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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 958 times:

Hello,

In my travels throughout England, Ive noticed that there are cars here made by Vauxhall with the names of "Cavalier" and "Nova"...back in North America Chevrolet made or makes a "Cavalier" and a "Nova"...I was just wondering if there was any connection?

Thanks,
Greg


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User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 951 times:

If i'm not mistaken vauxhall is the same make as Opel but it's just called vauxhall in the UK. Correct me if i'm wrong.

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 943 times:

Vauxhall is the British car business of America's General Motors.

Some Vauxhall cars are also found in the badges of Opel (GM Europe), Holden (GM Oz/Kiwi), and GM's US brands.

TNNH


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 942 times:

Actually the only difference between Vauxhauls and Opels, are that Vauxhauls have the steering wheel on the right vs. the left. Their product lines as far as I can tell are virtually identical, save for the random trim difference. Holden, the Austrailian subsidiary, shares some stuff with Opel... but has a lot of its own unique product. A lot of it also digging deep into the North American parts bin.

But the Cavaliers, Novas and Citations are fairly old products. The current lineup includes the mini-car the Corsa, compact Astra, mid-sized Vectra (a very stylish new model is out this year. It shares the new Epsilon platform with the Saab 9-3 and eventually the Malibu and Grand Am). Then the full-sized, rear-drive Omega. The Omega originally came to the US virtually unchanged as the Cadilac Catera. I always thought it was a nice looking car. But the Omega remains the platform basis for the current CTS. There is also the Zafria, which is a mini-minivan... which seem to be quite popular in Europe these days. And there used to be the Sintra... which I cannot seem to find in the current model line. Which was the full-sized minivan that was an indentical twin to the Chevy Venture.



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6544 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

General Motors or GM uses different brands on different markets, and to some extent car types. Some of the brands are:
Wauxhall (Britain)
Opel (Germany)
Holden (Australia)
Bedford (Britain)
Chevolet (US)
Cadilac (US)
and there are more.

GM simply bought minor car manufacturers all over and let them produce GM cars with the old name on them. Wauxhall was originally a famous British car manufacturer. Adam Opel AG was originally a very famous German sewing machine manufacturer which almost broke its neck on switching to cars, and consequently was cheaply for sale to GM.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 926 times:

The Astra, the Corsa and within a couple of months the Vectra are sold in Mexico as Chevrolets.


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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 920 times:

Selling the same cars under different labels just sucks. And GM has done a fabolous job by turning a healthy company like Opel once was into a patient in intensive care. Europe is not America, but the GM guys haven't realized that yet (Well, maybe by now they have if they check the selling rates of all those american-looking cars like the Omega).

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 912 times:

what are you saying, Opels don't sell well in Europe? I thought, as compared to Ford of Europe, GM's European business was actually quite healthy.

GM also owns Saab and has a minority interest in Fiat, however a put option coming due next year could change that.

TNNH


User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 910 times:

The General Motors Boat is heading for an iceberg because of Fiat. Fiat is dragging the entire company into the crapper. GM will most likely dump them soon.


N/A
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 882 times:

TNNH:

2001 revenues (2000 revenues):
Ford Germany: 16,3 Billion € (13,1)
Opel Germany: 16,0 Billion € (17,1)

2002 looks even worse for Opel, selling rates of the cars -20%.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6544 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 873 times:

Opel in Europe is considered in quite deep trouble at the moment.

It is probably a little unfair. I think that their products are OK today since a lot of improvements have been carried out.

But in the late 90'es they had serious quality problems, mainly electrical and paint- / rust problems. The latter is especially serious in Northern European climate. Rust wasn't all that bad compared to older days, but the main competitors had improved a lot while Opel kept on sleeping.

A lot of people who bought a new Opel 3 - 4 - 5 years ago are potential customers for a new one today. They experienced too many problems with their old car, and now they see that they get less money for the old one. That makes many old customers consider a change. Add to that the general slump in especially German economy at the moment, and...

I haven't seen an Opel from the inside since 1999 when I rented a brand new Astra wagon in Madrid, Spain. It was a perfect car. Except that every day a new warning indicator would flash, ABS, air bags, even oil with perfect oil level. And the engine control would jump in and out of emergency program all the time. With all these blinking lights we called it "the slot machine".

I put black tape over all these indicators and instructed my friends to remember to remind me to remove it before we turned the car in again at Madrid Airport. Do you know if we forgot? Of course we did.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 868 times:

Prebennorholm, you can hardly blame the economy, as the other German car manufacturers are doing quite well. One of Opel's problems is that their cars look so boring. While the other manufacturers continously create great or at least stylish-looking (referring to the 7er BMW-design, which is loved by one half and hated by the other half of the people, but it surely doesn't look boring) cars, Opel totally lacks of innovations.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 867 times:

Opel doesn't have a modern image. Their cars are viewed as being poor performers, with mediocre quality.
Your average 25-40 year old doesn't want to be seen in one by his colleagues driving VWs, Fords and BMWs.

Then some years ago they had a major blunder when the locks on the Vectra series turned out to be insanely easy to crack (despite having been promoted as being all but impossible to break into) which gave them very bad PR that many people have not forgotten.

Personally, the brand doesn't even feature on my list of brands I consider when looking for a car despite the fact that I do look in the price range they produce.
I'd rather buy a Hyunday or Toyota.



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6544 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 861 times:

Daer Racko, you are right, the slump in German economy is not the main reason for Opel's sales problems. The fact that the competitors perform from "not too bad" to "quite well" proves that.

But anyway, Opel would have had an easier time if German economy had been booming instead. And people had had to wait for months for the most attractive products from the competitors.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 857 times:

Vauxhall has actually been a GM subsidiary for a hell of a long time - pre-war if I remember rightly. But it was only from about 1980 that they simply became rebadged Opels; prior to that they had their own products.


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User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 849 times:

I once saw a Vauxhall SUV on a British T.V. show wich looked exactly like an Izuzu Trooper, the only difference is it said "Vauxhall" on the front. What's up with that?


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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 842 times:

"Chevolet (US)
Cadilac (US)"

Chevrolet and Cadillac you mean?

Racko: The new BMW 7 series has a Daewoo back....i dont know how anyone could like it......the older 7 series is much nicer


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 840 times:

LOT, well there are enough people who actually buy it and I don't think that it looks bad. The front with orange turning lights looks bad (eyebrows), with white ones it's ok.

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 838 times:

Thanks for the clarification...it makes sense now...

Greg



Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 836 times:

GD727:

GM has a signicant ownership interest in Isuzu, so they shuffle cars and brands around to meet market need.

TNNH


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 835 times:

Also, for anyone criticizing GM for ruining Adam Opel AG and/or Vauxhall, know that GM has owned both for over 70 years.

TNNH


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