also has "weapons of mass destruction," has a clandestine semi-autonomous military cabal with access to them, and has a regime that has
86 Advancedkid : One more thing: USS Liberty wasn't a mistake.
87 Post contains links Go Canada! : "- 500 nuclear warheads, chemical and biological weapons; their attacks on no less than four of their neighbours over the last three decades;" israel
88 Post contains links Go Canada! : a selection of un resolutions on iraq http://home.achilles.net/~sal/un-resolutions.html " Security Council resolution 1302 (2000) on the situation bet
89 Go Canada! : iraq has had 69(including one regarding israels attack on its nuclear bases) resolutions regarding it since 1980, israel has had 65 in 50 years.
90 Post contains images Lehpron : Proof should establish the validity of a statement by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning; it cannot have word
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