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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Usual flaming of anyone who has a pop at America, and it's gov't. Here is my response, which I was going to tack onto the end of a long thread ("To Those Who Bash America") but I want to know what Americans think of what I've said so I'm starting a new topic:

No country browbeats the rest of the world like America does about how much better it is than everyone else. And it really gets annoying. I've been to the US on biz and on holiday a total of about 15 times, and I really like the place and it's people. I love tall buildings, hard-working and friendly people, big portions of food, and cheap consumer goods. So it really is my kind of place, don't get me wrong.

But it's version of democracy stinks, all that TV advertising, big business' vested interest, Supreme Court appointing a president against the wishes of the electorate (or the tiny part thereof that actually bothered to vote), ugh. And I don't rate America's so-called freedom of speech that highly. You can say what you want without arrest, but you will be ostracised by society for a huge range of sentiments, whereas in other countries you can say what you want without fear of arrest OR ostracisation. Good quality of life, good opportunities if you're white, 7/10 for freedom, 4/10 for democracy. Neither the greatest country on earth or the worst.

But here's the other thing: if something can't take a bit of criticism or questioning (be it a religion, nation, whatever), then it's not that great. If you criticised the UK, most Brits (however patriotic) would agree with you. Americans should be more willing to recognise it's own weaknesses (there are a few, contrary to domestic belief), it might learn something. Instead, a critic of the US gov't is accused of "slamming" (what an idiotic term) the country, being an appeaser, god knows what else. It's that whole "with us or against us" thing, well, I'm both, depends on the issue at hand. But the more I get lectured about how American democracy and freedom is superior to anyone else's (which clearly isn't the case), the more I fall into the latter camp, along with the rest of the world, despite there being much to respect, admire and love in the nation that stretches from sea to shining sea.


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

PS, to show I really do like the place, I'll add that contrary to worldwide belief, I think America is a very cultural place with the best museums on earth, the best film industry (and I'm not talking about Arnie et al, I mean stuff like Network, Apocalypse Now, Bladerunner, Annie Hall), some excellent writers, the best TV (Larry Sanders, Sex In The City)...OK, and the worst TV as well (everything except Larry & SitC). But still the best museums.

And here's one that'll really upset the Euro Snobs, I think Americans are really intelligent. Even in the sticks where people don't know what continent Vietnam is on (60% of Americans couldn't answer this in a poll), you should listen to a sports talk radio show. These people really know their shit.

So you see I really am a friend, just trying to get a bit of discussion going.



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User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1959 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

The US is big enough that we get plenty of critical voices from within. The last thing we need is everyone on the planet telling us how to run our country. That is why you will find resentment when you brasenly criticize us. It's like walking down the street and saying "hey lady, you're fat, go exercise. Hey man you're ugly get plastic surgery. Hey boy your mom's ugly so you suck." It's easy to do this when you have the internet facade or the atlantic ocean to hide behind but in actuality you'd never come here and make a public speach about such things. I dare you to come here as a tourist then get up on your political high horse and tell us how to run our country. I know you wouldn't do it, because it's just not the way decent people behave. I certainly don't do such things when I visit other countries. My suggestion to you: Don't do anything here that you would be afraid to do in person.

User currently offlineApathoid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

Nice try, slick. But, America is not a democracy as we try so often to explain to you socialists. We are a republic. A democracy may exist inside of the republic, but they are seperate entities and that was by design. You complain about things you don't understand. The greatest freedom we enjoy in America is the one that allows us to openly criticize our government and our fellow citizens.

User currently offlineApathoid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Oh, and by the way, our Constitution does not require us to care what the rest of the world thinks. Personally, I don't care what you or your pathetic little country thinks or does. If you don't vote here, what you think doesn't matter....another of the great benefits of being a republic.

User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Cedarjet, I read in your profile that your age is between 75 and 84. If this is true I think it is really amazing that someone of your age learned how to operate a computer and internet! My compliments. Furthermore I think that the US can be quite arrogant at times, but I think that when I would live in the US I would be very proud of it too just like the American citizens nowadays(and I know that a lot of people who do not live in the US would be too). But I must say I am perfectly happy here in the Netherlands.

