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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

Ok, last week, a guy on our floor who is an atheist posted on his door a bible which he burned. This upset many, many people, understandably. After a couple of days, somebody took it down. This led to a prompt response by him in the form of a letter posted on his door, which follows.

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to whom it may concern:

never, never, never steal an atheist’s bible. there are many reasons for this and for never interfering with an atheist in any way: the first of these is that you risk angering one of us to the point of active rebellion. i’ve been at this point my whole life and tonight i write against your doctrines of stupidity. you consistently refuse to leave the disciplines of thought alone, and if you take an atheist’s bible, it is only in the deepest irony, as we have learned infinitely more from your gospel than you have. we were done with it, and now we’ve learned you couldn’t tolerate our statement, you who learn always from a book and never from experience. your illusions of love and justice, of an invisible big brother who’s ready to fight for you, you bring your petty minds to the front of our door and are capable only of theft. if you want to fight, to combat the “forces of darkness,” before i gather them to fight against the gods of all ages, then walk inside my room and let’s have it out. i will fight with the elite armies of philosophers and the deep arsenal of rhetoric. i live by the pen, while you live by the sword, and you will one day be removed from the earth. all you will have left is the prayer that when religion is defeated, it is only by the pen. there will be thinkers that will grow too weary with your ignorance and choose bloodier ends. hopefully you’re not afraid, for you may realize that if you choose to fight to defend religion you will have no help from your miserable gods, that you will need the balls to stand up, on your own, and fight me.

goodnight, and fuck you.

michael jacques

p.s. i support unrelentingly your right to your belief, but at the same instant i seize my right to my rebellion and wage war on your pitiful religions. pit the great theologians of time against a true mind and i will show you an intellectual violence against doctrine unrivaled in history

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I have two complaints with this guy. One, is as an atheist, I respect his beliefs, but he doesn't respect mine or anybody else's that has a religion. And he displays this by burning a holy item and putting it up on his door. Now, I'm Jewish, and I don't believe in the New Testament, but I still respect it and was very disturbed by seeing it burned like that. If he put up a burnt torah or burnt Jewish star on his door, I would have been even more infuriated.

Secondly, I find that fact that he burned a book awful. Books are something precious, they are words, they are thoughts, and to some people, books are life. When you burn a book, you destroy all that. When you burn a book, you stoop the level of the Nazis. And since this guy says he lives by the pen, it disturbs me even more that he burned a book.

So please, tell me what you think about this.



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7201 times:

I think your place of employment needs a boss. Sounds like a zoo!


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7194 times:

Damnit T, I told you. Pee on his door.  Big grin

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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

Sadly, my place of employment is a college dorm.

Do you guys think he was justified in doing this?



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

So in other words, it IS a zoo. Okay, my mistake.

In any event, just leave the guy alone. He might be a sniper.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

I think that you should take him out to the back of the dorm (I assume you live in a dorm) and beat the crap out of him. Bring a couple of friends that were also offended by this asshole. Beat him up, and then piss on him.

I'm not joking. This guy is so wrapped up in his "rights" to "rebel" and be an atheist, that he has forgotten what common decentcy is - to not going around offending people on purpose. Getting a broken nose and covered in piss will cure this problem.

Charles


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

This seems like a tale of two extremists, the religious nutcase and the atheistic nutcase.

Both feel they have the 'right ' to do what they do and both feel the other does not have that same 'right' to do the same. Eventually both sides will kill each other off as if each other is more right and the situation will create exaggeration as well as more ignorance on both sides as well as any audience member.

A most unfortunate situation; but unless it is against school rules, then who's problem is it? How easy is it to simply ignore? The stress levels of the general public would at the very least quarter if they just ignored the argument altogether.

Which ever side you're on, there's bound to be overly sensitve people who react oddly to things.


Keep in mind: Not all Atheists/Religionists are brought up equally.

