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What Constitutes A Minority? (college Admissions)  
User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

I have been trying to figure this out for a while.. I tried asking around, not a straight answer anywhere. What exactly constitutes a minority for a college? I know that hispanics are considered a minority, as are African-Americans. But is there more? Indians, Asians, etc...? What about mixes. If someone has a parent from...Africa and another from...India or asia..are they a minority in the eyes of an admissions staff member?

[sigh] the only thing more stressful than college is worrying about getting into the one of your choice...

University of Michigan-Ann Arbor: My No.1 choice. Please Please!

-FSP

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User currently offlineCO 757 200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

Anyone that's not a caucasian is considered a minority,so if you are not of european descent, you have nothing to worry about......if you are european descent,with the way University of Michigan is,then I'd start looking at other schools as well just in case to be on the safe side.I say that from indirect experience (had a friend rejected for admission last year just because of that)

User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

Actually, "minority" does not include Asians since Asians aren't really an "underprivileged" minority. When I was applying to college, I noticed that African Americans and Hispanics could get into Ivy League (and Stanford, Duke, and Georgetown) schools with levels of high school work and literacy that top-rank Asians and Caucasians exhibit in their high school sophomore years.

Did you know that at Michigan, getting a perfect 1600 on the SAT counts for 1/4 of the admissions weighting as being a member of an underprivileged minority counts?

stupid PC admissions officers.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6299 times:

Ahhh, nothing like another pet liberal cause (affirmative action)!!


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

The U-M system is crazy like that. You get about 75 points for having a 3.7 unweighted GPA...bout 11 for getting a 30 on your ACT..bout 5-10 for having amazing extra curriculars and activities..like 1 for having alumni..and TWENTY..for being a minority. It's like "Congratulations! your hispanic! welcome to Michigan!!!"

its ludicrous. But i want to go to UofM so badly it hurts. I'm giving it my all. I'm trying to fly over in the next few weeks to visit the campus and talk to an admissions counselor, take the tour(even though ive been there tons of times)..just so theycan see that im INTERested in going, and not just applying here and there.

take care--wish me luck!,
-FSP


User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

Write a nice-long letter to the admin saying how much you love this school and how much you want to go there. We all know why AA is needed...........because of conservative caused racism.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Hey David. lol, I can't write a letter like that! I mean a have a fairly good GPA with honors and AP classes (you can see in my earlier post about "Calculus necessary for college")..my only downside is that im out of state... I am thinking about going to the campus in the next few weeks, setting up an appointment with an admissions counselor to discuss things, and take the campus tour session..yes i know that means flying down all the way from cali.. This way at least they can see im serious about going, and not just applying here and there.

regards,
FSP


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6254 times:

African American
Hispanic no matter the color of your skin
Asian
Native American
Pacific Islander
Native Alaskan


redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6251 times:

Redngold: Yes but is that so in the eyes of universities? Asian isn't so much minority anymore...at least not here in california and the UC system as far as I know, because asians are a majority here now, lol

-FSP


User currently offlineSEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6242 times:

If its that easy to get into U. of Michigan as a "minority," then why isn't that campus predominately black/Latino/Native American/Disabled? Last time I was there, you could practically count the numbers of "minorities" on your hands and toes.

In short, there's no truth to these suburban legends told by the young, underachieving conservative kids with racist parents.

Trust me.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

Depending on the state you're in minority can mean anything. However, more often than not it means underrepresented minorities which include Black, hispanic and native american students. Asians, especially in California and New York, are not considered minorities for purposes of college admissions. What I find rather amusing is that after conservative groups lobbied to stop the UC system from using affirmative action to admit students it wasn't the percentage of White students that went up at UC Berkeley but the percentage of Asian students who incidentally had the highest combination of SAT scores and GPAs. So then the refrain heard was that "those" Asians were just messing up the chances of good ol white students from being admitted.

As far as CO 757's crap about how if youre not Caucasian you have nothing to worry about, I guess he should go tell that to the millions of non-Caucasian students around America who bust their butts in high school to get good grades and the highest SAT scores. Perhaps, he should board a CO 757 and visit the campus of MIT or CalTech and see that the percentage of Asians there is nearly 50%.

Also, having tutored students at Princeton Review for the SATs, LSATs and GMATs, I can assure you that it is easy to raise your scores by at least 300 points by dishing out the big bucks to these organizations, money that underprivileged students from lower class urban neighborhoods do not have. So when people cite statistics as to how black and latino students have lower SAT scores on average, I would have to say that college admissions officers factor in their family incomes viz a viz those of upper middle class suburban kids to determine if statistical access to entrance exam preparatory classes is evident. Lastly, having been a preliminary interviewer for my own Ivy League College for students I can assure you that any white student with good grades and a competitive SAT score who hails from a low income family (especially rural families) will have no trouble whatsoever getting into any college of his/her choice.

