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Almost 1000 Dead In Senegalese Capsize  
User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 913 posts, RR: 10
Posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

Officials in Senegal have said that the ship carrying 1,034 passengers, was overcrowded, having been designed to carry about 500, and that it was never meant to go to sea, but remain in calm waters such as a lake. Only about 65 people have survived the accident, which occured when a gust of wind and heavy seas combined to capsize the ship.

Full story can be found here: http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/africa/09/29/senegal/index.html

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

The manufacturer of the ferry, "Neue Germersheimer Schiffswerft" (Germany) said that the ship was overloaded by nearly 100% and that possibly the cargo wasn't correctly tightened for a storm.

The victims were mostly from Senegal, but also 20 people from Gambia and 21 europeans from France, Spain, Switzerland, Belgium and the Netherlands.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5630 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1100 times:

Some reports are saying that the ferry was designed for use on the Rhein River. It couldn't handle the rough waters of the Atlantic.


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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

We will never forget!




... Insane



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1079 times:

Dam this is a huge disaster....close to 1000 people!!!! Imagine people talk about the likes of Titanic for generations but this disaster is pretty close in its scale..i cant imagine how horrific the scene must have been when all the people when into the car and the boat capsizing.

User currently offlineApathoid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1060 times:

Too bad there weren't any Americans on there, huh goodriddance? Then you would really have something to talk about...

User currently offlineKaiTakFan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1588 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

Ohh how cute! Look We're nutz is trying to be funny!

Its really sad to hear such a horrible event took place with so many people once again. I can only imagine how terrifying the disaster must have been. I am amazed that the ship was overloaded by 100% supposedly! Thats unreal to think load limits could be exceeded without any concerns. Heads need to roll for who ever allowed this ship to leave in such a dangerous configuration.


User currently offlineAirAfrique From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

I know a lot !!! of people who lost their live in that disaster  Sad  Crying

They overloaded the boat. I was just reading that the transport secretary and the defense secretary have resigned.

This should never happened  Pissed the army ( navy ) was responsible to operate
the ferry.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

You two (We're Nuts and Apathoid) are the two biggest hypocrits. In one statemnt, you manage to criticize Americans for not showing huge amounts of grief and then show no grief or support on your part. Way to go, you should be proud.

This is a terrible tragedy, and yet you take your shots.



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1024 times:

Oh bull. When have I ever shown grief? Never, that's when. And you'll never see the crap coming from this IP. Shit happens.

My post was just intended to show American arrogance.



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1016 times:

This is a terrible tragedy. When will people realize that "Maximum passengers 600" means NO MORE THAN 600 PASSENGERS ON BOARD AT ONCE!!!

redngold



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User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

A terrible disaster indeed. This ship shouldn't have been operating under these conditions. How sad. The victims and their familes have my condolences.


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User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 984 times:

1,000 people?!? Makes Tenerife look like car crash. Funny how plane crashes get so much more attention than, well, anything.

What the hell is wrong with you, We're Nuts??? Do you like anyone? What has gone so wrong in your life to make you so bitter to everyone? You need to seek some professional help.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 978 times:

What's worse than the death toll is that divers have found air pockets where many pax may have survived for hours until they died of hypothermia or suffocated from carbon dioxide buildup.

God bless the survivors and the families of those who were not.

redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 973 times:

TWAL1011;

Why should we're nuts care about anyone?

There are over 6 Billion people on this planet. I hate to break it to you but from a purely human standpoint we're a dime a dozen.

And People Die! Is that so hard to take?

I don't expect anyone to care when I die; so why should I expect anyone to care when anyone else dies?  Insane


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 956 times:

this was very upsetting. a thousand senegalese and no one knows let alone cares.

terrible tragedy, even worse when i read in the next article on cnn that some woman thanked god for looking out for her because she survived a bank robbery that occured across the street.

god looked out for her but not for 1,000 innocnet senegalese.

tnnh


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 942 times:

What good does anyone caring do? They'll still be dead.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 941 times:

Unfortunately, the truth remains that a Senegalese life is a darn sight less valuable on average than an American or even a European life. From a purely economic standpoint, this is the equivalent of maybe 50 Americans being killed somewhere. Senegal simply isn't important enough for the world to care.

User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 932 times:

The ferry was certified for unse in coastal waters which effectively means that it could be used in the Atlantic. The main factor was the over-loading and probably cargo-shifting. Another name in the long list of horrible ship desasters: "Estonia", "King of Scandinavia", "Hearald of free Enterprise", the philipine (?) desaster killing nearly 4,000 people... RIP all who lost their lifes...

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Flying-Tiger
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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 927 times:

.. King of Scandinavia? I thought it was Scandinavian Star! Oh well, it was probably the same ship, the owner changed its name so many times that noone was able to find out which ship was which

User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 916 times:

The way I look at it, it makes no sense technically to feel sorry for the dead. They're clearly in a much better position as we are, being removed from a life of sorrow and suffering. However as human beings, we do feel a sense of grief at the tragicness of the situation, or the senseless and preventable loss of life. We also feel compassionate for those family members, especially orphans, left behind.

But I do agree that it seems Third World lives are worth much less than a First World life. A thousand people suddenly dying in one tragedy would cause an unprecedented outpour of worldwide grief lasting several weeks had it occurred in the U.S.


User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 909 times:

The way We're Nuts argument is flawed, is in the fact that on Sept. 11 2001 3,000 people were murdered. The WTC attacks were no accident.

That said, I agree with Hepkat that unfortunately, disasters in develloped 1st world nations seem to be much more important then those that happen in 3rd world countries. Media coverage seems to be the main problem.  Sad

I cannot even fathom the helpless and horrible situations many people most have been caught in that night.

-Clovis


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 901 times:

on Sept. 11 2001 3,000 people were murdered.

Well I had to work with what I was given. Planes aren't falling out of the sky right now, thankfully.



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 893 times:

or even a European life

lmao, yeah, those third world europeans!!! Big grin


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 882 times:

How about a Canadian life? Or what about a Brazillian life? Or Japanese? It's really a shame what this topic has become. Someone posts a story, a really sad one at that, and we have a few people (including a forum moderator, no less  Insane) who make a few snide politcal remarks to ruin the purpose of this thread. And if some of you guys didn't have the beliefs that you did, would you even care about this story? Seriously...


How about leaving it as it is and keeping the political bullshit out of this. Is that too much to ask? I would hope not, but given the maturity of this place, it seems akin to asking someone to move mountains.


25 We're Nuts : Where would you prefer we put our "snide political remarks"? Maybe an Airliners.net "Snide Politcal Remarks" forum?
26 Twaneedsnohelp : why do we care? so perhaps a tragedy of this magnitude wont happen again, but africa is so inept and backward, i wouldnt bank on it. tnnh
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