Heck there are neither-ists and either-ists as well.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Lehpron,

Where is this a case of a religious nutcase? Somebody was upset and took a burnt bible off his door. Agreed, he shouldn't have done that because the door is on his property, but the guy shouldn't be labeled a religious extremist for doing that.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7172 times:

We're Nuts,

That's why college dorms are so much fun  Laugh out loud

Oh, and should I report this guy for being unpatriotic? Sounds like the thing to do now  Big grin



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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7175 times:

Tzvika,

Either you have a rather disturbed individual on your hands or he is just taking the piss out of you all.

Best to avoid him at all costs. Let him stick a burnt bible on his door. It's not really harming anyone, offensive to some it may be though.

Do he play Marilyn Manson at full volume?

mb



User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7173 times:

Tbar,

Would you be happy with books that promote extremist views. Books that proclaim that it is okay to murder people because they have a different view from you. Should anyone who wants to write a book, no matter what the subject, be allowed to print it? I think not, standards have to be set thoght I will agree it is sometimes difficult to define the standard.

As for an athiest zealot, well that is a first. He has said a lot of things that can be considered true but they didn't need to be said. There is no need to offend others, what he did was provocative and he needs to be taken aside and told so.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Saintsman,

I agree, it is indeed a dillema. I would never burn a book. But what about..oh, say, something called "The Terrorist Handmanual"? I dunno what I would do. It is thought, words, yet very dangerous. Quite a dillema eh?

A bible may be controversial to some, but certainly not burning material, to put it lightly.



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User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7154 times:

I think that you should take him out to the back of the dorm (I assume you live in a dorm) and beat the crap out of him. Bring a couple of friends that were also offended by this asshole. Beat him up, and then piss on him.


Well he is probably looking for this type infantile reaction, pity you weren't there to give it to him hey Charlie? I hope you aren't trying to pass yourself off as a religious type, because clearly you're not.

It would be wise to note that we have only one side of this story, and therefore are not in a position to really make an informed judgement. He seems to be sending a message and his message indicates that he would prefer to protest in a non physical way (ie, burning the bible) whereas the relgious types prefer physical action (ie, removing the bible).

It is his right to burn a bible and to hang it on his door, in much the same way as it's a religious persons right to hang a bible (non burnt) on their door. The adult way of dealing with his protest would have been to hang bibles on your doors, not to steal his bible.

Seems on the surface (without all information) he may have a valid point.

His final comment about coming out from behind the words could be a worry however, because there appears to be an implied threat there. He could be a lunatic about to snap or he could simply be someone sick to death of all the problems in the world caused by religion.

It's difficult to say.

The issue of not burning books isn't valid IMO. Books are burnt/banned/destroyed all the time. If the book was one that defiled your religion would you feel the same way about honouring it and not burning it? To me a book is simply a book, if we were to burn ALL the books i'd get upset, but one book .. well hardly a problem really.

Having said all that, I would have to say that I don't think I would burn a bible and hang it on a door! It reaches a point of offensiveness that I would be reluctant to go to.

Let me say that in order to DEMAND(or expect) a person to honour your beliefs you must be prepared to do the same. As it's a requirement of christianity to go spread the world it's pretty clear that Christianity does not honour the beliefs of others and therefore should not expect others to honour theirs. Obviously this does not relate to every christian, but enough to make it a valid comment.



VH-ADG


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7163 times:

I think your place of employment needs a boss. Sounds like a zoo!

Sadly, my place of employment is a college dorm.

So in other words, it IS a zoo. Okay, my mistake.


Made me laugh a bit reading that.

But back to business...
Burning a bible and openly displaying the results might be illegal because it is designed to hurt people. At the very least check if it constitutes enough reason to get the person thrown out of your dorm.
Don't beat him up, that only gives him reason to take legal action against you (you could get arrested for assault).

Burning books is indeed something I find hard to comprehend. But you have to remember that Christian fanatics in the US and elsewhere do it all the time to material that they find revolting (like the works of Darwin and literature that does not confirm to their strict beliefstructure).



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7156 times:

ADG,

If I lived next door to you, and hung pictures in the hallway of your parents, your girlfriend/wife, or your kids, and used it as a dartboard, or sticking knives into it, would that make you upset? It should.

What this guy is doing is attacking something that other people hold dear. You cannot equate this to someone hanging a cross or a star of David on their door. That is not attacking anyone, firstly, and second, to an atheist, such a symbol does not mean anything, so there is no reason for him to feel offended.