The mythical white scholar athlete with a perfect 4.0 GPA and a 1600 SAT score who got rejected by Harvard and Berkeley is just as likely to exist as the Unicorn.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

I think that the success of the Asian (or Oriental, if you prefer) populations in the U.S. and elsewhere just shows that the disparity of living standards between the dîfferent races is the result of the amount of work/play each is willing to do, much more than racist attitudes.

How come I rarely see Asians playing basketball, rapping, hangin' out in front of the 7-11, joining a band? They are too busy studying!

Charles



User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6204 times:

Well, I for one am glad that we have basketball, rap music, and bands here in the US. Also, depending on where you live you will see folks of different hues hanging out in front of the 7-11. Incidentally, on a different note altogether, some 7-11s began blasting classical music and opera to rid their portals of undesirable folk and it seemed to have worked.

User currently offlineHartsfieldboy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 552 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

I have the difficulty (just with PC form-filling bullshit, it's great for everything else) of being half white and half Latin (Brazilian), would I be considered a minority? When I applied for college I just chose "other" to increase my chances of being accepted  Smile

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

Dont tell me that white kids with 4.0s and 1600s dont get denied in favor of a minority with lower scores. That is a lie. In fact, affirmative action is so racist, that some schools are actually placing quotas on Asian admission. David, I find it ironic that you are calling people racists, considering the fact that you have made it quite clear that you hate all Jews.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineSEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

How come I rarely see Asians playing basketball, rapping, hangin' out in front of the 7-11, joining a band?


Probably because you've obviously have never been to Chinatown, or parts of Queens or Brooklyn where young Asians selling marijuana, crack, and illegal steroids and participating in gang fights is not all that uncommon.

And probably because you're basing all of your perceptions on what you see on TV and in magazines.


User currently offlineCO 757 200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

Excuse me Jaysit, my friend got rejected for admission there last year for just that reason, I just stated what I knew to be a claimed fact,as they had told him indirectly that if it wasn't for the "system",he would of been there(his exact words). I could react further to that flamebait, but I won't,as I know it isn't worth my time and effort to go mudslinging with someone who obviously thinks the answer is to swing mud if they disagree with a stated view.

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6184 times:
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It is a twisted concept.

I listed myself, back when i was in school, as OTHER. b/c I am American of Haitian descent. Yet, I look Hispanic.

1 year later, I was talking to my advisor and he asked "what are you?" I told him, then he asked, "can that be considered as black?" I said maybe.

2 days later, I get a scholarship for 13,000 a year x 3 years. Just because of a twist on words.

Minority is now an archiac term that needs redefinition.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6168 times:

CO 757 - your so-called facts are just as muddy as your crass arguments. More anecdotal nonsense that barely deserves a mention, rather than a whole paragraph I threw in for good measure. Did your friend get a letter from the University saying "Dear Mr/Ms.. Inspite of your impeccable credentials you are being denied admission because of some unqualified black/hispanic/native american sod?" I bet not. And as I pointed out, being non-Caucasian doesn't give you carte blanche to sit around and watch MTV as you so crassly implied. If that were the case, then you blatantly insult all those Asian kids - the media pronounced perfect minority - who bust their chops trying to make it to the school of their choice.

As far as the contention that someone with a perfect 4.00 and 1600 SATs was rejected in favor of a minority student with lesser scores... Where does that happen? At Harvard? At MIT? At Stanford? At the University of Virginia? I think not. Every single student I have interviewed with perfect scores got into schools of their choice.

Of course students with perfectly good - but not perfect - scores get passed over for all sorts of reasons: race, ethnicity, socio-economic background, gender, alumni standing, athletic ability, professed interest of major, etc. When I applied to colleges, I got into 3 of my top choices but got rejected by Stanford, my first choice. Thats life. Are racial categorizations perfect? No. A wealthy Hispanic 17-year old of European or mestizo racial heritage could easily have trumped my acceptance because she checked off the Hispanic box. Who knows? Maybe she was a budding opera singer or a gymnast? But the system isn't perfect. It works well 99% of the time, but sometimes you fall into the tail end of the curve and learn to live with it.


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Guys, this thread has been suggested for delete a few times for flamebait/harsh language. Although I agree there IS a possibility of things getting blown out of proportion, I nevertheless see no reason why this discussion shouldn't continue.

