Lan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6 Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1308 times:
I apologise for my english if it is too bad...
I have visited the USA four times during my short life, and I have noticed that some citizens from other countries do not pay for a Visa, and must fill a green card. I have done it, although I was born and live in Chile, I have the double citizenship: Chilean and Italian. When I leave Chile, I show my chilean passport and when I enter the US I show my italian passport, so I don't have to pay for the Visa, that is quite expensive.
I know americans can do whatever they want when it is about who they let get into their country, but....why do SOME countries have the right to use the visa waiver?
If I don't make a mistake, those countries are: Andorra,Belgium,Canada,France,Italy,Ireland,UK,Germany,Austria,Switzerland,Liechstenstein,San Marino,Monaco,Sweden,Norway,Denmark,Iceland,Finland,The Netherlands,Portugal,Slovenia,Spain,Luxembourg,Brunei,Uruguay and Argentina.
I remark the 2 last ones, Argentina and Uruguay. Why should chileans pay for a Visa and argentineans/uruguayans shouldn't? What makes them more trustworthy than us? Which is the criteria used for the selection of the countries?
I remark that I am not arguing, I am just curious and would be thankful to know the reason.
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1295 times:
Hola Lan Fanatic -
First let me correct a little detail - Argentina citizens are no longer on the list. Since FEB earlier this year, Argentina citizens require the tourist visa for USA. The Uruguayos are the only ones from So America who can visit the USA for 90 days with a I-94W visa waiver...
Notice that the countries which are listed are countries from which very few nationals come to the USA with the purpose to attempt to stay illegally. It is obvious that a... Dutch citizen, will leave his prosperous nation, to come to work in USA and attempt to stay... he probably has better living conditions where he came from... US Immigration look at statistics... to establish a list.
Argentina lost that status of visa waiver, since since about a year, everyone wants to bail-out of Argentina with the 25% unemployment, and 50% people living under poverty level... In Buenos Aires, the lines are long in front of the Italian Embassy, to try to get an Italian passport, since many Argentinos are from Italian origin... same at the Spanish Embassy... I personally know some 10 Argentinos who went to USA last year around Xmas time (no visa) for a 90 days stay... when they heard about the change - they decided to stay illegally in the USA, and what I heard the Immigration is so overwhelmed by the number of illegals, that they are very unlikely ever to get in troubles.
Congratulations for Chile - your nation is now back to a better economy and political regime. Maybe soon, Chilenos will be on the list of I-94W countries... Look at me (ha ha) I was an American, who decided to live in Argentina some 10 years ago, when everything was superb here in Buenos Aires... and I took Argentina citizenship... Now I need a visa to visit my country of birth... But that is fine for me, as an American, I would need a visa to visit Brasil, while I can now visit Brasil as much as I want... a much better deal...
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
The VWPP countries are :
Andorra, Austria, Australia, Belgium, Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, The United Kingdom, and Uruguay.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1265 times:
Canada is not a VWPP country. The VWPP applies ONLY to B1 and B2 category nonimmigrants while all other classes of nonimmigrants from those listed countries still require visas. Canada is unique (as are Canadian landed immigrants from Commonwealth Countries as well as British Overseas Citizens resident in Bermuda) that they require no visa for ANY category of non-immigrant to enter the United States, except for the new TN category NAFTA visa.
Technically, the VWPP countries do REQUIRE a visa, but that requirement is waived. Canada doesn't require a visa in the first place, so is a different ballgame.
As for the diversity lottery, it is not open to those BORN in the following countries, regardless of citizenship :
CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland), and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.
Docpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1955 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1258 times:
you seem really well versed in this...... you're probably more well versed in this than some immigration officers. (eg those who insisted to me that Singapore was not on the Visa Waiver program and demanded for it, but i think that's more common when you land in an airport that is not frequented by Singaporeans.)
Rai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1250 times:
Sean: Are you sure about the diversity lottery? A family friend from Canada got his green card through the diversity lottery and fairly recently too. Now, why are some of those countries not eligible for the diversity lottery? Is it because they are already in the U.S. in great numbers?
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1251 times:
Rai, I am absolutely positive about the diversity lottery.
As I stressed, the lottery only depends upon PLACE OF BIRTH, not CITIZENSHIP. So if your Canadian friend happened to have been born in say Germany, he'd be eligible for the lottery even as a Canadian citizen and Canadian resident.
A country becomes ineligible for the diversity lottery when citizens from those countries (note that the qualifying factor is citizenship, but the disqualifying factor is birth) are issued >50,000 Immigrant visas in the preceding calendar year.
Lan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1191 times:
I have another question...
What do you think about the questions that appear in the green card? Don't you find them quite silly? Even if I was intended to make terrorist attacks in the US I would never be so idiot to answer "yes, my plans are to make a bomb explode"
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
Yep, I have British Citizenship, but have applied to the US Visa Lottery...more out of fun than an urgent desire to want to live in the US, although of course the main idea is to leave the UK, as I don't like it here.
I was born in Brazil, so that's how I qualified. I think I could have still qualified on other measures (mother born in Argentina, father in Uganda), but didn't need them.
The US's Visa requirements are pretty straight forward and logical compared to some other countries I can think of!