He may have the right to express his views on religion. But he does not have the right to subjugate others to that opinion, day in and day out. This is common decency. Everyone in the U.S. has the right to his beliefs and that also means that they have the right to practice their beliefs without being attacked for them.

My statement earlier has nothing to do with beating him up because he is an atheits. That's none of my business. What I would like to see is such a person get a lesson why it's not a good idea to go around insulting other people or their beliefs, because they are none of HIS business, either.

Charles

Charles


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7132 times:


It would be wise to note that we have only one side of this story, and therefore are not in a position to really make an informed judgement. He seems to be sending a message and his message indicates that he would prefer to protest in a non physical way (ie, burning the bible) whereas the relgious types prefer physical action (ie, removing the bible).

It's called intolerance and disrespect. ADG, you always defend Muslims, Palestinians, etc but when it comes to Christians it's suddenly ok to do all of those things to them, so which one is it? Make up your mind and stop being hypocritical on every issue.

It is his right to burn a bible and to hang it on his door, in much the same way as it's a religious persons right to hang a bible (non burnt) on their door.

This is the most ridiculous statement I've heard in a long time. No it's not ok, if he doesn't believe in the Bible he doesn't need to burn, after all he has nothing to worry about right?

The adult way of dealing with his protest would have been to hang bibles on your doors, not to steal his bible.

No, that may be your opinion but we have no place in this world for a nut like that.

Seems on the surface (without all information) he may have a valid point.

ADG you always contradict yourself, you have absolutely no stand on issues, you just use emotions. If this had been the Koran or the Torah, everyone would have been outraged. Shame on you.

His final comment about coming out from behind the words could be a worry however, because there appears to be an implied threat there. He could be a lunatic about to snap or he could simply be someone sick to death of all the problems in the world caused by religion.

The problems in the world are caused by fanatics, athiests, etc...you can't generalize. You're always the one pointing out in Islamic threads that generalizing is wrong but when it comes to a Christian thread you're the first one to generalize.

It's difficult to say.

Not if you have common sense.

The issue of not burning books isn't valid IMO. Books are burnt/banned/destroyed all the time.

This is a Holy book, not just any book, and others should respect it, period.

If the book was one that defiled your religion would you feel the same way about honouring it and not burning it? To me a book is simply a book, if we were to burn ALL the books i'd get upset, but one book .. well hardly a problem really.

That's because you're not a Christian, so you're in no position to answer.

Having said all that, I would have to say that I don't think I would burn a bible and hang it on a door! It reaches a point of offensiveness that I would be reluctant to go to.

My question is if you don't believe in the Bible/God why would you go to such lengths to prove a point???

Let me say that in order to DEMAND(or expect) a person to honour your beliefs you must be prepared to do the same. As it's a requirement of christianity to go spread the world it's pretty clear that Christianity does not honour the beliefs

Twisting our beliefs around yet again eh? We are instructed to tell others about Jesus and our faith, but we are not forced to convert anyone to force anyone to believe in God. That's not disrespecting anybody, and no that's not the equivalent of burning someone's Holy book, so you don't have a point.

of others and therefore should not expect others to honour theirs. Obviously this does not relate to every christian, but enough to make it a valid comment.

So you generalized yet again. ADG your comments on this issue are disgusting.




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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7118 times:

ADG,

I'm not even going to bother picking your post apart, as it practically condraticts itself. But if there's one part I cannot believe you said, here it is.

. As it's a requirement of christianity to go spread the world it's pretty clear that Christianity does not honour the beliefs of others and therefore should not expect others to honour theirs. Obviously this does not relate to every christian, but enough to make it a valid comment.

Look, I'm not Christian, but does that say its ok for me not to resect their religion? Just cause I disagree with some views of Christianity, does not say I go around burning bibles, and the calling it a "valid comment" as you said.

