Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3004 times:
11 September, 2002
"Where were you when the world stopped turning, on that September day?"
Do you remember what you were doing on September 10th, 2001?
It seems like another place in time, doesn't it? I can tell you that I have no clue what I was doing on September 10th, 2001. There's no memory of that day at all in my mind.
But we all remember what we were doing on September 11th, 2001.
There are events in our lives-personal ones, or events in our world, that shape and sculpt our existence. Personally, it can be your wedding day, or the birth of your first child, and, suddenly, you can't remember what life was like before that. And there are events that define not only our personal existence, but those that define us on a broader scale as human beings: in this country, such events have been Pearl Harbor, the deaths of Presidents Roosevelt and Kennedy, the Challenger Disaster-and, of course, September 11th, 2001.
It seems like nothing really existed before 8:46am, Eastern time that day. I do remember being on here, reading the online edition of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, and my youngest son was watching the Disney Channel. A friend from Los Angeles came on IM and told me to turn on the news.....and the world was changed.
We all know the events of that day: the horror, the confusion, the feeling, at least here in the States, that the world was indeed coming to an end. All that has been recorded for history, and I won't go over the individual or collective events of that day. But whether we all like it or not, we have changed. Our outlook on the world has changed. For many of us, our very existence have changed. And, each of us recall that day in our own ways, and have drawn our own lesson from that day.
What are some things I've thought of since that day of infamy? Seeing the images from New York, I came to realize, maybe for the first time, how really fragile and fleeting life is, and how precious life is. Seeing the images of fireman, EMT's and Police officers running INTO the burning buildings, I also am more aware that, as precious as life is that, sometimes, random acts of mercy and kindness are even more important than life itself. I can imagine giving up my life to save my wife or any of my three children, but for strangers, as those people did that day? I do not think I could be as courageous and selfless as those men and women.
I was not in New York, Washington or Pennsylvania that day, but the effects have been felt by me personally and by colleagues. Shortly after these events, many of my colleagues were laid off of work. The effects of September 11th, combined with the already-slowed economy have devastated the airline industry-far more than people outside the industry will ever believe. I saw the frailty of life in that event. When you see the looks on a friends face seconds after they found out they're not going to be at work the next week; the desperate hugs of a close friend, when she knows her job is gone. Maybe not as devastating as the events of September 11th, but devastating to them and their life. Again, even events such as these show how fleeting our existence is in this frail, small planet.
I saw in the immediate aftermath the heroic strength that was felt far beyond the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and Shanksville. It was self-evident in the massive line to give blood at our local center-so long that my wife and I couldn't even get in to give ourselves; it was evident in the thousands of candlelight vigils that very evening, as American came together to grieve and console each other; it was evident when firefighters from around the country put out firefighter boots in cities and towns, collecting money for their fallen comrades in New York City; it was evident when colleagues of an air traffic controller in Boston, who's wife was on American 11 and was killed-just two months before his retirement-gave up THEIR vacation and sick time to him, so that he could make it to retirement following her death; it was evident in the renewal of pride of patriotism in our nation-the belief that, however imperfect America is, it's people still see it, as their 16th President once said "the last, best hope of the Earth."
I think of how fate plays such an important role in such events. I have a cousin who is a Vice President in her company. On Friday, September 7th, her 8:30am meeting in the World Trade Center for Tuesday, September 11th, was changed to 8:30am on Wednesday, September 12th; a friend of mine, and a member of this forum, volunteered to be bumped off a DL flight going EWR-SFO, and, being a Gold Elite on SkyMiles, offered to take the next DL flight First Class, instead of the flight offered by DL that day-United Flight 93. I have another cousin who's wife is a Commander in the United States Navy. She was in the Navy Wing of the Pentagon that day-one seciton away from where AA 77 crashed into the Army wing. Perhaps, had she been appointed to attend the Military Acadamy at West Point all those years ago, instead of the Naval Academy at Annapolis all those years ago, she might be dead. Those things leaped to my mind that night, as I lay in bed, trying unsuccesfully to get some sleep, and to shut out the gruesome images of that day.
