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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

I knew if I posted this too soon after 9/11, I would get crucified. Hopefully we are all mature enough to see that a different flag needn't be any less patriotic.

Anyway, I think our current flag is much too busy. It looks silly, not at all like a proper flag. But you can't change something solely on looks. Here is my idea:

The flag we have now is too jumbled together and disorganized. We are one nation, so to show that unity, we'll make those 50 stars into one big one. A two-tone background honors our long and varied history, and the red bar at the bottom reminds us that for 225 years we have been a symbol of freedom. The finished result?



I think it is a big improvement. Much more modern, like our country. What do you think? Or if you have any other designs, post those too!


Dear moderators: No.
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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

The American flag has undergone a change many, many, times. In fact, I think the 50-star flag is the longest running version to date. I don't oppose you for the whole-patriotism thing. A country's citizens have a right to mix around and experiment with its image.

My opposition is that I'm worried the American flag is becoming like the Deltaflot thing. And lets not forget the money needed to update all the current flags...I mean, not in this economy. Otherwise, continue the discussion folks! Big grin

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Forget it. It's not going to happen in your lifetime, nor mine. A lot of people have died for Old Glory as it stands today. The Flag has stood for over 200 years...so why change it now? Really, the very idea, IMO, is sacrilegious.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

PS-Just watch how many jealous non-Americans start (insert country here) needs a new flag threads. I guess it could replace the innuendo craze!

Anyway, your design...it's ok, it fills in all your stated requirements, etc. I'm eager to see other people's ideas as well.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers (proud citizen of a country that has changed its flag design more times in 225 years than most countries have in 1000 years!)



User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

I chime in with Boeing4ever.... this is a country that thrives on 'better mousetraps', so if you have an idea roll with it. It's actually a clever design, though I think you'd be sued by LAN-CHILE  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

That said, I think the present banner just carries with it too much lore and history to be "re-marketed". And it's timeless, kinda like the American Airlines livery.

Besides, I'm convinced our flag is gonna need to be reworked in the next 20 years anyway...prediction: Florida will split into two states, north and south. But that's another thread!


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

An this whole blind patriotism thing has reached a new low...

User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

That flag is just to boring if you ask me, but that's just my opinion. The star-spangled banner works just fine for me Big grin.

Cheers
Mike, a.k.a. SSTjumbo


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3120 times:


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Photo © Ivan Rodriguez



Here's the "new design" on Air Force One.

And an Airbus Air Force One too! Could happen.


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Yeah, I guess I would get sued... heh.

But hey, who here doesn't like the Lan Chile livery?



Dear moderators: No.
User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

I really love our flag.






User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Alpha has a good point.

The Stars & Stripes has flown for two and a quarter centuries (plus change) and proudly protected those who bitch about this country every minute of that time.

Keep Old Glory.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Frankly, the flag does look like a modern-day communists flat. The one star in the right-hand corner-very similar to what many communists regimes do with the hammer and sickle.

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

I think we have one of, if not the classiest flags in the entire world.

I would never change it, and certainly not for that shlock you presented at the top of this thread.



User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

Hey, while we're at it, why not rename all the states and draft a new constitution?





User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

We favor this design...It shows that American interests really arent important and what really what matters is what other countries think about us.

Signed,
The Democrats



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

I think that We're Nuts' new design Sucks. Notice I wrote that with a capital "S." No change to the current American flag is necessary.

'Speed

(This is my last inflammatory post ever.)


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

The flag is just a symbol, a powerful one to some people but a symbol nonetheless. You really wanna do something for America...get off your ass and vote. When less than half the registered voters in this country bother to vote and there are people all over the world who would literally kill for that priveledge, all your flag waving and stars-and-stripes T-shirts and window decals don't mean a damn thing.


Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

WHY, Whats wrong with it ??

User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

But it would freak out all the Americans that are overseas right now visiting places like Tibet and Nepal to come back to this country with a new flag. It is fun to fool around with ideas, but one star for each state and thirteen stripes to remind us how we started is pretty cool!


Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

What right do we have to change the proud flag that men have went into battle holding. That men have dies for so that it not fall. The flag mentioned in our national anthem. The flag that was raised by US Marines at Iwo Jima. The flag that flew over the WTC rubble. The flag that liberated Europe from true evil. Our flag has been saluted, burned, honored, hated, passed on to greiving family members who's fathers, sons, daughters, and the like, died for it.

School-children and adults alike pledge allegiance to the flag: our flag, not that wannabe South American monstrosity.

I think I'll stick with old glory, thank you very much.












User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Boeing4ever,

PS-Just watch how many jealous non-Americans start (insert country here) needs a new flag threads. I guess it could replace the innuendo craze!

That's old news, we've been fighting about a replacement flag for years. People like me think we should stick to the old one, with all its history and others want a new one to represent the new, multicultural Australia.

It's a nasty discussion ..

I think flags should stay as they are .. after all, look at all the history that goes with them. But that first suggested flag looks pretty damn fine ...! perhaps we can use it if we lose the flag debate!  Smile




VH-ADG


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

I'd like to encourage everyone to stick to arguing against each other's opinions. Please do not resort to personal attacks or flamebaits.

Hepkat
Forum Moderator


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

I think Libya has a beautiful flag, beats anything else out there:




Seriously, I like the American flag and I hope you won't change it in my lifetime  Big grin


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

I agree with We're Nuts, although I respectfully suggest he might want to hire a professional designer for the redesign  Big grin.

I've always thought other country's flags were much more elegant in their simplicity and beautiful in their symbolism (Canada comes to mind). One thing I'll give "old glory" though - I think it does do a good job of representing our country in one respect - it's gaudy and way too busy... just like most Americans Big grin.