Secondly, have you ever heard of the "Golden Rule"? Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself. Your statement should rather be, "Just because Christianity does not honor the beliefs of others, we should still honor theirs. By your logic above, if somebody at your workplace insults you, you should insult them back. If somebody at a sports game hurts you, you should hurt them back. AND, if an attacker kills somebody, you kill them back, its ok. Don't be such a hypocrite, its terrible.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

I think for somebody to be an atheist, for people to respect your beliefs as an atheist, you need to respect people's beliefs who have religion. The scary thing about this guy, is that he has his little group of friends that would never speak out against his actions, their his little minions. If he ever did something wrong, they'd just brush it aside. Its men like this who are the next cult leaders and such.

It would be wise to note that we have only one side of this story, and therefore are not in a position to really make an informed judgement.

ADG, what other side of the story do you want me to point out? I'm pretty sure I've covered both.



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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

The fact that he's an atheist is irrelevent. What is relevent is that he's a shameless attention seeker. You might point out to him that his going out of his way to rub the noses of those who disagree with him in sh*t puts him in the very same category of those he despises. And God or lack thereof has nothing to do with it.

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

The fact that he's an atheist is irrelevent.

Agreed. His disrespect is the most disturbing thing.



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User currently offlineExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

Like it or not... in America... it's protected free speech.



User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7077 times:

It's not free speech, it's an attack on people's views. Free speech doesn't mean you can offend millions of people, and be provocative about it! Exitrow...don't twist the concept of free speech around. You can say what's on your mind, but burning the Bible is provocative and stupid!


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

Actually marco, it is free speech. His action is protected by the 1st Amendment.


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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7066 times:

For me it's intolerance, prejudice and pure hatred...


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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7064 times:

. As it's a requirement of christianity to go spread the world it's pretty clear that Christianity does not honour the beliefs of others and therefore should not expect others to honour theirs. Obviously this does not relate to every christian, but enough to make it a valid comment.

From all the Christians I've met, only a very few didn't stop trying to convert me when I told them I wasn't interested.
Even the Jehovahs are now getting the message, they promised to remove me from their list of addresses they come knocking after I spoke to them a while back.
The only thing in which Christianity doesn't honour the beliefs of others is that they refuse to accept that their are gods besides theirs, but that is a feature of most of the worlds current religions.
This is quite in contrast to most religions at the time Christianity was founded. The Roman and Greek (and to a lesser degree Egyptian) religions were quite open and would accept gods from other religions that were encountered to become part of their religion if the believers in that god would only accept the Roman/Greek religion in return as at least being valid next to their own.

While there are fanatics in all religions (and yes, atheism is a religion too. These people have a religious belief in the non-existence of gods that is as strong as the belief in his/her god of the strongest believer in any other religion) mostly those people are not accepted by even their own societies as being representative. Societies that not only accept but foster fanaticism like that are fundamentally unhealthy.
This person has obviously crossed the line between being a normal atheist and become a religious fanatic. In the Middle East he would have gone walking into a mosk or synagogue with a few kilos of explosive strapped around his waste, in the US he burns bibles.