All of us on here have our own different "take" on the fallout of that day, a day that has, like so few before it, put a stark mark on history. And, those arguments, gentle sometimes, rancorous at other times, let us save for another day, and another time. Today, no matter what our beliefs about the aftermath of 9/11/01, need to be set aside. Today, they are not what is important. Remembering the horror and the agony-and the heroicism, of that day, is what should be paramount in our thoughts, and, for those of us of a faith, in our prayers for the dead, those left behind, and those of us who are left to contemplate.
Many abroad-and a few at home-have asked "why can't Americans move beyond 9/11?" Well, we are moving beyond that fateful day. But, on this day-the first anniversary of an event that changed the world, I ask those of you abroad, and at home who wonder about this, no matter what side of the debate you've been on, to allow us this day to mourn; to reflect; to take stock of our lives and our country; to pray to our God, if we so believe in one, or to silently contemplate, if we don't believe in God. Do not use this day, I beseech you, to use as a day of argument, but as a period free from such rancor. Lord knows, we'll have other days for that-but not today. Let us dedicate this as a day of peace and remembrance. Maybe, if we do that, we'll find in each other, a part of our common humanity, no matter what side we find ourselves on in the raging debates of the time.
Let me and my fellow Americans who want to mourn and to remember, have this day for ourselves to pray, to grieve, and to reflect on that mind-numbing day and the year that has passed. We are moving forward, but we need this day to stop and look back at the year just passed.
M.seles_fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2918 times:
I remember last year clearly. September 8-9 I had Drill at the guard base. After work on the 9th I went over my friend's house, and we went to TGI Friday's for dinner. The next morning, the 10th, I drove home and laid around the house. On the 11th I woke up and I was on the computer (on airliners.net I clearly remember) when my neighbor called from her work. She asked me if I had the TV on. I said, "No." She said we were being attacked, and that two hijacked planes flew into the WTC buildings. I was like, "Whaaaaaaaaaat." I hung up with her and turned on the TV. After watching it for a while I called a lot of people to talk to them about it. I remember I went to the gas station up the street and bought a pack of cigarettes. My sister was let out of work early, and I went with her to her apartment where we watched more coverage with her boyfriend. The rest is history. I remember being depressed and angry. Tomorrow at school they are cancelling classes from 12:00-12:45 so students can attend a memorial service on campus.
Twaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2909 times:
i remember well too. i was just getting settled living in my fraternity at college, had been there about 2 weeks, and as i was waking up at 930 i guess, my buddy sean who lives downstairs ran up to my room to tell me i had a call on the housephone, which is peculiar because my calls usually come in on my cell phone.
so i went downstairs and it was my best friend dave at tufts telling me the world trade center had been hit by a plane and he was concerned because he knew i had worked there that past summer (for the PANYNJ on the 65th floor of 1wtc). I thanked him, we hung up and i walked into room 4, the major social bedroom in my fraternity house, and the two guys who live there sean and seth were waking up. i told them the news and neither believed me. they yelled at me in fact for saying something like that. so we turned on CNN and stared in disbelief. soon the entire fraternity was awake and huddling around the tv in room 4.
over the next hour we went to class and the building where most of my classes were at that time was a chaotic riot, everyone on the cell phone, girls crying, people frantic, everyone crowding around the tv in mac's one of the hotel school cafes. unbelieveable, i hope to never forget that feeling.
went to my accounting class that tuesday and our professor said a prayer and held a moment of silence. then we did accounting.
at 1:25 went to my Middle Eastern Modern History class with my palestinian professor samer allatout. most of the class was there and we gathered around and listened in silence as he discussed islamic fundamentalism and al qaida.
