Saintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5279 times:
This one is going to get nasty. No pattern so far, he (she?) just shoots anyone no matter what age, sex or colour. Obviously a nutter but not stupid (it doesn't look like he wants to be caught) this can go on for a long time. A sniper is a long way from the point of impact and by the time anyone realises what has happened he will be long gone. Lets hope he makes a mistake and is caught soon.
I think everyone will expect the sniper to be a man. Are there any examples of women who go on shooting rampages? Women are just as capable as men when it comes to murder, but you don't tend to hear of female mass murderers for some reason.
Saddly, I don't think anyone could visualise the same thing happening here in the UK, though people are not really surprised that it is happening in the USA. I imagine that the same opinoin is also to be found in the rest of the world. I wonder what it is that makes the US have more than it's fair share of these nutters?
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7526 posts, RR: 22 Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5239 times:
I think it is incorrect that this level of randomness and brutalness in a serial murderer is unique to the US. Most people that I have talked to or heard are pretty shocked and discomforted by the 8 shootings so far. Let us hope they find this person who is doing this and lock em away for a long long time.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
Radarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1309 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5232 times:
Saddly, I don't think anyone could visualise the same thing happening here in the UK, though people are not really surprised that it is happening in the USA. I imagine that the same opinoin is also to be found in the rest of the world. I wonder what it is that makes the US have more than it's fair share of these nutters?
Actually I think the UK has a fair share of nutters also; The serial killer doctor who killed hundreds of his patients, the crazed kid killing a 80 year old lady in order to drink her blood and become a vampire, Ian Huntley, the 2 kids who kidnapped and killed a small child some years back in a shopping centre... ect
SAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5212 times:
Saintsman - yes, there was a teenage girl that went on the rampage with a gun in Dallas (I think) ... led to the Boomtown Rats hit song "I Don't Like Mondays"
Silverangel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5227 times:
First off,
There IS a pattern. All of these shootings have occured at or within sight of a Michael's craft store. Police think this is some disgruntled loon trying to put them out of business (I wouldn't be surprised). Of course there are many possiblities. Also, he's left shell casings at the scene now. This would tell me that he/she probably wants to get caught, sooner or later. After all, that's a pretty irresponsible thing to do for a sniper. They could have finger prints on them for all he/she knew.
As for punishment.... Locked up for a long time? Um, we're not in Kindergarten anymore. Whomever is doing this knows right from wrong, & by now knows what they are doing to the area by way of media attention. For their cowardly method of killing people (even the professional snipers on our "team" are disgusting miscreant subhumans for what they do), this person should be sentenced to the most horrible penalty available. Although I think no one here would be sad to hear about a police officer accidentally discharging his weapon at the moment this lowlife is arressted, amazing coinciding with the sniper having a massive brain hemmorhage.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7526 posts, RR: 22 Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5210 times:
Only 2 of the 7 shootings took place near or at a Michael's store. The pattern before the shooting ats Fredricksburg, VA and Bowie, MD seemed to confined to Northeast DC and Montgomery County, MD. It seems like this character is sticking close to home.
LHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 53 Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5202 times:
He'll be caught. For every successful attack and getaway, a bunch of things have to go right for the guy. In a public place, one pair of eyes facing his vehicle could see the smoke and muzzle flash, leading to an ID of the vehicle. It's certain to happen.
BTW, this guy has a high powered rifle- a distance weapon. When he's cornered, I doubt police are going to try to take him alive.
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
Avt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2130 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5175 times:
I cannot believe Silverangels statement about police snipers. Disgusting subhumans? How can you spout that kind of garbage? These people have a very difficult and necessary job to do in controlling the real subhumans out there. If your loved ones were held at gunpoint by some loser, would you say "no, don't use a sniper , that doesn't give that a wacko a fair chance to kill my kid." Maybe all police should stop wearing bullet proof vests, because that isn't fair either. It is not a very pretty world out there, and unfortunately some nasty things need to be done. I think you'll find that the last thing police snipers want to do is shoot someone, but it's a job someone has to do.
Saintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5184 times:
Radarbeam,
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the UK was free of nutters. It is just that the impression we have here (right or wrong) is that if something like this is going to happen, people would expect it to happen in the USA first.
David B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5174 times:
The real thing to fear...................a person who can kill then disappear, maybe blending in with the general population. Perhaps a person you might "know".
Silverangel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5171 times:
Yeah AVT007,
I meant what I said, and no I'm not sorry you don't like it. I understand every society needs dirty people to do dirty things to survive, but that doesn't make snipers any less foul.
And if someone takes my kid hostage, guess what? I'd do the only smart thing you can do. Tell them whatever they want to hear. I'll tell them they just won the lotto if it helps. Someone dumb enough to think they'll live through taking a kid hostage will believe all that anyways.