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25 ExitRow : Marco, I find the KKK repulsive. But what they say is protected as free speech in America, as it should be. Don't let your own hatred, prejudice and i
26 Lehpron : "Where is this a case of a religious nutcase? Somebody was upset and took a burnt bible off his door. Agreed, he shouldn't have done that because the
27 NormalSpeed : It just goes to show the arrogance of the "intellectuals." I put the term in quotations, because I find it ironic that for all of their all the intell
28 ADG : Charles, My response to your suggestion about taking him out the back and physically assaulting him stands. I understand the feelings his actions invo
29 ADG : Look, I'm not Christian, but does that say its ok for me not to resect their religion? Certainly not. Just cause I disagree with some views of Christi
30 We're Nuts : If he had put a glorified Bible on his door, would it have been disrespectful to the many who don't follow his god?
31 Redngold : Maybe if I got a book of Madalyn Murray O'Hair's writings and burned it, then put it on my door... redngold
32 Post contains images Marco : and here comes Marco, guaranteed to pop his head up if I say anything about religion.... This is a discussion forum, you can always choose not to part
33 Marco : Marco tells me it's highly disrespectful to call the bible a work of fiction, And it is, because you are insulting me, another human being. yet that i
34 ExitRow : Marco: The problems in the world are caused by fanatics, athiests, etc...you can't generalize. fa·nat·ic n. A person marked or motivated by an extre
35 GDB : Sounds like an intense person, (not another 'Trenchcoat Mafia' type I hope). Maybe he's been compulsively watching Swaggart, Falwell etc.....drive any
36 We're Nuts : Running away from my post, Marco? C'mon, answer!
37 Post contains images Marco : Exitrow, A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause. I'd say that's a pretty accurate description of you Marco
38 We're Nuts : What was my flaimbait?? It was an honest question! One which you, as of yet, cannot answer.
39 Marco : Ok, how can you even begin to compare someone trying to tell you about their faith (in your example) to someone blatantly disrespecting another person
40 Tbar220 : ADG, Ok, nobody can force this guy to respect our beliefs. He can disrespect them for all I care. It may upset me, but I suppose he can. But he crosse
41 We're Nuts : Marco, that's a blatant double-standard. Couldn't a lack of faith be a faith itself? You can't respect his right to attack Christianity, but you don't
42 Marco : It's not double standard at all. How is my telling him about Christianity attacking his beliefs? Burning a Bible is not the equivalent of telling some
43 Tbar220 : Marco & We're Nuts, Marco, you should respect his right to atheism, and sadly, he does have a right to free speech. Yet We're Nuts, he shouldn't attac
44 We're Nuts : I didn't say I agreed with him, but I'll die for his right to do it. Marco should too.
45 Tbar220 : You'd die for his right specifically, or more so the bill of rights?
46 We're Nuts : You take away even his right, you might as well take them all away. So, at least in my thinking, you can't have one without the other.
47 Cfalk : Nuts, Then I suppose that you would "die for his right to do it" if he planted a burning cross in front of some black people's houses? There is absolu
48 Tbar220 : Cfalk, I'm not sure if he would be allowed to burn a cross on somebody elses yard. I don't know if that's legal. Just like I don't think he would have
49 Jcs17 : I cant believe people are actually sitting here and defending this guy. Listen, I am probably pretty darn close to being an athiest although I do hold
50 Cfalk : I'm not sure if he would be allowed to burn a cross on somebody elses yard. I don't know if that's legal. Just like I don't think he would have been a
51 ADG : And it is, because you are insulting me, another human being. Incorrect Marco. We cannot be held responsible for what YOU consider insulting. As long
52 Marco : Incorrect Marco. We cannot be held responsible for what YOU consider insulting. As long as the intent was not to insult So what exactly was his intent
53 Post contains images Cfalk : Interestingly, there are precedents for burning books with which a segment of society does not agree with. Nazi Germany in the 1930's, for one. ADG, y
54 Hepkat : Marco, I've been following your opinions with great interest, and thought I would post a few of my own. And it clearly violates the founding principle
55 GDB : Marco, ever considered getting a sense of humour? If you found that little joke so insulting you should maybe lighten up, you'll be a happier person f
56 Hepkat : Apologies, I got my quotes mixed up....should be: ADG: In the same way I tell people I don't like yellow cars because I don't like them, not because i
57 Tbar220 : ADG, Why do I get the feeling that you argue just for the sake of arguing? It's unreal.
58 Tbar220 : ADG, Do you even care that what this guy did offended and hurt so many people? I think it goes beyond people "overreacting" when it was such a widespr