Mark2102 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 350 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
I was in 1st period Spanish class and it was my Sophomore year of high school. The bell for the end of Period 1 rang at about 9:20 AM EST. As I walked out of the classroom, I hear a kid yelling "Shit, a ****** plane just crashed into the World Trade Center." I thought he just wanted attention. I get to my second period class about a minute later which was just down the hall and I see the T.V. I just stood there for around 20 minutes trying to comprehend what just happened. It was very overwhelming. I thought it was all a joke. When I was watching CBS 2, they had the cameras from the helicopter on the burning buildings. So when the building collapsed, I thought it was a scientific movie and could not believe it. After that period ended, I went around telling all my friends and they thought I was out of it. I never before felt the way I did at 9:20 AM EST on 9-11-02. That had to be the longest day of school ever. When I came home from school, I thought it was all a dream. I asked my parents if they had heard what had happened. They told me yes and could not believe it.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2866 times:
I wasn't planning to respond to this thread, and after this, I will not be posting until the 12th, if then, because the Alpha's are going on a trip, but you're post compels me to speak.
First off, those aren't my words, in the title of the thread. It's a song by American Country singer Alan Jackson, Pacificjourney.
Secondly, I'm not looking for any reaction from anyone. What I said-all of it-comes from the heart, Pacificjourney. As this date has gotten closer, this anniversary has gotten closer, I didn't expect the reaction within myself that I've gotten, but it's there. I came very, very close to losing 2 family members and a friend, who, by the grace of God and a little luck, were not in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You can believe me or not, my friend, but that is the truth. And we can argue about the airline business on the aviation forum another day if you like.
Again, I wish all of you a little peace on this day that is now about to start in the U.S.
Airlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 26 Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2852 times:
ALpha 1- Thank you for this very well written thread.. It is nice to see them once in a while..
What I was doing on 9-11..
I was at home asleep.. My roommate called me from work, "Holy Shit!!! Chris!! Turn on the TV!! 2 jets just crashed into the trade towers!!" I was thinking ohh kayyyy.. so I turned on the TV, and honestly thought I was dreaming.. I went back to sleep.. He called back.. "Dude!!!!!!! THe Pentagon was hit!!!" I turned on the TV, and saw it, thought to myself.. "The world is gonna end, may as well sleep.." so I did.. He called back again to tell me about PA, and I just siad OK I'm getting up now.. I watched TV In the front room for a while, called my dad, and all he could say is "Tt HAS to be Osama Bin Laden.. He's the only one with the $$ and resources to pull this off." I went upstairs to the 3rd level and woke up my neighbors, (I wasn't dressed yet) and we all just sat in Jeff's room watching TV.. Numb as hell.. We saw them come crashing down.. Katie and Teale (Their g/f's) Came over and just sat with us. for I dunno how long.. I went to work that day, but it was all like a blur...
PacificJourney, I am appaled, disgusted, sickened, and so much more at your post.. No need to vomit, I already have.. Tell ya what.. Gimme your mail addy and I'll ship some to ya..
I will never forget it.. Neither will any of us.. May God (or whoever you believe in) watch over the souls that perished that day.. And, as an American, it may shock you to hear this, but I don't HATE Bin Laden.. I hate what he did to our country, I hate what he did to our economy, but him? no.. I feel sorry for him. I pity him.. Because if we catch him here, and torture him or whatever, nothing will be nearly as bad as what he will catch after he dies.. That will be his TRUE punishment.
Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6208 posts, RR: 42 Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2840 times:
My personal life has not changed at all in the past 365 days. I do indeed feel for those that lost a loved one on September 11, 2001 I but most of us have been through the same loss.
Professionally I am busier and earn 15% more.
Tomorrow I shall studiously ignore all the false patriotism and "moments of silence."
If I see one more US flag flying in the rain or unlit at night I'm afraid that I will be forced to knock on the persons door and explain proper flag etiquette.
What is it with all the "is there a possibilty airline X will.." threads? The answer it'll is possible.
Apathoid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2838 times:
I was stuck in Phoenix at Honeywell school. Away from my very frightened wife and kids. With no way to get home. I will not apologize for saying it was absolutely horrible and I will never forget that day nor forgive those who did it to us. I don't want to understand them, I just want to watch them all breath their last. God bless America, again.