Desert,
It was four of them that they Pegged a michael's nearby or at the site. If I were investigator, that would tell me it has something to do with it.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5150 times:
SilverAngel, do you feel the same way about a person that kills an armed intruder to protect his family? or a soldier that kills in battle to protect a civilian?
Avt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2130 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5158 times:
Silverangel,
Explain to me the difference between your basic patrol officer pulling his weapon and using it to protect the public, and the actions of a sniper doing the same thing. The only difference is the sniper has more time to think about it, and he is putting his mental health on the line as well. How do you deal with killing another person? Trust me, snipers and SWAT members are not nutcases, they are dedicated police officers doing their very best to save innocent lives, including yours and mine. You have to get over your delusion that life is fair, and we can talk it out, and violence never solved anything.
Moreover, in your first post, you want to have the shooter killed. Does it matter who does it and how? Make up your mind! Sniper, patrol officer, lethal injection, it's all the same. Yet you somehow feel a misplaced sympathy for this particular murderer ( and perhaps others) by not wanting them to killed by a sniper as that is somehow "unfair". Tell that to the family of the 13 year old boy who is fighting for his life in the hospital as we speak. Was the shooter "fair" to him? Or the other seven victims? I'm sorry to rant, but this subject really gets to me. The world is not fair, and never will be. Wishing won't make it so.
Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2559 posts, RR: 22 Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5123 times:
I am sure that ATF, the FBI, and the MD, VA local police authorities are combing military discharge records to find someone who was dishonorably discharged, possibly disgruntled, and skilled in this sort of marksmenship. Probably another loner white guy, mid-30s to mid-40s, out of touch with reality, no woman in his life, angry at the world, etc. God help him.
Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
Rai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5105 times:
Have you guys stopped to think that this might be terrorism? Al-Qaeda has a fairly big (relatively speaking) following in Northern Virginia and many members were trained in "urban warfare". That seems to be the most logical explanation to me, especially with the randomness of the victims.
David B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5105 times:
Ria, LOL
I think its th most likely suspect, a lonely white male in his 30's. Al-Qaeda would blow up New York but not do small jobs like this. He could be a postal carrier for all we know.
Silverangel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5099 times:
Hey there, British Airways 777,
Waiting for someone to say that. Actually, he was a great guy, always treated me well, sometimes better than I desereved I'm sure. But, he had no conscience, and neither did any of his collegues. I even asked him once why he does that for a living, and he just said "Well, the hours are good, and I could never get away with this any other way, and they pay a nice salary." I thought he was joking, he said he wasn't.
David, I think Al-Queda would do small jobs like this, but with maybe a dozen at a time across the country. I think it's a loner looking for trouble. Obviously someone with big problems, I mean, who the hell shoots a kid?
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1906 posts, RR: 45 Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5077 times:
Yeah, this would be really stupid of Al Queda to try and do. What better way to alienate the few supporters you have than using a sniper rifle to kill school children? This is another psychotic serial killer......
Avt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2130 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5094 times:
Sorry, but I think people have Al-Qaeda on the brain.These types of nuts pop up all the time, long before 9/11. As for skills, it's a good place to check records in the military and elsewhere, but target shooting isn't that hard to do. It just takes practice, like any other sport. I've done a lot of target shooting, out to 600 yards, and with a little time and patience any one could hit a person sized target at those ranges. And no, I was never in the military, police, nor have I ever hunted anything. And yes, Canada has serial killers, too. Right now police are digging up a pig farm where the owner has been charged with 15 counts of first degree murder. Unfortunately,the States don't hold the patent on psychos.
ExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5072 times:
Excerpted from Stanley Kubrick's brilliant 1987 film Full Metal Jacket:
(platoon sits on bleachers facing HARTMAN.)
HARTMAN
Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was?
(No response.)
HARTMAN
None of you dumbasses knows?
COWBOY raises his hand.
HARTMAN
Private Cowboy?
COWBOY
Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir!
HARTMAN
That's affirmative. Charles Whitman killed twenty people from a twenty-eight-storey observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards.
(HARTMAN looks around.)
Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was?
(Almost everybody raises his hand.)
HARTMAN
Private Snowball?
SNOWBALL
Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir!
HARTMAN
That's right, and do you know how far away he was?
SNOWBALL
Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir!
The recruits laugh at "suppository. "
HARTMAN
All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned toshoot?
(JOKER raises his hand.)
HARTMAN
Private Joker?
JOKER
Sir, in the Marines, sir!
HARTMAN
In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!
Camera slowly moves in on PYLE staring at HARTMAN.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7526 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5022 times:
Exitrow- Whether it be McVeigh or Bin Laden, we do train our own best enemies. But they don't put that in the brouchures for the US Army or CIA paramilitary training camps.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5023 times:
My bet is that this is a psychotic white american male in his late 20's or early 30's. Depressed, has very few or no friends, trouble with his lovelife and he hates the USA. And when he get's caught he should be executed and may god have mercy on his soul after that.
