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OK To Attack Saddam, But Not Palestinians?  
User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11223 times:

A few months ago the Palestinians killed dozens and dozens of innocent people and children by strapping themselves with C-4. WHY IRAQ AND NOT THE PALESTINIANS??? I would wish to have some expert to answer this question please. I dont get it, were supposed to fight terror and we just ignore the Palestinians??

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User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11075 times:

It's all a guilt thing as to why we don't fight the Palestinians.
Great Britian had quite a hand in establishing Israel and not doing anything about the Jews herding the Palestinians out. Most western countries feel that Israel has proven its legitimacy by trying several solutions to the problem; and we admire the Israelis for not allowing themselves to be driven into the sea when all their neighbors would seem to be happy to destroy them. However we don't want to fight the Palestinians becuase we feel sorry for them. I don't think the soulution they want is feasable; and I don't think their methods of resistance are noble; but I do recognize that they have a valid gripe. This makes moral judgement very hard. Also the Palestinians are a people; a group. We recognize that individuals in the group may not like the violence any more than we do. We recognize that not everyone there is filled with hatred. Also they are a minority group; we have been brainwashed by the liberal agenda (for better or worse in this case) to believe that it is not acceptable to hate a group of people. American's will not judge those who believe in Radical Islam the same way we judged the Germans or Japanese in WWII. It's not politically correct; however smart it may be from a self defense standpoint.

Saddam, however is an individual. Although it is often actually hard to hate an individual whom you know personally; it is quite easy to hate an individual that is demonized so thouroughly. Saddam Hussein is compared with Adolph Hitler; and not without reason. He kills his political opponents. He tests weapons on ethnic minorities in his country; He shot his own son. He already tried to take over Kuwait; He already tried to take over Iran. We know he is trying to import weapons grade Plutonium. We know he is not above using "Weapons of Mass Destruction". By all accounts he really has no redeeming qualities; therefore we don't feel bad in launching a war against him.


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11048 times:

I agree, Palestinian terror is absymal and should be desroyed.

However, the Palestinians are Israel's problem and Israel is cleaning up the mess. Iraq is the world's problem, so naturally the US will conduct the dirty work on that one.

lastly, you said "....a few months ago..." refferring to Palestinian suicide bombing. Were you not familiar with the attack just one week ago, where a Hamas Palestinian terrorist blew up a city bus in downtown Tel Aviv, murdering 6 innocent civilians, include a visiting Scottish student - murdered just because he was Jewish.













tnnh


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11059 times:

Amazingly, the family of the Scottish student donated his organs to save the life of a seven year old Palestinian girl.


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User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11054 times:

The Palestinians are in the same position as the Kurds or the Shia (Marsh Arabs). They are being occupied by a brutal oppressor, and like the Resistance fighting the Nazis during the Second World War - or the people that rose up against the Soviets in 1956 and 1968 - they have a legitimate right to try to secure their freedom.

Rather, a better question would have been given:

* Israel ignores UN resolutions against it
* Israel prohibits entry to UN Inspectors
* Israel has between 200 and 500 nuclear warheads
* Israel has biological weapons, including an 'ethnic bomb' jointly developed with their close friends, apartheid South Africa; and has used cholera and typhoid in Palestinian refugee camps (mainly in Lebanon)
* Israel has chemical weapons
* Israel has attacked a US warship, killing and wounding US servicemen
* Israel has used spies in the United States to steal its most sensitive secrets - and promptly given them to the Soviets, resulting in the deaths of US agents
* Israel denies people under its control basic human rights, including the right to education, freedom of movement, medical facilities etc

... why is it OK to attack Saddam but not Israel?


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11039 times:

yeah except the resistance fighting the nazis stooped so low that it bombed childrens nightclubs, and family pizza parlors.

something to think about. the palestinians actions influence the world's view of the palestinians.

hard to feel sorry for people who blow up pizza places, school buses, and bar mitzvahs.  Insane


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11055 times:

In fact the problem with Israel should be worse than with Iraq, because in Iraq the world is faced with a president ruling his country as a pure and very brutal dictator, so there's a problem with the leadership of Iraq, but not with its people.

However, Israel has a democratically elected government ignoring several UN resolutions, massively violating the non-proliferation agreements and even going as far as using weapons of mass destruction against innocent people under their occupation, so the world (except the US) has a problem with the people of Israel and not only with their leadership.



User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11042 times:

if any democracy was faced with the terror Israel is now, they would react the same way.

tnnh


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11032 times:

Democracies tend not to be born from terrorism, murder and ethnic cleansing, Russell.  Insane

User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11016 times:

TNNH,

It's highly hypocritical to be calling the Palestinians names when in the last 12 months or so we've seen behaviour just as bad (if not worse because it's state sanctioned) from the Israelis.







VH-ADG



User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 11018 times:

Its action like this by the Israelis (and the US) that reduces the effectiveness of the UN ... http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=1095422002

ISRAEL yesterday brushed aside Prime Minister Tony Blair’s call for it to implement UN resolutions and enter into peace negotiations with the Palestinians.