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2817 times:
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I was sitting somewhere at FL350 in a NW 757 somewhere over Ohio. My coworker and I were taking a DAY TRIP to BOS, as we took the 7am flight out and were going to take the 7pm flight home. We went with the clothes on our back (I brought some reading materials, my cell phone charger and stuff for my contact lenses). My coworker notices we did a big 180-degree turn in the air. The captain announces that the airline had been the target of an unspecified terrorist threat and that the whole fleet was being grounded immediately as a precaution. The first thing on my mind was what was in the cargo holds below. What if there was something down there that was going to be the end for us all? All I thought is that if that was the case I hope I am incinerated before I know what happened and don't live to fall from this altitude. We were diverted to DTW as that was the closest place to land. On the jetway in, a guy is looking at his web browser on his cell phone and says something about a plane crashed into the Twin Towers in New York. I'm thinking this was an accident. Moments later I hear some lady in the terminal exclaiming about how a plane had crashed into the Pentagon. At that point it became clear that this was no accident. At this point I ended up in a panic over what my future was going to be from that day forward. How could something like this happen here? Were we going to start a gigantic war? Would I somehow end up in a draft for this war? Much more to tell about the adventure of getting home but I'm sure you all have read more than enough of my story...
Ihadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6026 posts, RR: 59 Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2803 times:
Last year on Sept 11 I was sleeping soundly after working a 12 hour shift in the ER when I received a phone call from my sister-inlaw who lives downstairs telling be that two planes hit the Twin Towers. Shortly after watching the newscasts I received a call fro the hospital that they were on alert for possible victims from NYC or other areas (at this time they were going by initial reports of 50,000+ people being possibly injured) being in BUF we are 440 miles from NYC and we were told that we could receive injuries either from NYC or overflow from hospitals closer to NYC. Since I was not scheduled to go to work until 1500 I kept on watching the news and surfing the web (a.net of course, just before I joined).
I went to work at about 1400 and since we were becoming more and more sure that we were not going to get anyone from NYC we just went about our duties and tried to watch as much news as we could.
Late in the day they came up with a plan to send some Paramedics, emts and nurses to ground zero to help relieve the overworked medical staff there, I did not have the opportunity to go and stayed in BUF, those who went were there for about 3-5 days and brought as much supplies as they could carry, I still remember the news footage of all the ambulances lined up going down I-90 with a State Trooper escort.
Sorry to babble on, but as I was typing more memories kept on coming to me
Pray hard but pray with care For the tears that you are crying now Are just your answered prayers
Deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1590 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2795 times:
I live on the west coast and therefore was totally asleep while the world was changing. I was awaken at 8AM by my mother on the phone, talking really fast and trying to tell me what was going on. All I could do was say, "Are you kidding me?!" and yell it at her over and over again. I turned on the TV to see the massive dust/smoke cloud covering lower Manhatten. It was utter disbelief. What is so strange for me is that exactly a year later, I never got over that feeling. A year later, I still feel in a state of shock and confusion now as I did that very morning the moment I learned of it.
Sebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3667 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2778 times:
By the way Alpha-1, the world stopped to turn 1 year ago as you say. But why didn't the world stop to turn when it discovered the 6 millions jews killed in the concentration camps ? Or the 50 Millions dead people in the war ?
Oh, they were not all Americans ! Sorry to have compared insignificant people to good and brave Americans.
I just still can't believe you were serious.
How many terrorist attacks will you suffer until you understand this attitude is the reason why you are attacked ? Just like the US attitude in Iraq. Just to have more control over the oil price, Bush will trigger another war. US and European citizens will pay the price, later. Terrorists, unfortunately, will make us pay for this idiot.
Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2718 times:
The only thing we are awash with is the pablum from the heartless and non sympathetic. My oh my! Wait till the Americans wake up this morning and start reading some of this insanity on here.