PH-BFA


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Cedarjet, I've heard a lot of crying from other people that when they critisize the US, they are instantly labelled a 'US-basher' (or whatever). I actually disagree with that. Lots of people have acutely complained about the US, including many Americans themselves. So what. They won't get this label instantly. No, its comes over time. You see, the people around here that do carry the label of 'US-basher' have worked a long time to get it. They go much further than constructive acute critical comments. These people absolutely loathe the USA and its success as a nation. They CONSTANTLY piss on the US at every opportunity and don't so much get mad at US mistakes, but gloat about them. You can tell these people could never bring themselves to say ANYTHING good about the US, minus a few hollow attempts to shake the label. When these people are called on their disproportional hatred, they cry like babies saying they are being labeled because they had the nerve to 'critisize'. Nope. Its a pattern; an obsession. The funny thing is, the motivation behind these people is incredibly transparent, yet they keep crying. They know they loathe the USA and we know they do. But for some reason, they keep crying.

"No country browbeats the rest of the world like America does about how much better it is than everyone else."

I agree with your here. But I don't think that's a bad thing. I guess that's just the way we are. Since you've been here, I'm sure you've noticed that the brow-beating doesn't stop at just pride in the country. Within our borders, we say the same kind of thing to each other based on geographical-region, state, city, sports-team, school, favorite make of car, etc, etc, etc. There's just a lot of pride and competitve spirit in America. I don't know why. Its just the way it is. Most of us really believe this is the best country to live in. We have a lot to be proud of. There are embarrassing issues to, and we generally don't mind discussions about them. But we don't want some whiny envious US-hater to come around and throw it back in our faces in order to keep their charade going that this is such a terrible place. We can smell these clowns a mile away and all the crying in the world won't convince us they simply hate us for who we are and it doesn't matter what we do, they will always hate us.

"And it really gets annoying."

Yeah, I know. Those Ohio people really think their shit doesn't stink Big grin
(referring to the Ohio/Indiana border rivalry)

"I've been to the US on biz and on holiday a total of about 15 times, and I really like the place and it's people. I love tall buildings, hard-working and friendly people, big portions of food, and cheap consumer goods. So it really is my kind of place, don't get me wrong."

I hope every visit is enjoyable for you.




"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Apathoid,

The greatest freedom we enjoy in America is the one that allows us to openly criticize our government and our fellow citizens.

And this is different from Europe how?

Personally, I don't care what you or your pathetic little country thinks or does.

Wait... Weren't you one of the crybabies complaining in another thread how all your posts had been deleted and how it was so unfair? Well, when you openly INSULT another nation by calling their homeland a 'PATHETIC little country', you shouldn't be surprised, really. I don't recall the last time anyone calling the US a 'pathetic country' and getting away with it...

If you don't vote here, what you think doesn't matter...

Yeah, that's the attitude... put on the blinkers and close your eyes to the rest of the world.  Yeah sure


User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

Apathoid wrote:

>>"Personally, I don't care what you or your pathetic little country thinks or does."



What an embarrassment for your country you are, Apathoid. I have been quick to condemn attacks on the US, so I must condemn your idotic and belittling attack of the UK as well. You should be ashamed of yourself.

To everybody else: Apathoid is a part of a TINY minority of Americans. I call them "brain-dead conservatives." Most conservatives are not like that; in fact, many are reasonable and intelligent people.

Apathoid and his brand of far-right conservatives, however, do not have the mental capability to grasp the concept of a world outside US borders. They are so insecure about their twisted and moronic worldview that they are driven to lash out against people and places they know nothing about. In their perverted little minds, everything different and foreign immediately becomes a threat to their worthless existence. Everyone that does not fit into their simplistic stereotype is a potential danger and must be belittled. They even resort to misinterpreting the Consitition in order to further their backward fundamentalist cause.

They claim to be American patriots, but their views show that they are some of the most un-American people out there.


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

I think what bothers Americans most is that they do a hell of a lot of good for the world, they donate more equipment, they give the most in world aid, they run to everyones rescue when needed, more troops to the UN, to NATO etc, basically America supplies more aid to the world than anyone else by a mile, and get no appreciation for it, so it is hard to stomach the criticism when they don't get it right

Jeremy


User currently offlineToady From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

If you don't vote here, what you think doesn't matter...
Problem is, when Cedarjet wrote his words, he wasn't in America. This website may be Swedish owned and used by a large number of Americans but it is, in effect, sitting somewhere in international airspace. Whatever is said by a person of whatever nationality has equal validity. When an American, (or any other national) posts here, he or she is projecting themselves into the international community - he or she is coming into my home and making his or her voice heard here. When we post and read the messages, we may well be physically within our own country's borders but the words themselves do not recognise or respect those borders.
So, if an American poster projects his or her thoughts into Cedarjet's home, he has every right to take umbrage and to pass negative comment. To draw an analogy between doing that and going to America to voice the same opinion is preposterous.