An Israeli government official stressed that Mr Blair’s remarks were received as an effort to spur UN diplomacy against Iraq, and not as a serious rebuke to Israel. But in dismissing Mr Blair’s call, the official added: "All UN resolutions intended to undermine Israel’s security are irrelevant."

Mr Blair’s call for a resumption of talks and a peace deal based on 1967 borders to create a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip is at direct loggerheads with the policy of the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon.

Mr Sharon has said he envisages most of the West Bank remaining in Israeli hands.

Officials of Mr Arafat’s Fatah movement, meanwhile, said that in the wake of the Israeli siege of his offices, Fatah had decided to stop pressing Mr Arafat to appoint a prime minister, previously a central demand of reformers.


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11008 times:

"Israel has biological weapons, including an 'ethnic bomb' jointly developed with their close friends, apartheid South Africa; and has used cholera and typhoid in Palestinian refugee camps (mainly in Lebanon)"

For crying out loud... Here we go again with the same BS, just as baseless and ridiculous (and proven wrong) as it was in the other threads where identical accusations were made.

LY744.



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User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11001 times:

israel has never ethnically cleansed anyone. thats horseshit.

User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11001 times:

...even going as far as using weapons of mass destruction against innocent people under their occupation...

What the hell are you talking about?



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User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11004 times:

OK, Russell ... then perhaps you prefer "the Zionist terrorist groups (who included two subsequent Israeli Prime Ministers who carried out ethnic cleansing attacks on Palestinian villages"? And we could also mention Israeli laws which were identical to the apartheid Group Areas Act which prohibited Palestinians/Arabs from living in certain areas?  Insane  Insane

LY744 - actually, it is correct ... there were even demonstrations about the use of these weapons in Israel back in the late 1980s.


User currently offlineCyril B From France, joined Jun 2001, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10955 times:

A proof that Israel can sometimes be a dangerous country?
Just remember the Sabra and Chatila massacre (september 1982)... (between 2750 and 3000 people killed)



User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10916 times:

However, Israel has a democratically elected government ignoring several UN resolutions, massively violating the non-proliferation agreements and even going as far as using weapons of mass destruction against innocent people under their occupation, so the world (except the US) has a problem with the people of Israel and not only with their leadership.

You should be proud SAS, you have another one of your supporters. Care to say anything else about how glorious Palestinian suicide bombers are while you're at it?

This is a crock of shit.



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User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10907 times:

It would be useless for the US to militarily strike the Palestinians because the terrorist networks in the region are "underground" and intermingled with the general Palestinian population to the point that you'd just have to practice genocide to completely eliminate Palestinian terror. Genocide is something that no democratic country, including Israel, should be willing to practice even for the sake of their own national security. This is why Yasser Arafat's competence is SO IMPORTANT. It is the responsibility of the Palestinian leadership to rid their people of the extremist "destroy Israel" ideology. As long as even a significant minority of Palestinians passionately support the absolute destruction of Israel regardless of weather or not the IDF pulls out of the Occupied Territories, suicide bombing style attacks will continue. What incentive do the Israelis have to end their oppression of the Palestinians if allowing Palestine to create its own state only grants them more power with which to attack Israel? How can the Palestinian Leadership quell extremist ideology? Is this an impossible task? These are all important questions with no easy answers, proving once again just how complex conflict in this region will be to resolve.

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10895 times:

"A few months ago the Palestinians killed dozens and dozens of innocent people and children by strapping themselves with C-4. WHY IRAQ AND NOT THE PALESTINIANS??? I would wish to have some expert to answer this question please. I don't get it, were supposed to fight terror and we just ignore the Palestinians??"


Wardialer, exactly how naive are you? If this was a "War on Terror (for the sake of freedom)" then YES we should have already gone after anyone who terrorized another... BUT the US government doesn't give a hooping funt for peoples lives; those Palestinian terrorists are not even going directly after American targets.

Another logical reason, there are too many civilians everywhere to get an accurate strike, which is bull because we all witnessed the power of the Israeli Air force.  Yeah sure

The US military and governmental politicians run on MONEY, Saddam has become a larger and larger target in the past year, there is a greater spending opportunity there than say a few dozen per day Palestinian extremists. The United States will never help or back away from Israel, this simply makes any "opposition forces" more angry at the US and they may take steps to change that. I am sure we would prefer to get attacked rather than go after someone while the world complains about our altertior motives, it is better to defend ones' self in the 21st. century. A "reactionary attack" is fueled by revegist anger where no one will ask why.

Sadly, if anything, the current US Admin WILL let another 9/11-type incident happen to the US only (they could not care less for the world). Compare the reactions in the world and their leaders while we were about to go after Saddam and the weeks after 9/11/01 -- there is an enormous difference.

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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10878 times:

The Palestinians are in the same position as the Kurds or the Shia (Marsh Arabs).

And the Assyrians.. The Assyrians are the natives of mesopatamia, not the Arabs and not the Kurds. Yet no one cares about us. Let's not forget how much our ancient civilization contributed to this world, and that we still speak Jesus' language to this day, aramaic.



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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10861 times:

SAS23:
And we could also mention Israeli laws which were identical to the apartheid Group Areas Act which prohibited Palestinians/Arabs from living in certain areas?

What laws?

Name one!



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