59 Jcs17 : Really? and these people call themselves Christians? Because anyone who would react with violence to that is most definitely not a Christian. I dont
60 ExitRow : I'm a fanatic? If that's what you think so then I don't care. You have never met me and you make such judgements, I hope you're never judged like that
61 ADG : Marco, Your posts are offensive to peaceloving and tolerant Christians. Give me your Postal address and i'll send you a brand new (non burnt) bible as
62 Marco : Hepkat, fail to see how burning a bible violates the founding principles of the USA, persecutes you, denies you free speech or discriminates against y
63 Jcs17 : ADG, are you kidding me? Can you not grasp the concepts that I have put forth? Do you seem to get the concept that I'm not a Christian? I dare you to
64 Post contains images We're Nuts : The country was built on 1)Christian principles, 2)principles that included freedom of religion and freedom from persecution/discrimination based on r
65 Marco : ...the same can be said for you We're nuts. do you think that kind of mentality is fair? No, it's disrespectful.
66 ADG : ADG, are you kidding me? Can you not grasp the concepts that I have put forth? Yes jsc I *grasp* them, I simply don't agree. Do you seem to get the co
67 We're Nuts : ...the same can be said for you We're nuts. do you think that kind of mentality is fair? No, it's disrespectful. I don't know why you say that. I have
68 Jcs17 : No you don't jcs, you believe that the CHRISITIAN beliefs should be respected. My point, which you have not managed to grasp is that the young bloke
69 ADG : Where in my previous posts did I say that his beliefs werent important? What I did say is that he chose a highly inappropiate and offensive avenue to
70 Jcs17 : ADG, youre not even worth arguing with at this point. Your posts are total egocentric and self-centered on your desires, not considering the people th
71 SAS23 : Religion is the biggest cause of war and human suffering. Considering that all religions preach peace, love and equality, it is truly sad that people
72 Post contains images Cfalk : ADG, It is clear that you have absolutely no respect for others, especially those who might believe differently than you. And you have the gall to say
73 ADG : What a lovely rant jsc .. i'm not sure how you drew that conclussion but as always I respect the right to your opinion even if it is one of the most r
74 Marco : ADG, And your posts filled with peace and love are certainly a shining light to the whole world. I don't need them to be Marco, because I don't try an
75 We're Nuts : There is a law against discrimination/intolerance/hatred/etc. And none of these were violated! Discrimination is a very specific crime. If I say that
76 Marco : We're nuts, And none of these were violated! Discrimination is a very specific crime. If I say that I hate all black people, I have exercised free-spe
77 174thfwff : I love how some people make atheists look like we are all ignorant idiots. I'm an atheist. I respect Jesus. He was an AMAZING philosopher. I follow hi
78 Tbar220 : 174, Ok, as an atheist, what do you think about what this guy did? Was he justified in doing this?
79 174thfwff : You want my honest opinion? First of all, atheists are not a group of people...We are just individuals being called the same title. I do not attend an
80 Cfalk : and this coming from the man who advocated taking the youngster outside and phsyically assaulting him? You'll excuse me if I ignore your opinion becau
81 Post contains images ADG : Also, I don't sell myself as a "god". I'm just as human as you are, but I won;t change my beliefs to accomadate you. We can argue till the next millen
82 Post contains images ADG : I love how ADG is so powerless against my arguments that she tosses them back I love how you manage to get this out of what I said .. my response to y
83 Cfalk : ADG, OK, let's play it your way. Forget about beating him up. Would you agree that the kid needs repremanded/punished (in any way, socially or crimina
84 Post contains images KLAX : This is Hilarious. ADG, (VH-PoD) Personally, because I am not very religious, actually more atheist leaning myself, I don't think I would have been of
85 Tbar220 : Hey people, what about the letter he wrote too? The burnt bible was bad, but that letter was just down right insulting.
86 Post contains images Lehpron : So what Tbar220. Should the letter be taken down too? It's a freakin sheet of paper, it is not holy that's for sure. Yeah, the truth hurts, can't you
87 Jcs17 : I concur Tbar, the letter was not too pleasant...in fact, part of the reason why I would want to put dent in the kid's grill is because he wrote, "the
88 ADG : OK, let's play it your way. Forget about beating him up. Would you agree that the kid needs repremanded/punished (in any way, socially or criminally)
89 Tbar220 : Lehpron, Of course not, the letter should not have been taken down, nor should his bible have been taken down. YET, they should not have been put up i
90 Tbar220 : Lehpron, I made a mistake in my post above. The letter wasn't taken down, its still up on his door.
