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User currently offlineUALrampORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

I have heard a lot of talk on t.v. lately about the possibility of slavery reparations. Do you think that African Americans should get reparations?

UALrampORD

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User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

no, and neither should smokers.

User currently offlineBrianhames From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

No, not if they were not DIRECTLY effected from their great great great great grandpa being a slave. Its in the past, and yes it was a crappy deal. But they (desendants of slaves) don't deserve money.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

No. I am saying this as a white male who never had to experience slavery, BUT to start handing out money is absurd. We as a nation need to get over the fact that it happened, and it was horrible, but we cannot change the past. The only reparations that should be made, are the total and absolute equal treatment for all races in America. That is the best we can hope for, but while there are racists out there, this can never be accomplished.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

How can you define African-American anyway? It's not that simple. Millions of blacks have moved to the US since slavery ended. There has also been MUCH mixing of whites and blacks in the last 300 years. The estimate is that the average American black is actually about 22% white (in terms of average lineage) while the average American white is about 1% black in lineage (indeed, demographers state that the majority of American whites with black blood -- however small -- don't even know they have black blood). Moreover, there were MANY black slave owners in the US south......do they owe (or are they also owed) reparations????

The whole idea is just so messy.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

What`s next? Maybe I should sue the Italian government for what the Romans did to my ancestors...............

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Question for all of you: who is more of an "African-American"? A black American who has never set foot in Africa, and would never want to, or a white guy who emmigrates from Zimbabwe and becomes an American citizen?

Just something to think about.

As for reparations. It's an attempt by the underserving to take money that is not theirs. It's almost like one great big Welfare grab.


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Here's something else to think about: why would blacks want reparations to begin with? I mean, many already have a reputation of receiving too many "handouts". Aren't slavery reparations more or less the same thing? Don't blacks want to shed themselves of that image?

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

How many of you people actually spoke to other Blacks about this issue?


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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

I did. And he agreed with me.

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

It would be interesting to see all of those blue-eyed, blonde-haired Cherokee Native Americans at some Universities suddenly turn in to African Americans.  Smile


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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

My family didnt come to America from Poland until 1910... WAAAAAAAAAY after slaves. They never owned one, so why should I owe them? Over my dead body will I ever pay reparations to somebody who doesnt deserve them, namely some African Americans out to snatch up a quick buck.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

How many of you people actually spoke to other Blacks about this issue?

What has that got to do with anything? I don't think my tax money should go to give money to people who are 150 years removed from slavery, who were never slaves themselves, and don't deserve a dime because of what happened to a distant ancestor. That's robbing the taxpayers blind to give a huge Welfare check to people who don't deserve it.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Again, how many of you people actually spoke to other Blacks about this issue?



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Again, how many of you people actually spoke to other Blacks about this issue?

Again, Superfly, why does it matter? Even if I talk to any blacks about it, it won't change my mind one bit. People in 2002 should not be gettng my tax dollars for things that happened a century and a half ago.


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

Again, how many of you people actually spoke to other Blacks about this issue?

Again, I did, and he agreed with me. Do you believe in reparations, Superfly?


User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Why does it seem that the very same people that speak of bringing down the barrier between blacks and whites in this nation are the very same people who are proponents of this movement?

You think there's a division now??? Just wait until the "Reparations Deduction" shows up on some paychecks...

Talk about division.


User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

Of course blacks will agree with reparations... It means money in their wallets.

Arms of my family could have been gassed by the Germans for all I know.. I havent seen a dime.



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User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Maybe my views are too simplistic; but if they want reparations let them try to collect from England, France and Spain, not from the US government. We inherated slavery from those folks. As far as I'm concerned we fought a civil war to free them. What more reparations would they want? If it were to come to it, any reparation check would also come with a one-way ticket back to the motherland and the loss of U.S. citizenship.



User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Here's something else to think about: why would blacks want reparations to begin with?