Right, having got that out of the way, I'll make my own comment on the US. I openly wear my 'pro' USA feelings on my sleeve and when all's said and done, I have to say that at the present time America is the better place to live in - compared to my own country, Britain.
However, there is one (and only one) aspect of American culture that grates with me. Yes, it's the implied suggestion that the US is the only country worthy of respect. I guess I could sum it up with this example "The land of the free and the home of the brave". Whether or not Americans take those words at face value (and I really don't know if they do or do not), they imply to the world at large that America, and only America, is free and brave. A more accurate (if somewhat more clumsy!) version would be "One of the lands of some of the free and one of the homes of some of the brave". Seriously, if there's any Western nation that is less free and less brave than America, I've yet to hear of it. I feel that any country that has any measure of international presence should be mindful of how they are perceived by other nations. After all, even a country as large and mighty as the USA is a weak minority when compared to all the rest of the world.

In closing, I must say that this one reservation of mine doesn't lessen my liking of America or my love for my American friends; it just makes me sometimes feel like saying "Oh come on guys, get real...."


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Apathoid

You are typically the kind of person that gives a so bad image of your great country to the rest of the world. Luckily, not all of your compatriots have this bad behavior.



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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

"Yes, it's the implied suggestion that the US is the only country worthy of respect. I guess I could sum it up with this example "The land of the free and the home of the brave""

Toady, for what its worth, I've always taken that line to imply that America and Americans are free and brave with no implications either way toward any other citizens.



"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineToady From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

JetService, if truth be told, of the 30+ Americans with whom I have close personal friendships, there's but 1 who fits the stereotype of the brash boastful Yank. All the others share your well-balanced and measured viewpoint.
The crux of the matter (US bashing) is whether the foreigner truly knows America. If I knew only this 1 friend, I too would probably bash America. However, I do have close ties to America and I consider myself to be relatively well-informed about your country and its people. It's this knowledge and intimacy that imparts to me the same well-balanced and measured viewpoint as you have.
I suspect, too, that the few stereotypical Yanks are that way because they don't know anything other than America.

It causes me genuine sadness that so many non-Americans do not display any desire to acquaint themselves with the US. If they were to do so, I think we'd see a lot less of the obnoxious and childish bashing.
On the other hand, it would be nice if more of you guys would come over here once in a while  Smile


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

The greatest freedom we enjoy in America is the one that allows us to openly criticize our government and our fellow citizens

Seems to me like you and your Gestapo crowd only like to criticize fellow citizens when they criticize our government.



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1369 times:
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Personally, I don't care what you or your pathetic little country thinks or does

It's a real shame that a great nation like America has people like you with those type of attitudes.

Simply breathtaking ignorance.




In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

"The last thing we need is everyone on the planet telling us how to run our country..."

"That is why you will find resentment when you brasenly criticize us"

Some tell me how do these equate? You cannot because they do not. No one on the world is "telling the USA how to run this country", it is just criticism, a natural part of intelligent beings as we realize that we are not the only one's around here!

Perhaps we need to review the definision of Criticize:

Main Entry: crit·i·cize
Pronunciation: 'kri-tuh-"sIz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -cized; -ciz·ing
Date: 1649
intransitive senses : to act as a critic
transitive senses
1 : to consider the merits and demerits of and judge accordingly : EVALUATE
2 : to find fault with : point out the faults of
- crit·i·ciz·able /-"sI-z&-b&l/ adjective
- crit·i·ciz·er noun
synonyms CRITICIZE, REPREHEND, CENSURE, REPROBATE, CONDEMN, DENOUNCE mean to find fault with openly. CRITICIZE implies finding fault especially with methods or policies or intentions (criticized the police for using violence). REPREHEND implies both criticism and severe rebuking (reprehends the self-centeredness of today's students). CENSURE carries a strong suggestion of authority and of reprimanding (a Senator formally censured by his peers). REPROBATE implies strong disapproval or firm refusal to sanction (reprobated his son's unconventional lifestyle). CONDEMN usually suggests an unqualified and final unfavorable judgment (condemned the government's racial policies). DENOUNCE adds to CONDEMN the implication of a public declaration (a pastoral letter denouncing abortion).


If you do not adhiere to this, you may be flamed, note that I may not be the one doing it. Big grin

How hard it is to ignore criticism and go on with your lives? Some, if not all of you, are so damned hell insecure!