No, I'm confident we won't be getting a new flag anytime soon.

BTW, that picture Flyboy36y posted made me nauseous.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2823 times:

One thing I'll give "old glory" though - I think it does do a good job of representing our country in one respect - it's gaudy and way too busy... just like most Americans

Gaudy and way too busy? How so? It is a classic design, that stands out, and is always recognizable. Simple can be good, but for Canada's flag for example. A Maple Leaf. Okay cool. It's simple, and I enjoy it, but where is the representation or the meaning. The U.S. Flag is full of meaning and representation. 13 stripes or the 13 original colonies. 50 stars for each state in the union. Beautiful color scheme in the use of the red, white and blue. Some things just can't be improved, and should be left alone.

BTW, that picture Flyboy36y posted made me nauseous

Nothing like a patriotic picture of American symbols of freedom to make one sick.  Insane


25 KROC : And before my Canadian friends come looking for my head, I am not saying that the Canadian Flag has no meaning or representation. I know it does, I wa
26 TWFirst : >>Nothing like a patriotic picture of American symbols of freedom to make one sick.The U.S. Flag is full of meaning and representation. 13 stripes or
27 KROC : I'm sorry, I can't type anymore as I can no longer see the screen. My eyes are rolled up so far into my head.... An obvious blessing in disguise.
28 TWFirst : >>An obvious blessing in disguise.
29 AOMlover : "our long and varied history" lol... The American flag is nice...
30 Post contains images 777236ER : I personally love the French flag...
31 Post contains images AOMlover : Errr...you forgot the blue and the red stripes http://www.elysee.fr/ang/instit/symb2.htm
32 Post contains images Srbmod : Changing one's flag is a lot of trouble. I look at the recent changing of the our state flag here in Georgia. Any proposed change was met with great f
33 Post contains images David B. : The stars on the flag will be replaced with a pic of King Ashcroft
34 N766UA : Hahaha. Yeah that's the French flag all right, 777236ER. Seriously though, you don't change flags because they "aren't modern", whatever that means. I
35 Post contains images EGGD : Tbh, I don't like the current flag. Then again, I don't like the Union Jack either . However I do like the St. George's cross, so i'll leave it at tha
36 Post contains images MagicMan_841 : 50 Stars To Blind Your Eyes, 13 Stripes To Hypnotize - Leftover Crack I like the way the american flag stands in my room.....upside down... (this is g
37 GD727 : I think Flyboy36y said it best I think I'll stick with old glory, thank you very much. We're Nuts: You seem to have a problem with being patriotic, wh
38 Jcs17 : MagicMan: You are a sick individual, but yet this is coming from someone living Quebec City...it isnt too suprising. Why dont you go stage a sepratist
39 Lubcha132 : i hate assymetrical objects, and this cuts the cake. i could fix it up so there woud still be 13 stripes, but the stars would be on a blue diamond lon
40 Post contains images Lan_Fanatic : Hey...americans...you should never change your flag...I am chilean...and i love your flag, it is really nice and looks classy. BTW...We're nuts...with
41 TWFirst : >>Well, that comment made ME nauseous, not to mention outraged!
42 Post contains images Boeing4ever : The flag should stay as it is...as I stated. This country has changed its design so many times. Let's not forget foreign countries will also have to u
43 Post contains images MagicMan_841 : Jcs17 : this is very suprising actually, since Quebec is so americanized. It just looks like a french speaking 51th state. And yeah I'm for the separa
44 Radarbeam : Well just to prove Newtow's 3rd law; For every action there's an opposite reaction. I'm from Quebec and I'm against separation. Hey Jcs17, you're litt
45 Jcs17 : this is very suprising actually, since Quebec is so americanized. ...I'd like to nominate that for the most moronic quote of the year...Quebec...Amer
46 Radarbeam : I'd like to nominate that for the most moronic quote of the year...Quebec...Americanized? Dude, it is the least American out of all the provinces, and
47 KAUSpilot : Yes, Anti-American Sentiment is especially strong in Quebec, particularly outside of Montreal. This does not mean that ALL Quebequers hate America, bu
48 Radarbeam : There's as much anemosity towards the US in Quebec as there is in every part of the world, here and there you'll find someone who dislike America, but
49 Post contains images Jcs17 : Oh yeah, everyone hates Americans here. There's 6 millions of people here and every single one of them hates Americans. Of course this is a well know
50 Radarbeam : you guys should be kissing our a$$es considering how much money we pump into your economy. Well, maybe that's because of comments like that that Quebe
51 Seb146 : A little off topic, but to add to the Canadian vein: when I go to Vancouver BC, I am very careful not to say that I am American. A few people don't ca
52 Jcs17 : Radarbeam, YOU said in a previous post that so many Americans pump money into the Quebec economy. I am just saying; how is the bad treatment of Americ
53 Post contains images MagicMan_841 : you guys should be kissing our a$$es considering how much money we pump into your economy. I'm sick of seeing all those small private companies gettin
54 Jcs17 : I'm sick of seeing all those small private companies getting bought by huge American multinationals Memo to Magic: That American multinational could
55 LH423 : I've often thought that we need a new flag. There's just something about it...maybe that's it's almost too symbolic that it looks busy and such. Some
56 Mia777 : Change the flag? We are an established nation (We as in citizens from the US)...we are also the most powerful on Earth. Changing our flag is almost li
57 OO-AOG : With the amount of US flags you see everywhere, and I really mean everywhere in the US....if you change the design well I guess flag producers will ma
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