Why wouldn't they? It's just FREE money. I'm totally against giving away money for nothing. Listen, that sounds harsh but hey, slavery is a dark part of our history. Yes, I said HISTORY. It's over and done with. Blacks now haven't suffered one bit. Yes, their brave ancestors did, but not them, so why should they get the money?


User currently offlineKcle From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

I saw on the news a while back that a black woman was going to sue the CSX Railroad for reparations.

Um, the CSX railroad was not around 150 years ago, it was created 15 years ago, as a group of railroads merged together (the Family Lines and Chessie System for those train buffs out there). And those railroads formed out of mergers with other railroads (Family Lines-> L&N and SCL, ACL, and SAL, and Chessie System-> B&O, C&O, MA&PA, WM).

So, honestly, how does she expect to get money from a railroad that never existed in the time of slaves? Does she somehow believe that CSX has a time machine and went back in time, bought slaves, and brought them to the present to work on the railroad?

Do African-Americans deserve reparations? No. All racial, ethnic, or religious group has suffered some sort of cruel treatment.

Do I think many AFrican-Americans will recieve reparations? No. Why? Because it's as absurd as saying that Jewish people will start sueing Egypt because Egypt enslaved all of the Jews several thousand years ago.

(Very bad joke I just thought up: If the blacks are so sore about not getting reparations, maybe they should make an epic movie about their slavery in the US. Chareton Heston didn't fare too bad after making his epic movie on the slavery of the Jews in Egypt. I know, that joke wasn't funny, but it makes a point.)


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Maybe my views are too simplistic; but if they want reparations let them try to collect from England, France and Spain, not from the US government.

Actually, slavery was only possible in the first place because African tribal leaders were only too willing to sell off their own people....so perhaps a big source of the reparations should come from.........black Africa.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1530 times:


Actually, slavery was only possible in the first place because African tribal leaders were only too willing to sell off their own people....so perhaps a big source of the reparations should come from.........black Africa.


yes the white mans point of view....it makes it right for the white men to enslave people because tribes were willing to sell people or do you consider the white race incapable of wrong doing.



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11796 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

I don't understand why I as second generation American (on my father's side) should pay anything. His parents immigrated from Germany before WWII. I could have family that was sent to prison camps but I am not asking for ANY money from Germany for the 'pain and suffering' caused by that. It was a horrible time in history but I am here and now.
On my mom's side of the family, there is Cherokee somewhere. (I know, I know... EVERY white person in the US is Cherokee.....) I don't see anyone suing for the Trail of Tears!
Again, let's live in the here and now. Get over it.




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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

Sure! why not?
After all, big German companys have payed huge sums of money to the jews for the slavery work they did during WW2.