Is it any wonder that people are leaving these forums in droves? Very poor form indeed.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 21 Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2712 times:
It is the Americans who are most ignorant Clipperhawaii.
Yes, a lot of people died over there. But a lot of those were not US citizens and you don't take that into account AT ALL.
Also, the world didn't stop turning. In fact, except for those dead people and those they leave behind nothing of substance happened at all (at least in the long term meaning more than a few weeks) that wouldn't have happened anyway at a somewhat later date.
Yes, some people lost their jobs because their company was in the WTC and was destroyed. But then, others got jobs or were able to keep them because they work for security companies or companies providing security equipment.
The Afghan people got help which rid them of their government a few months or years earlier than would otherwise have happened. This may well have saved more than the 3000 lives lost in the US.
The economic slowdown sped up a bit, but not as much by far as originally feared. In fact, it may even have helped as the recovery now also starts sooner.
Besides, does the US ever take notice of the victims of terrorism in other countries?
Northern Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, the Philipines, Colombia, Venezuela, Israel, the list goes on.
Most US people wouldn't be able to point out those countries on a map of the world, let alone know that people die there all the time (in Germany and France, the terrorists have been mostly defeated by now). And even if they knew, they'd not consider it reason to mourn over it, it's far away isn't it?
Yes, it's sad when people die. When a lot of people die the impact is greater on a personal level as more people are hit by it.
But the world doesn't end. I knew none of those people, so I feel no loss. Just like you feel no loss for my grandmother who died several years ago, something for which I don't blame you.
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 75 Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2697 times:
To all the people crying about the title, it was made clear that it was taken from a song title. Country music or not.
I personally would not say that "The World Stopped Turning", but in America, it was a huge tragedy. For many other countries worldwide that lost some oof their people, it was a huge tragedy. By this thread, nobody is trying to say everything revolves around America. The pure hatred that is fueled only by ignorance on these forums is not only sickening, its down right scary. And that goes for those Americans that "hate the towelheads" ect. Hate in reverse is just as damaging as well. Funny that the hate can't stop flowing for one day. Actually it isn't funny.
As for me, and where I was. I was at work. It was a slow day, and I was listening to Howard Stern. One of the frist to publically announce what had happened. He could see things as they went down, from the window in his studio, as the building he was in was only a couple of miles away. I sat in shock listening to the happenings, and had a numb feeling. I will be honest and say there were no long lasting effects on my life. Phsyce maybe, but eventually you have to get over it.
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again"
Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2694 times:
I think your perspective is flawed and a tad bit cynical Jwenting. Too much generalizing and broad assumptions don't make for a good post. Not sure how you would EVER know what Americans think or know.
Nice try though.
"You Can't Beat The Experience"
25 Ben: The issue that we "negative" people are trying to make, is that the world didn't stop turning, because there is a world outside the borders of the USA
26 KROC: It is the Americans who are most ignorant Clipperhawaii. Yes, a lot of people died over there. But a lot of those were not US citizens and you don't t
27 KROC: The issue that we "negative" people are trying to make, is that the world didn't stop turning, because there is a world outside the borders of the USA
28 Aviatsiya.ru: Exactly Ben. If there is a point on this earth which is the centre of the world, I don't know where that is. But I do know that the sun shines out of
29 Clipperhawaii: That bandwagon you mention KROC is headed down the dirt road called the ash heap of history. We all know full well that THAT kind of double speak and
30 Super Em: I remember that day very well. It was a cool and normal day. I got up and went to work as normal. I was sitting in my car listening to the radio while
31 Clipperhawaii: Funny how just a little title, "Where Were You When The World Stopped Turning?" has got so many people from overseas bent out of shape. Frankly it is
32 Ts-ior: Has the world stopped turning ? When did that happen ? I didn't feel it !!!
33 Ben: Clipperhawaii, Yes, just that little title: "Where Were You When The World Stopped Turning?". Simply because the world didnt stop turning. I'm not say
34 BNE: Like someone said above the title Where were you when the world stop Turning is a figure of speech don't take it out of proportion. I was on holidays,