I'd like to ask everyone to keep the discussion civil and stick to the facts. Please refrain from personal attacking other users whose views you don't agree with.

Hepkat
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User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

Thanks for not just deleting me and all my posts, Hepkat.

Now here's my affirmative action question: Why don't they simply do it ECONOMICALLY? It seems to me that opportunity in this country is highly correlated with wealth and then with race. The root of the correlation is with wealth.

You have the damn shame of rich African-Americans getting in everywhere and poor white kids getting the shaft because of it.

The worst part is that at most Ivy League colleges they give minorities so much "support" that they add nothing to the community. Blacks and Hispanics don't sit together at the dining halls. They have their own "community houses". This is especially apparent at Dartmouth, where the rural nature of the community makes it difficult to get non-Asian minorities up here. So we have centers for Jews, Hispanics, and Asians to insulate themselves from the rest of the community.


User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

Dont tell me that white kids with 4.0s and 1600s dont get denied in favor of a minority with lower scores. That is a lie. In fact, affirmative action is so racist, that some schools are actually placing quotas on Asian admission. David, I find it ironic that you are calling people racists, considering the fact that you have made it quite clear that you hate all Jews.

True that happens but is quite rare. If a white boy has a 4.o and a 1600 SAT score he/she will get in. Regardless of school. As for your personal attack, well I think that AA should be modified to include the poor reguardless of race. I didnt complain about racism, you did. I said AA is needed because racism, sexism and the fact that the ruling class is dominated by white males.

Your last sentence was a personal attack and I voted for deletion of your post. Dont give me that BS.




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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

Not true, a guy in my class last year, he had a 4.3 GPA (with IB and AP classes), basically the kid never got a B, and he scored a 1600...rejected at Harvard and Yale (he ended up going to Cal-Berk). The ruling class??!? Where are we...India?!? Last time I checked we didnt have a caste system in America. Affirmative Action is a direct form of racism, it puts one race ahead of another...In America we call that racism. I dont care what the intention of AA is, it is still racist. Ruling class, thats actually pretty funny, especially when Democrats are the ones keeping minorities down by giving them handouts and not making people earn stuff.

Thats great that you wanted to delete my post...I dont care, it is the truth and anyone knows that after reading your posts about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

You have to bring that up because you cant defend yourself. Too damn bad. Yes people in power and high ranking position such as CEOs are white males. Only like 3 females and 5 minorities make up the CEOs for fourtune 500 companies. Yes it is racism but we need it. Would you hire a minority? Better yet would you hire a arab since you hate them so much?


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6080 times:

Why are you moaning? Because I know personally of an example that totally disproves your arguement?!? As for hiring someone who is a minority, are you kidding? If they are going to bring something to my company that I need... and I guarantee you 98% of those people in charge of hiring people agree with me. But, I'm not just going to hire someone as a token gesture, even though a white person is clearly more qualified then them. AA might have been needed in 1979, but it is clearly not needed today. I dont hate Arabs, I disagree with many of the Arab viewpoints on particular issues. Their is a difference between hate and disagreements.




America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
25 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : "How come I rarely see Asians playing basketball, rapping, hangin' out in front of the 7-11, joining a band? They are too busy studying!" You dissapoi
26 LOT767-300ER : "As far as the contention that someone with a perfect 4.00 and 1600 SATs was rejected in favor of a minority student with lesser scores... Where does
27 Cfalk : LOT767-300ER, While I would think that rebuilding a '69 Camaro is much more manly than one of these little toys, adding turbos, NOS, different gears,
28 Barcode : Harvard turns down half of all 1600 SAT scorers - perhaps they came across as well, a little ... dull, bookish perhaps? Not that that is a bad thing i
29 Jaysit : You can moan and grumble about AA all you want, but for every anecdotal evidence of some white person who got bumped off a preferred list in favor of
30 PROSA : You can moan and grumble about AA all you want, but for every anecdotal evidence of some white person who got bumped off a preferred list in favor of
31 Jcs17 : The next time you complain, think about the tens of thousands of Asians and Jews in the 60s and even the 70s who even after succeeding academically a
32 David B. : Oh yea you forgot about women. Even thought they outnumber men, they are consider social minorities.
33 Twaneedsnohelp : the key to getting into michigan is applying early to the school's rolling admissions program. send your application right now if you haven't already.
34 LOT767-300ER : Charles....ok they dont actually in their garage screwing on fart cannons....they just leave their car at the body shop which is owned by a white guy.
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