Wn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5015 times:
Why would he have to be white? I understand that many serial killers are, but I've never seen the connection.
Also, I don't belive this falls under the catagory of "Serial" killer. Typically serial killers choose very similar vicitims. These are anything but. That disgusting zoetrope even shot a damn kid.
25 Mika: Wn700, Why would he have to be white? I base that solely on statistics. Statistically most people who go out and shot inoscent people are white. Or co
26 Beefmoney: Im really not understanding where your getting your reasons for calling SWAT snipers "subhuman", Silverangel. Is it because of the distance? Do you se
27 Kolobokman: I agree with ExitRow. Welcome back, Afghan vets! artiom
29 Saintsman: "Why does he have to be white?" Why does 'he' have to be male? probably for the same reasons as having to be white. I suppose the statistics back the
30 Mika: Who puts up the money anyway and if the cops get him do they get the money? from CNN.com The fund includes $100,000 from the state, $50,000 from Montg
31 Globemaster: Maybe it is some sick ex-marine, but couldn't it be anybody in a country like the USA? It's easy (and not even illegal) to get any automatic weapon. O
32 SAS23: Hmmm, just a thought - could this guy be a rogue police sniper? Perhaps that's why he is able to move around with relative impunity ... he's in a poli
33 Wn700driver: Funny you should mention that SAS. I got a report on my desk a little while ago called "Operation Disco". You heard of that?
34 Mika: SAS23 and Wn700, what are you guys really suggesting here? That this is some kind of government conspiracy s*it?
35 SAS23: Haven't heard about Operation Disco, but have you heard of Operation Blue?
36 Wn700driver: No mika, I don't belive that's what it is. I do believe however, that it is time for lunch, see you all soon. Also, I don't work for any gov't, so if
37 Mika: I'm relieved to hear that you don't believe in some whacked conspiracy theory when it comes to this case. It saved me alot of flaming
38 Wn700driver: SAS, it is interesting reading, I can send you an email copy if I can pull the authors permission, interested?
39 Mika: http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/10/shootings.probe/index.html It's happened again. LE can't say for sure if this is connected with the other shoot
40 SAS23: Wn700driver - yes, I'd be interested in reading it. Email me at neil@flylionair.com Cheers!
41 Wn700driver: OK, SAS, let me just talk to the guy or girl who worte & clear it with that person...
43 B747forlife: I don't really care who he is, I just want him gone. I live about right in the middle of the Montgomery County shootings, and they've cancelled all ty
44 ExitRow: Just thought of something. Why no infrared search? They know this guy is hiding in wooded areas. You'd think they'd have a FLIR equipped helo flying o
45 B747forlife: He isn't hiding in wooded areas, I think, he shoots someone then gets away somehow. He doesn't stay in one area. -Nick
46 Wn700driver: 747FL, Where in Monty? I used to live in Olney (back in my WN days). This is all so starnge. I am not from America, but I lived so near all those plac
47 B747forlife: Hey Wn700driver, I live in Kensington near to the border with Wheaton. Sort of near Wheaton Plaza if you know where that is. -Nick
48 Wn700driver: That over by Forest Glenn? I dated a lady from Kennsington a whiles back, and indeed lived in a Kennsington (though this one was in the UK). I am sure
49 Lindy: 9:30am EST he killed another person in VA. For details you can go to www.washingtonpost.com
50 David b.: DAs announced that they will seek the capitol punishment, then urge him to surrender. This was a dumb move. If they say they are going to kill him, he
51 Jaysit: The poster boy for the NRA strikes again !
53 Maiznblu_757: Id hate to say it, but, this guy has to be ex military.
54 B747forlife: Yea, Wn700driver, I live near Forest Glen. Hey, everyone, what do think the chances are that if the police find this guy, they shoot him on the spot?
55 Lortab 7.5mg: I think more than likely the sniper has had military training. He's coming pretty close to the sniper's motto of "One shot, one kill". Here's a couple
56 Alpha 1: A pattern is definitely starting to emerge-it's getting dangerous to pump your own gas in the D.C. area. And it always seems to be near wooded areas,
57 L-188: I want to add that Hathcocks 2500 yard record in Vietnam was broken this year. A Forces Canada sniper in Afghanistan reported got a kill at over 2600
58 Mirrodie: Now he is in Virginia. Great. So many freakish thoughts here. Is he practicing for a future target? Is he a terrorist? Will he keep on traveling? What
59 L-188: Thats 2600 yards not years. I do find it somewhat amusing that this is happening in a part of the world where gun-control laws are both repressive and
60 Jaysit: L-188: What universe do you live in??? Obtaining a gun in the State of Virginia is as easy as buying a donut at a Krispy Creme. Puhleeze. In the 1990s
61 Zebfly2: I just hear that in Falls Church,VA,a suburb outside of Washington,DC, a woman was shot outside of an Home Depot store. The news is reporting that it'
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