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Arsenal@LHR wrote:

>>"It's a real shame that a great nation like America has people like you with those type of attitudes."



Agreed. As I've mentioned, while people like Apathoid claim to be patriots, they are some of the most un-American people out there. Fortunately, they represent just a tiny (but despicable) minority of all Americans. True Americans are as disturbed by such displays of brain-dead ignorance as you are.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1337 times:
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Refreshing to know that it's only a tiny percentage of people that have apathoids views like PHX-LJU mentioned. All the americans i've met in London and the US itself were awesome people, relaxed, gentle, outgoing and a great sense of humour.

I remember he bad-mouthed the whole of the UK in another thread, how ironic is that in the post september 11th days?




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User currently offlineToady From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

He only bad-mouths Britain because he's jealous of this country  Smile Smile

User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Im American, I absolutely love Europe (UK especially), and everything about it (cars, cultures, history, did I mention the cars?, and food (except the UK Big grin ). It is hard for me to take criticism... especially when its senseless blind US bashing that isnt constructive in any way. I really really loathe those people that take it upon themselves to point out every teeny weeny weakness in our country, and just LOVE pointing it out.. I mean, its the biggest form of insecurity I think Ive EVER seen. Their so-called "criticism" isnt even constructive.. They dont offer solutions, and when they actually DO, theyre what most of us would consider fundamentalist crazy stuff. America does do alot of good for the world, but nobody EVER talks about it. Sadly enough, Europe's media has given George Bush a worse reputation than Saddam Insane. Select people here just have this thing about them where they constantly go on and on about how Bush is a moron. All the while Saddam is gassing the Kurds and setting up rape-camps in Kuwait.. Nobody says anything about him. It takes alot to say that youre gonna "go it alone" and attack another country all by yourself, but if thats what has to be done than so be it. I dont wanna be vaporized by Saddam's nukes, if he has any. And if he DIDNT have nukes or chem weapons, why would he object to inspectors? Please, folks.. Heads out of the sand.

George Bush may be plain spoken, but I like it. It brings him down to the level of the common man, the man whos opinion matters most. It makes me proud when George Bush gets choked up or gets watery eyes when September 11th is mentioned. It tells me that he's...well... just like me. A common man with feelings. But to some "other" people, this display would be considered childish.. He's just like us, folks. He has that "childs patriotism", just like most of us do. Tell me you dont get all excited and proud when you see flags and hear bands playing patriotic tunes? I know I do, my spine tingles with pride. But, oh no, I cant say this because some people would consider it "in your face" US imperialism. Since when was I not allowed to be proud? Im not bashing your country, let me be proud of mine.

And one other thing, we havent heard the end of the Pretzel incident yet. Havent YOU ever choked on anything? Havent you ever been eating something and it just happens to "go down the wrong pipe"?? Remind me and I wont let you hear the end of it. Give the guy a break, he's trying to run this superpower and doing a damn good job of it, I think. He's recorded THE highest approval ratings ever attained by a president. That should say SOMETHING..

Oh, and By the way, we dont need any baseless US-bashing from people around the world, we have Berkeley, California, the place where the National Anthem is banned.

Sorry that my argument is kinda all over the charts.. this all flowed into my head as I wrote it.



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1284 times:

I agree with you Bob

Speaking as a European and a American  Smile


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

I think Artsyman stated it best. I don't see other countries running around the world helping anyone out. We do it all the time and we don't get JACK SHIT in return, except for the rest of the world dumping on us. That's why we get pissed off about it. I think our government is run by incompetants, and so do most of my friends, and I agree with other countries that think the same thing. But when you rag on us about a screwup, or wanting to do something FOR OURSELF for once, that just irritates me. Bin Laden blew up New York, who came jumping to our aid? What's that? I can't hear you? Oh, nobody? We want to go blow up the terrorists, justifiable, but then we get slammed for being trigger happy. We want to kick Saddam into last week, oh, you don't want us to do that because you want to trade with the dickhole. Granted invasion isn't the way to go, that's just G-Double-Ya trying to look good and failing like the idiot he is.

I think this letter (from a Canadian) put it best (posted here shortly after 9-11-01).

This is from a Canadian newspaper.

AMERICA : THE GOOD NEIGHBOR

Widespread, but only partial news coverage was given recently
to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon
Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator.

What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed
in the Congressional record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans
as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people
on all the Earth. Germany, Japan, and to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted out of the debris of War by the Americans who pour-
ed in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of
these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining
debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans
who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled
on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When the earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that
hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened
by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into
discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing
about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of
those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States
dollar build its own airplane.

Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing
Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC-10? If so, why
don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia
fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider
putting a man or woman on the moon?

You talk about the Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.

You talk about the German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about the American technocracy, and you find men on the moon.
Not once, but several times and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs in the store
window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not
pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them,
unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars
from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
through age, it was Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania
and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose.
Both are still broke.

I can name you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help other
people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else
raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help
even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I am one Canadian who is damned
tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this
thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to
thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present
troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of those.



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User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1270 times:

I think some people are WAY too insecure and sensitive. Living in Europe, I get a daily serving of harsh criticism against the U.S. and its government (favorite topics include GWB II and big cars that guzzle a lot of gas). From my experience, most of these people don't fully understand the U.S. and take the simplier route to judge instead of investigate. But what can you do about this? Why should I get upset and all bent out of shape? To what end?

Carry on. It matters very little to me what anyone thinks of the U.S. Hearing the anthem played does not stir patriotic feelings within my breast and seeing the flag does not make me want to salute. Someone badmouthing the U.S. has absolutely no effect on me. If you wish to engage me in some patriotic brainless dribble you're wasting your time. People are people, no matter where you go. We all have our burdens to bear. Your country of birth has absolutely no bearing in the grand scheme of things as we're all simply trying to do the best with what we have. Anyone who believes their country of birth makes them somehow more "equal" than others are to be pitied and left in isolation.

In the end I'd much rather focus my attention on my goals in life and on those I love.


User currently offlineApathoid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1267 times:

"...those I love..."

Yourself chief among them, eh Hepkat?

 Insane


25 Skyway1 : Who gives a damn what people say about the United States....just let it roll right off your back. Just don't call anybody a p**pstain or pig, that's h
26 JetService : Looks like we're all a little sensitive. Maybe Americans are quick to take exception to critisism, but on the same token, a lot of you folks get real
27 Twaneedsnohelp : It matters very little to me what anyone thinks of the U.S. This is a very frightening statment. The 10th-grade textbook for one of the five required
28 V Jet : "I think Artsyman stated it best. I don't see other countries running around the world helping anyone out. We do it all the time and we don't get JACK
29 Post contains images Nik : Ralgha, "I don't see other countries running around the world helping anyone out." How arrogant is that?? All Western European countries have soldiers
30 Pacificjourney : To be fair Nik Denmark only appears to be so genorous (rather than simply genorous) is because most of it's money goes to Greenland which is only a no
31 Hepkat : Apathoid: Well, considering that 8 years ago I was an immature and sensitive individual who didn't love himself too much, then yeah. I am proud to say
32 Nik : "To be fair Nik Denmark only appears to be so genorous (rather than simply genorous) is because most of it's money goes to Greenland which is only a n
33 Pacificjourney : In the tables I see (mainly in The Economist publications) Denmark always has an * noting the anomaly of Greenland but Denmark is still one of the mos
34 JetService : "Being proud of something suggests you've worked hard for it, that you've put in some measure of diligence and energy to see it come to past." I see p
35 Go Canada! : "When the Europeans offered soldiers to help the US in Afghanistan, the US didn't want them." sorry, nik thats wrong, britain was the first to send tr
36 Post contains images Arsenal@LHR : Bin Laden blew up New York, who came jumping to our aid? What's that? I can't hear you? Oh, nobody? Here is another person with a very short memory. H
37 Post contains links and images Arsenal@LHR : i suppose you didn't read this thread either, in the same forum. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/279195/
38 ADG : Bin Laden blew up New York, who came jumping to our aid? What's that? I can't hear you? Oh, nobody 1. Bin Laden DID NOT blow up New York. 2. Nobody? S
39 Bigo747 : Are you trying to say that criticizing American's policy is equal to Bashing America?
40 Staffan : "I don't see other countries running around the world helping anyone out. We do it all the time and we don't get JACK SHIT in return, except for the r
41 Lehpron : Ralgha: "I don't see other countries running around the world helping anyone out" That is only because US newsmedia will only show anything related to
42 Post contains images Alpha 1 : No country browbeats the rest of the world like America does about how much better it is than everyone else. Nobody is ACCUSED of this more than anybo
43 Boeing4ever : 1. Bin Laden DID NOT blow up New York. No, his henchmen hijacked four airliners and knocked down 2 of New Yorks tallest skyscrapers, killing 3000 peop
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