91 Hepkat : From what I've read, this guy has done nothing to deserve punishment. He burned HIS own Bible and posted it along with HIS own letter on HIS own door.
92 Marco : KLAX, Good post and that was a great analogy, of course ADG has managed to come up with some even weaker arguments. She obviously was not taught to re
93 Hepkat : I think a time out here would be a good idea. Marco I don't care why he did it. It's hatred, period. ... He's being intolerant towards a certain group
94 Marco : Hepkat, there's no need for a time out. There is no law against hatred in the U.S. Marco. This is actually a founding tenet of our democracy, that eve
95 ExitRow : --------------------- What Would Jesus Do? ---------------------
96 174thfwff : Jesus would treat him the way he would like to be treated. That or have a beer. -174thfwff
97 ADG : Jesus would have done nothing. Simply passed on by with a feeling of disappointment. Tbar, I do not disagree that this young man has to resolve a few
98 Marco : You are doing nothing but repost exactly what you posted days ago. Why should I bother to sit down and type a response to you when you do nothing but
99 ADG : Just to keep you happy Marco: She obviously was not taught to respect others! And in this response we see the example of your lack of respect. And you
100 Tbar220 : Hepkat, I think we've quite well understood that this man had the right to do what he did, but rather I think the question I post here is was he justi
101 KLAX : Marco, as much as this guy wasn't nice to do what he did, I agree with Hepkat because he obviously DID NOT BREAK THE LAW. Or else he wood be in jail (
102 Hepkat : I think we've quite well understood that this man had the right to do what he did, but rather I think the question I post here is was he justified? Wa
103 Cfalk : Just because it is not against the law does not mean that his act was defendable. My dog can legally shit in my living room, but that does not mean I
104 Post contains images Marco : ADG, Just to keep you happy Marco: She obviously was not taught to respect others! And in this response we see the example of your lack of respect. No
105 ExitRow : In fact if I hadn't seen your profile I would thought you were probably a kid, because of your dumb replies. Gosh Marco. That's so disrespectful and u
106 Avt007 : OK, I finally had to check this post because it was so long. I certainly didn't read every post, I can listen to my own kids argue if I want. I am que
107 Post contains images ADG : Tbar, The answer to your question is quite simple. Did he go to far In terms of other athiests - No In terms of the law - No In terms of Christianity
108 Marco : Exitrow when you have something valuable to say I'll be waiting over here! ADG, As an athiest I know more about the bible than Marco does. This is how
109 ADG : This is how you lose credibility ADG. How would you know that? How can you make a statement like that? You haven't even met me! I don't need to meet
110 Cfalk : Actually Charles, the dormitory is also HIS home and therefore as you said above .. it is his right to do that in his own home. So what you are saying
111 ADG : So what you are saying is that the opinions of others are meaningless . Charles you said he had a right to do what he wanted in his own home, this is
112 Jayce : There seem to be an awful lot of people that want to pee on him. While I respect his right to have his own beliefs, that should stay inside his dorm.
113 Cfalk : Charles you said he had a right to do what he wanted in his own home, this is his own home. It is also the home of other people. When you live with ot
114 Marco : ADG, You always rise to the defense of Muslims on this forum, just like you did in your last post. You would never do the same for Christianity. I don
115 Cfalk : ADG, One more example of what mutual respect is, and the responsibilities it entails. Let's say you invite a Muslim to dinner. Your favorite dish, and
116 Post contains images ADG : Charles, If I invited said mulsim I would cater to said muslims culinary requirement, if said muslim drops in unannounced he'd eat pork or nothing. Bu
117 Cfalk : If I invited said mulsim I would cater to said muslims culinary requirement OK, that's promising. Now, if you had an disagreement with him, would you
118 Lehpron : Showing disrespect or not immediately respecting others does not imply intolerant behavior. I noticed these words come up so I found their definitions
119 Post contains images ADG : OK, that's promising. Promising Charles? Common sense. Now, if you had an disagreement with him, would you toss something into the fireplace which you
120 Post contains images Marco : ADG, Marco, As usual you have totally missed the point ... go re-read my post, it was very specific. ADG that's MY criticism of you. I'm answering you
121 777kicksass : That guy is good, he can write everything i wish i could convey into words, but can't. Leave him alone, he's a smart guy.
122 Scorpio : Hmmm... Crazy thread... Just let me get back to the original subject. IMHO, two questions need to be asked, i.e. 1) Was what this person did illegal?
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