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IDF Kills 2 Kids + 2 Old Women In Shelling  
User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Those brave members of the IDF have been at it again, killing two children aged four and twelve and two elderly women. They claim that they came under fire from the buildings, yet no damage was caused to any of their armoured vehicles or casualties to their troops.

Yet again, there will be relatives of those murdered by the Israelis who will feel that they have nothing more to lose ... and will retaliate by becoming suicide bombers.

When will these people learn?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/18/wmid18.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/10/18/ixnewstop.html

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User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

Learn what?

...that blowing yourself up in a market full of civilians isn't going to do any good at all...

Staffan


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

Sounds like more flamebait from SAS23, the napalm king of these forums.

You're right Staffan. Maybe someone will learn that but it's unlikely. At least there are now 2 less potential suicide bombers...
Sad if civillians get killed in combat, but that's the nature of warfare. Collateral damage cannot always be avoided, especially in an urban environment.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

At least there are now 2 less potential suicide bombers...

Gee, sounds like flamebait to me Jwenting, the napalm prince of these forums.




VH-ADG


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1102 times:

Relax, I'm sure some noble Muslim holy warrior will drive a carfull of explosives into a pizzeria filled with teenagers in Latvia or Ecuador or somewhere to avenge them.

After all, we're all infidels aren't we?


User currently offlineKolobokman From Russia, joined Oct 2000, 1180 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1097 times:

Why do Latvians like me ( :] )- have to suffer for IDF actions?

Will I mind if this will be pizeria in Israel? Guess!




I can neither confirm, nor deny above post
User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

When will these people learn?

SAS23, this is a very good question. When will these people learn that when you open fire including an anti-tank missile which hit one of its (Israeli) armoured vehicles (from the article) they will be shot back?

When will these people learn that as long as they continue to surround themselves with civilians while they are firing, they will get them killed?

When will these people learn?

Lets check one more thing.
You said: yet no damage was caused to any of their armoured vehicles
and the article that YOU gave said: including an anti-tank missile which hit one of its armoured vehicles

Do you have reading understanding problems?

Do you think the soldiers should wait until they get killed or injured to fire back? I don’t. They have the right to protect themselves when they are under attack.




Long live the B747
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1085 times:

More completely one-sided rhetoric from SAS23.

Tell me something SAS23, did you have a family member killed by the IDF, or something of that nature? Hate is one thing, we all have it, but you just take it to extreme levels.


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1082 times:

To SAS23, all Palestinians are old women and children.  Yeah sure

Maybe if the "civilians" would stop providing support for the terrorists, they wouldn't get killed. SAS, to answer your question. It will only stop when the Palestinian people are tired of it and dispose of the leadership of the terrorists organizations. However, that isn't going to happen. So as long as they continue to provide support to the explosion crazy terrorists, they are legit targets.



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

NO more suicide attacks by the Palestinians would give Israel absolutley NO reason to go into Palestinians territories in search of terrorists, unfortunatley and stupidly killing civilians.

Stop terror, and everything stops.

-Clovis


User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1072 times:

here is an excerpt from the Article that SS23 posted "The Israeli army killed six people, including two children and two elderly women, when tanks shelled houses in Rafah in the Gaza Strip yesterday. The army said it was responding to fire from the buildings, including an anti-tank missile which hit one of its armoured vehicles without causing serious damage."
do you see were it says "the army was responding to fire from the buildings, including an anti-tank missle which hit one of the armoured vehicles" hmmmm i guess SS23 has selective reading abilities.



"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1044 times:

What a disgrace! Last time those 14 were ticketed for jaywalking according to a anti-palestinian. What where they ticketed for this time?

Legit targets B757300?
Each civilian killed is a murder, wether it was done by the Israellis or the palestinians. In this case the Isreallis are the murderers.



SUPPORT THE LEBANESE CIVILIANS
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1045 times:

Manni,

What's the tank supposed to do after it gets hit by an anti-tank missile? Its a sticky situation, it cant not fight back, but when it does, it risks killing civilians, which in this case it did.



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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1036 times:

"Civillians"? "Military"?

Arab suicide bombers destroyed the difference between those two words a long time ago.


User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1022 times:

How many civilians live in Israel when for all of them the military service is compulsory????

And here on this thread the talk is about kids and women killed on purpose by some of your "innocent civilians" which happened to be armed and in uniform, while are pledging your full full support by saying things you are saying. Say that you support it, or say that this is not IN ANY WAY differnent than the suicide bombings, I'd say its WORSE. Reason to some dumbheads who would ask WHY??, this was an ORGANISED ARMY with the FULL authority of a country and its government.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1022 times:

Bravo45 - Taken from Galaxy5's post.

The army said it was responding to fire from the buildings, including an anti-tank missile which hit one of its armoured vehicles without causing serious damage."

Having spent time in the military myself, firing on an Army, makes you a target.


User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

They claim that they came under fire from the buildings, yet no damage was caused to any of their armoured vehicles or casualties to their troops.

This is what they CLAIM. They do claim that they are being "terrorized" by those "evil kids". Do they claim that it were these kids and women that opened fire on them????


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

Bravo45, read the friggin' article

"The army said it was responding to fire from the buildings, including an anti-tank missile which hit one of its armoured vehicles without causing serious damage."

It did cause damage and they were fired upon apparently from those buildings and therefore they were right to return fire. That's how armies work; someone shoots them, they shoot back. The blame should be placed on the heads of the extremists who are using civilians as cover and i'm sure they know action that put civilians in the line of fire create stories with half-truths that can make people sympathetic to their cause.


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 996 times:

To B757300,

and all Israelis are civilians.....

What's your point?


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 995 times:

Klax

NO more suicide attacks by the Palestinians would give Israel absolutley NO reason to go into Palestinians territories in search of terrorists, unfortunatley and stupidly killing civilians.

Whilst this statement is essentially true....

Stop terror, and everything stops.

This one is not .. the occupation and annexing of more of the land of Palestine by the new jewish settlers would continue and most likely accellerate. israel has shown no indication that it is willing to force the illegal settlers to leave.

I'd like to see an end to the violence, but action is needed on both sides.

By the way, it's not "accidental" killing of civilians, it's negligent killing which is completely different.





VH-ADG


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 983 times:

I would like to see the land that Arafat was offered a few years ago by Burak(sp?).Would clear up a few things in here.

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 962 times:

You people don't think this - but I'm saddened and upset when innocent Palestinians are killed in this bitter unending battle. This was not good news.

TNNH


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 957 times:

This was not good news.

Never is


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