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25 David B. : But it is the same jews who were enslaved? Thats the point. Most American slaves are now long gone. If so, the German companies must pay the people wh
26 CO 757 200 : They will never see a fat cent off of me, that's all I am going to say.
27 Pacificjourney : It is interesting that we should see so many posts atempting to skirt the whole issue by questioning who should benefit and who should not. I think th
28 Srbmod : It would be quite hard to really determine if one has ancestry that can be traced back to slaves or former slaves. With the education level of most sl
29 Rai : If my memory of history class serves me correctly, Belgium's King Leopold II was particularly active in the slave trade. If that is case, then I'm all
30 Teva : I do not agree with individual reparations. As many said, the victims are not here anymore. However, if one day reparations are to be paid, the money
31 Barcode : Like the majority - I think the entire thing is absurd. We hold no responsibility for the actions of our ancestors, and I do not feel that I owe anyon
32 Superfly : N312RC: Of course blacks will agree with reparations... It means money in their wallets. You're insinuating that every Black person is in favor of rep
33 David B. : A typical white man's point of view.......watch when people say things that sterotype whites, they are the first to complain.
34 Yyz717 : As bad as slavery was, I fail to see how the current generation of black Americans today suffers from the results of slavery. Black America is an incr
35 Post contains images Manni : Rai, if you had the intention to piss me of with your post (I assume you are reffering to Belgium because I'm Belgian ) I have to dissapoint you. I ca
36 Flight152 : The same people saying that Americans are "sue happy" are now saying they deserve slavery reperations. Intresting.
37 Alpha 1 : yes the white mans point of view....it makes it right for the white men to enslave people because tribes were willing to sell people or do you conside
38 PPGMD : Theres a diffrence between the blacks and the jews. First many of the direct descendents (or the people themselves, if they survived) are or were stil
39 Rai : if you had the intention to piss me of with your post (I assume you are reffering to Belgium because I'm Belgian ) I have to dissapoint you. I can onl
40 Hepkat : FYI, many of the colonial masters kept excellent records of their slave tradings. I've heard that to this day it's still possible to read and research
41 David B. : Ironically, it's black Africa that remains mired with the world's worst poverty.....as African blacks have never been slaves......can you honestly tel
42 David B. : yes the white mans point of view....it makes it right for the white men to enslave people because tribes were willing to sell people or do you conside
43 David B. : So maybe the reparations should start with African governments, although I guess that would ruin the appeal for many blacks who themselves are racists
44 Pendrilsaint : This is really quite hard for me to admit , its a bit of a family thing that we dont share too much...but we have done quite a bit of geneology and f
45 Alpha 1 : So your satying thats its OK?????? God, you're naive. No, that's not what he is saying. He's saying that all these "African Americans" grabbing for re
46 David B. : Pendrilsaint, personally i think that it is good to know about your family history no matter how dark it may be.......Unlike some people, you dont put
47 Post contains images David B. : It is not ALL the fault of the Africans who captured their bretheren-they were compensated, because there WAS a demand for slaves in the west. Yes an
48 UALfa@jfk : N312RC: Of course blacks will agree with reparations... It means money in their wallets. Superfly responds: You're insinuating that every Black person
49 Post contains images Hartsfieldboy : Random thoughts on the subject: Does anyone know about the Ex Post Facto clause in the constitution? You can't make a law retroactive. While slavery w
50 Post contains links Alpha 1 : This whole "sky is falling" thread is such a non-issue. --Reparations will never really happen, and most black people aren't even fixated on it. And i
51 Yyz717 : Actually, there are over 30M black Americans, not about 12M. Blacks account for about 12% of the US population.
52 David B. : UALfa@jfk, I totally agree with you. I'll keep fixated on this issue until it dies the sad death it deserves Go ahead, it wont happen.
53 OzarkD9S : How about if Uncle Sam just writes out a $1,000,000 check to every citizen in the country (it's a miniscule amount when you look at the federal budget
54 Saintsman : Is there any difference between the slave owners and the people today who 'employ' illegal immigrants? It is difficult to tell the two apart except wh
55 RayChuang : The US government will never approve of slavery reparations. Mostly because a few economists have calculated the cost and it is over US$1 TRILLION (US
56 LHMark : Ray has hit one of the prime points. The money has to COME from somewhere. Who will actually do the paying? The lower and middle classes will, in the
57 Cfalk : Reparations would be the worst thing in the world for blacks, and the greatest thing that could happen for politicians who thrive on black society bei
58 Alpha 1 : Superfly never did have enough gonads to tell us where he stands on this issue, did he?
59 B757300 : Based on his posts about Bush and Nazis, you can bet Superfly is all for reparations.
60 KROC : Superfly, most of the white members here have a VERY hard time looking at blacks as INDIVIDUALS, each with our INDIVDUAL beliefs, values, thoughts, an
61 747-451 : No. Unless they get them fron the countries that offered slaves up for sale. I certainly wont pay since my family on both sides emigrated to the US in
62 Yyz717 : This statement is as ignorant as the statement made, that this post is referring too. Two wrongs don't make a right. Fighting ignorance with ignorance
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